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reddread

(6,896 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:30 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders will win the primaries and general election BUT

I dont think it could/will have happened without Hillary's vital role.
Thank you Mrs. Clinton/Madame Secretary.
You are crucial to the political revolution we are about to undergo.

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Bernie Sanders will win the primaries and general election BUT (Original Post) reddread Sep 2015 OP
I am going to wrest the pfp title from Floyd Mayweather. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #1
Sorry... quickesst Sep 2015 #2
That isn't nice. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #4
You are right of course.... quickesst Sep 2015 #10
Biden will be the nominee if there is an implosion in the Clinton campaign Gothmog Sep 2015 #3
That's my take BainsBane Sep 2015 #6
Biden has never been able to catch fire. Hillary, on the other hand? reddread Sep 2015 #8
Are you still beating that old drum? hedda_foil Sep 2015 #9
Tell your amusing views to Nate Silver Gothmog Sep 2015 #12
Those screwed by the bankruptcy bill by two of those candidates are a BIG demographic! cascadiance Sep 2015 #13
Translation: "Bernie makes... demwing Sep 2015 #25
K&R! marym625 Sep 2015 #5
The premise is true musiclawyer Sep 2015 #7
She is +35 nationally. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #11
And not long ago, she was +55. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #14
sssshhh reddread Sep 2015 #15
And falling pinebox Sep 2015 #18
this is the new stuff today roguevalley Sep 2015 #17
BENGHAAAAAAAAAAZI!!!!!!!! Howdy Gowdy says thanks! Metric System Sep 2015 #22
Unfortunately for Hillary all to many people think the jwirr Sep 2015 #23
*runs through the thread...* BooScout Sep 2015 #16
LMAO! They wish. leftofcool Sep 2015 #19
It's just a sweet, sweet fantasy baby. Metric System Sep 2015 #20
LOL and completely correct. jwirr Sep 2015 #21
K & R L0oniX Sep 2015 #24
geez, can't people grow up still_one Sep 2015 #26

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
10. You are right of course....
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

I shouldn't laugh, and Mrs Clinton should take that compliment as it was intended. <That's not me. I have no control over Hillary's reactions to compliments.

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
3. Biden will be the nominee if there is an implosion in the Clinton campaign
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:39 PM
Sep 2015

Sanders has little support among key demographic groups in the Democratic base.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
6. That's my take
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015

Biden won't run UNLESS Hillary's campaign tanks, then he will enter--even if it's after Iowa or New Hampshire.


#fuckthebern

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
12. Tell your amusing views to Nate Silver
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:06 PM
Sep 2015

Nate and company still do not think that Bernie will be the nominee http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

So why do I still think Sanders is a factional candidate? He hasn’t made any inroads with non-white voters — in particular black voters, a crucial wing of the Democratic coalition and whose support was a big part of President Obama’s toppling of Clinton in the 2008 primary. Not only are African-Americans the majority of Democratic voters in the South Carolina primary (a crucial early contest), they make up somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of Democrats nationwide. In the past two YouGov polls, Sanders has averaged just 5 percent with black voters. Ipsos’s weekly tracking poll has him at an average of only 7 percent over the past two weeks. Fox News (the only live-interview pollster to publish results among non-white voters in July and August) had Clinton leading Sanders 62-10 among non-white Democrats in mid-July and 65-14 in mid-August. Clinton’s edge with non-whites held even as Sanders cut her overall lead from 40 percentage points to 19.

There are other indications that Sanders is unlikely to win the nomination. He hasn’t won a single endorsement from a governor, senator or member of the U.S. House of Representatives (unlike Obama at this point in the 2008 campaign). Sanders is also well behind in the money race (again, unlike Obama). These indicators haven’t changed over the past month.

But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you can’t win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
13. Those screwed by the bankruptcy bill by two of those candidates are a BIG demographic!
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

That expands in to independents and Republicans too! And Bernie isn't one of those candidates that supported the bankruptcy bill!

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
7. The premise is true
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

If HRC was a competent candidate , there would be no sky high negatives and few trust issues , and Bernie would not have gained traction. If she had any charm , her refusal to commit to liberal causes would be glossed over ....sorry. It's the truth.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
18. And falling
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 05:18 PM
Sep 2015

The country has Hillary fatigue and she's already hit her ceiling. It should tell you something when a candidate with 99% name recognition is dropping in polls to a candidate who by and far isn't even known yet.
Welcome to 2007 all over again.

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