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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:29 PM Aug 2015

With the FBI Investigating Clinton's Emails, Bernie Sanders Should Be the Democratic Frontrunner

With the FBI Investigating Clinton's Emails, Bernie Sanders Should Be Considered the Democratic Frontrunner
08/21/2015 * HuffPo * H.A. Goodman

Last year, if someone told you that by August of 2015, a poll would show Bernie Sanders ahead of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, what would you say? Six months ago, if you were told that Bernie Sanders would draw over 100,000 people at events across the country, how would you react?

The truth is that Bernie Sanders is long past the viewpoint that he's unelectable or "too liberal." Without serious interest from mainstream media, and without billions in campaign funding, the Vermont Senator has been able to generate a nationwide groundswell of enthusiasm. Money can't buy enthusiasm, and money certainly can't buy a person's trust -- Sanders has an abundance of both.

Since Bernie Sanders is sincere and known for his direct and forthright communication style, he won't have to spend any dollars convincing Americans that he's trustworthy. Sanders, unlike others, can simply remind people that he voted against the Iraq War, voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, fought hard against Keystone XL and the TPP, and favors breaking up "too big to fail" banks.

Up until now, the view that Hillary Clinton is the Democratic frontrunner was bolstered by an ever-dwindling poll among Democratic voters between the former Secretary of State and the Vermont Senator. However, with major polls today showing Sanders challenging or defeating Clinton and Republican, conventional wisdom has allowed the possibility of Clinton possibly losing a second run at the presidency. Furthermore, the momentum generated by the Sanders campaign is genuine and will only increase (among all demographics) with greater name recognition across the country.

Most importantly, Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat gaining attention nationwide who isn't linked to an FBI investigation. Why some Democrats still continue to believe a candidate can win the White House with the Justice Department, FBI, and other intelligence agencies investigating this candidate's email practices, seems to overlook one obvious fact. Nobody has ever won the White House with an ongoing FBI and Justice Department investigation, and it doesn't seem that the FBI or Justice Department will cease investigating Clinton's email saga by Election Day; 444 days away.

In reality, the real frontrunner within the race for Democratic nominee is the candidate gaining momentum every single day, without overwhelming media coverage. Bernie Sanders is in reality the likely choice for Democratic nominee, since his competition is linked to an ongoing FBI investigation. Statisticians and pundits can serve as naysayers, but the reality is that Hillary Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders is constantly dwindling, and yet Clinton's email saga is just beginning. For these reasons and more, the realistic choice for Democratic nominee is the Vermont Senator, not the former Secretary of State who is now under scrutiny from various government agencies.

