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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:00 PM Jul 2012

"In the long run, is the GOP dead?"

Sorry, but this is a Pat Buchanan article. I know he's an arrogant racist ass but he describes some issues that are real and are squarely on the minds of many in GOP.

Im not going to post any of the text.. just the link. The crux of the article is that demographics are changing and unless the GOP finds a way to attract minorities and younger people they are finished... which is absolutely true. Buchanan says this year may the GOP's last hurrah if Romney somehow manages to win. He also says once Texas goes, and it will go Dem eventually, its all over for the GOPers.

Limbaugh discussed this article at length today in a solemn serious manner. The Republicans are extremely worried about this issue. Im also worried what they are capable of doing once they realize they are finished.

Here's the article link:

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/07/27/in-the-long-run-is-the-gop-dead/

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"In the long run, is the GOP dead?" (Original Post) DCBob Jul 2012 OP
There's always going to be a right wing party in any democracy around the world samething goes craigmatic Jul 2012 #1
Short answer yes. Kalidurga Jul 2012 #2
I'm not a fan of Pat Buchanan, but I did use to listen to RKP5637 Jul 2012 #3
yes, he often makes compelling statements. DCBob Jul 2012 #6
+1 I agree they are domestic terrorists. Worried they will force a dictatorship on us. LiberalLoner Jul 2012 #11
They would if they could (I think), some type of theocratic dictatorial RKP5637 Jul 2012 #15
They may have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel but, SoutherDem Jul 2012 #4
Yes, I have seen an opossum play dead then turn vicious when they realize it didnt work. DCBob Jul 2012 #8
That's an excellent analogy! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #16
I agree 100% cheezmaka Jul 2012 #67
As long as there are plutocrats, oligarchs, or fascists,... KansDem Jul 2012 #5
I think you misunderstood Enrique Jul 2012 #7
You are correct. DCBob Jul 2012 #10
Interesting article proud patriot Jul 2012 #9
I made a similar post 8 days ago (no responses). Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #12
Good analysis. DCBob Jul 2012 #14
Have the Tories died in England? xchrom Jul 2012 #13
The rotten GOP controls PA completely, so I don't buy that here. We need to see some states AlinPA Jul 2012 #17
Im worried about PA too. DCBob Jul 2012 #18
NC may be out of the question, I'm afraid. AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #21
I dont think NC is "out of the question" DCBob Jul 2012 #24
And frankly, I'm a little skeptical about the closest polls...... AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #46
Having the convention there should be boost as well. DCBob Jul 2012 #49
FL is by no means safe. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #64
Heh, maybe. AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #71
If by chance Obama doesn't get PA cheezmaka Jul 2012 #68
GOP is attracting a certain minority CobaltBlue Jul 2012 #19
There is another factor this article only skirts. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #20
The problem with the demographic logic has always been. crimson77 Jul 2012 #22
Thats the kind of stuff I fear from a desperate cornered dying Republican party. DCBob Jul 2012 #23
Yes, and it's already happening. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #25
Exactly. DCBob Jul 2012 #50
This problem is no problem because Sam1 Jul 2012 #27
Problem is Cosmocat Jul 2012 #34
Got any stats on that? Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #54
My mother example was only a story to illustrate the pull of the RW media Cosmocat Jul 2012 #66
I think it's more about how satisfied one is with where they are in their life CrispyQ Jul 2012 #57
I see it with myself, I was in line at the grocery store and In front of me were crimson77 Jul 2012 #63
Not everyone, of course Cosmocat Jul 2012 #65
I think John Judis and Ruy Teixeira pointed out the demographic trends years ago. CBHagman Jul 2012 #26
Salon.com, October 31, 2002 Kolesar Jul 2012 #31
We've been hearing that bullshit for more than 10 years Doctor_J Jul 2012 #73
yes it is.... madrchsod Jul 2012 #28
There's an easy way for them to attract minorities and younger people... JHB Jul 2012 #29
I was not aware that food stamps and welfare checks were the "Latino" cultural identity Kolesar Jul 2012 #30
It's hard to attract minorities and others when your madinmaryland Jul 2012 #32
It won't die but will become more radical Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #33
Thats what should concern all of us. DCBob Jul 2012 #38
Like starting a war against the wrong country - lovemydog Jul 2012 #47
I thought this in 2008 ... Cosmocat Jul 2012 #35
Yeah, the "liberal media" may be their saving grace. DCBob Jul 2012 #37
Demographics, and education lovemydog Jul 2012 #48
Yep Cosmocat Jul 2012 #53
The 1% and their running dogs vs. the social conservatives. Bosso 63 Jul 2012 #36
The problem is that young people get older and start becoming more conservative Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #39
Buchanan makes this point, which means more then people getting older. Jennicut Jul 2012 #40
fundy churches greymattermom Jul 2012 #41
Heh heh. sofa king Jul 2012 #42
They have poisoned themselves with the Minorities who will soon be in the Majority. MjolnirTime Jul 2012 #43
Hey.. DCBob Jul 2012 #45
You know that Santorum or Gingrich would have given us the House back, right? MjolnirTime Jul 2012 #59
I doubt it... they might have actually re-invigorated the RW cons. DCBob Jul 2012 #60
In the long run, they ARE done... dougtaylor Jul 2012 #44
The issue they are worried about is that their message of hate and fear is being rejected. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #51
Of course its "GOP horseshit"... Buchanan wrote it. DCBob Jul 2012 #52
Just try to keep in mind that Pat is hugely racist and homophobic, antisimetic and sexist Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #55
Its only presented seriously in the context of how the RW brain thinks. DCBob Jul 2012 #56
No it's not Doctor_J Jul 2012 #74
Pat Buchanan mentions demographic shifts likely hurting the GOPee, Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #58
because the trends have be going on that way for several decades. DCBob Jul 2012 #61
Let us hope so. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #62
This is why a desperate party will turn in 2016 to Jeb, whose wife is a Mexican born American grantcart Jul 2012 #69
If conservative christians (who aren't rich) abandon the party, the GOP will be dead. killbotfactory Jul 2012 #70
Why the hell are posts from Human Events allowed here? Doctor_J Jul 2012 #72
 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
1. There's always going to be a right wing party in any democracy around the world samething goes
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jul 2012

