Bernie Who? Hillary Steams Ahead on Endorsements-->NO enthusiam fade in Dem Party

[riversedge]

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-26/bernie-who-hillary-steams-ahead-on-endorsements


Party people get on board. Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg



Bernie Who? Hillary Steams Ahead on Endorsements

27 Aug 26, 2015 4:34 PM EDT
By Jonathan Bernstein

Do you think enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton is fading within the Democratic Party? Here's a list of new endorsements she has gathered just in August:

U.S. Representatives Bill Pascrell Jr., Bonnie Watson Coleman, Donald Payne Jr., Xavier Becerra and Scott Peters
Former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
Former South Carolina Governors Dick Riley and Jim Hodges
Former North Carolina Senator Kay Hagan
From Iowa: former U.S. Senator Tom Harkin, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, state Attorney General Tom Miller and state Treasurer Michael Fitzgerald
Twenty of 21 of New Jersey's county Democratic chairmen and a bunch of N.J. state legislators
Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey
California Assemblyman David Chiu
In New Hampshire, State Senator David Watters
In Connecticut, Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch
The Cook County (Chicago) Democratic Party

This month's haul swamps anything Bernie Sanders or the draft-Joe-Biden effort has rolled out over the entire campaign. And Clinton already had an intimidating number of endorsements, leaving few available for her to add................

This time, the Democrats have made a clear choice, with continuing endorsements showing that the party remains collectively committed to Clinton. She'll be in trouble if and only if that changes.

[Cha]

1. Leaders and former leaders in all these different States.. thanks riversedge!

[Ino]

2. They're avoiding the Clinton Grudge List.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/meet-the-people-formerly-mad-at-hillary-club-20140623

The Clintons are infamous for holding a grudge, and with Hillary looking like a prohibitive front-runner for the party's presidential nomination in 2016, prominent Democrats who supported Barack Obama in 2008 are racing to settle their debts now and make their support for Clinton known early.

And it's not just run-of-the-mill Obama supporters, but the ones whose support for the young insurgent in 2008 felt like major betrayals to the Clintons. In their book HRC, journalists Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes detail how one of the last acts of the defeated Clinton campaign was to finalize a "hit list" of Democrats who were disloyal, with the degree of treachery ranked from one to seven.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bill-clinton-hillary-clinton-friends-benefits

During the last election cycle, Bill Clinton made what some dubbed a “loyalty tour,” campaigning for House candidates who endorsed his wife in 2008 – and punishing those who snubbed her by backing Barack Obama.

In one memorable moment, Bill Clinton went practically to the hometown of a former Democratic congressman who rebuffed Hillary in order to campaign for a rival in the Democratic primary for attorney general of Pennsylvania.

According to the book “HRC,” by journalists Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, the Clintons kept a “hit list” of fellow partisans who had wronged them. “I am never going to forget the people who supported Hillary,” Bill told a group of Democrats after his wife’s presidential campaign failed – while staring into the eyes of a then-congressman who did not support her.

[JackInGreen]

4. I keep saying

I don't see anything shocking about an establishment candidate being brown nosed by individuals dependent on the establishment for their well being, and getting on The Clintons bad side tends to have less than nice consequences.

[George II]

58. It's an indication of the support she'll get as President, and Sanders' endorsements (0)....

....are an indication of the support he would get if he were ever elected president.

[JackInGreen]

66. To quote

Mrs.C.
"George? Sit on it."

[MaggieD]

73. That's exactly right

His co-workers in congress don't like him much, that's for sure. It's one of the reasons he has accomplished almost nothing in 25 years in congress.

Not sure why another poster is telling you to "sit on it" simply because you made a very relevant observation like that. Just rude.

[Demeter]

25. I am so not impressed

Many of these people I would run a block to avoid being endorsed by.

[Huddie94]

26. "What's right for his family" kinda thing?

We just heard how Hillary wants Vice President Biden "to do what's right for himself and what's right for his family."

Getting on the Clintons' Sxxx List part of that calculation? She did seem to be more than usually tight lipped, saying that.

Biden polls more trustworthy, more electable than Hillary Clinton. There's that for democrats.

