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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:11 PM Jul 2012

I've got a baaaad feeling about this.

I said this prior to Obama's election, and I think I was pretty much correct...they Republicans knew the economy was in the shitter, and they'd do whatever they could to keep it there and blame the black guy.

Now, we're hearing all sorts of warning bells ringing about how bad the European economy really is, and LIBOR, and the dollar being turned into paper maché, and the whole world collapsing...so, if the GOP really wanted to win, why the bloody hell would they nominate Romney?

And now, the GOP is on every news program bashing their own candidate! WTF? Why would they be doing this? Looking down the pike, perhaps? They know what's coming, because they're helping create the debacle, and it will properly set them up for 2016? Remember, the GOP plays the long game. The Dems play the quarter.

Might seem far-fetched, but these guys aren't behaving normally...it's like when the cows lie down before a thunderstorm, or the birds disappear before a tornado. Something is up.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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I've got a baaaad feeling about this. (Original Post) Atman Jul 2012 OP
But the same was true in 2008... orwell Jul 2012 #1
Probably not. Our problem is we don't think the way they do, Frustratedlady Jul 2012 #2
I hear that c0ndi is pro-abortion. If so, I don't think she will be back in the white house. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #27
Talking myself off the ledge... Atman Jul 2012 #3
That is why in a way Xyzse Jul 2012 #10
I can get you off the ledge. Chan790 Jul 2012 #23
they absolutely want and expect to win. nt bowens43 Jul 2012 #4
Part of that is right. toddwv Jul 2012 #5
Name the last time a candidate DearAbby Jul 2012 #26
That's an excellent point. toddwv Jul 2012 #34
The RNC Convention is the last week of August. kaiden Jul 2012 #6
Who is this Magical Candidate they passed over for Romney? Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #7
It is weird to me. Quantess Jul 2012 #8
Kinda thought that the smarter ones Xyzse Jul 2012 #11
Exactly right! Atman Jul 2012 #12
They don't have anything to work with Marthe48 Jul 2012 #22
that's what I've been saying amfortas the hippie Jul 2012 #20
You're definitely wrong about the dollar pscot Jul 2012 #9
Like everything else, it depends upon what you're reading. Atman Jul 2012 #13
They're talking about the dollar no longer being the international currency... Chan790 Jul 2012 #24
Took the words out of my mouth leftynyc Jul 2012 #16
if they wanted to lose, the Koch brothers wouldn't be spending $400 million to defeat Obama scheming daemons Jul 2012 #14
Remember...they think long term. Atman Jul 2012 #18
If theyre thinking long term, they arent going to waste $1 billion now scheming daemons Jul 2012 #21
I DID say it was just a thought, you know. Atman Jul 2012 #28
Long term the Republican party is in huge trouble bornskeptic Jul 2012 #25
They are going down ticket. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #15
Predicting the election with jobless rates Life Long Dem Jul 2012 #17
They wouldn't grantcart Jul 2012 #19
Another "crackpot conspiracy theorist." Atman Jul 2012 #29
What makes it so reasonable is that Jeb had no chance to run this time because its still to close to grantcart Jul 2012 #32
Smack down Mitt and you smack down the extreme right along with him Jessy169 Jul 2012 #30
They have a habit of fielding bad candidates... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #31
George Romney. grantcart Jul 2012 #33

orwell

(7,769 posts)
1. But the same was true in 2008...
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jul 2012

...only worse.

Back then I thought it might not be so bad if the Cons won. At least they would have to clean up the mess they created. When they failed, which would be inevitable given their policies, it could finally rid America with its love affair with Disaster Capitalism.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. Probably not. Our problem is we don't think the way they do,
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:16 PM
Jul 2012

so it's difficult to figure out what ornery, nasty crap they are up to.

I still hold that they are going to bring Jeb in at the last minute...Jeb and Condi. Wouldn't that be a pair?

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
27. I hear that c0ndi is pro-abortion. If so, I don't think she will be back in the white house.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:46 AM
Jul 2012

Well, not as a republican. She could always change party affiliation (in some alternate universe).