for the left. But we may soon enter a period of the Democratic party being the dominant party in presidential politics. It's long over due.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Short answer yes.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:05 PM
Jul 2012

I hope Romney loses. It would probably be in the GOPs best interest if Romney loses though. I think Romney could single handedly tarnish the GOP brand even worse than GW did. After all McCain didn't lose by that much. But, after a Romney WH well, I don't think Romney would be invited to give any endorsements or to help campaign for any other GOPers. Bush was politely turned down. I don't think they will be polite with Romney.

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
3. I'm not a fan of Pat Buchanan, but I did use to listen to
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jul 2012

him on MSNBC. Several times there he said similar. Sometimes, he hits the nail square on the head, and this (I think) is one of those times.

Following the path the GOP wants, America will cease to exist for most Americans, they will be excluded in one way or another. IMO the GOP is completely obsolete, and as more come to realize this the GOP will be extinct.

I've often thought of the GOP as Domestic Terrorists, so I too am worried about what they are capable of as they become closer to being extinct.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. yes, he often makes compelling statements.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012

I think thats why Tweety liked to have him on his show.

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
15. They would if they could (I think), some type of theocratic dictatorial
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

dystopia. I'm always concerned too many Americans take everything for granted and believe many are for the best interests of the country. That might have been true at one time, but anymore not so true IMO.


SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
4. They may have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel but,
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jul 2012

I want to focus on something you said;

Im also worried what they are capable of doing once they realize they are finished.

If you have never seen a opossum get cornered, it isn't pretty. They of course first play dead, hoping you will ignore then while they escape to fight another day, but if you continue to approach they turn into an extremely vicious animal willing to kill by ripping you to threads to save their lives.

