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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:11 AM Sep 2015

To my Clinton supporter friends

If you are still going on about "Sanders supporters are (fill-in-the-blank) and therefore I am supporting Clinton, you need to check yourself. I mean really, really, really give it a hard think and try to get a hold of yourself.

Why?

Because it is simply fucking crazy to base your choice of who to support as POTUS based on some run-ins on the internet and some deluded assumptions of what Sanders is based on that.

It is pretty close to crazy land. Too close for comfort anyway. So check yo self.

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To my Clinton supporter friends (Original Post) Bonobo Sep 2015 OP
Just compare these 2 sites to see who has the problematic supporters jfern Sep 2015 #1
Yeah, if we are SO bad, why don't WE have a site dedicated to bad-mouthing people. Bonobo Sep 2015 #2
They think it is OK because it is the only thing they can do. Their candidate is like PatrickforO Sep 2015 #19
Wow. Dems making fun of someone's AGE? Beartracks Sep 2015 #26
No, it's a specific hit-thread on two DUers -- BMUS & AgingAmerican Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #38
I think that I'm going to be sick. Trashing BMUS and distorting who she really is... NealK Sep 2015 #42
It's sick alright. Now there's a hit-thread on SMC22307 as well Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #49
But since the truth of the letter is inherently impossible to know with 100% certainty Bonobo Sep 2015 #57
If she didn't want it talked about Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #62
You think it is most likely awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #131
Accusing Bravenak of sending that to herself awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #130
That 'letter' wasn't very convincing AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #140
Nothing would surprise me anymore. frylock Sep 2015 #143
Oh good grief. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #66
Are you trying to pretend Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #69
I have almost every Hillary supporter on ignore at this point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #81
Ah, that makes sense then. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #82
Exactly ... same here .... Trajan Sep 2015 #154
Bloodaxe is one of the most credible posters on this board. merrily Nov 2015 #170
(it was a misunderstanding, see posts #81, #82) Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #171
Yes, I saw it before I replied. I thought the reply was worth it, anyway merrily Nov 2015 #172
I find it hilarious that they are putting the hit threads in primarys. Lancero Sep 2015 #160
Thanks, NealK. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #108
No, here is what is so disgusting: Bonobo Sep 2015 #56
Agreed, that is just Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #65
BMUS is worth all of those jackasses added together hifiguy Sep 2015 #149
Another obsessed DU hate site. Fuck it and their asshole posters. morningfog Sep 2015 #164
Haha quickesst Sep 2015 #54
"pantsuits and cankles" TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #129
You do have a site dedicated to badmouthing... GitRDun Sep 2015 #153
My read on that first site is that it's not about Clinton at all. MindfulOne Sep 2015 #3
It reminds me of the 2004 election jfern Sep 2015 #4
The Dumpster! Or whatever the 'cave' calls their DU obsessed/bashing remote corner of the internet. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #7
If you put that side by side with the Cave's 'Dumpster', you couldn't tell them apart. polly7 Sep 2015 #10
Wow! MindfulOne Sep 2015 #13
Sorry that's hard on the eyes polly7 Sep 2015 #14
creepy as all get out reddread Sep 2015 #15
Yeah, check these out: cui bono Sep 2015 #20
Amazing. Just fucking amazing. mccallen Sep 2015 #53
"Don't even get me started on the Sanders asshole I hate him" frylock Sep 2015 #133
Hence the damage control effort under way. cui bono Sep 2015 #134
Bernie supporters are mentally unstable now? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #135
It's gone far beyond mere Bernie Derangement Syndrome.. frylock Sep 2015 #142
At least the Cavers don't pretend to be liberals. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #146
And don't forget - "His supporters are uneducated cultists" Lancero Sep 2015 #162
What I find very interesting in that pic is the one by Chae, just over halfway down... "OUR JURY" cui bono Sep 2015 #18
Wow. polly7 Sep 2015 #23
beam me up scottie posted that link from 2008: NealK Sep 2015 #40
Whoa .... polly7 Sep 2015 #101
This must be the thread that they conspired to get hidden 5-2 jfern Sep 2015 #36
That??? Wow. They really are thin skinned these days. cui bono Sep 2015 #37
I bet they tell all their fellow Hillary supporters when exactly they will alert jfern Sep 2015 #39
we have a rule against right wing sources dsc Sep 2015 #91
You think Bernie's supporters would post articles by an infamous Nazi? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92
maybe not dsc Sep 2015 #94
A HC supporter here linked to Stormfront and got sent on vacation for it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #95
and they should have dsc Sep 2015 #96
The Daily Caller is as bad as Stormfront??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #98
It was founded by a man dsc Sep 2015 #102
Nice strawman. Point out where I said such a vile thing. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #103
you said the Daily Caller wasn't as bad as Stormfront dsc Sep 2015 #104
Stormfront's registered users have committed over 100 murders. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #105
so they are better at convincing people dsc Sep 2015 #106
I posted an OP in the lgbt group about murdered trangender women. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #107
I think it is a great thread dsc Sep 2015 #110
Thanks. Who said the Daily Caller is different? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #112
so they are as bad as Stormfront dsc Sep 2015 #114
Their users didn't murder over 100 people but the hatred is equally vile. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #116
in response to the accusations about Bernie supporters, marym625 Nov 2015 #167
Your grandmother was a very smart woman. cui bono Nov 2015 #168
Thank you. She was an extraordinary woman who lived almost a century. marym625 Nov 2015 #169
meanwhile, their Black Lives Matter section is sitting at eight threads Scootaloo Sep 2015 #22
Give them time ...... polly7 Sep 2015 #24
The "Issues" forum wasn't even open for posting until it was ridiculed over here. cui bono Sep 2015 #25
They don't actually care about BLM jfern Sep 2015 #31
That doesn't even rise to the level of high school. hifiguy Sep 2015 #151
Maybe they don't remember why they are supporting her? artislife Sep 2015 #12
LOL MoveIt Sep 2015 #88
Lol, well, I would say the appropriate response to that is 'no contest'! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #5
Wow! Talk about hate filled. tecelote Sep 2015 #28
The only reason they hate Bernie is simple hifiguy Sep 2015 #152
I think basing support on the actions of supporters is idiotic. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #6
It's a 'talking point' most likely paid for with some of the Dark Money. They can't attack Bernie on sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #11
I'd bet fifty bucks that dark money is behind it. hifiguy Sep 2015 #156
Imo, there is no doubt about it! Talking points become easy to recognize after a while. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #158
Let them have their "safe haven" from all the dangerous Sandernistas..... Indepatriot Sep 2015 #8
They didn't even have their "Issues" forum open until yesterday!!! cui bono Sep 2015 #17
When your candidate has been on every side of an issue hifiguy Sep 2015 #155
there are many people who don't feel strongly or about the same towards all candidates JI7 Sep 2015 #9
OT, but I have to because Das EFX aidbo Sep 2015 #16
Because the attacks sound wingerish at best I'm not going to rule Hillary out, that's all uponit7771 Sep 2015 #21
I am supporting Clinton for reasons that have nothing to do murielm99 Sep 2015 #27
Yup. Eko Sep 2015 #33
Get real Murielm99 bl968 Sep 2015 #35
time for some self assessment dear Doctor_J Sep 2015 #51
+1 NealK Sep 2015 #84
The results are in. cloudbase Sep 2015 #122
So some hillarians think I'm not a real liberal, some think I'm "far left" Doctor_J Sep 2015 #123
+1 zillion treestar Sep 2015 #87
You accused Clinton of beating up an old man. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #29
Lol. Nonsense. Bonobo Sep 2015 #30
Yes, you did. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #32
It's a ridiculous lie you're making. Bonobo Sep 2015 #34
I love the fact that you have gone this far in reverse... NCTraveler Sep 2015 #43
Your bizarre claim is complete fantasy. Bonobo Sep 2015 #44
You self deleted it. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #45
Actually, the more you post this bizarre shit, the better. Bonobo Sep 2015 #46
Here's the video: NealK Sep 2015 #47
Shit, they edited out the part where she picked up a lead pipe and attacked him! Bonobo Sep 2015 #48
Thank you for pointing out their dishonesty. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #59
Ha ha ha. Bonobo Sep 2015 #64
How's the weather in Bizzaro World? NealK Sep 2015 #85
Hillary has such a lovely smirk... errr smile, don't you think? frylock Sep 2015 #138
I saw that and remember it well .. and yes, that is exactly what Bonobo was posting of. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #148
OMG Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #41
This is the perfect opportunity for me to wax eloquently on one of my favorite topics. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #50
Yeah, man, that was like a really righteous lesson, man. Bonobo Sep 2015 #52
Thank you. Your response prompted me to amend my post. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #55
You should have left it as it was. Bonobo Sep 2015 #58
Sir, you surrendered all credibility from the jump DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #61
Superficial attempts at appearing classy are oft betrayed in subtler ways. Bonobo Sep 2015 #63
lol DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #67
How true. Bonobo Sep 2015 #68
I am not a pipe aficionado but aren't corn cob pipes declasse or is that point? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #70
Perhaps a big Meerschaum would have been more classy, yes. Bonobo Sep 2015 #72
But not this DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #74
Sub-thread killer, that one. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #75
Addiction is no joke. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #78
I have friends who do the cigar thing on special get togethers. Bonobo Sep 2015 #79
"he would rather hang out with five ex-convicts than five intellectuals" - hmmmmmmmm. sibelian Sep 2015 #120
Not as crazy as thinking that a socialist would beat the GOP. DanTex Sep 2015 #60
You must think Hillary would draw more of the Republican and Indie vote then. Bonobo Sep 2015 #73
Eh, that's just an excuse. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #71
No it isn't at least in terms of the issues the supporters care about dsc Sep 2015 #76
Nonsense, if you are so unable to judge a person's nature that you must infer Bonobo Sep 2015 #77
His record in Congress also backs that view up dsc Sep 2015 #80
We were discussing whether making the decision based on clumsy inferences of supporters was wise. Bonobo Sep 2015 #83
where did I say counting the number of black people at a rally dsc Sep 2015 #90
Again, though, you make a good argument, the massive flaw is in your monolithic thinking. Bonobo Sep 2015 #93
that would sure be convincing treestar Sep 2015 #86
One of the things I've noticed ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #89
I've never held the actions of Sanders' supporters against him... brooklynite Sep 2015 #97
He polls better among Republicans than Republicans. MindfulOne Sep 2015 #100
Why are we discussing other sites? MineralMan Sep 2015 #99
Perhaps you should follow your own advice... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #109
Gosh, thanks. I think I'll follow my own thinking all around. MineralMan Sep 2015 #115
Well, gosh, yes... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #119
Because they want to make it about people, not issues treestar Sep 2015 #111
Are you referring to the posts in my op about anti-Semitism?: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #113
Lol! NealK Sep 2015 #163
Discussionist.com. JTFrog Sep 2015 #117
That's another website I don't use. MineralMan Sep 2015 #118
Members of thesite under discussion are also on the MIRT here sibelian Sep 2015 #121
You know what? Bring it up in ATA, then. MineralMan Sep 2015 #124
That is an excellent suggestion. sibelian Sep 2015 #126
I suggest being polite. The Admins don't have to answer questions MineralMan Sep 2015 #127
I was. sibelian Sep 2015 #128
Are those subtitles Polish? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #125
There seems to be a group of people who thrive on DU-related drama. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #132
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #136
Look in the mirror Taffy ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #137
Great post! Bonobo Sep 2015 #139
John Waters reference ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #141
Ah. Bonobo Sep 2015 #144
Naw! ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #145
The thing is... Bonobo Sep 2015 #147
I hear ya babe! ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #150
Democrats who are not supporting Sanders have plenty of reasons for their lack of support Gothmog Sep 2015 #157
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service The Straight Story Sep 2015 #159
LOL. Misguided alert. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #161
Recommended Autumn Nov 2015 #165
kicking because it doesn't matter how long ago pure hatred is spewed. cui bono Nov 2015 #166

