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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:38 PM Oct 2015

Republicans afraid of running against Bernie, want Hillary instead.




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@NRCC @BernieSanders is outpacing @HillaryClinton in the polls. We have to stop him. Now. RT if you agree!


I found out about this tweet from this article: The NRCC doesn't want Bernie to win. Why? They want Hillary. That's interesting, and positive for Bernie. But the NRCC doesn't have election of the GOP presidential candidate as its mission. It has election and re-election of GOP house candidates as its primary mission. And THAT, I believe is why they are tweeting to block the bern.

The NRCC has good reason to be very worried about Bernie's effect on congressional races. He has the potential to massively change the composition of the house, especially if he works as hard on GOTV as he's talking about doing. I just attended a Bernie rally where 95% of the attendees were students. If he can energize them to come out he could enter the White House with a majority in the Senate and House, in spite of all the gerrymandering.


Polls are showing Bernie doing really well among independents. An Independent Voter Project poll puts Sanders far ahead of the competition as this Dailykos article reports:
Poll of Independents: Sanders 45%; Trump 26%, HRC 9%Poll of Independents: Sanders 45%; Trump 26%, HRC 9%

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Could-Bernie-s-Coat-Tails-by-Rob-Kall-Bernie-Sanders-2016-Presidential-Candidate_House-Of-Representatives_Nrcc-National-Republican-Congressional-Committee-150930-198.html


That's been my line of thinking all along. The GOP's ONLY chance of winning is against Hillary. Looking at the big picture, it is not a difficult thing to understand.