I can see the Republicans do the same thing. First they may play nice, hoping we will back off, but before giving up they will be willing to rip the country to threads to survive.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. Yes, I have seen an opossum play dead then turn vicious when they realize it didnt work.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012

excellent analogy... although I hope that does not happen.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
67. I agree 100%
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jul 2012

Seems like to me that's what they may be doing in the House right now... blocking the Jobs Bill and every bit of legislature by the Democrats all at the DEMISE of the Country!

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
5. As long as there are plutocrats, oligarchs, or fascists,...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jul 2012

...there'll be the Repubs.

Or a facsimile thereof.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. I think you misunderstood
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jul 2012

finding a way to attract minorities doesnt sound like Pat, and in fact in the article he does not say that, he actually says that is hopeless since they are all dependent on welfare so they will never vote GOP.

I think Pats solution to the problem is fascism, though he doesnt come out and say it.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. You are correct.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jul 2012

I must have gotten that from something Limbaugh said today. I think he thinks there is still hope if the GOPers can convince minorities that Democrats are actually to blame for their struggles... fat chance.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. I made a similar post 8 days ago (no responses).
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002975365

Reposting in full



The Future Of The Republican Party (Retroactively from 2010)

I think we need to hold out for eight more years. If we can keep their voter suppression and rigged voting machines in check for just eight more years we just might have a chance at breaking the back of the Republican party and finally moving this country forward in the direction it was intended to move in, toward equality and fairness for all it's citizens.



http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/aia2010031101/

^snip^




The increase in the nonwhite share of the electorate over the next decade will have major consequences for electoral competition. If the Democratic Party is able to maintain anything close to the overwhelming advantage among nonwhite voters that it enjoyed in 2008, Republican candidates will need to win a considerably larger share of the white vote than their party’s candidates did in 2008 or even 2004 in order to remain competitive in national elections. Under these circumstances, even a 60 percent share of the white vote would not be enough to give a Republican candidate a majority of the popular vote and the last Republican presidential candidate to win more than 60 percent of the white vote was Ronald Reagan in 1984.

An alternative path to victory for Republicans in future national elections would involve seeking to expand their Party’s support among nonwhite voters. By winning a larger share of the nonwhite vote, a Republican candidate could be elected with considerably less than 60 percent of the white vote. But this would require the GOP to move away from its conservative base and closer to the ideological center because nonwhite voters tend to be strong supporters of increased spending on social programs and activist government.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Along the same lines, 65 percent of nonwhite voters, including 64 percent of African-American voters and 73 percent of Hispanic voters, supported the creation of a single-payer health care system in the United States compared with only 15 percent of Republican primary voters. And given a choice between more government services with higher taxes and fewer government services with lower taxes, 67 percent of nonwhite voters, including 67 percent of African-American voters and 68 percent of Hispanic voters, chose more government services with higher taxes compared with only 25 percent of GOP primary voters.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. Good analysis.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jul 2012

It will be interesting to see how the GOP "deals" with this issue. We as Democrats need to be prepared for almost anything. They are like a cornered wild animal.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
13. Have the Tories died in England?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jul 2012

Or conservatives in Spain?

There will always be a knee jerk party.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
17. The rotten GOP controls PA completely, so I don't buy that here. We need to see some states
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jul 2012

change to Democratic.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. Im worried about PA too.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:08 PM
Jul 2012

I think even if the GOP is able to steal it we will probably win some other states to more than make up for it... eg OH, VA, NC, FL.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
21. NC may be out of the question, I'm afraid.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:47 AM
Jul 2012

FL and VA may be safe, I think, especially in the former, thanks to Rick Scott's B.S.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. I dont think NC is "out of the question"
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 06:36 AM
Jul 2012

Here are the latest polls..