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. Yeah, if we are SO bad, why don't WE have a site dedicated to bad-mouthing people.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:24 AM
Sep 2015

They have drawings of Sanders with drool coming out of his mouth, making fun of his age for fuck's sake.

If we had a separate site dedicated to photos showing pantsuits and cankles, we would justifiably be called disgusting.

What on earth makes them think that is okay?

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
19. They think it is OK because it is the only thing they can do. Their candidate is like
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:31 AM
Sep 2015

a wind sock, she's so poll-driven. Look at the Keystone Pipeline. She JUST came out against that, probably because a focus group told her campaign it would be a good idea...

See, they don't have anything to do but accuse us of being negative and out-of-hand, and our candidate of being somehow evil.

Our site is positive, on the other hand, because we are focused on the issues we've all cared about for years and years, and FINALLY now we have this great candidate that is actually going out there and TALKING about them. He won't take super PAC money, he flies coach and he's got 40 years of doing what he says he'll do. The guy's great. He's a great candidate and he'll make a great president, especially when he uses the bully pulpit to get us to shame these Republicans and Third Way assholes into doing the right thing, the moral thing for a change.

Bernie is our guy!


The 'fringe' candidate!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
38. No, it's a specific hit-thread on two DUers -- BMUS & AgingAmerican
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:56 AM
Sep 2015

BMUS is short for "beam me up scottie".

IMO, everybody in that thread should be given a serious look by admins. All but one are easily identifiable.


Edit: Sorry. Nevermind, I see. I thought the reference was to this thread:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=831&sid=c8077864f2a7e537059f5dd77ce7ab04

The bigoted stuff on that site, already, would need a catalog.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
42. I think that I'm going to be sick. Trashing BMUS and distorting who she really is...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:47 AM
Sep 2015

(I am not familiar with AgingAmerican but I'm sure that what they say is pure bullshit)

And there's this gem:

This is so great being away from that stupid shite. Their BS Meter is off the fucking charts. If I said what I thought on DU about this.. I would get a hide. But, since we know they're stalking.. I'm quite sure they can see this.


Talk about cognitive dissonance and projection. They continually say that they're sick of DU and DUers, that they're glad to be away from DU but all they obsessively talk about all the time is DU and some of them keep popping up here. How sad.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
49. It's sick alright. Now there's a hit-thread on SMC22307 as well
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:24 AM
Sep 2015

A new one, just started by Bravenak:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=833


The main gripe against SMC is that he/she doesn't buy the letter fiction. I don't either, but I got my only hidden post in 4 years for saying so. (It was worth it! and I decided that ahead of time.)