The establishment fears Bernie. No if's and's or but's about it.
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Republicans afraid of running against Bernie, want Hillary instead. (Original Post) NorthCarolina Oct 2015 OP
All evidence to the contrary.......the only thing that will "Bern" will be America with GOP control. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1
Finally I see where you're coming from - it's all a big fake out, a double switcheroo tularetom Oct 2015 #20
Head spinning... but I like how you've done this. erronis Oct 2015 #30
Yes, it's something along this line of reasoning. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #39
One of my all time favorite scenes NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #55
Mine as well I also loved the part about "the greatest blunders being a land war in Asia." Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #56
that movie was so well cast NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #120
Identity film appreciation! J'accuse. merrily Oct 2015 #119
How deep does your delusion go? Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #154
Yep, every debate I have had in the last 18 months has been talking up of a Hillary opponent by stevenleser Oct 2015 #32
They mostly just assume it will be her dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #74
Yeah, you like to go on that channel artislife Oct 2015 #80
Who else would give him air time? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #101
Heh! nt artislife Oct 2015 #103
It's the old bait and switch Geronimoe Oct 2015 #52
Is it your nap time? 840high Oct 2015 #88
Yes, let's just ignore all evidence. Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket! merrily Oct 2015 #118
Make believe is fun! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #132
oy vey randys1 Oct 2015 #2
Hillary can't run against them like Bernie can ibegurpard Oct 2015 #3
Very true kenfrequed Oct 2015 #33
I have a wonderful property that stretches from Brooklyn to Manhattan..... msanthrope Oct 2015 #4
That's great, but this is about some facts finally dawning on Repubs. Bernie beats their Front sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6
Yes, I'll buy the Brooklyn Bridge from you for a penny Left Ear Oct 2015 #10
welcome, left ear. that is really funny. :D:D:D roguevalley Oct 2015 #58
Nice. Phlem Oct 2015 #85
Welcome. 840high Oct 2015 #89
I think that's the second time Repubs have talked about 'stopping Bernie' this week. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #5
The evidence is to the contrary Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #7
They will attack whoever is in the lead. Qutzupalotl Oct 2015 #14
They have tried going after Bernie in the past AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #15
Na...that was child's play. He has received nothing like the attacks Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #16
Your concern is duly noted AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #18
What? Oh, I thought this was a discussion. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #19
Bernie will never walk on eggshells around the right wing AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #22
How does Hillary deal with stupid RW talking points? cprise Oct 2015 #95
Concern? You are creating straw men for opponents. nt Nitram Oct 2015 #48
About salivating Jim Lane Oct 2015 #29
Good post, Jim Lane. Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #87
nailed it FreedomRain Oct 2015 #92
Yep. moobu2 Oct 2015 #40
The Repukes are horny at the thought of voting against Clinton. NealK Oct 2015 #121
Everyone to their own delusion. Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #130
Riiiight...The GOP is scared of running against a self-described Socialist after years of demonizing Metric System Oct 2015 #8
Let them focus on one word AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #23
well, yes AmericanHare Oct 2015 #45
This, absolutely nt stopwastingmymoney Oct 2015 #93
Socialism isn't a dirty word to millennials and younger Xers. Dukakis was running when I MillennialDem Oct 2015 #49
Hillary runs from their demonization. Sanders does not. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #102
And yet the National Review is encouraging its members to contribute to Sanders Gothmog Oct 2015 #9
Your article is from June. Much has changed since then, don't you agree? eom NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #13
Hillary is beating herself. this argument is fun but irrelevant. She will lose this on her own. roguevalley Oct 2015 #59
Exactly! hifiguy Oct 2015 #72
Yes, many RWers do mis-calculate. We should not be ascribing cprise Oct 2015 #97
If Only The Dems Would Get Behind Bernie After What The Repugs Have Figured Out.... global1 Oct 2015 #11
They do not know how to react to him AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #12
All the attacks on Clinton must be some kind of reverse psychology meant for Sanders? procon Oct 2015 #17
You couldn't possibly be referring to this: DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21
Yeah, and all the way to back to Whitewater. procon Oct 2015 #24
This isn't the reason that Bernie's numbers have swollen in activists kenfrequed Oct 2015 #27
Why does Kevin McCarthy remind me of RoccoR5955 Oct 2015 #44
That would make who Edgar Bergen? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #68
Too bad GOP. The Bern is already spreading like wildfire and there's no putting it out. n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #25
You realize this has nothing to do with the election? brooklynite Oct 2015 #26
Boy, it must be fun... Left Ear Oct 2015 #41
My "bubble of entitlement" involves dealing with people who's job is the hard work of politics... brooklynite Oct 2015 #46
Ok. :D:D:D If you say so. I sailed with Captain Cook and we discovered Alaska. roguevalley Oct 2015 #60
Impressive, but you forgot your insignia. oasis Oct 2015 #61
You can indeed...but my "stuff" is real... brooklynite Oct 2015 #73
You sound very important. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #94
And what does that have to do with analyzing how NRCC works? brooklynite Oct 2015 #105
My "stuff" is real too. OK, I never said this to anyone before... NealK Oct 2015 #149
What did they tell you about Obama v Clinton? frylock Oct 2015 #63
Perhaps the fact that in 2008 I switched from Clinton to Obama answers your question? brooklynite Oct 2015 #116
Yes, I can imagine the establishment is pissing their collective pants at the prospect. frylock Oct 2015 #131
I'd be delighted to have him as President...I'm not convinced he can get elected brooklynite Oct 2015 #137
If Sanders can beat the $1 b + funded Democrat, he can do the same against any Republican. frylock Oct 2015 #138
Last time I checked, they let Independents and Republican vote in the General Election brooklynite Oct 2015 #143
Sanders seems to be polling well with indies and the unaffiliated.. frylock Oct 2015 #144
So you keep telling us - over and over. 840high Oct 2015 #90
When it's relevant to the discussion. brooklynite Oct 2015 #117
The RW bosses would be just fine with HRC as President. Ron Green Oct 2015 #28
LMAO. stevenleser Oct 2015 #34
It's just to keep the Low Info folks engaged and aroused. Nothing more. Ron Green Oct 2015 #37
You did not just type that. Wow. This is not a token effort. It's a full court press. stevenleser Oct 2015 #38
I didn't say it's a token effort. It's designed to keep the hate going on the part of the Ron Green Oct 2015 #66
Excellent posts, you understand what's up, thanks. - eom dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #76
You mean on Fox Newz? NealK Oct 2015 #122
I mean on all conservative media networks on TV/Radio/etc. That's what this OP is about, right? stevenleser Oct 2015 #124
Whoosh! NealK Oct 2015 #126
No whoosh there. I'm just not rising to stupid bait. stevenleser Oct 2015 #128
"I'm just not rising to stupid bait. " NealK Oct 2015 #146
LOL, indeed stevenleser Oct 2015 #148
I'm so glad that you're agreeing with me. NealK Oct 2015 #151
I do agree, your post was stupid bait and you acknowledged that. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #152
Yet you enthusiastically took a supposed stupid bait. Says a lot about you. NealK Oct 2015 #155
Nope, I didn't. Not only that, I gave you an opportunity to take the high road, and you stevenleser Oct 2015 #156
Hum, yep you did, I'm afraid. Your following post proves it. NealK Oct 2015 #159
Nope, I pretended you meant something less stupid, but you insisted on proving me wrong. stevenleser Oct 2015 #160
Ironic since you're doing it all the time, Fox Dude. NealK Oct 2015 #163
No, you have only insisted on being stupid in this interaction with me. stevenleser Oct 2015 #164
Goodnight Bill! NealK Oct 2015 #167
Goodnight Hillary endorser! nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #168
So now, calling a Bernie supporter a Hillary endorser is an insult? NealK Oct 2015 #171
BTW, you know that Bernie goes on Fox regularly right? I await your endorsement of Hillary stevenleser Oct 2015 #135
How could he reach Republicans that are sick of the status quo otherwise? NealK Oct 2015 #145
Which is exactly why many Democrats like me guest appear there. stevenleser Oct 2015 #147
You are not Bernie. NealK Oct 2015 #150
Congratulations on the improvement in your deductive abilities. And? stevenleser Oct 2015 #153
Oh dear, you didn't understand what I meant? NealK Oct 2015 #157
There is nothing to understand, you have no point. stevenleser Oct 2015 #158
Lol, right. His message is the same as Hillary's. NealK Oct 2015 #161
We're not talking campaign platform, we're talking about Fox appearances. And there was stevenleser Oct 2015 #162
You sound a little obsessed. NealK Oct 2015 #165
Why, because I respond to people who respond to me? Sounds like you need to look up stevenleser Oct 2015 #166
Damn correct that "the establishment fears Bernie." SoapBox Oct 2015 #31
they know hillary is an easy gop victory restorefreedom Oct 2015 #35
+1 NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #174
That poll of indies is striking. bunnies Oct 2015 #36
That would make for a good OP in GD:P NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #53
Lots of open primaries on Super Tuesday too. bunnies Oct 2015 #57
Yes, this is what makes touting Hillary's support among Democrats so laughable. frylock Oct 2015 #65
HRC's coattails are so negative as to constitute anti-matter. Divernan Oct 2015 #42
They haven't faced the truth in decades AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #43
Seems like DWS would be happy to help them AnAzulTexas Oct 2015 #47
Maybe Limbaugh will resurrect Operation Chaos to assist her candidacy again. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #50
As i have said Robbins Oct 2015 #51
Every objection to Sanders' candidacy is dismissed as "fear" Orrex Oct 2015 #54
Damn right they are afraid of him and for the same reason Hillary and company are afraid of him. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #69
Yeah, Sanders' supporters keep on chanting that slogan Orrex Oct 2015 #86
Why would the Democratic front runner be afraid of a non-Democrat? leftofcool Oct 2015 #106
My reason is in the post you responded to, if you don't like the reason refute it. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #108
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way Orrex Oct 2015 #112
There is evidence out there but it would be a waste of my time to gather any of it A Simple Game Oct 2015 #125
That's a lie and a clear demonstration of your lack of conviction Orrex Oct 2015 #139
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #62
Actually they seem to want to take down Hillary WI_DEM Oct 2015 #64
They are trying to frame the issues as early as possible cprise Oct 2015 #98
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #67
The Repigs have been preparing to run against HRH forever hifiguy Oct 2015 #70
This comes as no surprise FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #71
They set up a fake committee to derail her because they want her? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #75
Welcome to Bizarro world. zappaman Oct 2015 #77
Logistics have changed in ways nobody predicted since that committee was set up. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #78
Lol Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #82
Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leftofcool Oct 2015 #140
Conservatives aren't logical nor unified anymore cprise Oct 2015 #99
Bernin' down the House! dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #79
That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well, and you are 100% correct NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #81
Repukes don't even have the vocabulary to converse w/ Bernie MasonDreams Oct 2015 #104
They certainly won't be prepared to debate on his terms dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #109
Um, hey Republicans! hootinholler Oct 2015 #83
Even Coulter came out saying that FOX and Co. need to go easy on Clinton; she's the one they want to YOHABLO Oct 2015 #84
Would you like your sundae with fake syrup or the real chocolate variety? nolabels Oct 2015 #96
Coulter said that Obama was unelectable in 2008 so her "advice" regarding what Democrats should do stevenleser Oct 2015 #169
Remember the ' Reagan Democrats'? libodem Oct 2015 #91
Bernie will politically educate millions!!! MasonDreams Oct 2015 #100
I think that's false. Baltimore18 Oct 2015 #107
I smell the fear of Bernie on their bods. Hepburn Oct 2015 #110
Then why don't they go after him? treestar Oct 2015 #111
Probably because there are none, NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #113
So why don't they manufacture them? treestar Oct 2015 #114
Because this time folks are paying a little more attention to facts. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #115
+1 NealK Oct 2015 #123
Oh, they have plenty and will use it if needed. Right now, bernie is irrelevant. leftofcool Oct 2015 #141
They want Bernie to be the nominee. They know they can destroy him quite easily. As I have said... stevenleser Oct 2015 #170
Actually, I think that at this pointq SheilaT Oct 2015 #127
Hey everyone it's freaky Friday Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #129
Nonsense. Beacool Oct 2015 #133
Look for the 'Bernie Republicans' libodem Oct 2015 #134
If it is Hillary, it is just a contest between two corporate politicians. Big problem with GOTV. Maineman Oct 2015 #136
Of course the right wing wants Hillary d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #142
Of couse they want her. NealK Oct 2015 #172
This is all based on some anonymous public tweet?? DCBob Oct 2015 #173