Atman

(31,464 posts)
3. Talking myself off the ledge...
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:16 PM
Jul 2012

Okay, so what could be the downside? Obama wins again? And, as a lame duck, he gets to do stuff without worrying about reelection? Is that really enough? What if? What if the economy tanks as bad as every major economist is saying will happen? Obama will take the blame, and another Bush skates in in 2016. New World Order achieved.



Of course, I could be wrong.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
10. That is why in a way
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jul 2012

I was far more concerned about the House and the Senate game than the President seat.

That has changed a bit now as I am equally concerned. I also have to play the long game of SC Seats.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. I can get you off the ledge.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jul 2012

There is no sane reason the GOP would throw 2012 in anticipation of 2016 because Congress has a shit approval rating due to gridlock...and if the economy falters and gridlock continues while the American public keeps resoundingly saying they think Democrats are right on the economy and rejecting conservative economics (keep in mind, a conservative public votes GOP for social-policy and not economic reasons)...then 2014 is going to be a murder-purge of conservatives in Congress.

The last thing they want is a GOP President facing a veto-proof Democratic Congress bully after 2 years of Obama running roughshod over them: killing Citizen's United, furthering health-reform, raising taxes, creating stimulus and re-entrenching entitlements. It wouldn't take Obama 2 years with a Democratic Congress to right the economy; in a righted economy, in that scenario...their economic plan is DOA.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
5. Part of that is right.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jul 2012

I think you give the base WAY too much credit. While the party bosses may be playing for the long term, the base definitely is only interested in the here and now.

The one thing I'm afraid of is if Romney goes down in flames before he officially grabs the actual nomination. That would be a game changer...

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
26. Name the last time a candidate
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:20 AM
Jul 2012

from a brokered convention won. Even the presumptive candidate, winning back the nomination at a brokered convention?

If the party looks weak..split apart. That party will not win. Look how hard they worked against the Ron Paul delegates in Nebraska...they rolled in the crew to make sure Paul only won 2 delegates.

There can't be the slightest hint of a brokered convention.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
34. That's an excellent point.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

However, with all the corporate funds being channeled into this election, you can bet that the corporate-owned MSM will do their best to make sure that the party looks like it's a solid voting mass.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
6. The RNC Convention is the last week of August.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jul 2012

There wouldn't be enough time for the "new" GOP candidate to set the meme.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Who is this Magical Candidate they passed over for Romney?
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jul 2012

s. It is amazing to me that anyone can look at the disarray and rot that is the Republican Party and think they are doing anything according to any sort of plan. They are a wreck. They are not playing 'the long game' they are flailing around in panic.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
8. It is weird to me.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jul 2012

Why did they let Romney get this far, if he was poorly vetted? All of their candidates sucked. It's like they weren't even trying.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
11. Kinda thought that the smarter ones
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jul 2012

Decided to step back for this term so as not to have their name dragged in the gutter.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
12. Exactly right!
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jul 2012

They had Mitch Daniels and Jeb Bush and all sorts of popular/populist Republicans who were actually electable. And every one of them said NO. Why is that? They all say Obama is a total failure, and easy to beat...yet no serious candidate would take him on. Instead we got Crazy Michele, Crazier Cain, Scary Perry, "Buy The Book" Gingrich, et cetera. Huntsman, the most normal and electable of all of them, was knocked out in the first round.

It doesn't add up.

They know something we don't. Remember, the rich Republicans control the world. Poor Democrats don't mean squat. Republicans call it as they see it, and if they don't see it, they make it up.

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Marthe48

(16,902 posts)
22. They don't have anything to work with
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jul 2012

just keep trotting out the same ***holes. Bobby Jindal? Rice? Santorum? Its like a exclusive club of rotten.

