2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Hillary got the NEA endorsement. Did NEA tell the truth about Bernie's campaign? Or not.
Repost..I never found out anymore about this issue of truth-telling by campaigns, unions, and spokespersons. Was Bernie given the same access to the union leaders?
IMO today the NEA came out in favor of replacing public education with charter schools run by private companies without regulation.
Clinton endorsement divides teachers union
Subtitle: State officials and rank-and-file members plan to protest upcoming vote to endorse Hillary Clinton.
When it comes to the national NEA endorsement, however, Sanders campaign told POLITICO it did not get the same consideration from union officials as Clinton.
There was recently a phone interview that was arranged for Secretary Clinton with their board of directors, said a Sanders campaign official. That was never offered to us. An NEA spokesman did not respond to a request for comment about the phone interview.
But the spokesman said that Clinton, Sanders and OMalley have all met in person with NEAs president. And on July 2, the NEA reached out to the three campaigns to invite them to participate in a tele-town hall with members. They said Sanders never responded. After multiple attempts, the campaign failed to respond to our efforts to schedule a time and date for this tele-town hall during the back to school period. Sec. Clinton was the only campaign to respond, the spokesman said. Sanders campaign refuted that claim.
The Sander's campaign says differently.
"Our national field director, Phil Fiermonte, had conversations with the NEA's political director, Carrie Pugh, on more than one occasion and discussed possible dates for a tele-town hall with the senator," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said. "To say the Sanders' campaign 'failed to respond' is simply not true. In fact, a request by the Sanders campaign to allow the senator the same opportunity as Mrs. Clinton to speak with the NEA's board of directors was denied."[/blockquote
I predicted earlier that the NEA would endorse Hillary Clinton.
The money from the education "reformers" is vital to unions, it seems.
NEA remains faithful to Gates' funding.NEA doesnt directly receive the Gates funding. The NEA Foundation does.
...NEA and the NEA Foundation are two peas, same pod. The NEA Foundation is supported in part via NEA membership dues, and Garcia sits on the NEA Foundation board of directors.
Gates money to the NEA Foundation is Gates money to NEA. For example, consider these two July 2013 NEA Foundation grants:
Date: July 2013
Purpose: to support a cohort of National Education Association Master Teachers in the development of Common Core-aligned lessons in K-5 mathematics and K-12 English Language Arts
Amount: $3,882,600
Date: July 2013
Purpose: to support the capacity of state NEA affiliates to advance teaching and learning issues and student success in collaboration with local affiliates
Amount: $2,446,500
This $6.3 million was paid to the NEA Foundation but directed toward NEA members/affiliates.
The charter school views of Hillary Clinton are well-known, the Democrats have been strongly in favor. Education reform has advanced rapidly under a Democratic administration.
Bernie's education views are not really known yet. He supports public education, I know.
So it's safer for teachers' unions to go with the known.
I think though that members will give their votes to the candidate of their choice no matter who is endorsed.
I would just love to find out who is being honest about the tele-town hall.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)No matter how many unions endorse Clinton in the primary, the membership will vote with their heads, not their union cards.
jkbRN
(850 posts)It doesn't look like the members had much of a say, if any.
Make sure to do some reading before spewing false rhetoric.
Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-teachers-union-214190#ixzz3n9Ne10M7
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Bernie Sanders supporter all the way here.
My point was that the leadership can endorse whomever they choose, but the rank and file will vote for the candidate they support.
So, endorsements do not equal votes.
What about that is false rhetoric?
jkbRN
(850 posts)I thought you meant, the voting/polling that they do before endorsements (of members)!
My apologies!
BTW; totally agree w/ you, thank you for the clarification! hahahah
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)That strikes me as the appropriate thing to do.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)You are welcome and if it's any solace my thoughts are with you and your associates in this time of distress.
Things are gonna get easier:
frylock
(34,825 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In my mind it is union dealings that need to be done in the daylight with complete honesty.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I love you but we should embrace the spirit of Abraham Lincoln in his Second Inaugural and act with "with malice toward none, with charity for all."
reformist2
(9,841 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)opportunity as Clinton to share their vision as well as policy positions.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Sour grapes for those not so belonging and benefitting.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Yep, it also littered with corruption, have fun supporting a fraudulent system--you should be proud.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)My view in its purest form
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yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)She is 50 percent at least ahead of Bernie and earned the time. Bernie got the time he earned.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)to be viewed and after New York's primary registration deadline expired isn't enough for yeoman.
Some people just hate democracy.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's stunning.
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)to make their case, furthermore polls aren't static.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)40 years ago? Most are gotcha events.
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)critical in exposing the candidates' positions on the issues to the people.
Having said that I would like to see debate reform, the Commission on Presidential Debates has done a poor job in many respects focusing more on trying to shield the candidates and the political parties instead of enlightening the American People.
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)However I do believe with the growing power and influence of the Internet, the times are a changing.
One final point regarding "gotcha events" sometimes they're warranted exposing a candidate's cluelessness.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Will Debbie Waterboy allot time to each candidate based upon their current level of support in the polls?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)consideration. Not if you want to find out who best represents you. But we are way beyond that. Vote Clinton and her and the R-Cons will give us charter schools.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)Same way having money means you make more money, having power means you deserve more power
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)All I seem to do is stay in debt
Because, ah them that's got (yeah) are them that gets
And I tell you all I ain't got nothin' yet
That old sayin them that's got are them that gets
Is somethin I can't see
If ya gotta have somethin
Before you can get somethin
How do ya get your first is still a mystery to me
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I think that H. Clinton could tell Ray a thing or two. You have to sell your soul for wealth.
mwooldri
(10,291 posts)Is that fair?
In a democracy, elections are held where candidates have equal opportunity.
I know I'm comparing the party political debates to the NEA decision making process as to which candidate they should endorse. I think it's a fair one.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I guess that's par for the course for Hill's lovelies.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)than fresh water for the 99%. That's H. Clintons stand. I assume you agree, although it's really tough to get Clinton supporters to discuss issues. Maybe they are too complicated.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)How about you start your own OP instead of trying to hijack
EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)energy_model
(25 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of power. This isn't democracy, this is dirty politics as only the Clinton campaign can do.
Choose a side. Sen Sanders and the 99% or Clinton and the banksters, billionaires and Wall Frackin Street.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)This is the MO for electing the candidate of the "haves". The haves have been on the receiving end of largess, and other considerations, from their connections and they won't willingly permit that to change.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I loved how the endorsement was made by 75% of the BOARD OF DIRECTORS not of the dues paying membership.
Something stinks...again.
What was that other education endorsement that didn't consult the membership? That ticked off a lot of people.
Gman
(24,780 posts)and made a fine endorsement. Their members need to be proud of their wise choice in electing great leadership.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)they are having their salaries and school funding reduced due to crappy, unrealistic standardized test scores.
Gman
(24,780 posts)They can always be voted out. No problem.
Ford_Prefect
(7,817 posts)Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)jopacaco
(133 posts)My husband and I are both NEA members and we were not given any chance to give our opinions.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Not the only ones with a reputation.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Meantime, the rank and file will vote for the person they believe is the best person for this country.
Privatization is a blight on the world, as we see wherever it has reared its ugly head.
Best to know who the enemy is.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)I hope the O' Malley campaign says they're full of shit, too.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)The NEA leader are prawns of the right wing. Enemies of The People.
Now had Bernie got the endorsement.
THE NEA IS THE GREATEST! THEY #FEELTHEBERN!! Hillary IS DOOMED!!!!!!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)a Teacher's Union when it their Vote can be bought by an Outside Group that is not made up of Teacher Membership who pay dues?