[George II]

56. What does this have to do with Hillary Clinton's endorsements?

[leftofcool]

3. The most loved woman in the world!

[George II]

61. She's been the world's most admired woman for 19 of the last 22 years.

[cali]

68. And a woman that the majority of Americans think is dishonest and untrustworthy.

[AgingAmerican]

98. Taylor Swift?

nt

[frylock]

104. I was thinking the Gaga..

but, yeah. Ridiculous statement.

[tecelote]

5. No one doubts Hillary has the establishment behind her.

The banks, corporations, war mongers, etc. all want Hillary. Is this a surprise?

[Amimnoch]

7. All of that and reality too!

makes me

[tecelote]

12. Status Quo!

Hip, Hip, Hurray for Hillary!

America is just fine as it is. Right on!

[Amimnoch]

22. Of course facing reality is = wanting no change at all.

Has anyone told you lately just how smart you are?

[tecelote]

23. You must feel real smart attacking my intelligence.

Good for you!

[kenfrequed]

32. Yeah...

You respond well to that one. It was obvious ban-bait designed to make you counter attack. Good job recognizing it.

I agree with you completely. I would add that some of these party endorsements came from well before Bernie Sanders was even running. Some may change their tune as Bernie keeps surging.

[frylock]

122. Some of these party endorsements came well before anyone even committed to running.

I lost a lot of respect when I heard that Howard Dean endorsed Clinton in December of 2014.

[kenfrequed]

123. True

But just as super delegates seem to be a bit problematic at this time it is worth noting that they aren't bound to any candidate. Unlike delegates sent from states that are theoretically bound to their states choice for the first ballot, a super delegate can change their support at any time.

I would not be surprised after this weekend if a few of them slip from Hillary's fingers.

[oasis]

53. Hillary:lemonade from lemons vs. Bernie: lemon pie in the sky.

It's tough to talk sense to folks who are chasing a dream.

[George II]

62. I like that one, I'll have to use it in the future....

[kenfrequed]

124. The GOP doesn't give us lemons.

They give us crap. I don't much feel like crapola-ade so I will pick someone who will fight them instead.

[frylock]

126. yeah.. that ain't lemonade.

[HassleCat]

107. Big advantage

Most people feel that way, or at least close enough to vote for Clinton. That gives her a big advantage. Her supporters, of course, see this as another indication of the inevitable. They believe she will roll over her opponents the way that big green tractor would roll over a bug. The only thing that could prevent that a sudden realization among a big segment of the population that it's time to break out of the rut, time to vote for somebody and something truly different. Or Joe Biden could enter the race.

[MADem]

10. And the super-delegates, without whom a candidate cannot win...? nt

[leftofcool]

29. And yet, here is Bernie running to that same "establishment" saying "Choose me, choose me?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-to-seek-support-from-democratic-party-establishment/2015/08/26/325f41ec-4be5-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

[MaggieD]

74. And he once said it would be "hypocritical to run as a Democrat"

It's hypocritical all right. I agree with Bernie on that.

[George II]

63. Then why is Sanders seeking the presidential nomination from "the establishment"?

[Amimnoch]

6. They didn't choose to endorse world peace, eternal life,

rainbows and unicorns???

Shocking.



Go Hillary 2016!!! The candidate that will make change happen, not just make the wish lists of everything that should happen.

[leftofcool]

9. LMAO!

[BooScout]

17. Bernie has those....he's magical!

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This election will be won by magic!

[hrmjustin]

65. .

[frylock]

102. Shit like this makes the incessant whining over Hillary bashing ring hollow.

[Amimnoch]

109. We didn't start the fire m'love.

[frylock]

112. Really? Shitting on progressives has been a time-honored tradition around here.

In any case, we'll continue to discuss the issues, and you guys can post your unicorn smack and piss and moan in the HRC meta forum about how mean the Sanders supporters can be.

[GitRDun]

118. If it's ever going to get better around here, someone has to put the rhetorical gun down first

Does snark (logic's stupid cousin) from a Hillary supporter really give us license to rhetorically "shoot" or snark at any pro-Hillary or anti-Bernie post we don't like. How does that help Bernie?

I jumped in and started posting / responding in kind, when I saw the way bravenak was treated. Despite not always being on the same side of the argument as she was, I respected her passion and authenticity. Responding in kind felt like defending, the right thing to do. Now I'm not so sure anymore. bravenak is gone, followed by others..the shooting just continues. I became part of the problem....just another shooter.

