The Establishment Rejects the People's Candidate. Confirming the Main Reason Why Sanders is Surging!

[sabrina 1]

They are afraid, they are beholden to their Corporate Donors. Nothing has exposed the 'rigged system' (thanks Elizabeth Warren) more than the fear of the beholden to endorse the candidate the People are choosing.

The most important issue in this campaign is the corrosive, corrupting effect of money on our electoral system.

Who will be the first Democrat with the courage to endorse the only Candidate who opposes with his words AND actions, the Democracy destroying ruling of the Corporate Supreme Court, Citizens United?

[riversedge]

1. Where is he 'surging"??

[sabrina 1]

2. Why are Hillary's numbers plummeting so fast? Why is she losing key demographics

such as women voters? Why is Sanders beating her in NH and Iowa considering how little name recognition he has?

Why are so many previously non-voters, signing up as Dems to vote for him?

He is only ten points behind a candidate who just months ago was considered to be unbeatable in a Dem Primary.

National polls, which don't include the soon to be newly registered Dems in closed Primary states, or those supporters who will wait until the GE to register as Dems, are showing she is trending down each and every month, while he continues to trend upwards even with Dems?

Explain how, just months ago people such as yourself eg, dismissed him completely, but now feel threatened enough by him to focus almost exclusively on HIS campaign rather than promote your own candidate?

[billhicks76]

58. Shut Down The Hillary Group!!!

We shouldn't have private comments or groups and especially they shouldn't show up in Trending Now. If they wanna have back room closed groups which are antithetical to democracy them let them go do it under a rock somewhere where it belongs. It's shameful and embarrassing to have groups pop up in our face that only yes people are allowed to comment on. And it's symbolic of what Hillary is all about. Not surprising she is intimate teammates with the Bush Family. I'd like to see both those families investigated for colluding.

[sabrina 1]

64. No need to shut it down, it seems to be pretty boring compared to the Sanders group.

If Sanders supporters were to leave DU it would like that group.

I love you bill, but I'm not for silencing anyone. Because we don't need to. Look at the Bernie Group eg, only a few months old and nearly 700 members so far. Then look at DU Donations to campaigns. Bernie's DUers have donated thousands to their candidate, Hillary's, it's embarrassing. But then they know she'll be getting all those Corporate donations I suppose

[billhicks76]

65. What Kind Of Fools Think A Closed Hillary Group Helps?

Where are their brains? They can't convince people of their positions so they just exclude them? It's all in house back slapping there and it's pathetic. It's like a communist country newspaper where everyone agrees and the fearless leader wins with 99% of the vote. And they think we would even consider allowing people like that to represent us? What are they gonna do....quote another meaningless national poll based on name recognition and hand over a win to the republicans when people figure out Hillary? Relying on a best hope of republicans electing their own fool isn't wise. It's obvious a 3rd party candidate will enter based on this folly and make all numbers unreliable

[SusanaMontana41]

72. It's hard to persuade people who disagree with you

when you shut out people who disagree with you.

The circular arguments have me spinning.

[billhicks76]

73. Clinton Fake Opportunism Has Become Repulsive

Brainless surrogates blame sexism but cmon she's a total fake.

[SusanaMontana41]

75. Full disclosure: I blame my support for Bernie on his bald head. I can't resist bald men.

My first crush was Ed Asner on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show."

tsst.

[SusanaMontana41]

76. Just like its candidate, the Hillary Group is insular.

Right down to hand-picking its audience.

[NobodyHere]

80. Sanders isn't winning Iowa right now if the polls are to be believed.

He may have been surging but right now Sanders has plateaued.

I say that as a Sanders supporter. Of course who knows what will happen tomorrow?

[Fuddnik]

3. You can't see it where you're looking.

[sabrina 1]

4. love your sigline ...

[daleanime]

5. Where was he 3 months ago?

Where is he now?


If you wouldn't call that a 'surge', what would you call it?

Feel free to surprise me with some honesty.

[AgingAmerican]

14. A bi-monthly series of 'plateau's'

each out-peaking the previous adding up to a net gain!

