2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould it be that Senator Sanders is just another "bankster"?
Say it ain't so, Bernie!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)Only 2 House Republicans and 2 House Democrats voted against it. The bill was in part the product of a Clinton administration committee that included Lawrence Summers. It turned out to be a bad law, but it was very much a bipartisan creation, signed into law by Clinton.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the bill. Bernie never voted for the fucked up bill.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)People who plot over there to get posters here silenced don't belong here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)At least try to be a little bit honest. But the truth really seems to hurt you guys. I'm sorry for that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She didn't put up with swift boating Bernie and never backed down from a fight.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That's a perfectly legitimate reason for disliking her that has nothing to do with her being a Sanders supporter.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They specifically targeted cali because she doesn't support Hillary.
polly7
(20,582 posts)She responds with exactly how she's spoken to. The problem is, that some just can't take what they dish out and get so angry they'll do anything to 'win'. Well they did 'win' getting rid of her for 3 months, but I don't think they realize how many people support her and hate the ugly crap it took to get her gone.
Cali fights fair. Those who couldn't out-debate her .......... don't. Period.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)is to troll other sites? Come on. You know how childish that appears.
Everybody does shit wrong, makes mistakes, changes their initial thoughts with experience. Just admit your candidate is human, makes mistakes and pour judgements like everyone else.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When the other site is being used to troll DU it's fair game.
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Now proudly prodding someone to try to get them a fifth hide as one of our MIRT members said they were doing, well that's trolling. I agree with you, that really is childish, and not just in appearance. I'm sure you have told your fellow Caver that directly.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Control Z, don't you think that trolling someone into getting silenced is a real dick move? I mean, what kind of am antisocial turd would so such a thing?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Wow.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)After months of screaming about Bernie's supporters "silencing" people they go and post that.
It's the hypocrisy.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)At least until cali comes back.
polly7
(20,582 posts)The alerters who don't want it called out are watching for that closely now. Apparently it's over and done. But no apologies, no acknowledgement of it .......... nothing. Cali can't defend herself, so there's just no issue.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've had so many failed alerts on my posts I lost count.
But if they want to keep telling us how awful Bernie's supporters are they'd better be prepared to look in the mirror, because I'm going to keep carrying it around and holding it up.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I read that you and I can't look in a mirror and can't possibly have any friends in real life. Did you look in one today? I did .... it wasn't so bad.
That picture in the OP hurts my eyes though ...... seriously. It makes me dizzy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And didn't the op ask me why I hate Canadians, too?
I like what I see when I look at you, polly!
polly7
(20,582 posts)but it was okay, really.
I'm glad you don't hate me, or any other Canadian - don't know where he got that from. Weird.
I like what I see when I look at you too!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not that I hate him, I try not to hate anyone.
polly7
(20,582 posts)And I know that hating people isn't something you do. But whatever it takes to berate or insult, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And your chosen candidate.
At least try to be a little bit honest. That place is not about the truth at all, simply spewing hatred. If it were about anything more than that the "Issues" forum would have been opened from the get go. But that only happened because it was ridiculed that there was no issues discussion there either, just hate, and it was a full month after the other forums were filled with your smears, vile hatred and plots to stalk other DUers.
It's all been posted for everyone to see. So yeah, let's see if you can be a little bit honest.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)That's a fact. She did it more than once. Again that's a fact. Big corporations are backing her campaign, her foundation and her personal fortune. That's another fact.
In 2000 Rep Sanders (the nitwit that built the poster in the OP got it wrong) voted for a bill that got changed by the Senate and signed by your idol Pres Clinton. I have no doubt that H. Clinton will appoint the same financial advisers that her husband used that screwed the 99%. But I am wasting my breath on those that idolize the wealthy and ignore the 16 million children that live in poverty because of the Conservative rule by both parties.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Poster, please.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Who was the culprit?
treestar
(82,383 posts)What about his vote on this?
merrily
(45,251 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Why is BS to be immune from criticism like any other candidate. I've been told we have a positive duty to find something to criticize. So how come BS gets a pass? This is DU where the leaders get their feet held to the fire normally.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The modification that fucked up the economy, the one described in the OP was not in the bill Sanders voted on. The OP is false as to Sanders, but not as to Senators who voted for the modified bill or to the Clinton White House.
Tell me what was wrong with the bill he did vote yes on. And if you do find something wrong, then tell me why Clinton was pushing the bill. Maybe then, we can discuss this. but, so far, you've got nothing, except that a member of Congress voted on a bill. Stop the presses.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Get a life.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)He was in the House then. The bipartisan bill passed in the House, 377-4, with 51 not voting. It was passed with amendments on a voice vote in the Senate and signed into law by Bill Clinton. So what's your point?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder if the people who thought this was an awesome gotcha and recc'ed it realize this?