20. that's what I've been saying
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jul 2012

Since I live just south of the geographical Center of Texas, and consider my house as a sort of Politico-Anthropological Duck Blind...I have taken it upon myself to study these people.
There's definitely something afoot...
I've swum in this Mud for my whole life.
I've never seen them in such a state of disunity.
I'm talking on the ground...in the feed store, the grocery store.
I keep my ears open.
Not only is there more distension and confusion at the hangouts(the big table at the feed store, where the good ol boys drink coffee), there's people thanking me for LTE's....known Lifelong Republicans.Which is unheard of.
At first, I chalked up the noted running from the Bush Stain, as mere shame, that had no approved outlet.
Now, I don't know if that accounts, Truly, for what I'm seeing.That phenomenon faded by around 09-10...
I keep saying, now's not the time for resting!
....no matter what Willard does, or says. If he's caught screwing a goat in a kiddie pool, we should not Rest.
We should shore up our own Message...construct a more coherent Narrative...a "Mythos", if you will.
We should also, of course, keep hammering away at Them, and their Absurdity.
If I'm even a little close to the mark on this...then we'll need to be ready to fill the Vacuum, with a way to Think about the World.
Be assured that Corps(e) World is.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
9. You're definitely wrong about the dollar
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jul 2012

Five years ago a Euro cost more than a buck fifty. Now you can buy a Euro for around $1.20. Thats about the strongest the Dollar has been in the last 5 years.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
13. Like everything else, it depends upon what you're reading.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jul 2012

I've read over and over again, a lot of it even here on DU, that the rest of the world is preparing for the dollar to go the way of the dodo in terms of relevancy. Sure, they could be wrong. I could be wrong. But what if we're not? What if YOU are reading the wrong articles, and not me?

.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. They're talking about the dollar no longer being the international currency...
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:21 PM
Jul 2012

the one that oil and other commodities are sold in.

That talk died with Greece...the Euro is no longer viable as an international currency and the Yuan would be over the dead bodies of every debtor the Chinese screwed over in the 1990s by intentionally deflating their currency in order to pay their debts for pennies on the dollar.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Took the words out of my mouth
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:25 PM
Jul 2012

Last year when I went to Europe - around this time - euro was $1.37, now it's under $1.25. Dollar hasn't been this strong in a very long time.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
14. if they wanted to lose, the Koch brothers wouldn't be spending $400 million to defeat Obama
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:03 PM
Jul 2012

This thread is worthless and not well thought out.

A couple dozen of the wealthiest white men in America are combining to spend $1 billion to defeat Obama because they want to lose?

That's a helluva head fake.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
21. If theyre thinking long term, they arent going to waste $1 billion now
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jul 2012

That's asinine, even by crackpot conspiracy theorists standards like yours.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
28. I DID say it was just a thought, you know.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:24 AM
Jul 2012

And you're and ass.

(Alerters, keep scheming's comment in mind when you get your panties in a wad over my "personal attack.&quot

bornskeptic

(1,330 posts)
25. Long term the Republican party is in huge trouble
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:35 AM
Jul 2012

because of demographic trends. I don't know where you get the idea that they're so politically brilliant.They've only won two of the last five presidential elections, even if you consider what they did in 2000 a win. In 2004 Bush won because of the advantage of incumbency, and that win was far from convincing. Whatever Obama's job approval, he is personally popular. Personally popular incumbents don't lose. That's the main reason people like Jeb Bush and John Thune didn't want to get involved - that and the fact that the teanuts have pulled the party so far away from the American political center that any candidate would have a hard time running a credible campaign.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
15. They are going down ticket.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

If they can buy the house and senate seats (less MSM eyes on those races), it won't matter who is in the WH. Willard can be a sacrificial lamb for all that matters.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. They wouldn't
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jul 2012

if the GOP really wanted to win, why the bloody hell would they nominate Romney?


Pls notice that the Bush crowd gave a very tepid endorsement to Romney.

Bush insiders like Daniels came out endorsing "the party's nominee".

Now Romney is twisting in the wind and Bush folks say that he should release more tax returns.

There plan is pretty clear.

Too soon for Bush and the Republican Party has gone too far to the right.

If the President wins in an electoral landslide Romney is finished and can't run again.