Do what you will, it's a free country, but this board is what we all make it. I think, after trying it the way you suggest, it's better to just ignore the snark...the snark-ers are the one's who look like fools.

[Betty Karlson]

8. If "the party" is defined as 'the party establishment' there is indeed no enthousiasm fade.

But have you noticed a strong (under)current of fading and eclipsed enthousiasm among the common party members?

[riversedge]

52. Nope. But msm -and many Bernie fans keep telling me that.

[Betty Karlson]

54. Maybe you should listen to them

Even if your preferred candidate prevails in the primaries, she'll need every Democratic vote to win the General Election. And with faded enthousiasm over a year before the primaries, I can scarcely imagine the bad mood disaster months after the primaries.

[George II]

55. The Democratic Party IS the Democratic Party. If people are unhappy with it, they can remake it....

....but from the INSIDE, not the outside.

[Betty Karlson]

57. I'm sure there is a point to be made by your words.

But it eludes me; definition of 'enthousiasm in the party' relies on a good understanding of what a party is. The OP only cites party establishment endorsements as proof of unfading enthousiasm in the (whole) party. There is a narrowness in such a notion.

Your tautology doesn't change that narrowness one bit.

[reformist2]

11. Just a list of politicians - and has-beens and nobodies at that!

Truth be told, I'm not impressed when one politician "endorses" another politician. It's just politics.

I'm more impressed by union endorsements and the like. You know, everyday people.

[leftofcool]

13. Yea, who needs those super delegates at the convention right?

[reformist2]

15. That's the ticket - let's make sure there are more superdelegates than actual delegates!

Of course, if we let them decide the nomination, we might have to change the name of our party...

[deutsey]

30. The fact that we have "superdelegates" indicates a problem, imo

[MaggieD]

60. Why?

You don't want ANY adults in the room?

[MaggieD]

59. Duh - super delegates are 20% of the total

And Bernie has none so far.

[bigdarryl]

69. Joy-Ann Reed made a good point on Mark Thompson show about how Hillary decided to enter the race

She said I think Hillary would not have entered the race unless she knew she had the majority of the delegates on her side.That's a good observation

[MaggieD]

71. She is beloved by party leaders

And for good reason. She has spent a lifetime advancing the Democratic agenda, including helping Dems get elected.

[bigdarryl]

76. I know tell that to some of these Clinton haters

[MaggieD]

77. Been trying!

I wonder if they will believe all elected Democrats are evil once she sweeps up all the super delegate endorsements. Just waiting for that one.

[frylock]

103. Super Delegates overriding the will of the people would be the death knell of the party..

A whole generation of new voters would see just how badly the system is rigged.

[George II]

67. Has been and nobodies?

1 current member of Obama's Cabinet
7 current state Governors, including the current Governor of Vermont
31 current Senators (70% of 44) including Sanders' fellow Senator from Vermont
95 current Representatives (51% of 188)
28 current Mayors, including the current Mayor of Sanders' home town, Burlington

That's an impressive list of CURRENT non-has-beens and somebodies.

On the other hand, we have to give credit to Sanders for getting the endorsements of the 1%-ers Ben and Jerry!

[Joe Chi Minh]

14. Any rich people among them?

[Divernan]

33. Lotsa wannabe future ambassadors, for sure!

Quid pro quos - not just for Big Bankers/Wall Street firms or private hedge fund owners anymore.

[INdemo]

16. Yes and there are some really heavy hitters there

[turbinetree]

18. I stilll like the prospect of..................................

DEEZ NUTS giving his endorsement to Bernie-----------------because he is the future


Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[blackspade]

19. I've never cared about endorsements....

By the establishment and I don't plan to now.

