2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHe's toast. Done, cooked and crispy.
It's July...the dog days of summer have arrived. Most of the country is preoccupied with vacation, fires, power outages...not politics. For the Obama campaign to be going after Romney/Bain as hard as they are now means to me that they have many more arrows in their quiver. This is going to be a slow death for Romney and the final stake will go in his heart sometime in October. Romney will be complicit in his political demise because he is a lying lightweight with an incompetent and arrogant campaign staff.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,999 posts)Mitt is that you ?
Raven
(13,889 posts)lastlib
(23,216 posts)"A Wish Sandwich is the kind of a sandwich where you have two slices of bread, and you *WISH*..." you weren't the overcooked weiner between them!
BA-BA-BOW!!
vi5
(13,305 posts)Such a sweet kid.
And by the way, you're right that he is a lying lightweight with an incompetent and arrogant staff. I just think you overestimate the intelligence of the voting public.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Hawaii Hiker
(3,165 posts)and that's his best attribute..
The guy is a skunk, puts Pepe La Pew to shame...
RC
(25,592 posts)To lie, you have to know the truth. To know the truth, you have to have a grip on reality. For people like Mitt, reality is whatever they say it is at the moment.
If the answer to the next question contradicts the answer to the last question, no problem. Both are correct. See, Mitt is incapable of lying.
spinbaby
(15,088 posts)No one should be surprised he lied about Bain.
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What I find most fascinating about the way this has unfolded is that the Obama campaign seems to be counting on the reliability with which he will say things that are not true (whether he has a grip on objective truth or not).
But, yes, I think we all understand that a pathological liar is not "lying" in the sense of willfully and knowingly making false statements. It is a compulsion. They can't help themselves. And they do not have the consciousness of "lying" that someone without a character disorder would otherwise have.
Blue Owl
(50,351 posts)n/t
struggle4progress
(118,280 posts)whopis01
(3,510 posts)It's more like:
Count. Extrapolate. Predict October surprise. Demand a recount. Argue about chickens with hanging chads. Speculate on whether or not they are actually duck eggs. Hatch. Count. Claim this is what you predicted back in January.
struggle4progress
(118,280 posts)before then, it's "let's all work to re-elect Obama"
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)The man has no class.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)during September and October, courtesy of all those Super Pac donors. Fortunately, the obama people aren't going to be caught surprised since it's pretty obvious this is going to be the Romeny strategy. Remember the Swiftboating of Kerry happened later in October and Kerry's campaign couldn't get into gear in time to rebut successfully.
Raven
(13,889 posts)that could come into play during the next few months but I do believe that the Obama campaign is ready for it. I think the basic mistake that the Romney campaign has made is thinking that Democrats will be passive and that the American people are stupid.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)advertising, leading people to be completely turned off of her campaign against Dick Blumenthal in 2010. Of course, the fact that she was the "wrestling lady" and quite a nasty piece of Republican work at that didn't help her and Dick Blumenthal was a very highly regarded state A.G. Now he is our Senator, yaay!
But Linda is back and will be running (paying) for Joe Lieberman's seat, probably against Chris Murphy, now a Congressman and a good guy. But there is real doubt that a person with her background would ever be elected Senator from CT...it wouldn't "do."
Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)They didn't WANT to rebut Bush - that was one of their problems. Kerry was a wimp. He never fought back and never stated the obvious because he was too afraid to - that Bush was a Vietnam draft dodger who was kept out of the War by his rich influential Daddy, while guys like Kerry were the ones who went over there and actually put their lives in danger.
He allowed Rove's strategy to work beautifully against him. They needed to go after Bush's opponent by protecting Bush's greatest vulnerability - his lack of military background and draft dodging. So since Bush was running against a man who HAD been in Vietnam and the military, they need to discredit Kerry so people wouldn't pay attention to Bush's own background.
Kerry allowed himself to fall right into Rove's trap by not fighting back.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)That's nice talk regarding one of the key leaders of our party.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)His campaign lacked a backbone.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)The SuperPACs may have more ads, but the Obama supporters will have more volunteers. It makes me wonder when the Romney office will figure out that they need to pay people to make phone calls. But even if they pay people, a paid person doesn't have the personal touch of a true Obama supporter.
We can do this!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I agree with you that the O-campaign has much more in the quiver. They probably have a weekly attack plan to keep Romney campaign continuosly off balance then save the best for last and blow him away the final few weeks before the election.
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)I'm feeling very positive
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Republicans can be the most dangerous when feeling threatened like a cornered rabid dog. We need to be extremely cautious with these animals.
Wow! nearing 100,000 posts! I salute you!
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)OverseaVisitor
(296 posts)proud patriot
(100,705 posts)(smooch)
OverseaVisitor
(296 posts)I did not remember taking a cane with me during my " cough cough " enforce vacation.