Fabricated or real, the scandal exists, and nobody can win the White House with the FBI as a running mate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-should-be-considered-the-democratic-frontrunner_b_8019264.html
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With the FBI Investigating Clinton's Emails, Bernie Sanders Should Be the Democratic Frontrunner (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP
There's H.A. Goodman again. Are we sure he isn't working for the Sanders campaign? Metric System Aug 2015 #1
I don't think Bernie needs to hire journalists to state the obvious 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #3
I just looked over his articles... riversedge Aug 2015 #7
Sure do praise up Sanders--and diss Hillary. left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #13
More likely working for the GOP. Like some folks indirectly are at DU. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #69
Who are the "some folks" at DU? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #81
Take a deep breath........there are agents provocateur at DU. We all know that, was my point. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #87
"Fabricated or real"? So even a completely fake scandal should be enough to doom HRC? pnwmom Aug 2015 #2
LOL... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #6
They accused President Obama of having communist connections. pnwmom Aug 2015 #9
and how did that work out for them? frylock Aug 2015 #30
It didn't work. Partly because Obama didn't label himself a socialist, pnwmom Aug 2015 #34
By all appearances, Sanders is building a new coalition.. frylock Aug 2015 #40
He should be okay pnwmom Aug 2015 #42
reward a lie by dumping her. brilliant. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #14
What lie? Hillary is not under FBI investigation? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #21
They have said she isn't a target of the investigation. pnwmom Aug 2015 #43
NO, she is NOT. The FBI is looking into her sever security. riversedge Aug 2015 #58
Because there is nothing else that Hillary can be attacked with? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #27
GOP doesn't need a Sanders scandal lobodons Aug 2015 #29
vermont is conservative wendylaroux Aug 2015 #50
Fact is he is not the Democratic Frontrunner, maybe there are reasons why he isn't. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #4
They want to reserve the status quo left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #12
Status quo as in no advances and nothing accomplished, I got, no they want someone they Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #16
"...they want someone they know will work." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #22
Ann Richards was a trailblazer Aerows Aug 2015 #74
Yes Ann Richards won in Texas, it has been said by many Hillary can not win, time will tell. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #88
I have massive respect Aerows Aug 2015 #93
Maybe Hillary and the other politicians share the same Donors who would not like to see a politician Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #36
It would be more reasonable Bernie has not worked with others. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #45
The fact that Bernie has not worked with others is what voters like about him. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #83
Is this a contest of the campaign decisions? I don't think it is. This are the same Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #89
Probably because Congress is full of crooks John Poet Aug 2015 #90
Are you calling Bernie a crook? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #91
I am a Bernie fan, however, pennylane100 Aug 2015 #5
Yes, they are both good people. And Bernie Sanders never attacks Hillary. pnwmom Aug 2015 #10
Says a person AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #18
Lol, so true. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #25
Not true. You have me confused with someone else. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #44
It's late Aerows Aug 2015 #76
Go ahead, see what you find. And get hidden for calling out another DUer. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #80
You know Aerows Aug 2015 #94
Neither am I. You might want to reread this thread and figure out who initiated this. pnwmom Aug 2015 #95
If I mention that Aerows Aug 2015 #96
Bingo. n/t Aerows Aug 2015 #75
+1 840high Aug 2015 #79
I partially agree 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #11
Well said..... KoKo Aug 2015 #19
That is true too. I don't think she is actually in that much trouble, but it looks bad for her. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #85
I agree. I expect some new laws to be drawn up to fix the rules about e-mail accounts. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #84
H.A.Goodman,the Unskewed Polls guy of 2016.nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #8
Get back to me after Hillary starts campaigning in the Fall.....which was always the plan brooklynite Aug 2015 #15
She started campaigning April 12th AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #20
No, she launched her campaign in April... brooklynite Aug 2015 #24
So she will wait til Bernie catches up to her? AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #33
Labor Day is in two weeks...and Bernie's still about 28 points behind. brooklynite Aug 2015 #35
Labor day is in the SUMMER AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #39
It can change in a hurry short circuit Aug 2015 #54
I think the Huffpo/Pollster chart is excellent... brooklynite Aug 2015 #60
She has been campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #86
She started campaigning for President in 2001. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #28
Or was it ........ left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #55
You don't introduce new products in August frylock Aug 2015 #32
Kicked off on April 12th short circuit Aug 2015 #53
She will be dogged by this forever. SoapBox Aug 2015 #17
It is a little early for this, Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #23
Colin Powell used private email too.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #26
That implies Hillary supporters would be defecting Gman Aug 2015 #31
You wish 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #38
Sanders has a problem with non-whites Gman Aug 2015 #57
We'll see what we will see. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #65
For all the chatter and horse race handicapping going on Gman Aug 2015 #66
+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #68
Have you seen this graph? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #46
Really not enough to amount to a hill of beans Gman Aug 2015 #56
Yet he's not. And she hasn't even started campaigning yet. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #37
That's just silly. Hillary's been campaigning since at least 2008. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #41
"Fabricated or real, the scandal exists" DanTex Aug 2015 #47
That's a mighty broad brush you're slinging around there Tex. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #48
The fringe left/right paints itself, with statements like H.A. Goodman's. DanTex Aug 2015 #49
The subject and entire context of the article was about Hillary's electability 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #52
Vote for Hillary: She's currently not under FBI Investigation tularetom Aug 2015 #51
Lol! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #59
It would help a lot if... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #61
And yet he's still polling significantly behind her mythology Aug 2015 #62
Yeah, I want Bernie to win, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #64
Although about 40% said in the lastest Quinnipiac poll said they do not know enough about him ... slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #73
Should be...the magic words GitRDun Aug 2015 #63
Bernie's making headway, steadily, surely. He knows what's up 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #70
Hope so... GitRDun Aug 2015 #71
agreed. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #72
Wow! Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #67
Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #77
I like your logic and consistency 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #78
clearly some people in the party are scrambling to find a popular alternative to Hillary, right now. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #82
LOL - nice one nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #92
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
3. I don't think Bernie needs to hire journalists to state the obvious
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:48 PM
Aug 2015

But there are wall-to-wall talking heads on M$M actively ignoring Bernie 24/7,
while pumping up Trump. and waiting breathlessly for Biden to announce.