This one's interesting too, where Bravenak admits she's the source of that Froma Harrop garbage, prompting others to post it for her while she's suspended from DU:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=615

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
57. But since the truth of the letter is inherently impossible to know with 100% certainty
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:26 AM
Sep 2015

I don't think anyone should be accusing Bravenak of faking it --and the "backwards B" reference is going too far.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
62. If she didn't want it talked about
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:37 AM
Sep 2015

she didn't need to give it to one of her followers to put on DU; since she did choose to have it posted, my opinion on it is fair game, and that's my opinion. There is nothing in the "facts" that specifically precludes a backwards B. And until I see that, it's the most likely scenario, given what I have observed myself first-hand about that person.

The immediate point though, is the 3 hit-threads about DUers which are currently posted on that site as of this moment... The admins are very patient guys, but I know what I'd be doing if this were my site. I saw all I needed to see from that group some time ago, this is just the cherry on the sundae. This is the whole picture in full bloom.

So yes, I'm glad they formed their little site, so that they could really be themselves and people could get to see just what that looks like.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
130. Accusing Bravenak of sending that to herself
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:08 PM
Sep 2015

is beyond the pale. Anyone thinking that needs their head checked.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
66. Oh good grief.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:43 AM
Sep 2015
My reaction is the same -- yes, she is describing the REAL Bernie. A man in love with his own ideas while keeping his ears firmly shut. He has no endorsements from his colleagues for a reason - because he is simply impossible to work with. Even the most liberal among them think he's a jerk.

For me, I gave him the big middle finger years ago for the way he has dissed Obama. He's not fit to criticize Obama. He has accomplished NOTHING in 25 years of being on a government salary as an elected official.


This is the sort of ignorance folks are wrapping themselves up in?

The guy who's passed more amendments to bills than anyone else in the Senate has 'accomplished NOTHING'. The guy who was 100% responsible for billions of dollars being allotted to community clinics in the ACA has 'accomplished NOTHING'.

Truly astonishing levels of willful stupidity. When you have to lie to yourself and those around you to libel somebody, that's just pathetic.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
69. Are you trying to pretend
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:57 AM
Sep 2015

that you somehow missed all the posts about the Froma Harrop article(s)? The one posted several times under several titles in several threads which were all flamebait (from Bravenak as the 2nd link in my post shows) and as expected, resulted in a huge food fight for several days here?

Is that the story? You're trying to pretend that you just didn't see all that, and all that's at issue is that block quote excerpt in your post? Well if so, then all I can say is, I don't see everything that goes on around here, but you must miss a lot more than me.

And I see you ignored the first link which goes to the hit-thread on a DUer, one of 3 that are current now, who knows how many have already come and gone.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
81. I have almost every Hillary supporter on ignore at this point.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

So I can't even see the vast majority of idiocy that's being posted.

So no, I'm not 'pretending' I didn't see them, I actually am NOT seeing them, thanks to the way the 'ignore' function works.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
154. Exactly ... same here ....
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:49 PM
Sep 2015

I have every one of those posters on ignore - each one for posting specious, unfounded, fallacious stories or assertions against my preferred candidate ...

As far as I am concerned; if you are willing to issue posts that are demonstrably untrue, time after time, in order to degrade or debase the 'other candidate', then I don't want you in my world ...

I am pondering emptying my ignore list after the Primaries are over, in the spirit of reconciliation ... We shall see ...

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
171. (it was a misunderstanding, see posts #81, #82)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:48 AM
Nov 2015

EBA had people on ignore, whereas I don't, so his view of things was much different from mine.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
172. Yes, I saw it before I replied. I thought the reply was worth it, anyway
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:00 AM
Nov 2015

because one could always claim he's not being truthful about who he has on ignore. He would not lie , period. He's just not like that--and I have no off board relationship with the man. I just respect the heck out of his posts.

Lancero

(2,984 posts)
160. I find it hilarious that they are putting the hit threads in primarys.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:39 PM
Sep 2015

Unless they think calling for a hit job on DU members is critical for Hillary to win the Primaries, I don't really see why they'd be in that forum.

Still though, it's sad to see that many hit threads on a Democratic forum. Seeing the number of hit-threads, I coulda swore I took a wrong turn and landed in CU, CC, or Freep.

Edit - The more I look, the harder it is to believe that I'm not at one of the above. According to them, DU is filled with Bernie supporters, and that his supporters are misogynistic right-wing pieces of shit. Ergo, guess what DU is filled with?

The attacks between camps last election went straight downhill, anyone around 08 can remember just how civil things were between the Clinton and Obama camps. That things have gotten this bad so quickly is very saddening - We're Democrats, aren't we supposed to be better then the infighting Republicans? - but at the same time it shows just how afraid they are of the competition.

Haven't bothered checking yet, but I'd bet the above three sites are having a field day over DU splitting at the seems.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
108. Thanks, NealK.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

The inhabitants of the Cave hate me because of who I am too.

When bigots hate you you know you're doing something right.



Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
65. Agreed, that is just
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:42 AM
Sep 2015

euphemistically speaking, "a true reflection on whoever drew it and posted it". I.e., disgusting squared,

Given that HRC is no spring chicken either, it's an odd point to be making anyway.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
149. BMUS is worth all of those jackasses added together
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:35 PM
Sep 2015

and multiplied to the twentieth power.

That site is a sewer filled with zoo filth, and that is an insult to sewers. And zoo filth.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
54. Haha
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:17 AM
Sep 2015

"Yeah, if we are SO bad, why don't WE have a site dedicated to bad-mouthing people."

You already got one. And one with plenty of name recognition. Why would you need another?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,044 posts)
129. "pantsuits and cankles"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015


It's all pretty ridiculous. I'm for Bernie. I don't feel the need to bash HRC.
 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
3. My read on that first site is that it's not about Clinton at all.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:28 AM
Sep 2015

It's a place to go to kvetch about DU members who don't adore Secretary Clinton.

They want a place where they can mock us without getting posts hidden.
Just look at the topics, most are about Sanders supporters or DU members or DU.



jfern

(5,204 posts)
4. It reminds me of the 2004 election
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:30 AM
Sep 2015

I went to John Kerry's site. It was all about John Kerry.
I went to George Bush's site. It was also all about John Kerry.

When the economy is in the shitter and there's some war started for bogus reasons that turned into a quagmire, you don't run on your record. You run on destroying your opponent. Same deal here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. The Dumpster! Or whatever the 'cave' calls their DU obsessed/bashing remote corner of the internet.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:36 AM
Sep 2015

That's pretty bad! Thanks for going there so we don't have to! Ugh!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
10. If you put that side by side with the Cave's 'Dumpster', you couldn't tell them apart.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:40 AM
Sep 2015

For real.

Here's another:

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
15. creepy as all get out
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:05 AM
Sep 2015

to think my estimation of these posters could actually fall off a cliff.

wow.

