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Raven

(13,889 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:53 PM Jul 2012

He's toast. Done, cooked and crispy.

It's July...the dog days of summer have arrived. Most of the country is preoccupied with vacation, fires, power outages...not politics. For the Obama campaign to be going after Romney/Bain as hard as they are now means to me that they have many more arrows in their quiver. This is going to be a slow death for Romney and the final stake will go in his heart sometime in October. Romney will be complicit in his political demise because he is a lying lightweight with an incompetent and arrogant campaign staff.

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He's toast. Done, cooked and crispy. (Original Post) Raven Jul 2012 OP
I like the way you think. redwitch Jul 2012 #1
I like the image of Romney as an overcooked wiener C_U_L8R Jul 2012 #2
Just the way I like my Republican dogs! :-) Raven Jul 2012 #6
New version of the "Wish Sandwich": lastlib Jul 2012 #8
You really think that? vi5 Jul 2012 #3
And the impact of $1 billion in soft money ads. n/t denverbill Jul 2012 #55
Romney is a compulsive liar Hawaii Hiker Jul 2012 #4
Stop saying that, it's not true. RC Jul 2012 #12
He lies about everything all the time spinbaby Jul 2012 #23
he buys his reality. eom ellenfl Jul 2012 #51
I generally take "compulsive liar" to means something other than "willful liar" jberryhill Jul 2012 #52
I love a good slice of sour d'oh toast! Blue Owl Jul 2012 #5
Wait. Hatch. Count. Chickens. struggle4progress Jul 2012 #7
That's not how it's done... whopis01 Jul 2012 #41
In any case, I'm not assuming Rmoney's defeat until I hear his concession: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #42
I bet Romney won't concede if he loses maryellen99 Jul 2012 #47
My only two caveats: voter suppression and a huge ad dump CTyankee Jul 2012 #9
I agree and would add all of the outside forces Raven Jul 2012 #10
Hopefully, there will be a "Linda McMahon effect" with too much CTyankee Jul 2012 #11
Kerry Rosanna Lopez Jul 2012 #17
Well, I have information to the contrary, but who knows who is right? CTyankee Jul 2012 #19
"Kerry was a wimp" ??? DCBob Jul 2012 #25
Like it or not. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2012 #28
Senator Kerry is not a "wimp". DCBob Jul 2012 #44
Ads vs. Calls... qwlauren35 Jul 2012 #49
He's definitely on the ropes. DCBob Jul 2012 #13
let's keep hammering his ass proud patriot Jul 2012 #14
Im feeling optimistic too but.. DCBob Jul 2012 #15
thanks proud patriot Jul 2012 #59
Hey Old timer OverseaVisitor Jul 2012 #27
Whose got my cane? proud patriot Jul 2012 #60
Not me OverseaVisitor Jul 2012 #61
Koch money, Rove and Diebold. Faygo Kid Jul 2012 #16
Yup Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #31
I appreciate your thought on this but Catherine Vincent Jul 2012 #18
Yep, and that was before Citizens United. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #24
Stupid voters, citizens united, voter id, purges, diebold. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #20
Fellow Duer(s) This fight is not over....not by a long shot! chknltl Jul 2012 #21
+1 davidpdx Jul 2012 #37
At this juncture, I question whether he can survive the August convention Brother Buzz Jul 2012 #22
too early patrice Jul 2012 #26
The "liberal" media WILL keep him afloat Cosmocat Jul 2012 #29
100 %........ SILVER__FOX52 Jul 2012 #30
Hopefully - but the repugs could still replace him at this point TBF Jul 2012 #32
With Ron Paul? Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #33
romney/paul ticket scares the hell out of me. eom chknltl Jul 2012 #39
Now, now.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #45
Can a felon hold office as President? krawhitham Jul 2012 #34
Yes - As long as he is not a convicted felon Generic Brad Jul 2012 #36
long way to the election. WI_DEM Jul 2012 #35
Unfortunately many voter love cooked and crispy Republicans. Kablooie Jul 2012 #38
This also gives plenty of time for the image of him as a rich tax dodger who thinks rules only apply Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #40
I certainly hope you are right. mnhtnbb Jul 2012 #43
I repeat: cooked and crispy. I am Raven Jul 2012 #46
Don't forget the Colonel's special recipe! HopeHoops Jul 2012 #48
I believe this was the time that John Kerry was swiftboated TheDonkey Jul 2012 #50
so let's be sure we support the journalists who are doing this work grasswire Jul 2012 #53
Yes we can! TheDonkey Jul 2012 #56
I hope so - but the Obama campaign better have plenty of charcoal ready Mopar151 Jul 2012 #54
This issue is merely a temporary blip on the news radar. It will be forgotten by August. LonePirate Jul 2012 #57
Some of the specifics, sure quaker bill Jul 2012 #58