On one occasion, there were 3 talking suits, reporting on the Clinton email
thing, then speculating that Hillary might drop out, then literally looking around
the studio, saying "Gee, well then, who else is there?", like Bernie didn't exist.



left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
13. Sure do praise up Sanders--and diss Hillary.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:33 PM
Aug 2015

He just states the facts.
Not his fault HC's stuck in the mud of her own making.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
81. Who are the "some folks" at DU?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:18 AM
Aug 2015

Please name them. The innuendo is quite inappropriate. It is a sort of conspiracy theory about Bernie supporters. I have seen no evidence that any of the Benrie supporters on DU are Republicans although some Republicans outside of DU have shown interest in Bernie.

Are you thinking of the independent voters, new voters and traditional Democrats, many of whom became disillusioned with the Third Way mentality, lost faith and stopped voting and are now ready to vote again for Bernie? Because to the extent they might have been Republicans at some point, they certainly are not Republicans now if they are considering voting for Bernie. Bernie is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, hardly the Republicans' cup of tea.

I will tell you who likes Bernie Sanders and who is pushing him on DU and elsewhere based on my experience talking to Bernie Sanders supporters.

Lots of young people who feel their economic opportunity is very limited and increasingly so.

Lots of people who work in helping professions: psychologists, social workers, lawyers (not the big firm kinds but lawyers who work on justice issues), Jewish people, people who feed the hungry, visit prisons, old time progressives who, as I explained above, don't like the Third Way Democrats, etc.

Those are the people I have met who are most interested in supporting Bernie.

So please tell me, if you think that Republicans are supporting Bernie on DU, which DUers are you talking about? Please name names.

Because I think that those you are accusing should have the opportunity to clear their names and save their reputations. It is very unfair to make vague accusations about the sincerity and motivations of other DUers unless you have proof that the DUers are acting on behalf of the Republican Party.

Please respond.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
87. Take a deep breath........there are agents provocateur at DU. We all know that, was my point.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:18 AM
Aug 2015

It should be the duty of ALL at DU to get to know them and remove them and not encourage them.

And these agents are operating against ALL the Democratic Party candidates.

The massive amounts of CU money available goes a long, long way.

To me that is the main source of the strife...these agents must be well satisfied with their work.

They need to be identified...and, repeat, not encouraged and welcomed and then permanently embedded.

We are all on the same side!

On edit: nice OP explaining this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251539502

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
2. "Fabricated or real"? So even a completely fake scandal should be enough to doom HRC?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

Wait till you see what kind of fake scandal the Rethugs drum up against Sanders, once they view him as a threat.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
9. They accused President Obama of having communist connections.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:10 PM
Aug 2015

And of being a Muslim, not a Christian.

They will have a field day with Bernie Sanders. He's made it clear he doesn't practice any religion, much less Christianity. And he is certain to have more communist/socialist "connections" than Obama.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
34. It didn't work. Partly because Obama didn't label himself a socialist,
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:32 PM
Aug 2015

or even a "Democratic socialist," but did label himself as a Christian.

And partly because Obama had such a strong coalition of Dems, including very high numbers of minority supporters. Unfortunately, many of those supporters didn't come out to vote in the years when Obama wasn't at the top of the ticket.

Whoever is on our ticket is going to need the support of the same coalition that came out for Obama.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
40. By all appearances, Sanders is building a new coalition..
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:06 PM
Aug 2015

and I think Sanders is more than capable of explaining his policy positions to the proletariat in the face of being labeled a SOCIALIST!!12 by the repubs.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
42. He should be okay
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:16 PM
Aug 2015

as long as he, unlike many of his ardent admirers, doesn't get perceived as anti-religion.

Among Democrats, African and Latino Americans are more likely to identify as "highly religious" than non-hispanic white Americans.

I was glad to hear him say something positive about Pope Francis recently. There are plenty of DUers who love to disparage Catholics, but that won't help the party get those swing voters on board.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
43. They have said she isn't a target of the investigation.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

It appears that they are more interested in the senders of the emails than the recipient.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
27. Because there is nothing else that Hillary can be attacked with?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015

Did your unicorn tell you that?


Hillary's campaign can't even handle this email scandal, which is self inflicted and never should have happened. What happens when the Rethugs start their real attacks?

She is a terrible candidate and she is running a terrible campaign. The fact that this email scandal even exists is proof of that.