RCP Average 6/24 - 7/18 -- 47.0 46.6 Romney +0.4
Civitas (R) 7/16 - 7/18 600 LV 49 48 Romney +1
PPP (D) 7/5 - 7/8 775 RV 46 47 Obama +1
Project New America/Myers (D) 7/1 - 7/8 500 LV 49 48 Romney +1
NBC News/Marist 6/24 - 6/25 1019 RV 44 46 Obama +2


Looks about as tight as it possible could get. Toss up for sure at this point.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
46. And frankly, I'm a little skeptical about the closest polls......
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:17 AM
Jul 2012

This may be good news here. Usually, when most polls show the President slightly ahead, he's usually doing notably better than it would seem, so we may win North Carolina after all.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
49. Having the convention there should be boost as well.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:11 AM
Jul 2012

I think we can take NC if things go well between now and Nov.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
64. FL is by no means safe.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jul 2012

Despite Scott's unpopularity and the Dems numerical superiority, FL will be a toss-up. Dem Party of Fl is pretty dysfunctional, they have a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
71. Heh, maybe.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:09 AM
Jul 2012

Even so, We've got plenty of support. Even if Ohio AND Florida go Republican, there's still Virginia.....It may be a southern state, but it's definitely going more and more Democratic by the day.

Romney CANNOT win this legally. The only surefire way for him to win would be for the GOP to game at least Florida and Pa., and hope that Ohio goes Republican as well.....although given that Wisconsin's voter ID law was vetoed, twice, and the fact that a lot of grassroots effort's been made to fight the Pa. law, there IS hope.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
68. If by chance Obama doesn't get PA
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:08 PM
Jul 2012

two other scenarios would have to play out. If he wins Ohio and Florida, he wins the "election" even if all the other battleground states are RED. If he wins Ohio but doesn't win Florida, he would have to win NV,CO,IA, and NH.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
19. GOP is attracting a certain minority
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:58 PM
Jul 2012

GOP is attracting a certain minority.

The 1 percent.

This year's election will be Mitt Romney trying to get the 1 percent to buy him the 2012 United States presidential election.

(Consider Gov. Scott Walker, R-Wisconsin.)

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
20. There is another factor this article only skirts.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jul 2012

I heard on one of the talk radio shows today (either Thom Hartmann's or Jeff Santos' show, I can't remember which) that 45% of the current GOP are 55 years old or older. They may age themselves into oblivion, along with the help of the changing demographics.

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
22. The problem with the demographic logic has always been.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:41 AM
Jul 2012

Sure we may get the Presidency, but it will be a toothless Executive. Why because unless they change the rules, 2 senators come from each state. So when demographagedeon happens, All the republicans need is 21 states to send their 2 senators to Washington to stop everything. Remember all the pissing and moaning during ACA, now imagine that on steriods. That's our future.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
23. Thats the kind of stuff I fear from a desperate cornered dying Republican party.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 06:05 AM
Jul 2012

They will use whatever limited power they have left to stop this nation from becoming more liberal/progressive even if it means destroying it in the process.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
25. Yes, and it's already happening.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:02 AM
Jul 2012

That's why we have all these voter purges and voter suppression laws being passed in states where they control the government. They're writing it all into law, hoping it sticks, and they'll reach their dream of a one party system.

The same goes for all of the teabagger shit that's being passed in the House. And, as you pointed out DCBob, the filibustering in the Senate. Fortunately, Harry Reid said that if the Dems retain the Senate, he WILL be changing the rules.

Sam1

(498 posts)
27. This problem is no problem because
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:20 AM
Jul 2012

the filibuster rules are a matter internal to the Senate and can be changed by simple majority vote at the beginning of each session.

The filibuster may have made some sort of sense before Lincoln made the United States Of America "..one Nation.." but not anymore.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
34. Problem is
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jul 2012

that people tend to turn "conservative" as they get older.

My mother was a Kennedy democrat who had connections to the county democratic party into her 40s.

She got into CNN when if first got big in the late 80s/early 90s, then ended up moving to Faux in the late 90s/into the 2000s. She also slipped into dementia, and that allowed Faux to assimilate her.