[daleanime]

16. Probably the closest to an honest answer....

that I'm going to get.

[SusanaMontana41]

77. You mean truthful answer. eom

[uponit7771]

6. You notice no one so far has directly answered your question

[sabrina 1]

10. They have, you missed it, or ignored it maybe?

[uponit7771]

11. Overt condescension isn't answering a question just responding to it

[Armstead]

15. Condescentin aside....He was unknown and dosmissed as "fringe" a few months ago. Now....

...he's either ahead or nipping at her heels, depending on which poll on which day.

I'd say that fits the definition of a surge.

[sabrina 1]

17. No, it isn't. So why not discuss how someone who was at 3% in National polls has rocketed

to within 10 points of the presumed unbeatable, well financed, with 100% name recognition, Dem Party choice for the nomination?

At first, he was dismissed with the claims that without Corporate Funds, with zero name recognition, he could not possibly keep up the momentum of his announcement excitement.

To be honest, I agreed. How could he get his message out there to enough people to stay relevant in the race?

But I supported him anyhow. Because he spoke for me and for so many Democrats I know.

And the numbers began to change. From 3% to 9%, 15%, 25%, over 40% in NH, and in Iowa eventually, he he beat the presumed unbeatable Dem Party choice. In Utah, WV, Oregon, his numbers began to rise.

And this is without his actual supporters being counted. The non-voters who are not yet registered so not being polled. The Independents who won't register as Dems until the last minute, to vote for Bernie.

To rocket from zero recognition to within ten points of well financed Dem Party candidate, with no Super Pacs, no negative ads, no Corporate money, THAT is a surge.

[Duckfan]

26. What is it called when someone is about 50 points behind in June...

But is ahead by 10 in New Hampshire in Sept?





Couldn't possibly be a surge. No way Jose.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

60. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[SusanaMontana41]

78. I think we are there, baby! nt

[artislife]

23. I think you both are confusing surging with front runner

Yes, H is still the front runner.
Bernie is surging,

surge
surging
(of a crowd or a natural force) move suddenly and powerfully forward or upward.
"the journalists surged forward"
synonyms: gush, rush, stream, flow, burst, pour, cascade, spill, overflow, sweep, roll More
increase suddenly and powerfully, typically during an otherwise stable or quiescent period.
"shares surged to a record high"

You see, he came out of nowhere, known only to his state and a few political junkies and Thom Hartman fans and created a movement.

This is what we are trying to convey to you.

[uponit7771]

33. The question is where empirically is Sanders surging? tia

[magical thyme]

35. nationally, his support has gone from 6% in mid-March to 27% now -- growing nearly 5-fold

That is a surge.

In NH, he has gone from 10% in mid-February to 46% now.

In IA, from 5% in mid-February to 27% now.

In FL, from 3% in mid-March to 18% now.

In OH, from 3% in mid-March to 18% now.

In NC, from 3% in mid-March to 20% now.

In SC, from 2% in mid-March to 22% now.

[riversedge]

30. yup. still waiting.

[Gore1FL]

57. Post 56 has your answer

you're welcome.

[AgingAmerican]

13. America

He's sweeping the nation!

[Gore1FL]

56. In the polls

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

[cui bono]

59. ...

[Todays_Illusion]

7. The Billionaire Boys should be celebrating that we are going for "The Bern," not the guillotine.nt

[cantbeserious]

8. No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[sabrina 1]

9. You can say that again. And I know you will cantbeserious!

[SusanaMontana41]

12. Hmm. Define "Democrat."

I'm a Roosevelt Democrat and don't recognize my party anymore.

The corporate whores never will back Bernie, because that's not what they're paid to do.

[sabrina 1]

19. Good question, I just asked it myself in another thread. Joe Liebermann?

Third Way Conservo Dems who support the privatization of everything AND every war we can get ourselves involved in? Who are for privatizing FDR's social safety nets?

I don't know what a Dem is anymore. Bernie to me is a Dem as I understand the term.

[SusanaMontana41]

71. Liebermann.

Third Way poster boy.