Here.. have a ready made series of attack ads, courtesy of Hillary Clinton.



I really love that St. Patrick's Day clip when she says "now that's what happened". Get used to that one. The ad will say "When Hillary, tells you something happened you can bet it didn't."

Terrible candidate.





 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
29. GOP doesn't need a Sanders scandal
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:15 PM
Aug 2015

All they need to do is repeat Socialist Socialist Socialist over and over again. They are masters at messaging. Bernie could not withstand that onslaught.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. Fact is he is not the Democratic Frontrunner, maybe there are reasons why he isn't.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:55 PM
Aug 2015

I wonder how Goodman thinks Hillary gets 118 endorsements from the current Congressional members and 15 from former Congressional members and Bernie still has not gotten one endorsement from them. These are people who have worked in Congress with both people, apparently they have confidence in Hillary.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
12. They want to reserve the status quo
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:31 PM
Aug 2015

"I wonder how Goodman thinks Hillary gets 118 endorsements from the current Congressional members
and 15 from former Congressional members"

Hillary's part of the 'good old boys club'.
They want to preserve the status quo.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
93. I have massive respect
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:01 PM
Aug 2015

for Ann Richards. That, my friend, is something you and I will ALWAYS agree upon. She was a great lady and a great leader!



Best thing she ever said, and she said a LOT of things that make good sense.

And this one:

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
36. Maybe Hillary and the other politicians share the same Donors who would not like to see a politician
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:35 PM
Aug 2015

they don't control become POTUS?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. It would be more reasonable Bernie has not worked with others.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:20 PM
Aug 2015

As far as being in the donation numbers why would they want a lesser amount of the donated money to spread it to Hillary? Maybe another reason can be found.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
83. The fact that Bernie has not worked with others is what voters like about him.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:26 AM
Aug 2015

Right now, people are unhappy with the status quo.

Listen to Bernie's speeches and notice on what lines he gets the biggest applause. Then you will know why people are flocking to support Bernie in spite of his lack of support from sitting members of Congress.

People are very unhappy about the fact that our current political "leaders" have done nothing about the Citizens United decision, nothing about the killing of Black kids by police, about student loans and the cost of post-secondary education, about low wages (declining wages, no less), about the lack of appropriate full-time jobs for people, about the lack of paid family leave for new parents, about the disparity in wealth, about less pay for women. . . .

Just listen to his speeches. The people cheer at what he says and you can tell why he is gaining momentum from the lines that draw cheers.

Where are Hillary Clinton's speeches, interviews, etc.?

Why aren't Hillary supporters posting them on DU? I want to know what her supporters are cheering about.

It's kind of a shame that Hillary supporters attack Bernie supporters but don't seem to do a very good job representing what their candidate really stands for.

This is a primary. Where is Hillary? I know she is giving speeches. But what is she saying?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
89. Is this a contest of the campaign decisions? I don't think it is. This are the same
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
Aug 2015

members in Congress who a president will have to work, how is it going to work when Bernie wants bills passed and he does not have a Congress in which he works.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. I am a Bernie fan, however,
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

I think that we must stop this criticizing of his opponents until we know they have actually done something wrong. We must be better than our opponents.

So far, Hillary has not been found guilty of any crimes, and I have a feeling that she never will, in regard to her email account. Another thing to consider is that if she is guilty of using her own email account for work related issues, she will probably be one of many, on both sides of the aisle that did the same thing. So we must then investigate them all so it will not look like a witch hunt on one particular candidate.

I am horrified at how this site has reacted to the contest between two very qualified candidates. Yes, I think Bernie is a better leader for our country but it will not be the end of the world if, after an honest contest between these two people, she manages to win. I, of course hope that does not happen but if we keep this snipping at them both, we may end up with President Dump. Now that is a scary thought.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
10. Yes, they are both good people. And Bernie Sanders never attacks Hillary.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:12 PM
Aug 2015

Some DUers just think they need to do it for him.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
76. It's late
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:30 AM
Aug 2015

Don't make me break out the advanced search, copy your posts and collate them for all to see.

The "fact" you asserted is absurd.

Advanced Search.

No, they didn't fall into the ether, we still can read your posts.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
94. You know
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:28 PM
Aug 2015

I'm really not comfortable with attempts to intimidate me.