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
20. Finally I see where you're coming from - it's all a big fake out, a double switcheroo
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:00 PM
Oct 2015

Those clever republicans actually want to run against Bernie because they are terrified of the awesome might of Hillary Clinton. But they are afraid that if they push Bernie too hard, Democratic voters will become suspicious that its all a scam and switch to Hillary. So, sly rascals that they are, the republicans are claiming that they'd rather run against Hillary so the Democratic voters will smell a rat, support Bernie and then he will be the nominee and the republicans won't have to run against Hillary.

But you have seen through their sneaky ploy and awakened the nation to their duplicitous game!

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
56. Mine as well I also loved the part about "the greatest blunders being a land war in Asia."
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

That was so apropos.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
120. that movie was so well cast
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:06 AM
Oct 2015

just about everybody was perfect in their roles.

"but only slightly less well known is - never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line..." keels over dead.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
32. Yep, every debate I have had in the last 18 months has been talking up of a Hillary opponent by
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

conservative pundits. First it was Biden, now it's Sanders.

They don't want to face Hillary. They have thrown the kitchen sink at her and she still leads all of their candidates.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
52. It's the old bait and switch
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

They say the are afraid of Bernie but they think you'll figure it is smoke & mirrors and really Hillary, so it really is Bernie.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
33. Very true
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

She cannot run against the banks or Wallstreet as easily and there is a lot of rage that can be tapped on that score. Bernie speaks more plainly and attracts a lot more energy and vitality to the thing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. That's great, but this is about some facts finally dawning on Repubs. Bernie beats their Front
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

Runner by 20 points in NH and elsewhere across the country he has become the most likely to beat any one of their candidates. So the RNC says they have to stop him.

Lol, good luck with that since it's been tried already by Hillary's supporters. To no avail. And he's attracting many of their own base to his campaign.