The older people get, the most liable they are to be sucked into their BS.

The older folks, the folks more liable to vote, are probably always going to at least lean "conservative."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
54. Got any stats on that?
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:00 AM
Jul 2012

What happened to your mother is not enough to make a rule applying to all. It is not something I see in my life at all. My Aunt passed away at 90+ last year, always Democratic, concerned that Obama would be too 'moderate' and wishing he was more liberal. So now we have one story from each side. Does either story add up to a rule for the elderly? No, it does not.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
66. My mother example was only a story to illustrate the pull of the RW media
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jul 2012

They do, just common sense and experience.

Does that mean every person veers that direction.

No.

Winston Churchill had it right in general.


[link:http://neuropolitics.org/Aging-Induced%20Conservatism%20and%20the%20Right%20Hemisphere%20Aging%20Hypothesis.htm|

The Liberal cohort indicated an age-dependent improvement in language comprehension performance to rival or exceed the performance of the Conservatives in the Over 60 age cohort. Concurrent with this language comprehension improvement is a shift towards more organized and unambiguous reality models for the Liberals. This corresponds to the general decline in right hemispheric cognitive functions, which interfere more with visuospatial performance than language comprehension. It also points to a more left hemisphere influenced thinking style, which is more prone towards stronger Conservative and Religious beliefs. It also implies that an aging voting population will tend more towards Conservative and Religious agendas, all other environmental factors being equal.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
57. I think it's more about how satisfied one is with where they are in their life
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jul 2012

than it is their age. I saw the same thing happen with my mother - a turning away from the democratic party as she became more & more dissatisfied with her life.

When she started listening to Limbaugh in the early 90s it really accelerated! He is very good at getting people who are dissatisfied & vulnerable in their lives, to blame someone else for their problems. It's the fault of the gays, or the blacks or the Hispanics or the feminists - all who are liberal!

It's certainly not their own fault because they played by the rules all their life, so it must be someone else's fault. My mother made some disastrous decisions & she would never admit that a lot of her plight was due to those bad decisions. It was easier to blame someone else.

I sent her that "Joe Conservative" commentary & asked her, "What is it about these policies that you object to?" & she couldn't answer. It was then that I knew she still believed in democratic values, but somewhere along the line she got it all skewed & thought they were just for some people, not all people.

We had a very conflicted relationship toward the end.

FWIW, I've gotten more & more liberal as I get older. I see that in my husband, too. So don't write all us old people off!

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
63. I see it with myself, I was in line at the grocery store and In front of me were
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jul 2012

2 regular looking guys. They were arguing with the woman working the register about how much money one of them had on their EBT card. Now I grew up poor in Section 8 housing, so I tend to not pass judgement on people about being poor. But these 2 guys were in there late 20's, looked perfectly heathly and there arguing with this poor woman who probably makes less then them all told. I work 2 rather unglamorous job's and go to school and these 2 idiots can't find one decent paying job between, hence becoming more conservative. END RANT

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
65. Not everyone, of course
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jul 2012

LOTS of good, SANE older folks.

You just see it more than not with most folks as they get older.

CBHagman

(16,982 posts)
26. I think John Judis and Ruy Teixeira pointed out the demographic trends years ago.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:16 AM
Jul 2012

However, I think money (which equals power) and media ownership specifically are still playing a role, and while I'm very optimistic about the demographic shifts and that the GOP is losing ground on many of its socially conservative wedge issues, I'm not certain how long it's going to take to shift the entire political ground.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
73. We've been hearing that bullshit for more than 10 years
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

and the 1/2-latino Texas gets redder every year.

Wake the fuck up.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
29. There's an easy way for them to attract minorities and younger people...
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jul 2012

...take everything Pat has written, everything he has said, everything he has done, and bind it together as a "What NOT To Do" manual.