If you are implying that you will attempt to get posts that I make hidden, that is *exactly* what intimidation is, and it doesn't reflect well on DU, and it doesn't reflect well on ME if I succumb to your insinuated threats.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
95. Neither am I. You might want to reread this thread and figure out who initiated this.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:37 PM
Aug 2015

Hint. Post 76 is where you first posted to me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
96. If I mention that
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015

you are out of bounds, is that a callout? If I disagree with you, is that a callout?

If you disagree with me, is that a callout?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. I partially agree
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:34 PM
Aug 2015

It's not my intention to be slamming Hillary, but to post OP's -- without comment --
on what's being said 'out there' about how Dem candidates are trending .. or not.

I'm not convinced either that there is much substance to Hillary's email controversy,
yet -- whether or not Clinton did anything wrong -- it's having a deleterious
impact on the viability of her candidacy, which doesn't appear to be going away
before the GE, which makes it even more relevant.

I don't think this ^ subject should be forbidden or off-limits, because to ignore it
as a factor will not bode well for the Democratic nominee -- whoever it is -- winning
the GE.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
85. That is true too. I don't think she is actually in that much trouble, but it looks bad for her.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:31 AM
Aug 2015

An indictment? I doubt it. Bad press coverage. Inevitable.

Bernie doesn't have those kinds of negatives.

He is just Bernie.

I think his colleagues in the Senate are scratching their heads because they can't understand why he has such a big following. I don't think they dislike him or disapprove of him. He just isn't part of their club.

And that is why many of us like him. He is not part of the club that scratches the Republican backs and gets their backs scratched by Republicans in turn.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
84. I agree. I expect some new laws to be drawn up to fix the rules about e-mail accounts.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:29 AM
Aug 2015

I do not expect Hillary to be indicted or anything like that. Could happen, but I don't think it will. I think that issues about our policy in Syria and Libya could cause her problems. That is more likely to me than that there will be problems with her e-mail situation.

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
24. No, she launched her campaign in April...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

Her announced plan has always been the listening tour in the Spring, rolling out policy positions in the Summer, and traditional campaigning starting in the Fall.

 

short circuit

(145 posts)
54. It can change in a hurry
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:36 PM
Aug 2015

See the trendlines at Huffington Post? Or do you consider it a right-wing source since Arianna Huffington is more or less a libertarian?

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
60. I think the Huffpo/Pollster chart is excellent...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015

...it shows that 1) Clinton started out 20 point HIGHER than in 2008, and her drop-off isn't at a concerning pace considering that she isn't actively campaigning. My expectation is that when active campaigning starts, the media focus will be on that and not on the email story.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
86. She has been campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:36 AM
Aug 2015

She attended the Iowa State Fair. Bernie drew a bigger crowd so she did not do a lot of publicity about her appearance. That's my guess. She will probably hold some big events in the Fall.

Bernie is just starting to campaign also. His rallies are one thing. His organization of volunteers is just starting to roll out I think.

I'm volunteering. We are just starting. I'm looking forward to working for Bernie. So are my friends. Lots of social workers, psychologists, people who help others are going to be working for Bernie. It should be an effective campaign. Lots of young people too.

 

short circuit

(145 posts)
53. Kicked off on April 12th
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:34 PM
Aug 2015

then immediately went into anti-press mode. Great way to reflect the frontrunner status when M$M is against Clinton.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
17. She will be dogged by this forever.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

It's NEVER going away...ever.

Hence I believe...Biden. DWS, DNC, Third Wayers need Plan B, as in Biden.

Obviously she and her campaign don't get it...her attitude and the "look" she gets on her face, will drive the Anybody But Her crowd to the polls.

There is Bush Burnout...There is Clinton Burnout...But Hillary Burnout is THE biggest of all.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
23. It is a little early for this,
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

again I will say that we need to get into the debates before we know how this race shapes up.

Bernie does not need to be the frontrunner now. It is still silly season. If he is considered the frontrunner when Americans are sitting around the table and discussing politics on Thanksgiving, he will be in good shape.

We don't want to peak to early.



 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
26. Colin Powell used private email too....
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

It didn't become prohibited until Hillary left and Republicans only passed the law to go after her for something that wasn't even a problem before.

You can't make a law retroactive to prosecute an individual.

Unless the target is a Democrat.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
31. That implies Hillary supporters would be defecting
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

But since Hillary supporters know it's desparate BS, they're sticking with her.

There aren't enough undecideds to put Sanders in the lead. Sanders' support is pretty much maxed.