 

Left Ear

(81 posts)
10. Yes, I'll buy the Brooklyn Bridge from you for a penny
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

and then return it to the people of New York.

Bernie still wins.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. I think that's the second time Repubs have talked about 'stopping Bernie' this week.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:41 PM
Oct 2015

However, they don't need to spend any money trying to discredit him, that's already being done by Hillary supporters. They may as well wait until he wins the nomination.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
7. The evidence is to the contrary
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

The constant attacks on Clinton by the right-wing, and the admissions of the Senate leader-to-be show the opposite. They want Clinton gone. Their goal is to attack her relentlessly until the unthinking public nods like lemmings in agreement, and provide someone else in the General. They know they would have no problem taking on Sanders.

They have not attacked Sanders once. They are salivating at the thought of running against him in the general.

Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
14. They will attack whoever is in the lead.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

They just don't have as much to work with vs. Sanders. They have the "socialist!" label and some bad writing from decades ago.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
15. They have tried going after Bernie in the past
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

But he hands their asses to them in the form of simple truth.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
19. What? Oh, I thought this was a discussion.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

My mistake. Continue with your one-sided conversation. I am sure you will not disagree with yourself.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
22. Bernie will never walk on eggshells around the right wing
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

He doesn't have to because he has the truth on his side. Perhaps you missed him speaking at Liberty U. That is a prime example of how he deals with stupid RW talking points.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
95. How does Hillary deal with stupid RW talking points?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:50 AM
Oct 2015

She doesn't need to go to Liberty U to hear them: She already belongs to a RW cabal called The Family.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
29. About salivating
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

You write, "They are salivating at the thought of running against him in the general." I'm guessing that some of them are. In 1980, many of us (I plead guilty here) were salivating at the thought of running against Reagan in the general. Obviously, someone so extreme would be an easy opponent.

The moral of the story is that the opposing party's saliva is not a reliable election predictor.

As to what the Republicans really think -- it's probably a mix. Right now they're attacking Clinton because they see her as the most likely nominee, and I agree with that assessment. Are they leaving Chafee-O'Malley-Webb alone because they think one of them would tank in the general? No, they're leaving them alone because they think an attack would be a waste of time.

If I were a Republican strategist, my thinking about the two Democratic front-runners would be:
* If Clinton runs, we'll have the advantage of Clinton fatigue, especially if we don't run Bush. We'll also have a great GOTV aid; we've been demonizing her for so long that our base will be sure to turn out to vote against her. We'll also pick up some misogynists. We'll have the problem of women turning out to break that last big glass ceiling.
* If Sanders runs, we'll have the advantage of painting him as an extremist. We'll say that about Clinton, too, but it will be easier against Sanders, and we'll get more help from the corporate media. Nobody in America will be able to go a day without hearing or reading the words "Sanders" and "socialist" in the same sentence. We'll also pick up some anti-Semites. We'll have the problem of previously apathetic non-voters (especially younger people) turning out because their perception is that, for the first time, there's a major-party candidate who represents significant change.

I'm guessing that different Republican strategists would weigh these competing considerations differently. Having reached their different conclusions about whom they'd rather oppose, they would then also reach different conclusions about tactics; should they dissemble about their preference, or try to fake the Democrats out by (for once) telling the truth?

My bottom line is that what Republicans say on this subject is pretty much worthless.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
8. Riiiight...The GOP is scared of running against a self-described Socialist after years of demonizing
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:46 PM
Oct 2015

that word. Yes, I know he calls himself a Democratic Socialist, but the s-word is what the GOP will focus on. The general election outcome will make Democrats long for Dukakis.

 

AmericanHare

(44 posts)
45. well, yes
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:27 PM
Oct 2015

because for the past 8 years they have incorrectly applied it to Obama. If you go around calling a capitalist a socialist, and people see he's not a socialist, then to use that same attack against the next guy is, quite frankly, old hat.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
49. Socialism isn't a dirty word to millennials and younger Xers. Dukakis was running when I
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:18 PM
Oct 2015

was 7-8 years old. How is that election at all relevant to a massive chunk the electorate?

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
9. And yet the National Review is encouraging its members to contribute to Sanders
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

The idiots at the National Review are now urging conservatives to support Bernie Sanders and this support is not because the National Review has the best interests of the Democratic party in mind http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Support Bernie Sanders!

This is a call to action for every Republican anxious to win back the White House in 2016. Bernie Sanders, the socialist U.S. senator from Vermont, is now surging in his quest to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. He is attracting media attention and large crowds, and is invigorated by a New Hampshire–primary poll showing him only 10 points behind frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

After a GOP power player sent me a piece from left-leaning Salon headlined “Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn’t even see the frustrated progressive wave that will nominate Bernie Sanders,” my heart went pitter-patter, beginning to sense an opportunity. But it was not until I saw a headline in The Hill warning that the “Sanders surge is becoming a bigger problem for Clinton,” accompanied by “It may be time for Hillary Clinton to take the challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders more seriously,” that I was truly motivated to join Team Bernie and rally my fellow Republicans to do the same.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

The GOP is urging people to support sanders because the conservatives know that they can not beat Hillary Clinton. The author of this article actually made a contribution to Sanders.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
59. Hillary is beating herself. this argument is fun but irrelevant. She will lose this on her own.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:22 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie on the other hand is telling people why they SHOULD vote for him. He wins.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
97. Yes, many RWers do mis-calculate. We should not be ascribing
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:08 AM
Oct 2015

...some magical strategizing ability to them (the way we usually do) which gives them the power of reverse-psychology over us. And anyway, they have become very splintered since Bush2.

