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Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:32 AM

Why is Bernie in this race? Everybody is saying he can't win, but....

My feeling is that Bernie felt an overpowering need to run this campaign, not because he wants to be president, because I don't think he really does. Instead, I believe he wants to elevate the dialog; he wants to educate the American populace. This is important because a huge number of Americans, definitely a majority, don't know about this stuff. People just know they are tired. They work really hard and nothing ever really seems to come from it. They can't get ahead, they can't save, and instead struggle just to make ends meet. Baby boomers and Xers have pretty much given up hope their Millennial children will have lives anywhere near as good as theirs have been, and they are ashamed. People are a paycheck away from hunger, an illness away from bankruptcy, a sick child away from losing their jobs.

Bernie, all of us must admit, has been working his ass off. Town after town, city after city. The crowds are growing because people are hungry for his message. This debate that is set for October 12th - when it happens and Bernie's message on the issues gets out to millions, we will have reached the tipping point. I have spent a long time and made much effort to know the truth, as I know you have, and the funny thing is, once you know you cannot go back.

We've had 35 years of right wing corporate propaganda. We've watched the systematic busting of unions. We've seen pensions that workers bled for disappear. We have seen salaries of CEOs go into the stratosphere while at the same time our wages have stagnated. In the meantime, prices for healthcare, for dental work, for groceries have gone up, up, up. Corporations like Dannon have reduced the size of the package of products we buy, but are charging the same price or more. My last refrigerator lasted about 20 years. It still worked when we bought a top of the line Kenmore, and guess what? The sales guy told me that there was no way we'd get that kind of quality nowadays.

I'm white, but I sure am aware that unarmed people of color are getting killed everyday by a militarized police. I feel uncomfortable with the idea that everything I write or say is getting recorded by a giant domestic spying operation called NSA. The Patriot Act makes me sick because it trampled on what was left of the Bill of Rights. Cops routinely stop people and steal their stuff using unconstitutional forfeiture laws.

Our schools suck now. It's really hard for kids to get any kind of a decent education because of these conservative ideologues who think they can just rewrite history the way they want it. Teachers are so busy getting kids ready to take stupid tests that they can't teach them to think. Did you know that schools don't teach kids typing any more? That's right. Not on the test.

If even 10% of Americans are educated by Bernie's message, then maybe things will change. Bernie is calling for a political revolution, meaning that if we're to have a government of, by and for us, the people, then we're going to have to get active and informed and wrest it away from these corporatists.

But cheer up. All is not bad. Lots of people are doing lots of really good things at the local level. Slow money, slow food, micro lending, B corporations, employee owned coops. All this stuff is happening, because many local thought leaders recognize the neoliberal model is unsustainable and so they are seeking to expand their economies in regenerative ways. The occupy movement brought the concept of inequality of wealth into American living rooms, and now Bernie is pounding that message in all across the nation to thousands of people like us.

And you know, I hope it works, because if the oligarchs don't toss the middle class some pretty big bones we have maybe 20 years until massive social unrest and revolution. At age 57, I am glad I'll be dead by then because I don't want to live through that at all. I'm hoping we can achieve more equity over the next few years by working through the system, even though it is stacked against us.

Of course, all this may be moot if climate change accelerates as quickly as scientists are projecting. This earth might have a mass extinction of species, including us. So, let's cheer for Bernie, say 'screw the establishment' and try our best to get him elected!

Tilt at this windmill with me one more time.

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Reply Why is Bernie in this race? Everybody is saying he can't win, but.... (Original post)
PatrickforO Sep 2015 OP
Scootaloo Sep 2015 #1
Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #7
BeanMusical Sep 2015 #12
MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #15
wendylaroux Sep 2015 #26
djean111 Sep 2015 #2
portlander23 Sep 2015 #3
Catherina Sep 2015 #4
BeanMusical Sep 2015 #11
R. P. McMurphy Sep 2015 #22
RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #27
SheilaT Sep 2015 #5
restorefreedom Sep 2015 #18
SheilaT Sep 2015 #30
marym625 Sep 2015 #6
Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #8
marym625 Sep 2015 #10
raouldukelives Sep 2015 #17
Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #9
in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #13
mhatrw Sep 2015 #14
SheilaT Sep 2015 #16
99Forever Sep 2015 #19
restorefreedom Sep 2015 #20
Hortensis Sep 2015 #21
pinebox Sep 2015 #23
Hortensis Sep 2015 #31
Skwmom Sep 2015 #24
jwirr Sep 2015 #25
TBF Sep 2015 #28
HassleCat Sep 2015 #29

Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:48 AM

1. "Everyone" consists primarily of some right-wing Democrats and their pocketbooks

 

Maybe consider "everyone else"? We don't own any syndicated magazones or cable networks, but we're out here too

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:23 AM

7. No kidding. Everyone, my foot.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:33 AM

12. +1

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:15 AM

15. Jury results:

On Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

"Everyone" consists primarily of some right-wing Democrats and their pocketbooks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=603580

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Because those who support the actual Democratic Party frontrunner must be "Right wing"?