lastlib

(23,216 posts)
8. New version of the "Wish Sandwich":
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

"A Wish Sandwich is the kind of a sandwich where you have two slices of bread, and you *WISH*..." you weren't the overcooked weiner between them!

BA-BA-BOW!!

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
3. You really think that?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:58 PM
Jul 2012

Such a sweet kid.

And by the way, you're right that he is a lying lightweight with an incompetent and arrogant staff. I just think you overestimate the intelligence of the voting public.

Hawaii Hiker

(3,165 posts)
4. Romney is a compulsive liar
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jul 2012

and that's his best attribute..

The guy is a skunk, puts Pepe La Pew to shame...

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
12. Stop saying that, it's not true.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012

To lie, you have to know the truth. To know the truth, you have to have a grip on reality. For people like Mitt, reality is whatever they say it is at the moment.
If the answer to the next question contradicts the answer to the last question, no problem. Both are correct. See, Mitt is incapable of lying.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
52. I generally take "compulsive liar" to means something other than "willful liar"
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:55 PM
Jul 2012

What I find most fascinating about the way this has unfolded is that the Obama campaign seems to be counting on the reliability with which he will say things that are not true (whether he has a grip on objective truth or not).

But, yes, I think we all understand that a pathological liar is not "lying" in the sense of willfully and knowingly making false statements. It is a compulsion. They can't help themselves. And they do not have the consciousness of "lying" that someone without a character disorder would otherwise have.

whopis01

(3,510 posts)
41. That's not how it's done...
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jul 2012

It's more like:

Count. Extrapolate. Predict October surprise. Demand a recount. Argue about chickens with hanging chads. Speculate on whether or not they are actually duck eggs. Hatch. Count. Claim this is what you predicted back in January.

struggle4progress

(118,280 posts)
42. In any case, I'm not assuming Rmoney's defeat until I hear his concession:
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:13 AM
Jul 2012

before then, it's "let's all work to re-elect Obama"

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
9. My only two caveats: voter suppression and a huge ad dump
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

during September and October, courtesy of all those Super Pac donors. Fortunately, the obama people aren't going to be caught surprised since it's pretty obvious this is going to be the Romeny strategy. Remember the Swiftboating of Kerry happened later in October and Kerry's campaign couldn't get into gear in time to rebut successfully.

Raven

(13,889 posts)
10. I agree and would add all of the outside forces
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012

that could come into play during the next few months but I do believe that the Obama campaign is ready for it. I think the basic mistake that the Romney campaign has made is thinking that Democrats will be passive and that the American people are stupid.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
11. Hopefully, there will be a "Linda McMahon effect" with too much
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jul 2012

advertising, leading people to be completely turned off of her campaign against Dick Blumenthal in 2010. Of course, the fact that she was the "wrestling lady" and quite a nasty piece of Republican work at that didn't help her and Dick Blumenthal was a very highly regarded state A.G. Now he is our Senator, yaay!