 

mccallen

(24 posts)
53. Amazing. Just fucking amazing.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:14 AM
Sep 2015

... I am a Clinton supporter, and this is the first I'm seeing of it.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
133. "Don't even get me started on the Sanders asshole I hate him"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:22 PM
Sep 2015

and these shitbags have the audacity to call out "Hillary haters". Cognitive dissonance reigns supreme over there.

"It's full of unstable people." Just wow.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
134. Hence the damage control effort under way.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:36 PM
Sep 2015

Scrubbing the site, FINALLY opening up the "Issues" forum, posting an OP here saying how warm and fuzzy it is over there and posting more friendly posts in the visible area while keeping the smut hidden in private forums.

Low class all the way.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
135. Bernie supporters are mentally unstable now?
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:42 PM
Sep 2015

Jesus Christ.

They're the ones obsessing over us 24/7 like the inhabitants of the Cave.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
146. At least the Cavers don't pretend to be liberals.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:26 PM
Sep 2015

Sexism, racism, anti-Semitism, vicious attacks and stalking of people who can't fight back, it's hard to tell them apart, honestly.

Lancero

(2,984 posts)
162. And don't forget - "His supporters are uneducated cultists"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:12 PM
Sep 2015

Given their ranting about how DU is made up entirely of his supporters, it's not to hard to see what they think of this site and its staff.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
18. What I find very interesting in that pic is the one by Chae, just over halfway down... "OUR JURY"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:26 AM
Sep 2015

Really? "our jury"??!!??!!

See, they have tactics to stack the juries. There was an OP about how to do it in the Hillary group once upon a time. I saw it but could never find it again. They must have self-deleted it.

Our Jury just got a RW Hillary toon Hidden in the BS Group

Odd. I thought it was Sanders supporters who alert stalked. That coupled with the post that is up in another thread that shows George II bragging about alert stalking cali to get a fifth hide proves yet again, that whatever they accuse Bernie supporters of doing is exactly what they themselves are doing.

And I think it's pretty funny that Cha(e) is the one posting that considering the way she trashed Hillary with toons, calling her a LIAR and posting some really sexist toons about her when she ran against Obama. At least she's consistent with her hypocrisy.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
23. Wow.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:42 AM
Sep 2015

I didn't even notice that.

Yes, I think everything they complain about comes from their own first-hand knowledge .... because they've done it. That bragging about the hide and the dancing over it is absolutely pathetic, and from two MIRT members, no less.

I don't know of the previous Hillary toons, but that's pretty hypocritical, all right. Actually ............ all of it is. Don't think I've ever seen a bigger group of 'victims' who are being proven to be the ones who've actually done it all.

"Our jury" - Ha.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
40. beam me up scottie posted that link from 2008:
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:09 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6017420&mesg_id=6018254

Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun May-18-08 01:08 PM

7. Yeah, her negative shit came back to bite her in the ass and

Obama soared. Thanks hilary for being such a lying, pandering fighter for yourself when you didn't fight against bush one fucking iota.

We wouldn't be in Iraq if hilary and the Dems fought against bush like hilary LIED against Obama. All these people wouldn't be DEAD.








This is mind boggling. And we're the haters.


polly7

(20,582 posts)
101. Whoa ....
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:57 AM
Sep 2015

that's quite the loyalty switcharoo. Why would she be so angry at people who still have some of those same concerns? Doesn't even make sense.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
37. That??? Wow. They really are thin skinned these days.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:43 AM
Sep 2015

What's hide worthy about that?

I guess they really do have their own jury.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
39. I bet they tell all their fellow Hillary supporters when exactly they will alert
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:58 AM
Sep 2015

I've seen a lot of bogus alerts of Bernie supporters. It seems we are the ones being alert stalked and conspired against. Not them.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
91. we have a rule against right wing sources
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

or at least we are supposed to. That was a righteous hide on those grounds. I realize that many Bernie supporters would post articles by Goebbels if they were sufficiently anti Hillary in perspective but that isn't supposed to be done here. Also you can't conspire to hide posts it doesn't work that way.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
92. You think Bernie's supporters would post articles by an infamous Nazi?
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:35 AM
Sep 2015

Supporters of a man whose father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust?



It doesn't get more oot than that folks.

Especially considering it's HC supporters who are claiming Bernie is funded by israel - an anti-Semitic slur.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
94. maybe not
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:38 AM
Sep 2015

but we have seen articles posted by editorial writers for the Scaife paper out of Pittsburgh. We have seen articles by Bush's AG. We have seen the virulently anti gay and anti woman Daily Caller. We have seen the anti woman and anti gay Examiner. But maybe you guys are better about making sure Jews aren't offended but who knows at this point.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
95. A HC supporter here linked to Stormfront and got sent on vacation for it.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:45 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=486255


Another posted an anti-Semitic op using racial slurs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506371


Still another claimed blacks, lgbt people and women are "owned" by the Clintons.


And we're the ones who are offensive?

dsc

(52,130 posts)
96. and they should have
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:46 AM
Sep 2015

but I have yet to see any sanction at all for Sanders supporters bringing the stuff I highlighted. And I would be willing to bet a huge some of money you had not one negative word to say about those sources being used. And to be blunt the Daily Caller is as bad in regards to gays as Stormfront is to race.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
98. The Daily Caller is as bad as Stormfront???
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:51 AM
Sep 2015

I didn't see the article in question and the DC is a right-wing source but it's not a racist hate group.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
102. It was founded by a man
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:58 AM
Sep 2015

Tucker Carlon, who literally bragged about beating up a gay man. And yes, they don't hate races just gays, and the fact you don't see hating and beating up gays as being as bad as doing the same to other races speaks volumes.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
103. Nice strawman. Point out where I said such a vile thing.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

You're the one using Nazi references about the supporters of a Jewish candidate.

That speaks volumes about you.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
104. you said the Daily Caller wasn't as bad as Stormfront
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:04 AM
Sep 2015

well the Daily Caller routinely posts anti gay and anti transgender articles, and was founded by a man who bragged about beating up a gay man. You say that isn't as bad as Stormfront which does the same in regards to race. So why in your own words is Stormfront worse?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
105. Stormfront's registered users have committed over 100 murders.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015
STORMFRONT


Created by former Alabama Klan boss and long-time white supremacist Don Black in 1995, Stormfront was the first major hate site on the Internet. Claiming more than 300,000 registered members as of May 2015 (though far fewer remain active), the site has been a very popular online forum for white nationalists and other racial extremists. But a series of reverses — the 2008 assertion by Black’s wife that she was not a racist, a similar declaration by his son in 2010, and the Southern Poverty Law Center’s exposure of the identity of many Stormfront funders and the fact its registered users have been behind almost 100 murders — have caused a series of problems for the Web forum. Today, Black struggles with a continuing decline in site visitors, chronic financial problems and his own health issues.