The author is also highly partial to Sanders. Just more Sanders echo chamber BS.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
38. You wish
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

"There aren't enough undecideds to put Sanders in the lead. Sanders' support is pretty much maxed."

I disagree. While it may appear that way -- esp. if that's what I want to be true -- looking ONLY at #1

1) the undecideds being like 10-12% in polls;

But that's not the only place Bernie's drawing new supporters. It's also from these sectors ....
2) Independents, who are re-registering as Dems,
3) it's new registrations who had given up altogether on politics, and
4) some GOP's changing parties, as well.

When you combine all 4 of these sources, it accounts for why Bernie keeps trending upward and is not even near being 'maxed' yet. who HAS maxed, is the candidate who's been running since 2008, and who has 100% name recognition with voters.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
57. Sanders has a problem with non-whites
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:54 PM
Aug 2015

So that greatly whittled down his max number. He's about there.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
65. We'll see what we will see.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:11 PM
Aug 2015

down the road. There's certainly enough time for Bernie to
close whatever gap is there.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
66. For all the chatter and horse race handicapping going on
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:21 PM
Aug 2015

you'd think the election was November this year. There's an infinite amount of time politically between now and the conventions and the election. Trump could have a stroke. Hillary may just fade or Sanders peak and fade. A ton of stuff can and will happen. It's way too soon to be calling winners.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
46. Have you seen this graph?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:27 PM
Aug 2015
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary



Now tell me again how Hillary supporters are not "defecting" to Bernie. Everyone else is pretty steady as far as their support goes. Hillary and Bernie are the two exceptions. If the trend continues, those lines will meet right around the time of the first debate. That is when this race will start to take shape.


Desparate (SIC) BS, yes... there is defiantly lots of that going around lately.




DanTex

(20,709 posts)
47. "Fabricated or real, the scandal exists"
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:57 PM
Aug 2015

Pretty much sums up the relationship that the fringe left (or fringe right, as the case may be with Rand Paul supporter H.A. Goodman -- sometimes it's hart to tell them apart) has with the truth. It doesn't matter!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
48. That's a mighty broad brush you're slinging around there Tex.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:10 PM
Aug 2015

The entire "fringe Left" --> under the bus with you.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
52. The subject and entire context of the article was about Hillary's electability
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:32 PM
Aug 2015

or lack there of in the GE.

Beyond a certain point, in this context, it won't matter how much fire is under all that smoke,
her campaign still goes up in smoke, leaving the nation with a President Trump, or worse.

Of course it matters, if it's fabricated, in that it really really sucks to have a candidate 'disqualified'
based totally on GOP lies ... in the M$M echo chamber. I agree with you on that.

Once the damage is done, the fact that it "mattered" (however sadly) will not make the scandal
(however baseless) magically disappear or be of no consequence in the election outcome.

If it all goes away next week, fine. But if this drags into the GE still unresolved, not so fine.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
61. It would help a lot if...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:12 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)

HRC supporters would quit conflating a private email account with a private server, and a fake scandal with a FBI investigation.

conflate - transitive verb
1 a : to bring together : fuse
b : confuse
2: to combine (as two readings of a text) into a composite whole

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
62. And yet he's still polling significantly behind her
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:26 PM
Aug 2015

Kind of awkward to the author's point.

It's like how some of the Republican candidates are saying that Trump doesn't reflect real Republican values when he talks about ending citizenship by birth and blasting John McCain for being captured in Vietnam and yet he's clearly ahead in the polls.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
64. Yeah, I want Bernie to win, but
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
Aug 2015

I think 'frontrunner' comes down to current national polling, and not much else.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
73. Although about 40% said in the lastest Quinnipiac poll said they do not know enough about him ...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:15 AM
Aug 2015

Clinton, Trump, Biden are all household names.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2271


Sure seems to me that the Dems want a candidate that is more 'party friendly' or is just the Repubs turn.



GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
63. Should be...the magic words
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:40 PM
Aug 2015

Until he makes some headway with minority groups, he's just another guy in the pack.

Enjoyed the fanfare though...thanks.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
71. Hope so...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:50 PM
Aug 2015

as this campaign develops, we need the party to be competitive with everyone in the D tent.

And not just for the Presidency. The coattails matter. If Bernie can get the energy and motivation he has to push down ballot and thru the whole party, we may yet have something....

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
82. clearly some people in the party are scrambling to find a popular alternative to Hillary, right now.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:21 AM
Aug 2015

Boy, if only we had one!

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