[Todays_Illusion]

55. Will Rogers did long ago: " I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." nt

[SusanaMontana41]

70. He did! But when?

I just can't see him supporting the DLC (or whatever it's called today).

[Uncle Joe]

18. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[MasonDreams]

20. Bernie will politically educate millions!!!

Congress is next. We'll make Citizens United eat those 2 words!!

[sabrina 1]

22. Yes, and we will challenge those who claim to represent us to stand up now because

they KNOW Bernie is telling the truth, and support him.

This is a great opportunity to find out who needs to be challenged in 2016. Bernie will have long coat tails.

We are at a pivotal moment in our history. So far I see a terrible lack of courage in our so-called Reps.

But they are replaceable. And it's good to know who needs to go so we can provide President Sanders with a Congress that like him, represents the people.

[smilingwen]

25. We need to compile a list

of the candidates that are on the same page as Bernie and are up for election in 2016. We need to get him as much help as we can.

[enid602]

27. 25 years

But he's already been in Washington for 25 years. He doesn't appear to have 'politically educated' too many congressmen.

[MasonDreams]

29. They'll learn, or not, from the People

[enid602]

32. teaparty

Yes, I've heard this from a few posters. I think you're referring to 'primarying' incumbents, a strategy which has done much to add to the polarization of this country, and one which was responsible for the last Government shut down. I don't know if the bernbots will be as successful as the Tea Party, though. God help us if they are.

[Lucky Luciano]

36. So you disapprove of an FDR style politician. Got it. nt

[enid602]

40. FDR?

I think comparing Bernie's style to FDR is a bit premature. Of course, he's only been in Congress for 25 years.

[sabrina 1]

43. Based on his work in congress yes, he most definitely is an FDR style politician.

Very much the style of FDR. Eg, his direct relationship with the PEOPLE, his condemnation of the Money that is controlling our Reps. USING the People to help him, which is how he got so much done for the people of his state, sometimes against incredible opposition.

Now he will be representing all of us. And I am certain his FDR style politics in Vt, will not change when he is President.

He will go to the PEOPLE when he needs backing. He is beholden to NO Corporation since he has taken no money from them.

Very definitely reminds people of FDR.

[enid602]

46. bern

He's beholden to the House for its witch hunt against Hillary, and to the press, which continues to foster doubt even after each allegation is disproven. And he's beholden to the millions of gullible people who really really believe he's got a snowball's chance in hell of redistributing wealtth in this vountry

[sabrina 1]

47. Could you provide a link to your claim that Bernie is involved in a Congressional Witch hunt of

Hillary? I admit, this is a new one, but we need to clear these things up as soon as they rear their heads so we know whether it is just someone blathering on the internet, or is an actual fact.

Bernie has repeatedly REFUSED to trash Hillary even when he could have but instead DEFENDED her, over and over again. Would like to see some of those defenses which have now become FAMOUS and RESPECTED that he has taken the HIGH ROAD every time.

Since he has NO Super Pacs funded by Dark Money to put out nasty SMEARS, see Hillary's Super Pac run by Brock eg, there will no such smears as THAT aimed at HIM, coming from HIS campaign against her.

Anyhow, please post a link to something to back that claim you just made.

I will check back as I want to KNOW what they are doing. If there is none, we cross this off the list as just more ranting and attacking of BERNIE SANDERs.

[enid602]

48. responsible?

He's not responsible for ir; he's merely the beneficiary.

[sabrina 1]

50. So it was just blathering. He benefits from the Sun and the Moon also. What does any of that

have to do with HIM? THIS is the kind of mindless garbage that needs to be exposed each time it appears so we make sure it never gains any traction.

Iow, there was NOTHING Sanders has done to cause you to make that statement?

I have to wonder why anyone would do that. Make a statement, tying someone to something they have NOTHING to do with, then rather than simply apologizing for it, try to BLAME them for what others are doing, by claiming 'well they benefit from it'.

Unbelievable.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

61. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[sabrina 1]

62. Yes, that is why Bernie repeats and repeats the most important message people need to hear!

Get the MONEY OUT OF POLITICS! Until that happens nothing else can be achieved. If that was the only thing he was saying, I would support him on that alone.