Founded: 1995

Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Profiled Leadership: Don Black

Ideology: White Nationalist

Created by former Alabama Klan boss and long-time white supremacist Don Black in 1995, Stormfront was the first major hate site on the Internet. Claiming more than 300,000 registered members as of May 2015 (though far fewer remain active), the site has been a very popular online forum for white nationalists and other racial extremists. But a series of reverses — the 2008 assertion by Black’s wife that she was not a racist, a similar declaration by his son in 2010, and the Southern Poverty Law Center’s exposure of the identity of many Stormfront funders and the fact its registered users have been behind almost 100 murders — have caused a series of problems for the Web forum. Today, Black struggles with a continuing decline in site visitors, chronic financial problems and his own health issues.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/stormfront



So no, as horrific as the Daily Caller is, its registered users haven't murdered over 100 people for the cause.



dsc

(52,130 posts)
106. so they are better at convincing people
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:15 AM
Sep 2015

making them more effective. I have no idea how many of the people who murdered transgender women in the past year read the Daily Caller but I bet a few of them did.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
107. I posted an OP in the lgbt group about murdered trangender women.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015
Here Are 17 Of The Trans Women Murdered This Year. Say Their Names.



As well as an op about anti-Semitism yesterday:

Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer (a timely repost)



I abhor all bigotry and violence against minorities.

So the implication that I don't care about lgbt people who are affected by hate is bullshit.


dsc

(52,130 posts)
110. I think it is a great thread
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
Sep 2015

and point out something you said within it. You laid the blame, correctly it should be said, at the anti gay pastors who preach hate. Why is the Daily Caller different?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
112. Thanks. Who said the Daily Caller is different?
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:51 AM
Sep 2015

Have you read any of my screeds against religious leaders who preach hate towards lgbt people?

Because I'm kind of famous for them in some circles.

Here's two about transgender hatred:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=42797

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=42799

dsc

(52,130 posts)
114. so they are as bad as Stormfront
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

which is my point and they have no business at all being sited as sources here for the truth of what they posted.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. Their users didn't murder over 100 people but the hatred is equally vile.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:00 PM
Sep 2015

And I never claimed that they should be cited as sources here.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
167. in response to the accusations about Bernie supporters,
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

It's like my grandmother always said, suspicion haunts the guilty mind.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
169. Thank you. She was an extraordinary woman who lived almost a century.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

Born in County Cork, Ireland in 1890. Came to the U.S.,alone, in 1910 and lived until 1987. She was remarkable.

Loved Led Zeppelin too

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. meanwhile, their Black Lives Matter section is sitting at eight threads
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:34 AM
Sep 2015

The Environment section? One thread.

Priorities, I guess.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
25. The "Issues" forum wasn't even open for posting until it was ridiculed over here.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 03:02 AM
Sep 2015

They have their priorities straight. Shit slinging and hatred comes first, doncha know?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
151. That doesn't even rise to the level of high school.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
Sep 2015

That is grade-school. Or maybe pre-school.

"Their" juries?

Seriously, it's time to hand out some tombstones, Skinner.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
28. Wow! Talk about hate filled.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:10 AM
Sep 2015

It isn't about Hillary, it's about how much they hate Sanders.

That really says something.

Plus, I hope they stay there.They're as bad as tea partiers with all their anger filled comments.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
152. The only reason they hate Bernie is simple
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:48 PM
Sep 2015

He dared to challenge Her Royal Inevitability. It's THEIR TURN, dammit!!! And they are gonna kick and scream and hold their breath until that nasty Bernie goes away.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. It's a 'talking point' most likely paid for with some of the Dark Money. They can't attack Bernie on
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:40 AM
Sep 2015

the issues, so some 'brilliant' intern at one of those expensive Think Tanks came up with 'let's go after his supporters' which will 'trickle down' to HIM'.

Being all over Social Media I can say that neither Bernie or Hillary supporters are engaged in attacking each other. I rarely even see a mention of Hillary from Bernie supporters other than maybe a comparison of where they stand on the issues.

You KNOW it's a talking point when it gets gets repeated over and over and over again and from the 'sources'.

They're wasting their money, it isn't 'catching on' like the rest of the smears they've tried.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
8. Let them have their "safe haven" from all the dangerous Sandernistas.....
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:36 AM
Sep 2015

The more they hang there the less bullshit we'll have to refute here. I must say, I recall VERY FEW actual discussions of ISSUES with HRC supporters. They seek only to tear down Sanders and his supporters, and almost never debate issues. The reason of course, is that they CANNOT WIN ON THE ISSUES.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
17. They didn't even have their "Issues" forum open until yesterday!!!
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:20 AM
Sep 2015

And only AFTER it was pointed out several times on here that it was still "uder construction" or whatever it said. WTF.... all the hate filled forums were up and running and getting filled up immediately, but there was no will to get someone to make the 2-3 clicks it took to make a forum available for posting?!?!

But yeah, it's all about supporting Hillary and being warm and fuzzy over there... at least that's what they keep trying to convince us.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
155. When your candidate has been on every side of an issue
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:51 PM
Sep 2015

or won't tell you what she thinks until "after she's POTUS" you don't have much of a basis for argument.

JI7

(89,184 posts)
9. there are many people who don't feel strongly or about the same towards all candidates
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:38 AM
Sep 2015

in which case anything not directly relating to the candidate themselves could make them vote in different ways.

it wont make a difference to those who feel strongly towards a candidate.

but most voters don't feel that way.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
21. Because the attacks sound wingerish at best I'm not going to rule Hillary out, that's all
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:33 AM
Sep 2015

... but since the proffering against her is mainly a purity test that Sanders doesn't pass (he can throw no stones and I'm not going to go for slightly better) there's no good reason to cross her out right now

murielm99

(30,657 posts)
27. I am supporting Clinton for reasons that have nothing to do
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 03:56 AM
Sep 2015

with Sanders or his supporters.

The fact that I have been attacked by Sanders supporters on every level is something I find problematic. I have a right to support anyone I please.

I don't have a problem with Sanders. He is not my choice for a candidate. I DO have a problem with his supporters, here, and elsewhere on the Internet. Others have commented on the rude behavior of Sanders supporters. Articles have been written about it.

The fact that many DUers have chosen to go to another site to speak up about Sanders' supporters is their own business. The fact that all of you are so sensitive about it, that there have been so many threads about it, is your problem. I guess they struck a nerve.

Those people have left because they have been bullied and silenced on DU. I guess you are frustrated that you can't get at them over there. LMAO.

Eko

(7,170 posts)
33. Yup.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:33 AM
Sep 2015

I hear you. I like Sanders better than Clinton but am not sure he can win a national election. I cant stand people attacking anyone with smears and innuendo whether its Clinton or Sanders. It just seems like every day I log into my favorite democratic site I see more and more smears against one candidate and hardly none against the other. Then I get the "but they did this" as a response to me calling them out or its "satire" when said poster said it was exactly like they stated. Shoot, when I post about one candidates pro's I get comments about the other that have nothing whatsoever to do with the post and then have to engage in a lengthy discussion defending the other candidate against smears and accusations. I can post pros about Sanders and another on Clinton and get called out as a troll on the Clinton posts tenfold compared to the Sanders threads. People have been bullied and silenced, its gotten to the point that I would vote for Sander's in the primaries but would not want to talk to any supporters. But of course I'm a DINO, or a troll, or some other bs and am lying. I even got called out for saying how long I have been here when all anyone has to do is click on my name. Crazy.

bl968

(360 posts)
35. Get real Murielm99
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:36 AM
Sep 2015

Yes they had 3 articles saying basically the same exact thing appear on 3 different publications simultaneously LOL. The Clinton Machine is alive and well. One of them tried saying a clearly right wing person was a Bernie supporter. Once I looked at their tweets it was clearly a hard core libertarian, and a gamersgate supporter. Not even remotely a Bernie Sanders supporter.