We know it for ourselves: Bernie is the stronger candidate largely for the same reason Obama was... he's got a great record and is to the Left of Clinton.

The more progressive Candidate *IS* the one with the greatest crossover appeal! The "swing" voter is disappearing and turning into a different animal -- The deeply concerned Independent. That is what pain does.

People who are pushing Clinton as the 'realistic' choice are trying to sell a realism that looks like 2014. The establishment must be brought to heel (and I mean take a back seat here) or else watch people stay at home in droves.

global1

(25,169 posts)
11. If Only The Dems Would Get Behind Bernie After What The Repugs Have Figured Out....
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
Oct 2015
The NRCC has good reason to be very worried about Bernie's effect on congressional races. He has the potential to massively change the composition of the house, especially if he works as hard on GOTV as he's talking about doing. I just attended a Bernie rally where 95% of the attendees were students. If he can energize them to come out he could enter the White House with a majority in the Senate and House, in spite of all the gerrymandering.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
12. They do not know how to react to him
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

He will destroy them with simple truth, and they know it. Their whole existence is built upon bullshit. He threatens that.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. All the attacks on Clinton must be some kind of reverse psychology meant for Sanders?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

I can't connect the dots, but whatever floats your boat.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
21. You couldn't possibly be referring to this:
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy is, at this moment, the Democrats’ best pal. He went on Fox News last night to talk up his campaign to replace outgoing House Speaker John Boehner, and he ended up saying out loud and on television the one thing Republicans aren’t supposed to say about the House Select Committee on Benghazi: it’s all about taking down Hillary Clinton:


procon

(15,805 posts)
24. Yeah, and all the way to back to Whitewater.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:12 PM
Oct 2015

Considering the OPs source, this claim was snort worthy at best.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
27. This isn't the reason that Bernie's numbers have swollen in activists
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:27 PM
Oct 2015

Democrats and progressives generally don't give a shit about whatever bullshit scandal that GOP have cooked up.

We care about policy. Bernie's policy is better. Done.

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
26. You realize this has nothing to do with the election?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

It's October, a year beforehand. This is an effort to spook the base into coughing up more money and Bernie Sanders is "scarier" to that base. The NRCC knows that REGARDLESS of whether Sanders or Clinton is the nominee, Republicans will hold the House from 2016-2020, and possibly beyond that, since most liberal activists (including Bernie's) pay scant attention to the Governorship and State Legislative races that are critical to the management of redistricting.

 

Left Ear

(81 posts)
41. Boy, it must be fun...
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

living in a bubble of entitlement. The support that Clinton enjoys so much was always soft, and it's continuing to go elsewhere for the hard support.

In reality, Clinton's hard support is about 25% when it is all said and done.

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
46. My "bubble of entitlement" involves dealing with people who's job is the hard work of politics...
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

...and they tell me Sanders is a risk for the General Election.

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
73. You can indeed...but my "stuff" is real...
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:27 PM
Oct 2015

As I've pointed out before, my profile says who I am; feel free to check my FEC filings.

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
105. And what does that have to do with analyzing how NRCC works?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:05 AM
Oct 2015

NRCC is raising money. They're using the bogeyman that opens the most wallets of their supporters.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
149. My "stuff" is real too. OK, I never said this to anyone before...
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

But I'm living on an island along with Elvis, Marilyn and Hendrix is my best buddy.

-Sincerly, Jim Morrison

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
116. Perhaps the fact that in 2008 I switched from Clinton to Obama answers your question?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:22 AM
Oct 2015

Right now, Bernie Sanders isn't Barack Obama.

(FYI - a progressive candidate that most people here would respect told me "If Sanders wins (the nomination), we're in trouble".)

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
137. I'd be delighted to have him as President...I'm not convinced he can get elected
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

Please show me a solid case for how he wins a national election against a $1 b + funded Republican.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
144. Sanders seems to be polling well with indies and the unaffiliated..
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

even has a little crossover appeal with disenfranchised Republicans. What are Hillary's numbers looking like with those groups?

Ron Green

(9,821 posts)
28. The RW bosses would be just fine with HRC as President.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

She lines up with their big-picture goals, and keeps the rabble roused on Culture War issues.

It's been much the same with Obama: The mouth breathers scream "Socialist! Muslim! Kenya!" while he surrounds himself with Summers and Geithner and Arne Duncan. What's not to like?

Hillary would have 'em woman-hating all the time, all LGBT and abortions up in here, while Wall Street and the Pentagon keep comfortable.

If we want a political transformation, we have to make it real.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. LMAO.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015
YES! All of the throwing the kitchen sink at her was to show how much they would be happy with her as President.

Ron Green

(9,821 posts)
37. It's just to keep the Low Info folks engaged and aroused. Nothing more.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

Look, we may not accomplish what needs to be done in this cycle; and many diehard HRC "fans" aren't helping the overall process. But Bernie Sanders' campaign and message is the one chance I've seen to move the needle sufficiently to salvage a representative democracy. Throwing the kitchen sink at Hillary just serves to keep going the same kind of mudslinging/marketing that people are familiar with. Above all, don't change the paradigm.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. You did not just type that. Wow. This is not a token effort. It's a full court press.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe I have had the misfortune of seeing it much more up close and personal than many of you, but it's relentless and it is not a token effort.

