2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTa-Nehisi Coates on Joe Biden: "Biden cast Democrats as the true party without mercy."
Coates' essay in the latest issue of The Atlantic Monthly quotes Joe Biden in 1994:
Coates has influence over whether African Americans and other minorities trust this party, and it looks as if he's not particularly trusting either party. His research must be recognized as a valid source of questioning any and all party candidates. Joe Biden is no exception.
Here is where we can find his voting record on crime.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
If "todays Democratic party is female, professional, black and Hispanic," as others in these threads have described, then Joe Biden has some 'splainin' to do about his own words, or eat them. And soon.
Joe Biden will have to answer to Democrats now for his "tough on crime" stance THEN.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)He thinks Biden is liberal? I don't think liberals did the things he says they did.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)speaks for liberals?
There hasn't been a liberal wing that has been listened to in decades...
Whatever....
ancianita
(36,009 posts)in front of those issues in gaining PoC votes. The best person to do this would be Biden himself.
You can't avoid the fact of his quote, no matter who said it.
I purposely headed Coates here to get some AA attention about Biden's viability for them as a candidate.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I'm not questioning Biden's quote.
I'm questioning his premise regarding liberals...that seemingly dirty word. I don't think he has a working understanding of it's meaning other than as a useful slur.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)If you're trying to preserve the current best definition of "liberal," I'm with you.
But the issue isn't in our collective defining over Biden's.
The issue is whether PoC can even trust the very best liberals if they vote for leaders like Biden who have sold out to "tough on crime" covers for racism, as Nixon, Reagan and Clinton did back in the day when the economic gains of their families were literally demolished, and their voter franchise taken away with the "felon" label.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Up until this election we all had to choose the lesser evil all too often.
I agree that Biden isn't liberal enough and I won't vote for him if he runs.
I have seen 'the evil liberal' trotted out her on DU very recently so I call it when I see it. Your explanation aside, I still think it's being used here as a slur...a dog whistle.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)My apologies!
I can understand why such things are concerning for people, this quote is horrible.
Sorry I got in the way....
ancianita
(36,009 posts)brush
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Joe Biden was the one who refused to let the other women testify that Thomas sexually harassed them also.
An Anita Hill movie is coming out soon and this will put Biden's actions back then back in the news.
Perhaps this (the fact that we have Thomas on SCOTUS being guided by Scalia in cases on voting rights and Citizens United et al) is one reason why Biden is reluctant to declare.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)When have we had a liberal named Biden? Weren't most of those policies implemented by third way democrats? They aren't liberals, have never been liberals.
That's all I'm saying.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)His position as leader has much strength.
But that doesn't mean he's immune to questions of his voting record on crime and his presuming to speak for the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
I'd like to see more Democrats pay attention to the past problems they've ignored for PoC.
It shouldn't be just up to Bernie Sanders to do that for our party.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Let's hope we can bring about the changes that are so very important for so many. It's life and death. I mean that in so many ways...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I don't consider him a liberal, I was not pleased when Obama chose him for VP and all of that crime drama he and so many were into was vile to me and got my constant criticism at the time.
Why is Biden a major Democrat? Because Barack Obama made him one. I'm sure Obama also knew about all of Biden's nastier aspects and that he wanted to elevate that. Blaming liberals for a centrist daisy chain is inaccurate.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)I thought this
Let me define the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. The liberal wing of the Democratic is now for 60 new death penalties...the liberal wing of the Democratic Party has 70 enhanced penalties...The liberal wing of the Dmocratic Party is for 100,000 cops. The liberal wing of the Democratic fParty is for 125,000 new state prison cells.
Was Coates as you saw...duh...
It's hard to believe Biden would say such things but then again not so much...
ancianita
(36,009 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)It's a huge issue.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)our party's peril. It's no small thing for this party to leave the answers to its past compromises of PoC's interests to ONLY Bernie Sanders to answer.
For that I not only fault Biden and our faulty collective memory, but also Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She's no visionary. She's a tool.
Party members must do the vetting that our leaders won't do. We can't go in lockstep with leadership, which is what we did in the 90's. That's exactly how we lose PoC votes.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Possibly we aren't hearing much because he hasn't declared yet...even so this is our history and we need to collectively own it. For us to do that we have to remember it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)should Never be described as "Liberal". Look at his Votes/Bills etc from when he was a senator.
Period. Thank you.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)He could announce tomorrow and be firmly in 2nd place, which must also be weighing on his decision.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for him is named Barack Obama.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)He's never said a mumbling word about their tax haven laws or whether what his state does hurts or helps the working class of this country.
If he runs, he'd better answer to that issue, too.