[Billsmile]

20. These Endorsements are Nice Indeed....

But I fear they're for a candidate that will only give the Democratic Party a 50/50 shot at the White House.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up/

[brooklynite]

21. Fair enough -- explain HOW, in real political terms, Sanders improves on that.

[kenfrequed]

34. There are a number of factors that improve with Bernie

-For one thing Bernie does a better job activating the progressive base which is one of the keys to winning an election.
-He also does not inflame or agitate the republicans as much as Hillary does.
-Adding to that the republicans haven't been planning for ten years on how to run against him.
-He has lower negatives in some of the swing states.
-If Jeb Bush is the other candidate then we will have a Bush vs Clinton race that will actually turn down overall voter enthusiasm and lower turnout ALWAYS favors republicans. This would also be an invitation for third party spoilage.
-If Trump is the other candidate than we have a situation where populism (albeit, disgusting xenophobic hateful populism) is running hotter on the republican side.
-Almost every issue Sanders speaks to have been issues that the majority of Americans actual support-getting tough on Wall Street, raising the minimum wage, taxing the wealthy etc. And we know with near-certainty that the moment that Hillary gets the nomination nod she will run straight to the middle.

[Nitram]

37. "does not agitate and inflame Republicans as much as Hillary does?"

Very interesting. I thought Bernistas all thought Clinton was a Republican in Democratic clothes. that Republicans like her policies.

[kenfrequed]

42. Republicans are generally irrational

They are basing it on twenty years of irrational attacks on the Clintons and about ten years of attacks on Hillary as a candidate. They don't care about the fact her policies are sort of moderate for a Democrat any longer. Hell, the teahaddists in their party ejected a fair number of republicans that would have been very conservative back in the 90's and unelectably insane back in the 70's.

With Hillary we get someone that has long been DLC/Third way in policy and the absolute hate of the republicans. If we are going to get their hate anyways I would prefer the more progressive candidate. And it would be a candidate that takes a lot longer for them to gin up the hate for since to many he is not known.

[MaggieD]

86. Consistency is the hob goblin of small minds - LOL!

[frylock]

114. Hillary has been pretty consistent with her inconsistancies.

[Nitram]

131. No, "a foolish consistency" is.

[MaggieD]

75. I had to stop at your second bullet point

Republicans are not attacking Bernie because they would love to have him in the GE. They will have the non-stop ads about him being a socialist who wants to tax you at 95% running the minute he got nominated.

And he hasn't agitated them before because he is wholly ineffective. Bernie's own co workers basically dismiss him. Why should rethugs pay any attention to him given that?

[kenfrequed]

93. Hmm... I disagree

In politics it makes more sense to pump up and name-drop the person you want to run against if they are on the opposing team.

[MaggieD]

94. No, being ignored by your opponent in politics

.... just means you are not a factor.

[kenfrequed]

95. I think you are intentionally obtuse

This is something everyone engages in with politics of this scale during primary season. You pump up the guy on the other team that is most easily defeated. Force the entire party on the other side to try to defend thme or divide themselves. It is one of the reasons we are so willing to talk about Trump (apart from some ridiculous media obsession). We want the GOP to be cartoonishly stupid and bad and with Trump we get that.

The GOP wants to run against the candidate they think they have the best shot at beating. For better or worse that happens to be Hillary.

[MaggieD]

96. I will put my politcal chops up against yours any day of the week

So your personal attacks / insults mean nothing to me whatsoever.

[kenfrequed]

100. Interesting jump.

I was accusing you of play-acting intentionally simple. I make no bones against your intellect but you seem set on intentionally ignoring a long standing strategy of political campaigns.

Note the use of the word 'intentional' again. I want to make that perfectly clear.

[MaggieD]

101. You have no call to accuse me of anything

And if you actually want an actual response from me, you'll need to skip the insults.

[kenfrequed]

106. Hmm...

I apologize for catching you trying to feign ignorance of a tactic that you and I both know is common practice. You are way too smart for me to believe you are unaware of it.

[CanadaexPat]

24. Are they as solid as Daischle in their support?

He's apparently said he'd switch to Biden if Biden runs.

[kelliekat44]

27. Really, she is our best chance against the GOP and she will pull the voters to vote down ticket.

I think it is time for the Dems to get out and begin to support her visibly and vocally. I love Bernie and he is good for generating the enthusiasm. However, if he doesn't get the nomination many of his group will NOT support Hillary but I really think a huge part of his following is from other than Dems. The right, including Mika and Joe, are doing all they can to make HRC a villain (spouse keeps turning them on in the am). That tell me they are still afraid and HRC is doing much better than they thought she would at this point so they have decided to help the anti-HRC crowd demean her.