This is exactly the kind of crap that's turning this site into a toilette. Bernie supporters are not "loons", and Hillary supporters are not "right wing".

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:50 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: supporting a Democratic candidate is not right wing, no matter how many times you say it. The alerter is right in their critique (r/t posts about Clinton and Sanders), this has gotten ridiculous
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter has added words the OP did not say, such as "loons" and "right wing." If you have to lie in you accusation, you should probably just stop alerting.
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Explanation: I agree with the alerter that "everybody" is maybe not the best word, but it isn't rude or over the top, and, compared to the other stuff in this forum, is relatively civil. ( How many more months of this primary? We haven't even started the debates, and I'm already tired)
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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:40 PM

26. And there are more of us...

now isn't there?

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:49 AM

2. Obviously, everybody is not saying he can't win. Seems like Hillary supporters say it a LOT, though

 

so it must seem like everybody is saying it. Personally, there is nothing about Hillary that I consider a "win", so i will be sticking with Bernie.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:50 AM

3. I take him at his word

 

He says he's running to win. Good enough for me.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:51 AM

4. *Unelectable* is corporate-speak for *can't be bought*. K&R! n/t

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Response to Catherina (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:32 AM

11. +1

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Response to Catherina (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:07 AM

22. Good one! eom

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Response to Catherina (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:41 PM

27. "Unelectable" is also an appalling tautology

People won't vote for him because they say he's unelectable.
Why do people say he's unelectable?
Because people won't vote for him.
Why won't people vote for him?

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:56 AM

5. I have some vague memory of some guy

 

back in 2008. Couldn't possibly win. He'd just been elected to the U.S. Senate, after a bit of time in the Illinois legislature. I'm thinking he made some sort of speech at the National Convention. For Democrats. He seemed to have a bright future. Whatever happened to him?

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:07 AM

18. and he had a different sounding name.....

what was it again?

love it!

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:52 PM

30. Yeah, something odd.

 

He seemed to have a very bright future in politics. Hope we hear from him again someday.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:13 AM

6. He is running to win. He will win.

There has been nothing to indicate otherwise.

He studied it greatly prior to throwing his hat in the ring. He is running in the Democratic primary to increase his chances. He is taking money from those that can ill afford it because he knows we need him to win.

Saying anything else is disingenuous at best and a right wing/third way hit job at worst

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Response to marym625 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:25 AM

8. Bernie is converting the apathetic and cynical into engaged Americans. It's almost miraculous.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:46 AM

10. That's some serious truth!

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:39 AM

17. Amen to that. nt

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Response to marym625 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:26 AM

9. He is moving people and those people are making me proud of my country again.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:52 AM

13. No one runs for president who doesn't want to run.

It's just too much work and too expensive to not have the desire to do it. Granted, he's not doing it for his ego, like other people we know are, Bernie is doing it for US - WE THE PEOPLE.

The least we can do to show him our appreciation is work our butts off and get him elected. Like he always says, "This it isn't about me, it's about you."

Great post, PatrickforO

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:12 AM

14. in it to win it

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:22 AM

16. Who is this everyone of whom you speak?

 

He is in it to win. He's said so himself.

And mostly those who say he can't possibly win are those who support Hillary Clinton, and with all due respect to them, they're terrified of him. He's been gaining support steadily for months now, totally undermining her claim to inevitability.

He talks about things people really care about, such as income inequality.

Oh, and if all of our schools are so terrible, why do the top tier schools remain so competitive? Why to people from around the world flock to our universities? I get so tired of that claim, that our schools are awful, just awful, that I could scream. Yeah, some of them aren't very good at all, but many of them are quite good. I think that enrollment in AP classes is high, and the taking of the AP exams is likewise high. And that's the best indication of the quality of our high schools out there.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:15 AM

19. He not only can win...

... he will.