Once that is accomplished, THEN we can get down to all the other issues.

But when you see OUR party members voting for Wall St/MIC policies, they are doing it BECAUSE of that money.

When we see OUR party members putting 'SS on the Deficit Table' they are doing it BECAUSE of that that money.

So step one in the rebuilding of this country and OUR PARTY is to remove the corrosive, corrupting money from our electoral system.

[jwirr]

45. Those of us who are old enough to remember about FDR

see Bernie as an FDR candidate. As to educating congress. His votes and actions alone in the last 25 years should be education enough.

[Marty McGraw]

49. FDR

oh... and Bernie

The Second Bill of Rights

[Caretha]

67. So you have the

audacity to compare a Democratic primary candidate to the Tea Party?

Why aren't you the special divider....thank you previous Bush supporter you

[MasonDreams]

81. I'm not even talking about "throw the bums out". Just changing minds.

Attn. If you want to remain in Office, you"ll need to work for the voters, not Bribes. Bribes that you'll use to "convince" voters. No, I should say deceive, yea "deceive" voters.

Follow the $$$ Root out the corruption.

[sabrina 1]

38. Actually he has. Not only that, but several of them have worked with him

on issues of importance.

Which is why it is notable that our Reps are so frightened to go against the money that controls.

Because we know how much respect people on both sides have for him. Mainly due to having worked with him for so long in some cases

But of course, if they were to go against the Corporate choice, their own funding and support could and would be gone.

I doubt he expected any endorsements from his many friends in Congress.

No one knows better how it works, which is the reason why he is running.

I just like to highlight these serious problems, because we do NOT live in a democracy. People are now very aware of that. But it doesn't hurt to repeat it until such time as the people take over, as they should.

[SoapBox]

21. K & R

Good post Sabrina.

[hay rick]

24. K&R

[silverweb]

28. K&R

[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie!
Ride the purple wave and join The Purple Revolution!

[Duckfan]

31. I just get a little nervous thinking of what could happen after New Hampshire.

It will truly be a revolution if Bernie wins a majority of the Super Tuesday states.
This is a partial schedule:

FEBRUARY 9, 2016:
New Hampshire - Presidential Primary

FEBRUARY 20, 2016:
South Carolina - Presidential Primary

FEBRUARY 23, 2016:
Nevada - Democratic Presidential Caucuses

MARCH 1, 2016:
Alabama - Presidential & State Primary
Alaska - Republican Presidential Caucuses
Arkansas - Presidential & State Primary
Colorado - Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Massachusetts - Presidential Primary
Minnesota - Presidential Caucuses
North Dakota - Republican Presidential Caucuses
Oklahoma - Presidential Primary
Tennessee - Presidential Primary
Texas - Presidential & State Primary
Vermont - Presidential Primary
Virginia - Presidential Primary
Wyoming - Republican Presidential Caucuses

MARCH 5, 2016:
Kansas - Presidential Caucuses
Louisiana - Primary Election
Maine - Presidential Caucuses
Nebraska - Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Washington - Republican Presidential Caucuses

MARCH 8, 2016:
Hawaii - Republican Presidential Caucuses
Idaho - Republican Presidential Caucuses
Michigan - Presidential Primary
Mississippi - Presidential & State Primary

MARCH 13, 2016:
Puerto Rico - Primary Election

MARCH 14, 2016:
Ohio - Filing Deadline (Independents)

MARCH 15, 2016:
Florida - Presidential Primary
Illinois - Presidential & State Primary
Missouri - Presidential Primary
North Carolina - Presidential Primary
Ohio - Presidential & State Primary

MARCH 22, 2016:
Idaho - Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Arizona - Presidential Primary
Arkansas - Primary Runoff
Utah - Presidential Caucuses

MARCH 26, 2016:
Alaska - Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Hawaii - Democratic Presidential Caucuses
Washington - Democratic Presidential Caucuses