[riversedge]

40. pulling in voters to vote down the ticket is so important.

[riversedge]

41. BTW--Morning joe is doing his best again to

rag on Hillary.

[Laser102]

28. I have no doubt about this candidate. She's our next president.

Looking forward to it!!!!

[RoccoR5955]

31. Clinton is good, but Bernie is better...

I, for one, shall not settle for second best. Not when there is someone who is better on the issues, and especially in a primary!

[PotatoChip]

35. What an odd picture...

Why is Hillary standing in front of a tractor?

[sufrommich]

36. Because she's at a John Deere factory in Iowa.nt

[PotatoChip]

38. Begging the CEO and upper management of John Deere to not move their operations to Asia?

I hope so!

Thanks for the explanation.

[Amimnoch]

43. Probably! and much better than clicking the ruby slippers and wishing it so!

Come on everybody, chant it with me:

"There are no more corporations.. there are no more corporations"
"Everybody in the world is happy.. everybody in the world is happy"
/revision/latest?cb=20140501020117

I genuinely envy being able to be that level of fanatical belief in a presidents capabilities.

[PotatoChip]

44. I don't think the color of those shoes would go well w/her outfit.

Or mine for that matter. Too gaudy, and I hate pointy, heeled shoes.

[Amimnoch]

48. ROFL, you know.

I like you. We may not be on the same team, but I like your snark and witt.



PS: no sarcasm meant at all.

[PotatoChip]

50. Why, thank you!

We may not be on the same team right now, but definitely after the primary, we will be! No matter who wins it.

No way can in hell can we let any member of the clown car become the POTUS!

[Aerows]

92. Heavens no!

17 candidates and hardly a moral or a brain cell put together!

[leftofcool]

49. I like them but at my age, hell, I'd just twist an ankle or fall and break a hip.

[PotatoChip]

51. I'm not far behind you agewise. Yikes! (nt)

[arcane1]

84. LOL what a stupid post

Are you 12?

[BainsBane]

119. Ah, excuse me: Not all corporations are bad

Lockheed Martin is good and gun corporations are so special they deserve special immunity from civil liability. So big business: Just make sure you make those billions off killing folks instead of usury.



Isn't she purrty? She only cost $700 Billion, give or take a few hundred billion.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/30/f-35-fighter-jet-more-problematic-and-costly-than-ever-imagined-air-force-secretary/
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion

[sufrommich]

45. She's talking to agricultural students from the local

community college about farm policy.But,as we all know,agricultural students tend to be evil.Eeevvvviiiilll!

[PotatoChip]

46. What a strange rant. Is this never-never land?

I need another cup of coffee... or something.

See ya latah.

[sufrommich]

47. A rant? Really?

[NorthCarolina]

39. She's speaking at John Deere....

undoubtedly in front of well over 28,000 cheering supporters but you can't see them because it's a bad camera angle.

[George II]

64. I really liked this statement from the article:

"her national polling lead is down from enormous to merely very large. But as long as the party is with her, she isn't in trouble."

[Romulox]

70. In other words, the Party Machine is standing with her, for now. But Joe is in the wings... nt

[MaggieD]

72. Too late

I welcome him to the party, but his odds are long if he enters the race now.

[Romulox]

79. Tell it to the Party. Reportedly, Joe has received the President's "blessing" to run... nt

[MaggieD]

80. He has my blessing too

But he's not going to win because it's too late. He's too far behind in terms of ramping up a campaign. I know he was focused on his son. The timing just didn't work out for him.

[Romulox]

81. You aren't the leader of the Democratic Party, though, so the impact isn't the same. nt

[MaggieD]

83. You're missing the point

He's welcome to run, but he's in too late.

[Romulox]

85. That the Party Elite has given Joe clearance to run is the point, imo. nt

[MaggieD]

87. And it matters little because it's too late

[Romulox]

88. It matters, period, because Clinton has stumbled so badly out of the gate. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

113. Too late to join, too early for debate. My head is spinning.

[frylock]

115. Consistency is the hob goblin of small minds - LOL!

Consistency is the hob goblin of small minds - LOL!

