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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:24 PM Oct 2015

So Hillary got the NEA endorsement. Did NEA tell the truth about Bernie's campaign? Or not.

Repost..I never found out anymore about this issue of truth-telling by campaigns, unions, and spokespersons. Was Bernie given the same access to the union leaders?

IMO today the NEA came out in favor of replacing public education with charter schools run by private companies without regulation.

Clinton endorsement divides teachers union

Subtitle: State officials and rank-and-file members plan to protest upcoming vote to endorse Hillary Clinton.


When it comes to the national NEA endorsement, however, Sanders’ campaign told POLITICO it did not get the same consideration from union officials as Clinton.

“There was recently a phone interview that was arranged for Secretary Clinton with their board of directors,” said a Sanders campaign official. “That was never offered to us.” An NEA spokesman did not respond to a request for comment about the phone interview.

But the spokesman said that Clinton, Sanders and O’Malley have all met in person with NEA’s president. And on July 2, the NEA reached out to the three campaigns to invite them to participate in a tele-town hall with members. They said Sanders never responded. “After multiple attempts, the campaign failed to respond to our efforts to schedule a time and date for this tele-town hall during the back to school period. Sec. Clinton was the only campaign to respond,” the spokesman said. Sanders’ campaign refuted that claim.


The Sander's campaign says differently.

"Our national field director, Phil Fiermonte, had conversations with the NEA's political director, Carrie Pugh, on more than one occasion and discussed possible dates for a tele-town hall with the senator," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said. "To say the Sanders' campaign 'failed to respond' is simply not true. In fact, a request by the Sanders campaign to allow the senator the same opportunity as Mrs. Clinton to speak with the NEA's board of directors was denied."[/blockquote

I predicted earlier that the NEA would endorse Hillary Clinton.

The money from the education "reformers" is vital to unions, it seems.

NEA remains faithful to Gates' funding.

NEA doesn’t directly receive the Gates funding. The NEA Foundation does.

...NEA and the NEA Foundation are two peas, same pod. The NEA Foundation is supported in part via NEA membership dues, and Garcia sits on the NEA Foundation board of directors.

Gates money to the NEA Foundation is Gates money to NEA. For example, consider these two July 2013 NEA Foundation grants:

Date: July 2013
Purpose: to support a cohort of National Education Association Master Teachers in the development of Common Core-aligned lessons in K-5 mathematics and K-12 English Language Arts
Amount: $3,882,600

Date: July 2013
Purpose: to support the capacity of state NEA affiliates to advance teaching and learning issues and student success in collaboration with local affiliates
Amount: $2,446,500

This $6.3 million was paid to the NEA Foundation but directed toward NEA members/affiliates.


The charter school views of Hillary Clinton are well-known, the Democrats have been strongly in favor. Education reform has advanced rapidly under a Democratic administration.

Bernie's education views are not really known yet. He supports public education, I know.

So it's safer for teachers' unions to go with the known.

I think though that members will give their votes to the candidate of their choice no matter who is endorsed.

I would just love to find out who is being honest about the tele-town hall.