The Corporate media is trying to hard to give Clinton supporters a workable weapon against Bernie Sanders supporters to shut them up, because thanks to them he beat the media blackout they tried to impose.

They think that if they can tar his supporters they can tar him, but it's not going to work, because Bernie Sanders can stand all on his own.

The only people who seem to have problems with Sanders supporters are Clinton supporters, who started out saying that Sanders had no chance at all, we see where that's going. It appears that Hillary Clinton will be losing Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Then you have those on the Right, who are scared so shitless that they will have to face Bernie's policies in the general election; that even Matt Drudge was posting on his site asking Biden to step in because they can read the cards just as well as I can and see that Sanders will win the nomination.

Disagreement is not an attack.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
51. time for some self assessment dear
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:25 AM
Sep 2015

Look carefully at the screen captures in this thread. Spend a half hour skimming the threads at hrs. If you still think that Sanders supporters are the ones being mean, you're living in an alternate reality.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
84. +1
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:08 AM
Sep 2015

From what is posted on that site they all live in an alternate reality. Some kind of Bizarro World.

cloudbase

(5,487 posts)
122. The results are in.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:19 PM
Sep 2015

On Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:58 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

time for some self assessment dear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=626820

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Belittling and sexist to call her "dear" this is over the top, and clearly illustrates the differences between Sanders supporters who are real liberals, this one isn't fooling anyone.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:11 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Having been guilty of this type of snark myself, I can't in good conscience hide this. As a Hillary supporter, I disagree of course. If I Wanted to spend time getting screen shots at DU vs a very small HRC site, Sanders supporters would not come out looking well. Ismnotwasm
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is responding to another undocumented attack on Sanders supporters. Anyone can claim to be a Sanders supporter or a Clinton supporter just to stir up hate. Under ordinary circumstances I would hide; these are not ordinary circumstances with continual vicious attacks by each camp against the other.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The petty bickering is getting very, very old, and we still have a year to go.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps the alerter is a tad too thin-skinned for the political arena. A self-assessment my just be what the Doctor ordered.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
123. So some hillarians think I'm not a real liberal, some think I'm "far left"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:04 PM
Sep 2015

They are a curious bunch.

And meanwhile the hillarians call bernistas "slave owners"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623651

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. You accused Clinton of beating up an old man.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:22 AM
Sep 2015

Your first claim was she literally did it herself. You then moved your thoughts to say she had him beat up. Seriously. That is the level of your political discussion and you can post this with a straight face. Love it.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
30. Lol. Nonsense.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:25 AM
Sep 2015

I never claimed Hillary beat up an old man.

But people at hillarysupporters.com sure are posting pictures of Bernie with drool coming out of his mouth, making fun of his age.

I hope you like your new hangout, Durham.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. Yes, you did.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:30 AM
Sep 2015

You let it stand for days before self deleting it. It's very well known around these parts. Nice try.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
34. It's a ridiculous lie you're making.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 04:35 AM
Sep 2015

Are you ACTUALLY saying that I said that Hillary beat up an old man??? That's the weirdest, stupidest accusation I ever heard!

I posted the video of her continuing to speak and smile as an old man was beaten up by security at her speech.

Is THAT what set off your hallucinatory gibberish here?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. I love the fact that you have gone this far in reverse...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:51 AM
Sep 2015

With your original claim. It is a thing of beauty.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
44. Your bizarre claim is complete fantasy.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:55 AM
Sep 2015

In your fevered imagination, you think I actually claimed that Hillary herself committed violence on a person, huh.

I'm sorry but if you think that happened, you are literally delusional.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. You self deleted it.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:01 AM
Sep 2015

You knew what you said couldn't be fully covered by editing it. You let it stand for days. Now, since your an issue kind of person, can make a couple of more insinuations as to my mental stability. Lol You're fun and have a lot of spunk.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
46. Actually, the more you post this bizarre shit, the better.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:07 AM
Sep 2015

Please keep going.

In fact, let me recap:

I posted a video that shows Hillary giving a speech. During the speech, a protestor is beaten up by security.
Unlike in many of Obama's speeches where there is a protestor, Hillary does NOT ask the security to leave the person alone. What she DOES do, is ignore that it is happening and keeps talking.

My OP was titled something like "Hillary keeps smiling and talking while an old man gets beaten up"

People got very upset but the only thing that could really be denied was that she was smiling when he was beaten. I think the video showed she was.

But did I ever say that SHE herself beat up an old man??? Hell no, that would be INSANE. But seriously the fact that you remember it that way is seriously worrisome.

I'm sure many, many people remember the OP. But I don't think anyone else will have your delusional memory of it.

That's the honest to god truth.

BUT YOU SAID that I said that Hillary herself physically beat an old man. Weird. I will repost your claims here in one second on edit just so you don't make them disappear.

You accused Clinton of beating up an old man.

NCTraveler (8,172 posts)
29. You accused Clinton of beating up an old man.

Your first claim was she literally did it herself. You then moved your thoughts to say she had him beat up. Seriously. That is the level of your political discussion and you can post this with a straight face. Love it.


NealK

(1,791 posts)
47. Here's the video:
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 06:47 AM
Sep 2015
As Hillary Talks About Tolerating Free Expression, Police in Front of Her Brutalize Ray McGovern for Turning His Back

As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday about the failures of foreign leaders to respect people's freedoms, a 71-year-old U.S. veteran Army officer, a man who spent 27 years in the CIA and delivered presidential daily briefs, a peace activist and proponent of nonviolence, the man who famously confronted Donald Rumsfeld for his war lies, the man who drafted our letter to Spain and delivered it to the Spanish Embassy on Monday, our friend Ray McGovern turned his back in silence. As Clinton continued to speak about respecting the rights of protesters, her guards -- including a uniformed policeman and an unidentified plain-clothed official -- grabbed Ray, dragged him off violently, brutalized him, double-cuffed him with metal handcuffs, and left him bleeding in jail. As he was hauled away (see video), Ray shouted "So this is America?" Clinton went right on mouthing her hypocrisies without a pause.








http://warisacrime.org/content/hillary-talks-about-tolerating-free-expression-police-front-her-brutalize-ray-mcgovern-turni

She's really a charming lady. And that's exactly what Bonobo is talking about.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
48. Shit, they edited out the part where she picked up a lead pipe and attacked him!
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:08 AM
Sep 2015

Lol, thanks for posting, but how the hell did she ever think I would have posted that video and then claimed that Hillary herself physically attacked!?

See what we're dealing with here?

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
64. Ha ha ha.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:42 AM
Sep 2015

If I were you, I would probably not show my face in this thread.

Don't worry, it will blow over.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
50. This is the perfect opportunity for me to wax eloquently on one of my favorite topics.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:24 AM
Sep 2015

There are people that are street smart and people that are book smart. I prefer the company of the former. As my buddy says he would rather hang out with five ex-convicts than five intellectuals. When it comes to street smarts and book smarts some folks have a paucity of the former and abundance of the latter or vice versa.

