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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:05 AM Oct 2015

Morning Joe does a case of overcompensation re:Bernie

Good ol' Morning Joe team actually discussed Saanders as a serious candidate and did a lot of mea culpas for not taking him seriously this morning. Pjnting to his numbers and all other indicators, they actually went it of his way to say he desrved to taken as a contender.

Even Mark Halprin -- that addict of conventional wisdom -- said Sanders has a humorouos and very warm side that he should bring out more.

It was weird.

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Morning Joe does a case of overcompensation re:Bernie (Original Post) Armstead Oct 2015 OP
I saw that and stayed with MJ much longer than usual this morning..LOL. The Carly discussion monmouth4 Oct 2015 #1
Well, even though she's awful, she does deserve to be taken seriusly too Armstead Oct 2015 #3
She needs to be taken seriously...... daleanime Oct 2015 #31
Maybe they're seeing JackInGreen Oct 2015 #2
Boston isn't the -other- coast. There are some serious people are in Boston HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #8
Like 2008 and 2012, the Morning Joe team is committed to electing a Republican. Hortensis Oct 2015 #9
YEP Cosmocat Oct 2015 #19
Oh, so agree! In 2008 they gathered in NH to party at HRC's funeral, and Hortensis Oct 2015 #33
Joe is obviously conservatuve republican. But I think their agenda is just.... Armstead Oct 2015 #47
Uhuh. Early on Joe would pound the table with his fist when he wanted Hortensis Oct 2015 #50
More likely their setting him up to punch him in the face. They're praying for a Dean moment. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #12
That's what I was thinking JackInGreen Oct 2015 #15
Beware! I don't trust them. I suspect they have to acknowledge now or the lack of coverage Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #14
Mrrr? JackInGreen Oct 2015 #17
Spitballing too. I just think he is now too big to ignore so now they start attacking instead Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #21
Fair assessment JackInGreen Oct 2015 #23
It's tough to ignore the huge turnouts he gets repeatedly. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #4
Partisan symbolism aside, he's been the Elephant in the Room Armstead Oct 2015 #5
It's about damn time. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #6
Joe knows Bernie couldn't win in the general moobu2 Oct 2015 #7
They would prefer Hillary any day to Bernie, she answers to the same people. Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #16
+1 Until now, they've been talking up Hillary and Trump and pretending Bernie did not exist. merrily Oct 2015 #20
They are not talking up Hillary. One of the 99 Oct 2015 #49
Is that why they'be been talking about Hillary and Trump and pretty much ignoring Bernie until now? merrily Oct 2015 #25
They talk about Bernie all the time, merrily!!! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #43
Hi, cutie pie. Pour yourself a latte and listen up merrily Oct 2015 #44
Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Volvo with a cup holder-thingie dorkzilla Oct 2015 #45
LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #46
Absolutely untrue. Morning Joe has NOT been on a pro Bernie Sanders campaign. merrily Oct 2015 #26
That's an, er, shallow interpretation Armstead Oct 2015 #32
I do not trust Morning Joe Gothmog Oct 2015 #10
Biden comes in 3rd among Dem primary voters KeepItReal Oct 2015 #22
What poll are you citing to? ... All of the recent polling has Biden 2nd. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #42
NBC and Wall Street Journal poll from last week, 1SBM KeepItReal Oct 2015 #52
Okay. Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #53
Predictive??? We're going with bookies now? hedda_foil Oct 2015 #27
Mentioning Sanders today is promoting him, ffs. Joe's been talking about Hillary and Trump. merrily Oct 2015 #28
Just pointing out a distinct change in tone towards him Armstead Oct 2015 #30
My reply was to Gothmog's comment. I am not disagreeing with or faulting you. merrily Oct 2015 #35
So now Bernie fans are Morning Joe fans? Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #11
No. Get real. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #13
+1 merrily Oct 2015 #24
Nope JackInGreen Oct 2015 #18
Oh yes...Now we cult members are going to be glued to it now they have learned The Secret Armstead Oct 2015 #29
Morning Joe sucks. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #34
Holy shit, what a thought!!! Not until they can Dead Intern Scarface and his talking parrot Mika, valerief Oct 2015 #40
Being warmer and more humorous really means... raindaddy Oct 2015 #36
In fairness, he was referring to his personality Armstead Oct 2015 #48
Didn't see it so I'll take your word for it.. raindaddy Oct 2015 #51
They always talk up the latest polls, and have given him his due before... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #37
MSNBC must be missing us. Ratings down? jwirr Oct 2015 #38
WTF? Why would they talk about Sanders when they could be talking about valerief Oct 2015 #39
It was good shtick to laugh at his chances, now it's ... Babel_17 Oct 2015 #41

monmouth4

(9,664 posts)
1. I saw that and stayed with MJ much longer than usual this morning..LOL. The Carly discussion
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:07 AM
Oct 2015

drove me away..

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
31. She needs to be taken seriously......
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:18 AM
Oct 2015

Because she's awful. It would be hard to pick a better amount the Republican candidates, but it wouldn't be her.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. Boston isn't the -other- coast. There are some serious people are in Boston
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

RIGHT?