Ron Green

(9,821 posts)
66. I didn't say it's a token effort. It's designed to keep the hate going on the part of the
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:25 PM
Oct 2015

masses. But it doesn't even rattle the teacups compared to what Bernie's momentum will bring, if that's ever allowed to emerge.

As I say, HRC is part of the game, albeit a target right now. She'd be welcome at the Head Table.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. I mean on all conservative media networks on TV/Radio/etc. That's what this OP is about, right?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

What Republicans think.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
128. No whoosh there. I'm just not rising to stupid bait.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015

You can focus on me and I will focus on the actual issues being discussed.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
156. Nope, I didn't. Not only that, I gave you an opportunity to take the high road, and you
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:25 PM
Oct 2015

instead, doubled down on your stupid bait.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
159. Hum, yep you did, I'm afraid. Your following post proves it.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:31 PM
Oct 2015

Now it's time for me to go to bed. So Buh-bye!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
160. Nope, I pretended you meant something less stupid, but you insisted on proving me wrong.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:31 PM
Oct 2015

Congratulations on proving you meant something stupid.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
164. No, you have only insisted on being stupid in this interaction with me.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think we have talked before.

BTW, still waiting for you to endorse Hillary since Bernie has appeared on Fox.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
135. BTW, you know that Bernie goes on Fox regularly right? I await your endorsement of Hillary
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:28 PM
Oct 2015

now that you have found out this awful news about Bernie.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
145. How could he reach Republicans that are sick of the status quo otherwise?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

He doesn't work for them BTW.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
147. Which is exactly why many Democrats like me guest appear there.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015

I don't work for them either. I always find it interesting when people assert or imply something (instead of asking) when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

So either you are ok with me and ok with Bernie doing it, or you should endorse Hillary or O'Malley now.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
153. Congratulations on the improvement in your deductive abilities. And?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:08 PM
Oct 2015

That has no bearing on our conversation.

NealK

(1,791 posts)
157. Oh dear, you didn't understand what I meant?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:27 PM
Oct 2015

Your colaboration with Fox won't change people's minds because you are not Bernie Sander. Get it now?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
158. There is nothing to understand, you have no point.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:29 PM
Oct 2015

There is nothing special about Bernie's appearances on Fox. He makes the same arguments any Democratic politician, strategists and pundits make.

So you just accused Bernie of being a Fox collaborator. (And note the word is spelled with two 'l's)

NealK

(1,791 posts)
161. Lol, right. His message is the same as Hillary's.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

Are you defining yourself as a pundit? Well, have a good night.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
162. We're not talking campaign platform, we're talking about Fox appearances. And there was
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:35 PM
Oct 2015

nothing special about his appearances that haven't been said by other Democratic politicians, strategists and pundits appearing there.

Do try to stay on topic.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
166. Why, because I respond to people who respond to me? Sounds like you need to look up
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015

the definition of 'obsessed'.

Along with a lot of other things.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
31. Damn correct that "the establishment fears Bernie."
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

The Entrenched Establishment has a lot to be worried about.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
35. they know hillary is an easy gop victory
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

too much baggage, no crossover appeal, crappy policy

bernie...a message that is resonating with people on both sides of the aisle, tremendous crossover appeal, no negativity, and a plan that really works for the people. And no baggage. The GOP knows they are toast if Bernie gets the NOM.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
53. That would make for a good OP in GD:P
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

The difference in support for Bernie vs Hillary among independents is, as you say, striking. It is also very telling, and a great indicator of who the Democrats should be getting behind.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
42. HRC's coattails are so negative as to constitute anti-matter.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

In a general election she would motivate a massive turnout from the GOP base, and they'd vote straight ticket for all Republicans on the ballot.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
50. Maybe Limbaugh will resurrect Operation Chaos to assist her candidacy again.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

She was glad to count those votes before. #ByAnyMeansNecessary

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
51. As i have said
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:21 PM
Oct 2015

Republicans want to run against Hilary.I suspect real reason Mccarthy said truth was to help her numbers for primary.

Bernie is one they don't want to run agiainst.

The GOP platform for 2016 is to run against Hilary Clinton as it was in 2007/2008.Once again the platform is being thrown out the
window.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
54. Every objection to Sanders' candidacy is dismissed as "fear"
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

There's a clear air of desperation in that dismissal, in no small part because it conveniently omits the real difficulties that a Sanders candidacy will face if he miraculously wins the primary.

That's been my line of thinking all along. The GOP's ONLY chance of winning is against Hillary. Looking at the big picture, it is not a difficult thing to understand.
Yeah, that's why they've spent million$ sabotaging her and haven't wasted a breath on Sanders. Because they're afraid of him.





A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
69. Damn right they are afraid of him and for the same reason Hillary and company are afraid of him.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:42 PM
Oct 2015

They, Republicans and Democrats, exist in the big bubble that is Washington DC and they know that Bernie is the big needle that will burst that bubble. They don't know how to fight him so hope that along with the media just ignoring him will allow Hillary to win the primaries. They have very little chance of winning even if Biden gets in the race because he doesn't hurt Bernie, he hurts Hillary.

If Bernie wins that means money is not the boss, that the voters are the boss, and there goes the gravy train. Money will not keep their jobs and when they do the voters bidding to keep their jobs instead of the money's bidding they lose their money. The 1% then lose their influence which causes them to lose their advantage.