Some life's lessons they don't teach you in school:

-When someone tells you it's not personal it's always personal.

-When someone says it's not about the money it's always about the money.

-When someone prefaces his or her remarks with "no disrespect intended" , someone is about to be disrespected, hard!

-When someone refers to an amorphous group as "friends" the person making the reference considers them anything but.

No need to thank me for my impromptu discussion on life's lessons. In lieu of thanks hug a gangsta, lol.




DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
55. Thank you. Your response prompted me to amend my post.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:19 AM
Sep 2015

There are people that are street smart and people that are book smart... When it comes to street smarts and book smarts some folks have a paucity of the former and abundance of the latter or vice versa, and some folks have a marked deficit in both areas, present company notwithstanding.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
58. You should have left it as it was.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:29 AM
Sep 2015

I see no particular improvement.

Speaking of paucity, though, it would only be right to point out that sanctimonious pedantry rarely goes hand in hand with a good sense of humor, present company included.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
61. Sir, you surrendered all credibility from the jump
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:36 AM
Sep 2015

Sir, you surrendered all credibility from the jump, ergo:


"To my Clinton supporter friends..."



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
78. Addiction is no joke.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:23 AM
Sep 2015

On rare occasions I like to smoke a cigar but ,imho, the whole point of smoking a cigar is to do it in company. However since smoking has been consigned to a cultural ghetto it really is no fun.

I did go to a cigar bar while traveling about five years ago. It was in Coconut Grove. There were a group of Cuban men, probably in their sixties, playing Dominoes, and two Cubans just talking at another table. Super friendly, they gave me tips on cigar smoking and left their bottle of Bacardi with me when they left.

I know the whole cigar smoking thing was very much in vogue a few years back. I don't know about now.



Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
79. I have friends who do the cigar thing on special get togethers.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

I don't particularly appreciate them, but I can see that good cigars ARE way better than bad ones.

It's a culture about savoring things. And I DO like that, whether it be coffee, cigars, or a nice cross-bred sativa.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
120. "he would rather hang out with five ex-convicts than five intellectuals" - hmmmmmmmm.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

Why?

That's... strange.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
73. You must think Hillary would draw more of the Republican and Indie vote then.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:07 AM
Sep 2015

Very bizarre opinion, but that's okay. Everyone is entitled.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
71. Eh, that's just an excuse.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:03 AM
Sep 2015

No one votes for a candidate because of an opponents supporters. That's just the excuse they use because they want Hillary and can't explain why - because Bernie is the TRUE PROGRESSIVE /LIBERAL in this race. He's just a better candidate and they know it, so it's his supporters fault they will vote for Hillary. There's other reasons behind some Hillary votes, but I'll keep those to myself - though one reason was exposed on that "other" site.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
76. No it isn't at least in terms of the issues the supporters care about
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:15 AM
Sep 2015

One reason even so called moderate Republicans have to be looked at with skepticism is that their most fervent supporters are anything but moderate. If Sanders base cares only about economic issues and call people racist for daring to bring up issues of civil rights then that should give one pause as to what Sanders might do in the White House if they care about issues of civil rights. Politicians tend to do or at least try to do what their most fervent supporters what them to do. Given the behavior of some of his most fervent supporters both here and elsewhere it seems to be a fair question as to the extent to which issues regarding civil rights would be a priority of a Sanders administration.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
77. Nonsense, if you are so unable to judge a person's nature that you must infer
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:17 AM
Sep 2015

from inexpert, fumbling generalizations of the supporters (a block FAR too large to make ANY generalizations about), then you really have no business voting for anyone.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
80. His record in Congress also backs that view up
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

yes he voted the right way on issues of Civil Rights but pretty much never took the lead on any of them. His lead has always been economic issues, and if that is the thing you find most important then he is your candidate, I concede that. But if you think Civil Rights is as important as economics as I do, then he probably isn't.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
83. We were discussing whether making the decision based on clumsy inferences of supporters was wise.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:33 AM
Sep 2015

You may think that if Civil Rights is important than he is not your candidate. I disagree very strongly, but concede that is a judgment that is fair to make if it is something based on his record or lack therof as the case may be.

But concluding that he is not the candidate for Civil Rights by counting the number of black people at a rally would not be the way to go about the process IMO, nor would it be wisdom to infer too much from the overly vehement defensiveness on the parts of some Sanders supporters to the BLM intrusion at his speech, for example.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
90. where did I say counting the number of black people at a rally
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:28 AM
Sep 2015

the answer is no where. It is what his supporters, his fervent supporters, find important. And that in many cases isn't Civil Rights. And yes, the over defensiveness is a problem. It shows his base doesn't get it at all and that is an immense problem if he does want to lead on those issues.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
93. Again, though, you make a good argument, the massive flaw is in your monolithic thinking.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:38 AM
Sep 2015

You are inferring from a very small and vocal group what "Sanders" supporters are like when it is clear that the obnoxious and vocal ones are what you are using as your example while ignoring the larger but more quiet and polite group (which by definition are difficult to notice).

IOW, you are drawing inaccurate conclusions based on faulty data.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
86. that would sure be convincing
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
Sep 2015

Yeah I'm sure you will get some switches from Hillary to Bernie due to that post.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
89. One of the things I've noticed ...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:27 AM
Sep 2015

... is that DU's loudest and angriest Sanders supporters tend to be the same folks who have been wrong over and over again during the Obama Presidency.

Every week their hair would burst into flames because of some evil thing that Obama was about to do. They freak out, go crazy, and then then when the evil event doesn't happen, they move on to the next outrage DU jour.

They also tend to be the ones lecturing everyone else on what it means to be a liberal, or telling us who the real liberals are. As if that's something only they can decide.

When it comes to sanctimonious BS, they have absolutely nothing on the Baptist ministers I encountered as a kid. And I did not take them seriously either.

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
97. I've never held the actions of Sanders' supporters against him...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:49 AM
Sep 2015

...and I have no problem with any of his issues. I simply can't see a way he wins a national election against the Republicans.

 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
100. He polls better among Republicans than Republicans.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

And he nails it with Democrats in states where he's spent any time.
I don't see how he can lose.
Nobody cares about the socialist handle and people are hurting out there.

Poverty, loss of benefits, high costs, these things affect Ds and Rs in equal measure.

He will win in the GE.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
99. Why are we discussing other sites?
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

We have a discussion forum right here where we are discussing the primary elections and candidates. Apparently, some DUers who are currently on time-outs have started yet another discussion forum. Both Clinton fans and Sanders fans have some members who are on time-outs from DU and some who have even been banned here. So, as often happens, they take their discussions elsewhere. I don't know about anyone else, but I avoid such websites. They are rarely interesting on their own.

In the meantime, there is DU, where people who can discuss things civilly have a forum read by many, many people. The discussion goes on daily here. Bringing other Internet places into the discussion does nothing to promote anything, other than to talk about DUers, some of whom can't post here for some time period.

I'm afraid I don't see the utility of this, nor do I see how it applies to our discussions on DU. Over time, there have been any number of Internet forums set up by former DUers. None have thrived, because the discussion at those sites is all about DU, rather than about real topics that are worthy of discussion.