MARCH 29, 2016:
Mississippi - Primary Runoff

APRIL 5, 2016:
Wisconsin - Presidential Primary

APRIL 9, 2016:
Wyoming - Democratic Presidential Caucuses

APRIL 12, 2016:
Alabama - Primary Runoff

APRIL 13-16, 2016:
Constitution Party Presidential Nominating Convention - Salt Lake City, Utah

APRIL 19, 2016:
New York - Presidential Primary

APRIL 26, 2016:
Connecticut - Presidential Primary
Delaware - Presidential Primary
Maryland - Presidential & State Primary
Pennsylvania - Presidential & State Primary
Rhode Island - Presidential Primary

[sabrina 1]

39. Thanks for this. It's good to have that information.

[Scuba]

34. Kickety kick kick.

[raouldukelives]

37. K&R

[Le Taz Hot]

41. K & R

for another excellent Sabrina 1 thread.

[freebrew]

42. K&R

[99Forever]

44. [phone]

[Puzzledtraveller]

51. Shit, they have probably half of our party, maybe more buying the approved party line.

[sabrina 1]

52. Yes, they do. It explains all the disappointing votes coming from Dems, see the defunding of ACORN

eg, that we were often so puzzled by. The Iraq War, among others.

But now we know. We waited too long, even participated in the 'rigging' of the system out of fear of the bigger 'evil'.

I think people are now done playing that game. The people have been developing their OWN strategy to return the government to the people.

Eg, the last two mid terms, the party refused to listen when voters said they did not want Third Way candidates. So voters focused on the local and state elections, getting progressive issues on local boards and WINNING.

This has been building for a long time, our party has been infiltrated, now we have to re-infiltrate it and remove those who do not represent the people who elect them.

[Puzzledtraveller]

54. It amounts to a corporate takeover of the Democratic party.

This had already occurred on the Republican side. Wall Street could not afford politicians and a White House that did not put their interests at the forefront. This was achieved by singling out social issues as the bait to sow the partisan divide necessary to complete the illusion. The illusion that there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans in Washington. Even now many voters only see the perceived differences of those being social issues, abortion, LGBT rights, racial inequality at the social level, not economic level.
I do not doubt many Democratic voters are and have been concerned about more than just the social and cultural issues but that the establishment's of both parties could now for the most part rely on their respective stances on social issues to be just enough to get votes. So that if social issues were at the surface of the distinction between the Republicans and Democrats you did not have to go much deeper to discover that they were more a like than different. The execution may vary and the participants may be different depending on what side you are on but ultimately it's been about the very wealthy making sure they remain wealthy and that no one be allowed to climb the ladder upward. The process and the voters had become corporatized. The process and the voters have been reduce to being either for Coke, or Pepsi.

[sabrina 1]

63. Yes it does. That's why the Dem Party has lost 10% of its registered voters since 2008

[Dont call me Shirley]

53. We need more Fringe! Lots more Fringe!

[Phlem]

66. Kick!

[YOHABLO]

68. It seems, however that Bernie is spending a lot of time in the N.Eastern sector of the U.S.

Kudos for that, but hell people love Bernie all over this country. Even down here in the South!

[Persondem]

69. But he's NOT surging. He's neck and neck with Biden and fading.

The last 5 national polls show the gap widening.

[sabrina 1]

74. He's beating her in NH and Iowa, and in Utah and even of all places WV, and according to other polls

who don't just poll older dems, and mostly those with landlines, but poll his real base, Indies and people across the political spectrum, he's beating her in every state.

You can't win with just the base, which has shrunk by 10% since 2008, now at only 32% of registered voters. I eg, am taking a formerly non voter to register as a Dem in Ny this week because she now wants to vote for Bernie. This is going to happen all over the country. These voters are not reflected in these polls. Open primary states eg, can't be polled on Bernie's support.

The only way to get an accurate view of his support is in online polls. And in pretty much all of those, he is way ahead of all of them.

Iow Bernie has taken approx 25% of the Dem base, leaving Hillary with the rest of that 32%. She has very little crossover appeal, Repubs won't vote for her, Indies are for Bernie, so how can you win with only the that small number of voters?

[Faux pas]

79. Kicketty Kickin'