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So Hillary got the NEA endorsement. Did NEA tell the truth about Bernie's campaign? Or not. (Original Post) madfloridian Oct 2015 OP
The horse has left the barn. Clinton (D) earned the endorsement. Sour grapes is not an argument. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1
Endorsements are not votes. I know you get that. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #3
oh really? jkbRN Oct 2015 #26
Are you sure you responded to the correct post? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #39
ohhh!! jkbRN Oct 2015 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #4
If there is not honesty by all...then it means little. madfloridian Oct 2015 #6
We should let them have this thread to commiserate with one another. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #7
Oooh thank you so much. madfloridian Oct 2015 #9
You are welcome and if it's any solace my thoughts are with you and your associates in this time... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #12
Clinton's "by any means necessary" strategy will backfire big time. frylock Oct 2015 #11
I put no blame on Clinton for this. madfloridian Oct 2015 #20
. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #14
I love you but we... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #17
More like the horse crapped in the barn. It stinks - it is yet another insider deal. reformist2 Oct 2015 #18
You are correct. I guess you are ok with charter schools. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #21
it's not 'sour grapes' when candidates were not given the same jkbRN Oct 2015 #24
Belonging to and being a lifelong leader of an established political party has it's benefits. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #30
EEEEEEEEK. jkbRN Oct 2015 #31
The old vomit emoticon response? My work here is done. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #32
Yep jkbRN Oct 2015 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #2
Bernie shouldn't get the same time Hillary does. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #5
New way of looking at things. madfloridian Oct 2015 #8
I guess limiting the number of debates and scheduling them for times when they would be least likely Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #13
I guess you are right. madfloridian Oct 2015 #15
Debates aren't for the candidates, they're for the people. All candidates should be given equal time Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #10
When's the last time we held a real debate? yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #27
Debates were better managed when The League of Women Voters sponsored them but they're still Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #29
P.S. As for the "gotcha events" that's more the fault of our dysfunctional corporate media. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #34
Same rules apply at the debates? frylock Oct 2015 #16
New Dem kind of Democracy? jwirr Oct 2015 #19
Now there is some "special" logic for you. Clinton leads in the polls so she gets special rhett o rick Oct 2015 #22
It's capitalist/corporatist logic a2liberal Oct 2015 #47
Ray Charles said it best: "Because, ah them that's got are them that gets And I ain't got nothin yet rhett o rick Oct 2015 #48
Right now, Republicans are getting more airtime than Democrats. mwooldri Oct 2015 #33
Uh,, What?? pangaia Oct 2015 #38
Wait? You don't believe in democracy? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #57
I bet it's in her emails! zappaman Oct 2015 #23
So let me get this straight. You support fracking because oil profits are more important rhett o rick Oct 2015 #49
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz zappaman Oct 2015 #55
At least I am trying to discuss issues. What is your objective here? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #59
Under the bus goes the union nt energy_model Oct 2015 #25
No not the workers, just the leadership. They had no choice. The Democratic Party Elite weild a lot rhett o rick Oct 2015 #50
The kulaks are counterrevolutionaries and enemies of the people. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #28
None of these developments are anamolies, or coincidences Babel_17 Oct 2015 #35
Thank you! SoapBox Oct 2015 #36
The NEA acted in the best interest of its members Gman Oct 2015 #41
I'm sure they will keep that in mind the next time they are in the picket line because liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #52
Then why did they vote for them in the first place? Gman Oct 2015 #58
It seems that some animals are still more equal than others. Ford_Prefect Oct 2015 #42
Well played Docreed2003 Oct 2015 #53
No one asked this NEA member jopacaco Oct 2015 #43
Get out your pitchforks and fire up your browsers. Y'all have a reputation to uphold. Metric System Oct 2015 #44
Slow EGazhi news day.....the last email dump has already taken a dump. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #45
Proud of my reputation for standing for truth. madfloridian Oct 2015 #46
I think we will find out. These things cannot be hidden in today's world. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #51
This an underhanded deal. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #54
Hillary supporters can't help but lie jfern Oct 2015 #56
Oh course not!!! ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #60
Maybe its an overstatement ...but should the NEA even be considered KoKo Oct 2015 #61
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
3. Endorsements are not votes. I know you get that.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

No matter how many unions endorse Clinton in the primary, the membership will vote with their heads, not their union cards.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
26. oh really?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Oct 2015
“An early endorsement for Clinton would be based only on advocacy by national and state leaders without membership input,” the letter states. “Like it or not, this is our time to mobilize against an endorsement next week not to moan about it." Members are being encouraged to write to their state association protesting the early endorsement.


It doesn't look like the members had much of a say, if any.

Make sure to do some reading before spewing false rhetoric.

Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-teachers-union-214190#ixzz3n9Ne10M7
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
39. Are you sure you responded to the correct post?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:54 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders supporter all the way here.

My point was that the leadership can endorse whomever they choose, but the rank and file will vote for the candidate they support.

So, endorsements do not equal votes.

What about that is false rhetoric?

jkbRN

(850 posts)
40. ohhh!!
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:59 PM
Oct 2015

I thought you meant, the voting/polling that they do before endorsements (of members)!

My apologies!

BTW; totally agree w/ you, thank you for the clarification! hahahah

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
7. We should let them have this thread to commiserate with one another.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:32 PM
Oct 2015

That strikes me as the appropriate thing to do.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
12. You are welcome and if it's any solace my thoughts are with you and your associates in this time...
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

You are welcome and if it's any solace my thoughts are with you and your associates in this time of distress.

Things are gonna get easier:

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. I put no blame on Clinton for this.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:50 PM
Oct 2015

In my mind it is union dealings that need to be done in the daylight with complete honesty.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
17. I love you but we...
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

I love you but we should embrace the spirit of Abraham Lincoln in his Second Inaugural and act with "with malice toward none, with charity for all."

jkbRN

(850 posts)
24. it's not 'sour grapes' when candidates were not given the same
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

opportunity as Clinton to share their vision as well as policy positions.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. Belonging to and being a lifelong leader of an established political party has it's benefits.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:15 PM
Oct 2015

Sour grapes for those not so belonging and benefitting.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
31. EEEEEEEEK.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:17 PM
Oct 2015

Yep, it also littered with corruption, have fun supporting a fraudulent system--you should be proud.