The President will be faced with 2 more years of rebuilding the economy and reducing the deficit. Even the military is going to have to be downsized.

In 2016 the Republicans will be in a panic and Jeb will come forth with a more moderate version of the Republican party, friendly to Hispanics and 'reasonable' on the environment. They even like the fact that health care has been addressed so they don't have to carry that water.

He will run against 'excesses' and 'lower taxes' and the Republican Party will go after him in a New York minute. He won't have to run against an incumbent President and the nut jobs on the far right will be largely discredited.

I think that right now the Bushes are pretty happy and may even be some of the indirect sources for the leaks against Romney.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
29. Another "crackpot conspiracy theorist."
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jul 2012

I don't really think you are, of coures, i'm just referencing scheming daemon's attack on me above. Some people don't seem to be able to understand the difference between a strategy and a conspiracy theory.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
32. What makes it so reasonable is that Jeb had no chance to run this time because its still to close to
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jul 2012

his brother's administration.

Also the chance of defeating an incumbent President who has been strong on national security is not very high unless the economy is on the way down, not on the way up.

Finally the Bush's don't like Mitt and they don't want Mitt to have 4 years as the titular leader of the party, that would compound the disaster.

Jessy169

(602 posts)
30. Smack down Mitt and you smack down the extreme right along with him
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jul 2012

Reading these posts with much interest this morning and thought I would chime in with MY conspiracy theory, for what it is worth.

Factual basis for my theory: America and the rest of the world is on the brink of catastrophic disaster. We all know why. We need immediate action, now. Immediate and intelligent action now can only mitigate the extreme challenges this world is facing, but it is better than doing nothing at all. And with the Religious Right and T-Party crazies in Congress and the Senate either running the show with their elected Greedmiester as President -- or -- just sitting around filibustering and obstructing everything as they have been with Obama in office, nothing -- NOTHING -- can get done to prepare us for the disasters that are surely coming.

Billionaires and "real" Republicans (not the crazy whacked-out Bachmann T-Party types) must surely have enough common sense to see the writing on the wall. They must know, without any doubt, that another four years of wasted political arguing between the party that wants to do what is right and the lunatic party that only cares about forcing their religious morality on others would be extremely dangerous not only to the "little people", but to their cush position riding on the shoulders of the little people too.

The question is, how to get rid of all the right-wing religious extremist nutbag whackos.

Enter Mitt Romney. He is the annointed one, "The One" to use a Matrix term, the penultimate representation of the perfect "leader" for the greedy, religious, isolationist, racist extremists.

My theory is that Mitt Romney has received assurances along the way from little birds whispering in his ear that he doesn't need to worry about things like his tax returns, or his Bain experience. The little birds whispering in his ear, and the billionaires pumping the money into his campaign, have assured Romney that he IS their man. But those assurances were all lies meant to maneuver Romney into position for a final, huge, epic smack-down.

My theory is that Romney is now in the process of being on the receiving end of that smack-down. He is going to take a hard, hard nose dive right into the political trash can, and there will be a lot of right-wing extremists running for Congress and Senate that will take that nose-dive with Romney. The psychological impact will be the equivalant of Romney being publicly whipped and tarred and feathered on national TV. The right-wing whacko base is going to GET the message. They'll crawl back into their holes that they slithered out of. Obama -- not a liberal president but a little right of center president as we all know -- will have a congress and senate that he can WORK with, and get some very needed legislation passed. In 2016, Jeb Bush or another "real" conservative will have a new landscape to work with, and not have to run the crazy religious right-wing whacko gauntlet of approval.

That's my theory. Hope you have as much "fun" reading it as I did typing it. Back to work...

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
31. They have a habit of fielding bad candidates...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jul 2012

Who would have thought Shrub could win once, much less twice, and McCain?

Aside from T. Roosevelt (who they hated and ran for Veep to get rid of him) and Eisenhower, name one decent Republican candidate for President. (Lincoln doesn't count-- that was a party transition.)

And their Congressional and gubernatorial candidates weren't any better after the Rockefeller wing was wiped out.

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