And it's really pissing off the obscenely rich and their bought and paid for lap dogs.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:21 AM

20. thank you for this op, Patrick

i replied back to you before i saw this..so glad this is an op!

i think the people most vocal about his "inability" to win are the ones with the most to lose. hillary and her team, her surrogates, the corporate bigwigs, m$m which is also corporate, party leaders who imo would rather see a r in the wh than sanders, wow that certainly does sound like everybody...

the thing on your list that worries me the most is climate change. many human and material things (broken schools, bad prisons,etc) can be fixed if we have the money, the will, and the talent. but mother earth has a will and momentum all her own, and things that usually happen on a much longer geological schedule are happening more quickly. our ability to mitigate that will be limited, american "exceptionalism" and trump's inflated ego notwithstanding. our elected leaders in 2016, both in congress and the wh, will have to respect this reality and not tout their "economic concerns" as a cover for their ignorance and science denial (i am speaking about much of the rep field, of course). i do hope that bernie emphasizes this more in his message, because in addition to income and wealth inequality, climate change is the premier world issue. isis and vaccines for ebola will not matter if the planet cannot sustain life.

and bernie has said in almost every interview that he can't be in this alone...it has to be a team, a movement, a revolution, that is how we might be able to handle climate change and the other issues.

together, we just might pull it off......

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:40 AM

21. We the People gave ourselves the means of revolution every 2 years.

Whether we exercise that right is NOT dependent on Bernie's fortunes. It is dependent on us.

We the People created our problems over decades of bad citizenship. WE trashed our system of government of the people, by the people, and for the people -- not some vague "them" -- and WE can fix it if we choose. We, the middle and left, have done it before, under strikingly similar circumstances.


From Empty Vessel at Daily Kos: "... only 5-7.5% of eligible voters vote in the democratic primary. If you could get only 1 out of every 5 non-voters to vote for a progressive candidate in the democratic primary...you would take over the democratic party....

Let me phrase this all even more simply. If you can get a mere 7.5% of this nation to spend an hour or two once every two years in the primary to vote for a progressive candidate...you own the democratic party. If you get 30% of the nation to spend a couple hours every 4 years voting for that candidate in the general election...you own the United States of America."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/28/1397488/-So-You-Say-You-Want-a-Revolution[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/28/1397488/-So-You-Say-You-Want-a-Revolution|





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Response to Hortensis (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:20 AM

23. Not too sure about that

 

We the People gave ourselves the means of revolution every 2 years.


Just no. Nope. Not even close. A revolution of what? There is no revolution within the old guard. Absolutely zero. Same talking points, different day, week, month, year. That isn't a revolution, that's complacency and that is one huge reason why people are supporting Sanders. Fresh ideas, not tied to a national party and people are sick of politicians and politics on both sides of the aisle. Sanders being a very fresh face and very fresh ideas which resonate with the populace.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #23)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:17 AM

31. It's happened many times, many places, when others did it. Can do! But, will do..?

And, please, read that article. It's totally NOT about the "old guard." It's about the "We can't change anything anyway" people who don't realize their power.

And maybe on primary day invite a perpetually-defeated neighbor to lunch and just take a little detour by your polling place first... Make of winner of him.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:31 AM

24. And the manipulation continues. After the first portion, I stopped reading....

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:35 PM

25. I think it is both. He started hoping that we could

get the issues out there as you say.

But as he said on Rachel last night he is amazed and stunned at the support he is getting. As he saw the support he realized that he had to stay in the race - never for himself but for all of us who know we need to change things. He is building a movement to bring about the change.

If he wins that is to the good but last night he also said that if he loses he will join our movement to continue the fight.

He is in it to win it and that promise moves beyond who gets to the WH. For the sake of our movement it is to our advantage that he wins the WH because then we can put our attention on the Congress and SCOTUS. If Hillary wins then we may end up having to fight some of her ideas also.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:42 PM

28. Y'all can spin until the cows come home

And that still will not force me to vote for a centrist.

Bernie is my candidate.

Not Hillary, not Joe Biden.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:47 PM

29. OK, but

 

Let's not jump to the conclusion that Sanders is doing this just to give more visibility to particular issues, or to pull the party to the left, or to provide cover from the left for the party, or anything else. I prefer to think he can win, against admittedly huge odds, and here's why I prefer to think that way.

Back in college, I was the chair of the college Democratic organization, and I set up an appearance for Jesse Jackson. This is when he was climbing in the polls, attracting national attention, getting a pretty good buzz going. His speech and rally were a big success, but his campaign people told me something that surprised me. They said Jackson was not really in it to win, just to elevate certain issues and influence the discussion. Learning that, it did not surprise me when his campaign stalled a few weeks later. He was not in it to win.

It's true that voters are unlikely to catch on and vote for a progressive over a third way Democrat, but it could happen. Stranger things have occurred. It certainly will not happen if we think it's impossible, if we think f Sanders as just a way to raise the quality of the discussion, if we make what I call the Jesse Jackson mistake.

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