They all have nothing and the desperation is starting to show.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
86. Yeah, Sanders' supporters keep on chanting that slogan
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:36 PM
Oct 2015

It's a one-dimensional, facile rationalization. Sanders certainly wouldn't use that tactic. Why do you his supporters?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
108. My reason is in the post you responded to, if you don't like the reason refute it.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:38 AM
Oct 2015

Why would you ask me a question I already answered? I can understand if you don't believe my reason, but would like a response that gives what you think is a better reason, either for or against.

If you don't think they fear Bernie, give us some insight as to why.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
112. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:29 AM
Oct 2015

You're making a positive claim and demanding that we disprove it.

Nope, the burden is on you to support your own claim. Prove that the GOP, or Clinton, for that matter, is afraid of Sanders. The claim is made again and again, to the point that it's become an unquestioned article of faith among his supporters. If you can't prove it, then you should admit that it's simply wishful thinking.

I've never seen any proof of it beyond its assertion by the faithful. Certainly Sanders himself would never make such a baseless claim; why does his base insist on repeating it?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
125. There is evidence out there but it would be a waste of my time to gather any of it
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:34 AM
Oct 2015

because you would refuse to believe any of it.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
139. That's a lie and a clear demonstration of your lack of conviction
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

I have a long and well-established history on DU of admitting error when I am shown to be incorrect.

I know that it's important for some of Sanders' supporters to believe that only stubborn fools and sell-outs refuse to come into the fold, and that they "fear" Sanders, but the reality is much more straightforward.

I do not believe that Sanders can win the general election. His poll numbers are lovely, and his fundraising is lovely, but I simply don't believe that he can win on the national stage. I'll vote for him if, miraculously, he wins the nomination, but I don't believe it will happen.

And even if he does win, what will he accomplish once in office? Are you anticipating a strong pro-Sanders majority in Congress?

Do tell.

Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
64. Actually they seem to want to take down Hillary
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

but that doesn't mean that Bernie wouldn't run a tough campaign.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
98. They are trying to frame the issues as early as possible
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:50 AM
Oct 2015

...hoping the corporate media will fall into line if they repeat their accusations enough (you know, like the good old days). They feel like they're in the wilderness, and they are desperately jonesing for their corporate news unreality bubble from the mid 90s - late 2000s.

And they know the Clinton-smearing (not that its *all* lies) will have little effect on Democratic primaries. And if it did, there are other Third Way potential candidates in the wings.

What help RWers *are* getting from the media is in their reluctance to mention Sanders at all. They are not prepared to field real leftist positions in their hourly news cycles without some serious cognitive dissonance.

For now, the media bigwigs can tell themselves that polls mean nothing this early (implying that their coverage now is capricious and self-indulgent). When that self-delusion wears thin, they no doubt hope to have some kind of 'containment' strategy against a real progressive candidate like Sanders.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
70. The Repigs have been preparing to run against HRH forever
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:08 PM
Oct 2015

and there is no Democratic nominee who would motivate more of their cave-orc base to come out and vote than she would. She's the dream candidate of the Repigs.

HRH as the nominee guarantees an extra 1-2 million Repig votes, nationwide.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
71. This comes as no surprise
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

What does occur to me though is that there needs to be a massive effort in recruiting and vetting candidates. Making sure that the third way garbage that is waiting in the wings does not benefit from the surge and Bernie's coattails. Rather, solid progressives should be positioned now to plan for the surge in voter turnout.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
75. They set up a fake committee to derail her because they want her?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

There just isn't much reality here anymore.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
78. Logistics have changed in ways nobody predicted since that committee was set up.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:53 PM
Oct 2015

They were banking on the inevitability of HRC at the time, and Bernie had not even announced yet.

Times they are a change'n! It's best to keep up to date.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
99. Conservatives aren't logical nor unified anymore
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:09 AM
Oct 2015

and they're swimming in cognitive dissonance. Hating Clinton recalls their old sense of purpose and certainty, and its how they used to get the media to act as a reliable echo chamber for them.

Nevertheless, on the issues Clinton is the best Dem candidate for them, and recognition of that is just dawning on some of them.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
79. Bernin' down the House!
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:55 PM
Oct 2015

Many many people are so disillusioned with the Republicans and the faux alterrnatives pushed by corporate-owned Democrats that they no longer feel like any of them are worth getting behind.

Bernie completely changes that.

If he can win the nomination, we can have authenticity and people-power behind our party once again, which will lead to many of the "ex-pat" independents coming to the Democratic side, where any reasonable person belongs if we can just get control of our party back from the third way types.

Good God, we're up against Republicans, who in no way repreent the interests of anyone other than the very very rich, and we struggle to defeat them running third-way corporatist Democrats.

Most people don't feel the Democrats are much better, you know, "they're all crooks". Change that, and you change everything. Bernie changes that, Hillary doesn't.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
81. That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well, and you are 100% correct
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

that "Bernie changes that, Hillary doesn't". Well stated.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
104. Repukes don't even have the vocabulary to converse w/ Bernie
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:08 AM
Oct 2015

The Berlin Wall came down in 1989."Socialist" won't even work & its only one word.
FEEL THE BERN YET??? signed building dreams one brick at a time.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
109. They certainly won't be prepared to debate on his terms
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:50 AM
Oct 2015

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They'll say "tax cuts for the rich" and "we can't afford it". He'll say to raise mega taxes on the rich, and exactly what he will spend it on (things people want!). To "we can't afford it", hopefully he'll ask why we can't afford to live as well as Norway or Sweden, being the great source of wealth generation that our country is. I agree with you, I don't think they're used to debating our actual policies, and probably don't have the vocabulary to do so.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
83. Um, hey Republicans!
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:06 PM
Oct 2015

Personally I am amazed you were able to discover the obvious plan.