But Linda is back and will be running (paying) for Joe Lieberman's seat, probably against Chris Murphy, now a Congressman and a good guy. But there is real doubt that a person with her background would ever be elected Senator from CT...it wouldn't "do."

Rosanna Lopez

(308 posts)
17. Kerry
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jul 2012

They didn't WANT to rebut Bush - that was one of their problems. Kerry was a wimp. He never fought back and never stated the obvious because he was too afraid to - that Bush was a Vietnam draft dodger who was kept out of the War by his rich influential Daddy, while guys like Kerry were the ones who went over there and actually put their lives in danger.

He allowed Rove's strategy to work beautifully against him. They needed to go after Bush's opponent by protecting Bush's greatest vulnerability - his lack of military background and draft dodging. So since Bush was running against a man who HAD been in Vietnam and the military, they need to discredit Kerry so people wouldn't pay attention to Bush's own background.

Kerry allowed himself to fall right into Rove's trap by not fighting back.

qwlauren35

(6,147 posts)
49. Ads vs. Calls...
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

The SuperPACs may have more ads, but the Obama supporters will have more volunteers. It makes me wonder when the Romney office will figure out that they need to pay people to make phone calls. But even if they pay people, a paid person doesn't have the personal touch of a true Obama supporter.

We can do this!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. He's definitely on the ropes.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jul 2012

I agree with you that the O-campaign has much more in the quiver. They probably have a weekly attack plan to keep Romney campaign continuosly off balance then save the best for last and blow him away the final few weeks before the election.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. Im feeling optimistic too but..
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jul 2012

Republicans can be the most dangerous when feeling threatened like a cornered rabid dog. We need to be extremely cautious with these animals.

Wow! nearing 100,000 posts! I salute you!

 

OverseaVisitor

(296 posts)
61. Not me
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:52 AM
Jul 2012

I did not remember taking a cane with me during my " cough cough " enforce vacation.

Maybe someone lost a club

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
18. I appreciate your thought on this but
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jul 2012

I go back when Bush II was campaigning and we thought no way in hell this clown would ever get elected but look what happened.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
24. Yep, and that was before Citizens United.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jul 2012

And, before hundreds of thousands of people were improperly purged from the voter rolls. And, before all the voter ID BS...

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
20. Stupid voters, citizens united, voter id, purges, diebold.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jul 2012

And Obama is still black.

Don't count your chickens and never let up on the throttle. This is a battle for our very lives.

We have to act like we're ten points down.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
21. Fellow Duer(s) This fight is not over....not by a long shot!
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jul 2012

We all here know about the unenlightend electorate produced by the right wing propaganda machine....given a choice between President Obama and...ANYONE, they will enthusiastically vote against our President

We all here are aware of the election fraud going on perpetrated by the GOP, they are scrubbing millions of us Dems off the voter rolls.

We are well aware of what happened in Wisconsin, where a combinatiown of the above two factors combined with corporatist funding (we were outspent 8 to1 by the most conservative estimates), gave the recall away to the corporate lacky repuke!

Given what we know, that the rabid haters WILL turn out, that the felonious election fraudsters will stop millions of us from voting, that the corporatists will outspent us by at least 8 to 1....
........and this thread thinks to encourage us that it is all decided, that he is toast, implying that perhaps we can relax?

Not just NO but HELL NO! The corporatists haven't given up spending millions maybe even billions thanks to citizens united. Hell IT WAS OUR MONEY that they spend in order to make even MORE OF OUR MONEY by swaying this election. They have invested too much already to give up now.

They want to purchase the White House, The Congress and they already have the SCOTUS. We have been getting our asses kicked for the past decade, arguably even since Regan. We The People are outgunned on all fronts but one: our sheer numbers. No, now is not the time to kick back and sip a tall cool one, we are in the fight to save our very democracy!