The party is what you and your pals made it, Patsy.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
30. I was not aware that food stamps and welfare checks were the "Latino" cultural identity
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jul 2012

Almost nobody gets welfare checks in this country anymore; it is a small budget that goes to single mothers. Food stamps might give a family a few thousand dollars a year. Feed three people on $20/day?

I hated that racist premise in Fat Buchanan's article. However, I did find it interesting that by eliminating federal taxes for the working class, the GOP has given itself no "tax cuts tactic" with which to attract working class voters.

Like my ski buddy says: "sucks to be you, gop"

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. Thats what should concern all of us.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:41 AM
Jul 2012

How radical will they get? And what are they capable of? Ideological fanaticism can often lead to extreme actions.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
47. Like starting a war against the wrong country -
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:22 AM
Jul 2012

they did that.

Like advocating failed trickle down economics - they still do that.

As far as violent or unconstitutional extreme actions - I think they know it hurts their hold over their constituents.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
35. I thought this in 2008 ...
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jul 2012

After 2006 and 2008, I thought the republicans would be hard pressed to get any of the three branches moving forward.

Two years later, after the ginned up tea party BS and Ds going full retarded over unrealistic expecations of what BO could do, the Rs had a big majority in the House and the Ds held on to the Senate literally by a hair. This election, very likely the Rs hold the house with a decent margin AND get the senate.

GOD WILLING BO gets through November without anything major happening and hangs on, they will spend the next four years doing to him what they did to Clinton.

I get the point about demographics, but I am skeptical that it will swing the the tide of the country in the next few decades.

The Rs have a mortal lock on the "liberal media" and are able to move public opinion in any way they want 90% of the time. It is only when they screw up in a disastrous manner (like Iraq, and the dipsticks in this country waited until after 2004 so we were subjected to the disaster that was GWB for four more years to hold them accountable for it) that they can't drive public opinion.

What they sell, fear and the rejection of personal responsibility, are better than gold. It will ALWAYS sell, and again, they will ALWAYS have the media to pitch what they are selling.

Demographics have to swing VERY, VERY far to get past it ...

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
37. Yeah, the "liberal media" may be their saving grace.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jul 2012

Faux nooz, RW talk radio and rest of RW media will keep the ignorant masses brainwashed.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
53. Yep
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:31 AM
Jul 2012

And, they know that, and do whatever they possibly can to fight against our progression to a higher minded people ...

Bosso 63

(992 posts)
36. The 1% and their running dogs vs. the social conservatives.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jul 2012

Remember the Peanuts cartoon, where Lucy holds the football for Charlie Brown to kick? Lucy promises that "this time" she won't trick him, but of course she does. At the last second she pulls the ball and Charlie Brown lands on his back.
So it is with the GOP. The social conservatives get conned into doing the leg work for the GOP, but after the election they get tax cuts that benefit the rich Clearly, they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, but some day they will realize the game is rigged, and then the party is over.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
39. The problem is that young people get older and start becoming more conservative
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jul 2012

Certainly not all of them, many stay liberal their entire lives. But remember, a lot of baby boomers who were protesting Vietnam went on to help elect Reagan. Some of them even became Republican politicians.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
40. Buchanan makes this point, which means more then people getting older.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jul 2012

"Whites, already a minority in our two most populous states, will be less than half the U.S. population by 2041 and a minority in 10 states by 2020."

Conservative whites will slowly not be the majority anymore. Minorities will not be minorities anymore and are more traditionally liberal. That may change, but I have a hard time believing that they will suddenly become ultra conservative. Also, social views are changing among all ages. Gay rights are becoming more accepted by more then just people in their 20's and 30's. Religion has less of a role in people's lives. People are more connected with technology and less inclined to be controlled. And Repubs like to control people.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
41. fundy churches
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jul 2012

I wonder how their membership is doing. One of them in our area went bankrupt and was bought by the school district.

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
43. They have poisoned themselves with the Minorities who will soon be in the Majority.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:17 PM
Jul 2012

The Party of Old Rich White Men is finally about to find out the true meaning of a Melting Pot.