The NRCC has good reason to be very worried about Bernie's effect on congressional races. He has the potential to massively change the composition of the house, especially if he works as hard on GOTV as he's talking about doing. I just attended a Bernie rally where 95% of the attendees were students. If he can energize them to come out he could enter the White House with a majority in the Senate and House, in spite of all the gerrymandering.


Yes, the sure do. Yes if we all hang together we can accomplish just that.

This is a good sign that the campaign is being taken seriously.
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
84. Even Coulter came out saying that FOX and Co. need to go easy on Clinton; she's the one they want to
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

run against:

Coulter: I wish Fox News would go a little easier on Hillary Clinton. She’s the one we want to run against. Could you guys just back off? Because I feel like I’m living through this, I feel like this is déjà vu again. We used to say, ‘Oh, the next president isn’t going to be a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.’ Our next president could be Sen. Bernie Sanders, if you people keep this up.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
96. Would you like your sundae with fake syrup or the real chocolate variety?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:00 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know if were Ben or Jerry that said it, but it was pretty unequivocal in the statement about people wanting the real thing almost every time

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
169. Coulter said that Obama was unelectable in 2008 so her "advice" regarding what Democrats should do
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015

should be regarded with less than a grain of salt.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
91. Remember the ' Reagan Democrats'?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

Get ready for the 'Sanders Republicans'.

Moderate Republicans have to be hungry for a message that resonates economically and isn't about terror and the security state, or the end times crazy talk, or trumping up fear of black and brown people. They have to hate the clown car worse than we do.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
100. Bernie will politically educate millions!!!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:33 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary has the "center"& sane right. Bernie's Left & GOP's insane

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
110. I smell the fear of Bernie on their bods.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:20 AM
Oct 2015

Who can blame the Repukes? They are full of BS and lies and Bernie is the real thing. While I do not dislike Hillary, she does have a lot of negatives attached to her with the general public that can be played upon and used by the Repukes. Bernie does not. Yes, there is the "socialist" issue, but most of the public appear to be more interested in what he says and not what he is labeled.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
113. Probably because there are none,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

otherwise the Hillary camp would be using them instead of simply slinging "He's a Socialist for gods sake", or "He's BFF's with Hugo Chavez" and silly crap like that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
114. So why don't they manufacture them?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:15 AM
Oct 2015

No one can be in public life without something - with Obama it was Rev. Wright, birthers, claiming no one knew him at the colleges he went to, association with Saul Alinsky- if BS is a socialist they should be able to find something.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
115. Because this time folks are paying a little more attention to facts.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:19 AM
Oct 2015

The Hillary camp DID try to manufacture a bogus convoluted personal link to Hugo Chavez and you see how well that worked out for them. Seems they dropped that line of attack post haste doesn't it? Of course, because it was laughable at best, and yet much was spent in fabricating it...why?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
170. They want Bernie to be the nominee. They know they can destroy him quite easily. As I have said...
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:02 PM
Oct 2015

... if he somehow wins the nomination, the day after he is nominated, an ad will start running that compiles all the times he self identified as a Socialist and will talk about the failed Soviet Union, Eastern Europe under communism, etc.

Bernie is a non-starter. The GOP knows Bernie gets 40% in a national election tops.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
127. Actually, I think that at this pointq
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

the Republicans are simply assuming that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, and are simply getting what they see as a head start running against her.

They are barely aware of Bernie, and simply dismiss him as a socialist who obviously won't get the nomination. So they're concentrating on the supposed nominee, calculating that by the time she gets the nomination, she'll be such damaged goods that it won't really matter who they nominate, their candidate will win.

I think they're wrong in that I believe Bernie will get the nomination.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
133. Nonsense.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

They have attacked her job performance, her personal life, her marriage, her husband, her daughter, they have called her from a liar to a whore; yet she still stands ahead of the pack. The last Clinton the Republicans defeated was Bill in 1980 when he lost the governorship of AR for one term. They have never defeated them again.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
134. Look for the 'Bernie Republicans'
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:20 PM
Oct 2015

He should start printing: "Another Republican for Sanders", yard signs now, so there will be enough.

If they want the best Republican candidate Hillary has more experience and is way more qualified than anything out of that clown car. You'd think that would be the flock to crossover.

But if anyone is looking for a genuine human being with heart and a mind, the independents and the moderates will hear Bernie's message. He's the real deal.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
142. Of course the right wing wants Hillary
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

-She's not likable.

-She's full of scandals (both true and untrue).

-Big time [link:http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/01/hillary_clinton_on_gay_rights_a_new_email_is_troubling.html|waffler.
]
-And for those who remember a Slanderer.


So yes, there are plenty of reasons to want to go up against Clinton instead of Sanders. Her baggage can turn off the Democratic voter base, assuring a right wing victory. I'll vote for her if she gets the nod, but that doesn't mean others will (and sadly that cost Democrats elections).

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