We need to push our fellow voters, educate them, show them where we really are, what is at stake. Most of them don't know what you know about the election fraud going on, about how the GOP is taking all that money from the corporatists-corporatists who have no other agenda then to take even more of OUR hard earned dollars. Get them fired up.

No, stop thinking that our fight is only with the mitt-wit, he has some big guns on his side aimed right at We The People, aimed right at YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE! This fight is not over....don't you dare think that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
37. +1
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:59 AM
Jul 2012

This thing is so far from over. The one thing that scares me is the unlimited money Romney is able to raise from the rich. If the SC had ruled the other way on campaign finance I think this would be similar to the 96' race.

(edited for grammar)

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
33. With Ron Paul?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jul 2012

Here's the worst thing you can say about the Republican Party, circa 2012: Mitt Romney is their strongest candidate.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
45. Now, now....
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:08 AM
Jul 2012

They'd never get elected and just THINK of the fun that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert would have with it.

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
34. Can a felon hold office as President?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:09 PM
Jul 2012

According to FactCheck

he "would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999."


In that federal financial disclosure form he claimed
http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00000286_2010_pres.pdf

"Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."


But when he had to prove residency to run for Massachusetts governor, Mitt testified under oath that he
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-departure_n_1669006.html

"remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the Life Like Corporation"

And
"There were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth,"

And
His activities during that period also included Staples board meetings: "I returned for most of those meetings. Others I attended by telephone if I could not return."


So he either lied under oath or lied on his federal financial disclosure form, one or the other is a FELONY right?

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
38. Unfortunately many voter love cooked and crispy Republicans.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:20 AM
Jul 2012

They circle the wagons and will defend criminal behavior to the death because the are faithful patriots.

Wait, I mistyped that ... faithful parasites.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. This also gives plenty of time for the image of him as a rich tax dodger who thinks rules only apply
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 03:09 AM
Jul 2012

to "the little people" to sink in.

Raven

(13,889 posts)
46. I repeat: cooked and crispy. I am
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012

more certain of this today than I was yesterday when I wrote this. The reason being that the leadership of the Republican Party is entirely too quiet. If they thought they had a leg to stand on, they'd be all over the Democrats. Nothing but crickets.

TheDonkey

(8,911 posts)
50. I believe this was the time that John Kerry was swiftboated
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jul 2012

It was painful to be on the other side of the character attacks, but as Kerry would agree, they work.

When you are an unkown-being it is critical you don't let yourself be pegged a "bad guy" or a liar and that is what is happening to Romney. Unlike Kerry who was involved in a "he said, she said" bit of character assasination, Romney has provided all the evidence for his failings, some of that evidence under oath!

Democrats cannot afford to let up now. Where are the tax records? What is Romney hiding from America that he gladly gave up to John McCain? Why is he lying about his involvement in Bain Capital (at the same time saying that is his #1 achievement).

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
53. so let's be sure we support the journalists who are doing this work
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jul 2012

It was David Corn who broke the Stericide/abortion waste matter story in Mother Jones. That story is turning some Republicans against Mitt.

Boost these bits of investigative reporting every chance you get. Tweet them. Like them. Forward them. Repost them.

TheDonkey

(8,911 posts)
56. Yes we can!
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jul 2012

I totally agree. It is up to all of us to keep these stories going. It is important as it reveals plainly who Romney works for (the almightly dollar ... stashed overseas so it can't be taxed and used to support American society).

David Corn has been a hero this cycle in uncovering the truth about Romney and Obama.

Mopar151

(9,981 posts)
54. I hope so - but the Obama campaign better have plenty of charcoal ready
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:58 PM
Jul 2012

So as to burn down the Super-Pac supersaturation coming with fall TV. The smoking ruin that is Trump's credibility tells me there's something in reserve.....

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
58. Some of the specifics, sure
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

The point is how it colors views of his character, not the specifics. The basic concept that he is a guy who got very rich laying people off and sending their jobs to China will stick.

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