Response to madfloridian (Original post)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. Bernie shouldn't get the same time Hillary does.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

She is 50 percent at least ahead of Bernie and earned the time. Bernie got the time he earned.

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
13. I guess limiting the number of debates and scheduling them for times when they would be least likely
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

to be viewed and after New York's primary registration deadline expired isn't enough for yeoman.

Some people just hate democracy.

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
10. Debates aren't for the candidates, they're for the people. All candidates should be given equal time
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

to make their case, furthermore polls aren't static.

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
29. Debates were better managed when The League of Women Voters sponsored them but they're still
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

critical in exposing the candidates' positions on the issues to the people.

Having said that I would like to see debate reform, the Commission on Presidential Debates has done a poor job in many respects focusing more on trying to shield the candidates and the political parties instead of enlightening the American People.

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
34. P.S. As for the "gotcha events" that's more the fault of our dysfunctional corporate media.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

However I do believe with the growing power and influence of the Internet, the times are a changing.

One final point regarding "gotcha events" sometimes they're warranted exposing a candidate's cluelessness.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
16. Same rules apply at the debates?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:41 PM
Oct 2015

Will Debbie Waterboy allot time to each candidate based upon their current level of support in the polls?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Now there is some "special" logic for you. Clinton leads in the polls so she gets special
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:53 PM
Oct 2015

consideration. Not if you want to find out who best represents you. But we are way beyond that. Vote Clinton and her and the R-Cons will give us charter schools.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
47. It's capitalist/corporatist logic
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015

Same way having money means you make more money, having power means you deserve more power

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. Ray Charles said it best: "Because, ah them that's got are them that gets And I ain't got nothin yet
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:56 PM
Oct 2015
I'm sneakin in and out duckin' my landlord
All I seem to do is stay in debt
Because, ah them that's got (yeah) are them that gets
And I tell you all I ain't got nothin' yet
That old sayin them that's got are them that gets
Is somethin I can't see
If ya gotta have somethin
Before you can get somethin
How do ya get your first is still a mystery to me

Read more: Ray Charles - Them That Got Lyrics | MetroLyrics


I think that H. Clinton could tell Ray a thing or two. You have to sell your soul for wealth.


mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
33. Right now, Republicans are getting more airtime than Democrats.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

Is that fair?

In a democracy, elections are held where candidates have equal opportunity.

I know I'm comparing the party political debates to the NEA decision making process as to which candidate they should endorse. I think it's a fair one.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. So let me get this straight. You support fracking because oil profits are more important
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015

than fresh water for the 99%. That's H. Clintons stand. I assume you agree, although it's really tough to get Clinton supporters to discuss issues. Maybe they are too complicated.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
50. No not the workers, just the leadership. They had no choice. The Democratic Party Elite weild a lot
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:17 AM
Oct 2015

of power. This isn't democracy, this is dirty politics as only the Clinton campaign can do.

Choose a side. Sen Sanders and the 99% or Clinton and the banksters, billionaires and Wall Frackin Street.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
35. None of these developments are anamolies, or coincidences
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:27 PM
Oct 2015

This is the MO for electing the candidate of the "haves". The haves have been on the receiving end of largess, and other considerations, from their connections and they won't willingly permit that to change.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
36. Thank you!
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:28 PM
Oct 2015

I loved how the endorsement was made by 75% of the BOARD OF DIRECTORS not of the dues paying membership.

Something stinks...again.

What was that other education endorsement that didn't consult the membership? That ticked off a lot of people.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
41. The NEA acted in the best interest of its members
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:09 PM
Oct 2015

and made a fine endorsement. Their members need to be proud of their wise choice in electing great leadership.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
52. I'm sure they will keep that in mind the next time they are in the picket line because
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

they are having their salaries and school funding reduced due to crappy, unrealistic standardized test scores.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
43. No one asked this NEA member
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:25 PM
Oct 2015

My husband and I are both NEA members and we were not given any chance to give our opinions.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. I think we will find out. These things cannot be hidden in today's world.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:21 AM
Oct 2015

Meantime, the rank and file will vote for the person they believe is the best person for this country.

Privatization is a blight on the world, as we see wherever it has reared its ugly head.

Best to know who the enemy is.

ronnykmarshall

(35,356 posts)
60. Oh course not!!!
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

The NEA leader are prawns of the right wing. Enemies of The People.

Now had Bernie got the endorsement.

THE NEA IS THE GREATEST! THEY #FEELTHEBERN!! Hillary IS DOOMED!!!!!!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
61. Maybe its an overstatement ...but should the NEA even be considered
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:33 AM
Oct 2015

a Teacher's Union when it their Vote can be bought by an Outside Group that is not made up of Teacher Membership who pay dues?



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