Maybe someone lost a club
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Three of many reasons Rmoney will never be finished.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I wouldn't be so hasty to write a eulogy.... yet.
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)I go back when Bush II was campaigning and we thought no way in hell this clown would ever get elected but look what happened.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)And, before hundreds of thousands of people were improperly purged from the voter rolls. And, before all the voter ID BS...
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And Obama is still black.
Don't count your chickens and never let up on the throttle. This is a battle for our very lives.
We have to act like we're ten points down.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)We all here know about the unenlightend electorate produced by the right wing propaganda machine....given a choice between President Obama and...ANYONE, they will enthusiastically vote against our President
We all here are aware of the election fraud going on perpetrated by the GOP, they are scrubbing millions of us Dems off the voter rolls.
We are well aware of what happened in Wisconsin, where a combinatiown of the above two factors combined with corporatist funding (we were outspent 8 to1 by the most conservative estimates), gave the recall away to the corporate lacky repuke!
Given what we know, that the rabid haters WILL turn out, that the felonious election fraudsters will stop millions of us from voting, that the corporatists will outspent us by at least 8 to 1....
........and this thread thinks to encourage us that it is all decided, that he is toast, implying that perhaps we can relax?
Not just NO but HELL NO! The corporatists haven't given up spending millions maybe even billions thanks to citizens united. Hell IT WAS OUR MONEY that they spend in order to make even MORE OF OUR MONEY by swaying this election. They have invested too much already to give up now.
They want to purchase the White House, The Congress and they already have the SCOTUS. We have been getting our asses kicked for the past decade, arguably even since Regan. We The People are outgunned on all fronts but one: our sheer numbers. No, now is not the time to kick back and sip a tall cool one, we are in the fight to save our very democracy!
We need to push our fellow voters, educate them, show them where we really are, what is at stake. Most of them don't know what you know about the election fraud going on, about how the GOP is taking all that money from the corporatists-corporatists who have no other agenda then to take even more of OUR hard earned dollars. Get them fired up.
No, stop thinking that our fight is only with the mitt-wit, he has some big guns on his side aimed right at We The People, aimed right at YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE! This fight is not over....don't you dare think that.
This thing is so far from over. The one thing that scares me is the unlimited money Romney is able to raise from the rich. If the SC had ruled the other way on campaign finance I think this would be similar to the 96' race.
(edited for grammar)
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)at least into late October ...
SILVER__FOX52
(535 posts)CORRECT !!!!!!!!
TBF
(32,051 posts)nt
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Here's the worst thing you can say about the Republican Party, circa 2012: Mitt Romney is their strongest candidate.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)They'd never get elected and just THINK of the fun that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert would have with it.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)According to FactCheck
In that federal financial disclosure form he claimed
http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00000286_2010_pres.pdf
But when he had to prove residency to run for Massachusetts governor, Mitt testified under oath that he
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-departure_n_1669006.html
And
And
So he either lied under oath or lied on his federal financial disclosure form, one or the other is a FELONY right?
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Kablooie
(18,628 posts)They circle the wagons and will defend criminal behavior to the death because the are faithful patriots.
Wait, I mistyped that ... faithful parasites.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)to "the little people" to sink in.
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)Raven
(13,889 posts)more certain of this today than I was yesterday when I wrote this. The reason being that the leadership of the Republican Party is entirely too quiet. If they thought they had a leg to stand on, they'd be all over the Democrats. Nothing but crickets.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)TheDonkey
(8,911 posts)It was painful to be on the other side of the character attacks, but as Kerry would agree, they work.
When you are an unkown-being it is critical you don't let yourself be pegged a "bad guy" or a liar and that is what is happening to Romney. Unlike Kerry who was involved in a "he said, she said" bit of character assasination, Romney has provided all the evidence for his failings, some of that evidence under oath!
Democrats cannot afford to let up now. Where are the tax records? What is Romney hiding from America that he gladly gave up to John McCain? Why is he lying about his involvement in Bain Capital (at the same time saying that is his #1 achievement).
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It was David Corn who broke the Stericide/abortion waste matter story in Mother Jones. That story is turning some Republicans against Mitt.
Boost these bits of investigative reporting every chance you get. Tweet them. Like them. Forward them. Repost them.
TheDonkey
(8,911 posts)I totally agree. It is up to all of us to keep these stories going. It is important as it reveals plainly who Romney works for (the almightly dollar ... stashed overseas so it can't be taxed and used to support American society).
David Corn has been a hero this cycle in uncovering the truth about Romney and Obama.
Mopar151
(9,981 posts)So as to burn down the Super-Pac supersaturation coming with fall TV. The smoking ruin that is Trump's credibility tells me there's something in reserve.....
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)The point is how it colors views of his character, not the specifics. The basic concept that he is a guy who got very rich laying people off and sending their jobs to China will stick.