I suggest we discuss candidates and issues, rather than DUers who cannot currently post here.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
109. Perhaps you should follow your own advice...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

...and refrain from commenting in threads that are about other sites. Then there will be fewer posts in said thread, and you won't be kicking it, thus increasing its visibility.

Just a thought.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
115. Gosh, thanks. I think I'll follow my own thinking all around.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:59 AM
Sep 2015

That's what I've always done, anyhow. Sometimes it turns out well, and sometimes not. That's life.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
119. Well, gosh, yes...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

...that's what most of us do. Including those who are participating in this thread about other DUers who have gone to another site in order to trash Bernie's supporters here. Whether you approve or not, many of us find it of interest.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
111. Because they want to make it about people, not issues
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:48 AM
Sep 2015

Very much like right wingers. Intolerant of dissension of opinion.

Look how full of hate they are at the people who question whether Bernie can win. Going and looking for you old posts on unrelated topics to stir up intra-personal issued. Making fun of people for supporting Hillary now if they didn't in 08, as if that's impossible. Bitter and ugly as they have been throughout Obama's term.

Resentful of anyone who attained any accomplishment in any field, whether it be in politics or anything else. Resentful hatred toward people who worked to lead the party and therefore respond to the whole party, not just them.

Bernie isn't anyone really to be supported or cared about. He is just a useful tool to latch onto to promote their hatred and bitterness.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
163. Lol!
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:52 AM
Sep 2015

Now that's the world record in projection. Ever thought of going to the Olympic games as a hammer thrower? With such a talent in projecting you would win all the gold medals.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
117. Discussionist.com.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:07 PM
Sep 2015

I have read the most vile attacks against DUers and absolutely abhorrent crap about Hillary and Bernie over there. I also remember the DU admins (who created the site) admonishing a poster for bringing that vile crap over here and complaining about it...




MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
118. That's another website I don't use.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:10 PM
Sep 2015

I signed up there when it opened, but after reading the crap that is posted there, I quite going to that site.

I just don't have time for more than one political discussion forum. I'm still working, and the Internet is a distraction. So, I visit DU off and on during the day and sometimes in the evening. I read and reply, and post a new thread about once a day, on average.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
121. Members of thesite under discussion are also on the MIRT here
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

and have openly discussed goading members here into hide-worthy posts.

This is of some significance.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
124. You know what? Bring it up in ATA, then.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 03:56 PM
Sep 2015

MIRT members serve at the pleasure of the DU admins. Discussions of that are pure meta and nothing will come of them. Write Skinner an email or something. Discussing this in GDP is a dead end, at best.

Frankly, any DUer that can be goaded into posting something that will be hidden isn't paying attention. It's easy to avoid hidden posts, while still saying what you think. So easy that getting a time-out for having five of them in 90 days is ridiculous for anyone familiar with DU and how it operates.

Occasionally, a post is hidden that shouldn't have been, but that's not the norm. I have a hidden post right now. One. I don't think it should have been hidden, but there it is. I know how to prevent any further such thing happening, though, and will take those steps. I do look at transparency pages for people who get time-outs, when I know about them. I could describe in every case why every one of the hidden posts was hidden by a jury. I know why my one hidden post was hidden, too.

What a lot of DUers don't realize is that many, if not most, jurors are not among the most active posters on DU. In fact, the make-up of most juries is people whose screen names you wouldn't even recognize. That's how the numbers shake out, really. Attempting to stack a jury on DU, even in the middle of the night, is a waste of time. Lurkers vote in juries in large numbers, and often have no idea what they're supposed to be doing. The most important part of an alert is the description the alerter writes. That is what determines whether the post is hidden or not in most cases.

It's ridiculously easy to avoid a time-out. The vast bulk of active DUers will never have a time-out. Others, sadly, seem to have them more frequently, and there's a reason for that. It's not what or who they support. It's what they write. It's simple.

So, now, I've contributed to the essential meta-ness of this thread. Oh, well.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
132. There seems to be a group of people who thrive on DU-related drama.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:42 PM
Sep 2015

Creating it, nursing it, reacting to it and perpetually iterating it into new levels. The account names change, the particulars change, over the years, but ...there sure seems to be a common thread if folks are paying attention.



And at the core of it seems to be - has always been- folks who are altogether far too wrapped up in this place, even when they're gathering elsewhere to talk about how much it sucks.

Hey, everyone needs hobbies, I guess.

But no, mistaking whatever fight you had with whatever person who rubs you the wrong way on an internet message board with some grand indication of nationwide political dynamics or whatnot-- is a massive misinterpretation of scales, of relative size, of relevance. It is the very definition of being inside a bubble.

I'm suporting Sanders- as of now- in the primaries because i like (most of) what the guy is saying and i am glad he is pulling the discussion in the directions he is. I am not "anti-Clinton", but I do think so far her campaign has been even more disappointing than I feared it would be. It is, of course, still early. I have operated on the assumtion for a while that she would be the nominee, although i feel she is a whole bunch less "inevitable" than she was a couple months ago. That said, if she's the nominee, great, i will support her in the general. And i will listen to what she has to say in the debates, etc, although like i said right now i am supporting Sen. Sanders.

Anyone who is so wrapped up in DU drama- either real or, even more likely, solely in the heads of them and their pals- that they would let it affect who they vote for in the primary, really needs to get out more.



Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
147. The thing is...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:30 PM
Sep 2015

I'll be 50 next year and my moustache and beard still don't connect.

Well, actually a few months ago, I think I developed ONE new hair that sort of connects them when it gets long, but only on ONE side...

So I don't know. I know beards are in, and I've kind of waited for that. But now my beard has got so much gray.. and it's not like that cool Doctor Strange streak of gray down the middle thing either...

Getting old, Ronny. Getting old.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
157. Democrats who are not supporting Sanders have plenty of reasons for their lack of support
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

Sanders is appealing to a very narrow segment of the party base and is doing well into states with 90+% white voting populations. I like Sanders personally and his positions are closer to my positions according to that online quiz but I do not think that Sanders is viable in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will be spending another billion dollars. Many good democrats are not supporting Sanders for a host of reasons. That is how the primary process works.

I do admit that I was taken back when a Sanders supporter told me that I was a bad parent because my two daughters were supporting Hillary Clinton and that I was excited by this. I am also turned off by some of the conduct of the Sanders supporters on other threads but my lack of support for Sanders is not based on this conduct. Attacking other Democrats and calling other democrats names such as "corporate democrats" and "third way" democrats is not a smart way to change peoples minds. I doubt that the Sanders supporters are winning any converts to their cause with their attacks but that is not my problem.

I look forward to the Super Tuesday primary and conventions. I will be curious to see if Sanders can do well in states other than Iowa and New Hampshire. I have plenty to do in the real world including trying to turn Texas blue. We are hoping for the 5th Circuit to rule on the en banc review of the Voter Id decision and a ruling on the Texas redistricting case in the next couple of weeks and both of these matters are far more important to me right now than some of the stuff I see posted on this internet.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
159. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:27 PM
Sep 2015

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

To my Clinton supporter friends
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251626478

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, not even pretending anymore. This is pure flamebait. "check you self" "close to crazyland", "fucking crazy", "deluded assumptions"... incredibly rude and offensive, not to mention insensitive and inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:34 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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