It has been a real long time a comin'.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
45. Hey..
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

Arent you the dude who was bashing me a few months for supposedy supporting Romney? Its not over yet, but the way things are going for Mitt-the twit, you have to admit we couldnt have chosen a better opponent. Right?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
60. I doubt it... they might have actually re-invigorated the RW cons.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jul 2012

Romney is a known factor, he's an idiot, boring and a guaranteed gaffe machine.

dougtaylor

(8 posts)
44. In the long run, they ARE done...
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jul 2012

Demographically they can't survive and compete. Especially if as they hang on now they refuse to govern.

The real question for Democrats is what are we going to do to make sure that we represent all of the people and gain then maintain a dominant governing majority. As good as this news is for us eventually, we still have bi questions to ask of ourselves.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
51. The issue they are worried about is that their message of hate and fear is being rejected.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:40 AM
Jul 2012

This is typical rw crap - I am sorry I followed the link. Now I see why you did not post an excerpt. You should have - to warn people away from Buchannons hateful shit. What he is saying is that the GOPs messages of hate, discrimination, religious exclusion and economic entitlement are alienating minority and white voters - and that they need to frame the message more carefully. That they need to better deceive the voters. To dupe them into voting against their interests.


In the long run, is the GOP dead?



Of the seven mega-states, California, New York and Illinois appear lost to the GOP. Pennsylvania has not gone Republican since 1988. Ohio and Florida, both crucial, are now swing states. Whites have become a minority in Texas. When Texas goes, America goes.

...

Half of all U.S. wage-earners pay no income tax. Yet that half and their families receive free education K-12, Medicaid, rent supplements, food stamps, earned income tax credits, Pell grants, welfare payments, unemployment checks and other benefits.

Why should poor, working- and middle-class Hispanics, the vast majority, vote for a party that will reduce taxes they don’t pay, but cut the benefits they do receive?

...

If your racial and ethnic voter base is aging, shrinking and dying, your moral code is being rejected, and the tax-consuming class has been allowed to grow to equal or to dwarf the taxpaying class, the Grand Old Party has a problem. But then so, too, does the country.




It may be based in reality, but he is lamenting the fact that GOP racist policies have alienated minorities. This is thinly veneered hate speech.

This is GOP horseshit.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
52. Of course its "GOP horseshit"... Buchanan wrote it.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jul 2012

I posted it to expose an issue that is seriously freaking them out. This is kind of stuff we need to know to keep track of these assholes and know where they might be headed.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
55. Just try to keep in mind that Pat is hugely racist and homophobic, antisimetic and sexist
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jul 2012

A couple Pat Classics to balance the presence of his writing being presented here seriously.

Pat Buchanan, 1992:
"integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable."
Same year, on Adolf Hitler:
"an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
56. Its only presented seriously in the context of how the RW brain thinks.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jul 2012

I think we all know Buchanan's background.

I just think this article will stir even more fear and anger in the "hearts" and "minds" of the RW cons. We need to monitor stuff like this to better strategize... "know your enemy".

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
58. Pat Buchanan mentions demographic shifts likely hurting the GOPee,
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jul 2012

but there is one thing that I have been skeptical about. There's all this talk about minorities eventually becoming the majority in a few decades, but how do people know for sure that trend will continue?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
61. because the trends have be going on that way for several decades.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jul 2012

why would they change any time soon?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
69. This is why a desperate party will turn in 2016 to Jeb, whose wife is a Mexican born American
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:17 PM
Jul 2012

and why they are happy to see Romney get killed in a landslide.

They want him out of the way and the party willing to leave the nuttery so they can try and bring it back to the middle.

Buchanan is right, if they don't turn around the non white vote, especially the Hispanic then they have no futre as a national party.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
70. If conservative christians (who aren't rich) abandon the party, the GOP will be dead.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jul 2012

then the Democrats will fracture into two parties, conservative dems and progressives.

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