Too funny.
I'm bookmarking this thread.
So much fail in such a short op.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Can't you tell?
I hope he leaves it, shows how desperate and dishonest some people are to smear Bernie.
Considering who their candidate is they really shouldn't attack him on this issue.
Attacking him on his strengths is Rovian but it won't work on DU.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Thanks for posting the summary, VO, and for showing what a hopelessly idiotic reach is the OP.
Talk about throwing poop! Ol' George probably read recently that it's a sign of intelligence among certain primates.
merrily
(45,251 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but you knew that, and called it out..
Thank you for doing that.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Did you make that graphic all by yourself? It's pretty bad, graphic-design-wise.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Report1212
(661 posts)Even realized they confused the commodities futures modernization act with the financial services modernization act. Does anyone here? Has DU become illiterate?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)If they relegated themselves to posting truth it would be a mighty quiet bunch.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Response to George II (Original post)
1000words This message was self-deleted by its author.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Smile, your handiwork is on the Greatest page, George!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Say it ain't so, George!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Poor George.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Posting the gun nut meme didn't work out for him either.
Pity.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)You go George II
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Heh-heh! Ah . . . good grief.
Nice try, though.
LOOK AT HIS ENTIRE VOTING RECORD, NOT ONE VOTE COMPLETELY DIVORCED OF CONTEXT!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Yes votes included the votes of liberals Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, and Ed Markey.
The vote was "was taken under a House procedure called 'suspension of the rules' which is typically used to pass non-controversial bills."
I guess they didn't know what they were voting for.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h540
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)
...which Sanders voted for.
History of The Commodity Futures Modernization Act:
https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2009/04/01/read-the-bill-the-commodity-futures-modernization-act/
Roll call on the budget bill:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h603
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Or grasping at straws, shall we say?
Really bad graphic design, too 😜
merrily
(45,251 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Response to George II (Original post)
Old Crow This message was self-deleted by its author.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)can you blow it up a bit more?the awful resolution should be 10% more, to make it resemble a BS meme from a sleazy RWNJ website.
Just looking at the quality makes me want to wash my hands for 20 minutes.
AllyCat
(16,174 posts)Rovian in its construction.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Lame and pathetic.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Representative at the time. He became Senator in the 2006 election.
Good to see you took up the challenge:
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=978
merrily
(45,251 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Circle jerks were supposed to be fun, that one looks kinda sad for all its enthusiasm.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That's too bad.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I used to work with a guy who hated farmers. He would actually say that to me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Do the tt supporters drive late model Volvos and wear Birkenstock knock offs?
frylock
(34,825 posts)not really.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)LMAO...
Is Chae just setting them up she HATED Hillary just 7 years ago. I mean with a passion. Posted a super sexist toon about her and one that called her a LIAR. Is she really a Bernie supporter trying to make Hillary supporters look bad?
Georgie... don't trust her!!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)economy.
Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)
What a dishonest insinuation the Opening Post makes!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)The original post was absurd on the face of it--but it's nice to have the details behind this clumsy distortion. Thanks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I like it. Being prepared in advance is excellent--especially with the amount of propaganda being catapulted lately. This piece was a doozy, though. Glad you were ready to smack it down.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Reality is, Bubba lobbied hard for repeal of Glass Steagall and this bill, which most believe led us to the economic collapse of several nations of 2008. Sanders strenuously opposed the first and had nothing to do with the second. Hillary embraced both. Now (but not in 2008), they are trying to disassociate her from Bubba's administration and smear Bernie with this?
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)It is right out of bizarro world.
The willingness to distort reality, as evidenced by the original post, makes my skin crawl. It's one thing when someone has a different view. Differences of opinion I get. But when someone cynically distorts any reasonable understanding of reality in the hopes of misleading others? I feel like I need to take a shower when I see that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)his strengths.
Bush deserted, so they Swiftboated Kerry, who enlisted and got medals. Same principle.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Great comparison vis-a-vis the Kerry swiftboating.
Well, perhaps this is a good sign. They're upping the caliber of the propaganda, which suggests they're getting worried. Back in June, when I was debating an issue with a Hillary supporter, I was airily told that "Hillary is not at all concerned with the Sanders campaign." ~sniff~ (I probably imagined the sniff, but I could swear I somehow heard it over the Internet.)