[frylock]

110. She's a kingmaker, bruh.

[SouthernProgressive]

78. While Hillary is clearly leading the way in almost evey single category....

I think it's a little unfair to say "Bernie Who?" While Sanders endorsements don't compare to Hillary's, he does have some extremely good endorsements. Also, my endorsement of Hillary over the others is what is important to me. As for the topic of enthusiasm, it is simply a campaign gimmick being used by supporters of her opponents. Its fair game even though not based in reality. It's like me saying Sanders has started to clearly plateau in national polls. While that appears to be accurate, it leaves out numerous polls of late from two states showing Sanders with continuing growth.

Clinton has been building coalitions for decades from within the party while Sanders has been pounding his fist on his desk and yelling from the outside. This isn't even questionable to the honest observer. The overall endorsement count isn't really a shock.

[MaggieD]

82. I think the article means super delegate endorsements.

I don't think Bernie has any, does he? Those will matter since they represent 20% of the delegates needed to win the nomination.

[SouthernProgressive]

89. I would think almost all super delegates will go to Hillary.

It makes sense and is one of the big reasons I am with her in the primaries. She has built up this clout and that in itself is important when it comes to moving this country forward. Do I want someone yelling from a podium or someone building coalitions in a powerful manner that will help progressive legislation to move forward against enormous odds. Sanders is seriously lacking in these relationships and networking as a whole.

[reformist2]

90. That's absurd. The Dem "insiders" will follow whoever we nominate.

[SouthernProgressive]

91. Thank you for you kind words.

We are clearly talking about the nomination process. And no, after said process the winner won't then simply assume control of these relationships. To think the clout built by the Clintons over decades is transferable is simply not a argument that is based in reality. Interesting thought you hold there. Once again, thanks for the kind words and illuminating insight. It is appreciated.

"has-beens and nobodies " reformist2 Post number 11 to the op.



U.S. Representatives Bill Pascrell Jr., Bonnie Watson Coleman, Donald Payne Jr., Xavier Becerra and Scott Peters
Former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
Former South Carolina Governors Dick Riley and Jim Hodges
Former North Carolina Senator Kay Hagan
From Iowa: former U.S. Senator Tom Harkin, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, state Attorney General Tom Miller and state Treasurer Michael Fitzgerald
Twenty of 21 of New Jersey's county Democratic chairmen and a bunch of N.J. state legislators
Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey
California Assemblyman David Chiu
In New Hampshire, State Senator David Watters
In Connecticut, Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch
The Cook County (Chicago) Democratic Party

[Ed Suspicious]

116. I remember this story from 8 years ago. The superdelagates were

In Clintons corner and we were worried they would usurp the population by nominating Hillary. Same old story, same old song and dance.

[frylock]

97. These endorsements will surely impress millennials, indies, first-time and disaffected voters

[AgingAmerican]

99. Brown Nosers

At the money trough

[HERVEPA]

105. Do you actually think you're helping your candidate by taking shots at Bernie?

[Maedhros]

108. There's a great line in a Bruce Cockburn song that seems apropo:

We see the paid-off local bottom feeders
passing themselves off as leaders.
Kiss the ladies, shake hands with the fella's
then it's "Open for business!" like a cheap bordello.

And they call it Democracy...

[Ed Suspicious]

111. The politicians endorse Clinton. The people increasingly

endorse Bernie. I'll take the people, Plato.

[earthside]

117. I won't vote for her. Period.

That is my un-endorsement.

The intolerance I have experienced here from Hillary supporters has certainly contributed to my decision to pledge my anti-Hillary vote.

Let the politicians and celebrities endorse her, they only have one vote apiece ... just like my one vote.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

127. The endorsements didn't work for her in 2008

[Gothmog]

120. Sanders' lack of endorsements is meaningful

[nichomachus]

121. Hillary led the pack in endorsements in 2007 too.

Then, this guy named Obama came out of nowhere.

[ericson00]

125. comparison: debunked

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-youre-no-barack-obama/

[frylock]

128. opinion: observed

[ericson00]

129. yea, too bad FiveThirtyEight has actual statistics and data behind it

so its not an opinion, its cold hard fact.

[frylock]

130. shit goes sideways once the debates start..

the more people see of Sanders, the more they like him. Clinton has the opposite effect.