2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMorning Joe does a case of overcompensation re:Bernie
Good ol' Morning Joe team actually discussed Saanders as a serious candidate and did a lot of mea culpas for not taking him seriously this morning. Pjnting to his numbers and all other indicators, they actually went it of his way to say he desrved to taken as a contender.
Even Mark Halprin -- that addict of conventional wisdom -- said Sanders has a humorouos and very warm side that he should bring out more.
It was weird.
monmouth4
(9,664 posts)drove me away..
Armstead
(47,803 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Because she's awful. It would be hard to pick a better amount the Republican candidates, but it wouldn't be her.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)His appeal to conservatives and trying to bring on a pre-mature peak?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)RIGHT?
Boston isn't full of commie tree huggers, or yoga practicing tiny-house commune occupants.
If it plays in Boston, it's clearly time to take it seriously and more to the point, there's a debate coming up, that needs a build up lead-in narrative that will support days of post-debate discussion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In 2008 and 2015 their big primary-season tactic is bringing down HRC. In 2008 they just LOVED her closest competitor Obama and built him up good -- not realizing they were helping to eventually elect HIM. Since all the positive exposure Bernie can get at this point helps him similarly, by all means enjoy.
I don't watch it, just a horrible way to start the day getting all worked up watching that shit fuck ...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that was about the time I said...been there, done that, no more. I did turn on Andrea Mitchell the next day to see how she took being so wrong (very subdued), and that was the last time I watched her at all.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)spouting conventional wisdom to gain eyeballs. They're typical media prostitutes, who'll jump anything they think will attract eyeballs, while remaining in the DC/NY cocoon.
So, if they see Bernie offering a real contest, they'll go for it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to push a lie, state it, then cut to a commercial before anyone else needed to respond. At one point during either the 2008 election a Joe and MSNBC regular who called a MSM anti-HRC lie out for what it was (pretending Joe wasn't pushing it) that guy disappeared from MSNBC. Later when I checked back in I couple of times saw Joe disappear into another room with one conservative to hit questionable points together, away from the others. Last couple times I've watched, he had his crew in line, with the show steadily pulling for the GOP and no uncomfortable incidents.
Money, viewership and partisanship are not mutually exclusive.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Given the record.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)is too noticeable. Now they start attacking!
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I was just spit balling matey, I'm not sure I understood you.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)of ignoring or saying he has no chance.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Or his fundraising and donor pool.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It seems he's reaching the threshold of being too big to ignore
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)so naturally he wants to support Bernie now. Moringin Joe has been on an anti-Hillary pro Bernie Sanders campaign for months anyway. It's noting new.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)Bernie matches up with anyone in the clown car very well thank you. If it was Mano a Mano with Bernie vs. clown America would all hear his actual message and compare it to whatever diarrhea comes out of the clown's mouth and bingo, we have Bernie!
The mood in this country is not one to elect a Republican this time around. Many more Republicans are up for re-election and many of those will be gone! Besides, we all will get behind whoever is the Democratic nominee, right?
merrily
(45,251 posts)The idea that, because they simply cannot get away with ignoring Sanders after the fundraising report AND the Boston rally, means they want to run against Bernie to win is ludicrous on its face.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)They trash her on an almost daily basis.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Please.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)But they do it off the air. Mostly in their car on the ride home. Or while theyre sleeping. Or in the shower. But they definitely talk about him when no one is around to hear it. Its like the tree falling in the woods!
merrily
(45,251 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)To hold all my lattes while Im votin for a commie
Worked kinda hard sometimes, with no help from the Dems
But at least I got a Lexus, not some fuel suckin Benz!
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know where you pulled that from, but it's false.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128036990
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They're simply beginning to realize they can't keep ignoring and dismissing a candidate who is holding his own and raising a lot of money and drawing crowds and generating excitement.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Here are the most recent rankings from Predictwise http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
Joe Biden 16 %
Bernie Sanders 12 %
Biden has a better chance of being the nominee compared to Sanders. I am not sure why Joe is promoting Sanders but I do not trust morning Joe and I do not watch this program
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)With VP Biden getting half of the votes of 2nd place Sen Sanders.
You posted some poll of probability of getting a nomination.
Saw the same thing last week when people posted Biden's tops in likeability poll numbers while ignoring the same results that showed he comes in 3rd in actually voting for Democratic nominees.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)"In the Democratic race, Hillary Clinton is the first choice of 42 percent of primary voters, Sanders is in second at 35 percent and Joe Biden third at 17 percent. No other Democrat gets more than 1 percent."
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-2016-gop-race-n433991
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)hedda_foil
(16,368 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)That show has gone out of its way to avoid mentioning Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128036990
The fundraising report and the huge Boston crowd left media no cover for ignoring him today.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)But pointing out a pig singing is common. Joe n the morning poo-crew being positive about Bernie draws the same reaction from me, "the fuck am I hearing?"
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Don't be ridiculous
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)change the name to Morning John (cuz everyone uses a john in the morning), and have John Oliver as host.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)If he would just cross over to the more Wall Street/ corporations and politics are one neolib way of thinking and stop with the political revolution shtick he wouldn't scare the pants off of the six giant corporations that own us...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie sometimes comes across as stern and humorless That repoter was simply pointing ut that he does have a seense of humor, and has a life and is more personable than he sometimes seems.
Not about policies or anything else like that.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)My point was there's nothing stern or humorless about Sanders..There's this media talking point that keeps getting repeated that Sander's is a grumpy old man. When in fact he's passionate about a nation that is selling out poor and middle class.
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)their beloved GOP candies? The word must be out to take down Sanders.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It was good shtick to laugh at his chances, now it's good for ratings to talk about his amazing campaign.
And that's OK. I thought I saw this component to the Sanders campaign, early on, and I was impressed by what I saw as the underlying competence, even genius, that went into formulating how the Sanders campaign would unfold.
He's a firebrand, but he's the rare one who isn't going negative on his opponents, out of the gate. He has a broad platform and agenda for change, but he narrowed it down in the beginning to core ideas that everyone in the 99% could get behind.
Commentators who laughed at his chances don't have to feel shame for having done so. They can effortlessly do a 180 and praise the campaign to elect Senator Sanders. That's just one practical example of why Sanders will get elected. The campaign to elect him truly is something new, and wonderful.