Looks like they're getting concerned now.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hillary did not live through 2008 without learning she is not inevitable. That lesson is exactly why, before Obama even got re-elected, we starting hearing that, if she ran, no one would even bother running against her. She has been running to be the first woman President since at least 1991. However, after 2008, it got more thorough and methodical. It doesn't matter that it's Bernie. After people tried to draft him in 2012, I am sure that he and Warren were part of preparation for this campaign.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Well, you certainly expanded on his point well. You've got a lot of knowledge and good insight. I can see why Sabrina holds you in high regard. (I think she's awesome, by the way.)
merrily
(45,251 posts)she and woo me with science were my idols. I cannot express how much I miss woo me with science.
She hasn't posted since they put her DU account under review. She survived the review, but hasn't returned. I hope she is ok. Someone posted that she was having some RL issues at the time her account went under review. I worry about her a lot.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)No low is too low when it comes to protecting Her Majesty.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I blush, then bow humbly, in grateful respect.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)So at the next Seattle meet up do I owe you a beer or a bowl?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Nice catch there.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know if I would have caught it otherwise.
The reason I looked originally was that I had noticed that Rep. Sanders had voted for a bill that had allowed all that mortgage derivative crap. I thought, "This does not sound like something Sanders would vote for." So, I looked into it and, sure enough, the bill wasn't that way when he voted for it.
xocet
(3,871 posts)Yea 377, Nay 4, Not Voting 51
Bernie Sanders was a Representative at that point - not a Senator.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)to begin the political revolution, George, II?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)We saw how that turned out last time.
sheldon
(233 posts)Looks like Sanders is really making the Hillary supporters nervous now.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)To paraphrase The Queen of Wall Street herself: "Shame on You George 2! Shame on you!"....
merrily
(45,251 posts)Sanders has a million donors and many more supporters than donors. So does Hillary. The idea that anyone claims to know what the supporters of either of them is like is pretty ridiculous, second only to the idea that anyone is picking a President based on millions of his or her supporters behave.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)my intention was to Lampoon the ridiculous claims made by more than a few HRC supporters here. I would never choose a candidate in such a manner.
merrily
(45,251 posts)We all know who has and who hasn't.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:50 AM - Edit history (1)
To see your post up so high Georgie. Next time do your research . Good try though, like the kid taking a swing at the ball and wracking themselves in the crotch, I wince, but giggle.
On edit: I bet there was a reason OP at that other site had no interest sharing it here, did you get set up?
djean111
(14,255 posts)On the other hand, thanks for so cleverly illustrating the complete lack of investigative skills, and reliance on lying headlines, that seems to characterize lame and useless attacks against Bernie. Well done, there! No need to take you seriously any more, if there ever really WAS a need to do that! Thanks!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)appear. Also, maybe George really is incapable of comprehending his mistake.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)...and yes, I mean *that* kind of dump.
Pretty sad, really.
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)I've enjoyed watching you get your ass handed to you in this thread. Did you think no one would call you on the huge, gaping errors in your ugly meme, or did you even check it for accuracy?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Seems that when Bernie makes a bad call, it's OK. Bernie exceptionalism. After being accused of "not being able to handle criticism" of President Obama for years, it is funny to see probably the same posters cannot handle criticism of their candidate.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Did you even read the thread?
economy.
Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)
What a dishonest insinuation the Opening Post makes!
merrily
(45,251 posts)pushed for this bill and for repeal of Glass Steagall. I know you guys are trying to attack Bernie on his strengths and Clinton's weaknesses, ala Rove, but it 's not working well for you AT ALL>
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Only a dummkopf would not know it was a lie.
merrily
(45,251 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Please read the content of the voting record aND the references in what you call 'excuses'. I think you're smarter than this kind of pile on to a patently false statement.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Why am I not surprised?
1) Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000.
2) The bill in question was amended by the Senate after Sanders voted on it in the House. The modified version had the repeal that fucked up the economy.
3) Stupid "gotcha" lies aren't going to make Clinton into a personable candidate.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The Hillary camp seems to be mainly concerned with making shit up.
Kind of like Hillary.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Well at least you're consistent.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Why yes, yes it could.
K&R just because.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)to try to defend this nonsense.
Maybe because it's indefensible?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Happily you can depend on good ole Treestar to kick your post for you even after it has been proved to be pure and utter horseshit.
What a team!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Autumn
(45,037 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)When something is so feathering derped....
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)I knew this thread was going to be good. But not THIS good!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Stop spreading those terrible FACTS everywhere!!!!!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=640346
Puglover
(16,380 posts)their next trillion word post to actually read the substance of this OP. Another great member of the "team".
God how embarrassing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I am loving this thread, so much fail!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Every last one of their nonsense attempts at smearing or undercutting Bernie has been pounded into the ground like a tent peg with the hammer of facts. Yet they keep trying, in their sad little way. Herpity-derpity derp!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I love that picture, poor pooch!
GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Every time it seems to sink into the swamp, it keeps rising to the top again.
It's ALIVE eeeeeeeeee!
(I am only posting because it's back at the top again.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Next question.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)with links to votes and changes in the bill.
Remember the Clinton team, many of which became economic advisors to Obama? And why so many objected to his advisors???
Do you remember listening to Obama in 2007/2008 when he basically said said 'who could have predicted the financial problems' we now faced. Many did, but they obviously were not the same economic advisors who pushed for deregulation under Clinton and who were now giving advice to Obama. That is what happens, IMHO, when candidates rely on funding and advice from the same set of people. Sometimes you need a fresh look!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-blumenthal/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926.html
"In the waning days of the 106th Congress and the Clinton administration, Congress met in a lame-duck session to complete work on a variety of appropriations bills that were not passed prior to the 2000 election. There were other, unmet pet priorities of some lawmakers that were under consideration as well. One of those pet priorities was a 262-page deregulatory bill, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Tucked into a bloated 11,000 page conference report as a rider, with little consideration and no time for review, this bill would be viewed only eight years later as part of the failure of our political system abetting a financial storm that brought the world to its knees.
The saga of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act begins in 1998. At the time, the economy was booming, stocks soared, and new instruments of trading were found to make more money while evading the oversight of regulatory bodies. Two of those growing instruments were financial derivatives and credit-default swaps. As these new financial instruments emerged a debate began over whether or not to regulate them...
...Leading the charge in Congress were Sens. Phil Gramm (R-TX) and Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Rep. Thomas Ewing (R-IL). In May of 2000, Rep. Ewing introduced his Commodity Futures Modernization Act. While Ewing's bill sailed quickly through the House, it stalled in the Senate, as Sen. Gramm desired stricter deregulatory language be inserted into the bill. Gramm opposed any language that could provide the SEC or the CFTC with any hope of authority in regulating or oversight of financial derivatives and swaps. Gramm's opposition held the bill in limbo until Congress went into recess for the 2000 election.
...The final language, which the public was hardly aware of, contained some new sections not in the original Ewing bill that, for all intents and purposes, exempted swaps and derivatives from regulation by both the CFTC, which had already implemented rules that it would not regulate swaps and derivatives, and the SEC. Also, hidden within the bill was an exemption for energy derivative trading, which would later become known as the "Enron loophole" - this loophole would provide the impetus for Enron's nose dive into full blown corporate corruption..."
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Posted by slipslidingaway in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sat Apr 04th 2009, 02:07 PM
As Obama Taps Larry Summers, Recalling Summer's Days as a Regulation Foe
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/11/obama-taps-larry-summers-recalling-summers-days-regulation-foe
Summers 1998 Senate appearance...
"We understood the seriousness of making this proposal. To question an independent agency's concept of its jurisdiction and then to propose legislation that would temporarily curtail that agency's ability to act is not something we do lightly. We concluded, however, that such legislation was necessary to avoid disruption and dislocation in the market while the underlying issues were being considered by Congress.
Congress in late 2000 did end up implementing the Summers approach, when Senator Phil Gramm, then the head of the Senate banking committee, used a back-room maneuver to slip into a must-pass spending bill a measure that prevented the CFTC or the SEC from regulating derivatives..."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009...
"WILLIAM K. BLACK: There were two really big things, under the Clinton administration. One, they got rid of the law that came out of the real-world disasters of the Great Depression. We learned a lot of things in the Great Depression. And one is we had to separate what's called commercial banking from investment banking. That's the Glass-Steagall law. But we thought we were much smarter, supposedly. So we got rid of that law, and that was bipartisan. And the other thing is we passed a law, because there was a very good regulator, Brooksley Born, that everybody should know about and probably doesn't. She tried to do the right thing to regulate one of these exotic derivatives that you're talking about. We call them C.D.F.S. And Summers, Rubin, and Phil Gramm came together to say not only will we block this particular regulation. We will pass a law that says you can't regulate. And it's this type of derivative that is most involved in the AIG scandal. AIG all by itself, cost the same as the entire Savings and Loan debacle..."
Gothmog
(145,064 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Dude, seriously... do you not care how ridiculous this is?
I thought the alert stalking cali post over at the Clinton Cave would have shamed you at least a little bit, but this OP is just embarrassing. I think this one might even get ridiculed on Freeperville.