Boston isn't full of commie tree huggers, or yoga practicing tiny-house commune occupants.

If it plays in Boston, it's clearly time to take it seriously and more to the point, there's a debate coming up, that needs a build up lead-in narrative that will support days of post-debate discussion.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Like 2008 and 2012, the Morning Joe team is committed to electing a Republican.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:29 AM
Oct 2015

In 2008 and 2015 their big primary-season tactic is bringing down HRC. In 2008 they just LOVED her closest competitor Obama and built him up good -- not realizing they were helping to eventually elect HIM. Since all the positive exposure Bernie can get at this point helps him similarly, by all means enjoy.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
19. YEP
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

I don't watch it, just a horrible way to start the day getting all worked up watching that shit fuck ...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Oh, so agree! In 2008 they gathered in NH to party at HRC's funeral, and
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

that was about the time I said...been there, done that, no more. I did turn on Andrea Mitchell the next day to see how she took being so wrong (very subdued), and that was the last time I watched her at all.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Joe is obviously conservatuve republican. But I think their agenda is just....
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:48 AM
Oct 2015

spouting conventional wisdom to gain eyeballs. They're typical media prostitutes, who'll jump anything they think will attract eyeballs, while remaining in the DC/NY cocoon.

So, if they see Bernie offering a real contest, they'll go for it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Uhuh. Early on Joe would pound the table with his fist when he wanted
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

to push a lie, state it, then cut to a commercial before anyone else needed to respond. At one point during either the 2008 election a Joe and MSNBC regular who called a MSM anti-HRC lie out for what it was (pretending Joe wasn't pushing it) that guy disappeared from MSNBC. Later when I checked back in I couple of times saw Joe disappear into another room with one conservative to hit questionable points together, away from the others. Last couple times I've watched, he had his crew in line, with the show steadily pulling for the GOP and no uncomfortable incidents.

Money, viewership and partisanship are not mutually exclusive.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
14. Beware! I don't trust them. I suspect they have to acknowledge now or the lack of coverage
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:46 AM
Oct 2015

is too noticeable. Now they start attacking!

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
21. Spitballing too. I just think he is now too big to ignore so now they start attacking instead
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

of ignoring or saying he has no chance.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. Partisan symbolism aside, he's been the Elephant in the Room
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

It seems he's reaching the threshold of being too big to ignore

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
7. Joe knows Bernie couldn't win in the general
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:23 AM
Oct 2015

so naturally he wants to support Bernie now. Moringin Joe has been on an anti-Hillary pro Bernie Sanders campaign for months anyway. It's noting new.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
16. They would prefer Hillary any day to Bernie, she answers to the same people.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie matches up with anyone in the clown car very well thank you. If it was Mano a Mano with Bernie vs. clown America would all hear his actual message and compare it to whatever diarrhea comes out of the clown's mouth and bingo, we have Bernie!

The mood in this country is not one to elect a Republican this time around. Many more Republicans are up for re-election and many of those will be gone! Besides, we all will get behind whoever is the Democratic nominee, right?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. +1 Until now, they've been talking up Hillary and Trump and pretending Bernie did not exist.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

The idea that, because they simply cannot get away with ignoring Sanders after the fundraising report AND the Boston rally, means they want to run against Bernie to win is ludicrous on its face.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
25. Is that why they'be been talking about Hillary and Trump and pretty much ignoring Bernie until now?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:10 AM
Oct 2015

Please.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
43. They talk about Bernie all the time, merrily!!!
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

But they do it off the air. Mostly in their car on the ride home. Or while they’re sleeping. Or in the shower. But they definitely talk about him when no one is around to hear it. Its like the tree falling in the woods!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
45. Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Volvo with a cup holder-thingie
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

To hold all my lattes while I’m votin’ for a commie
Worked kinda hard sometimes, with no help from the Dems
But at least I got a Lexus, not some fuel suckin’ Benz!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Absolutely untrue. Morning Joe has NOT been on a pro Bernie Sanders campaign.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:12 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know where you pulled that from, but it's false.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128036990

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
32. That's an, er, shallow interpretation
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

They're simply beginning to realize they can't keep ignoring and dismissing a candidate who is holding his own and raising a lot of money and drawing crowds and generating excitement.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
10. I do not trust Morning Joe
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

Here are the most recent rankings from Predictwise http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination

Hillary Clinton 69 %
Joe Biden 16 %
Bernie Sanders 12 %

Biden has a better chance of being the nominee compared to Sanders. I am not sure why Joe is promoting Sanders but I do not trust morning Joe and I do not watch this program

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
22. Biden comes in 3rd among Dem primary voters
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:04 AM
Oct 2015

With VP Biden getting half of the votes of 2nd place Sen Sanders.

You posted some poll of probability of getting a nomination.

Saw the same thing last week when people posted Biden's tops in likeability poll numbers while ignoring the same results that showed he comes in 3rd in actually voting for Democratic nominees.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
52. NBC and Wall Street Journal poll from last week, 1SBM
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

"In the Democratic race, Hillary Clinton is the first choice of 42 percent of primary voters, Sanders is in second at 35 percent and Joe Biden third at 17 percent. No other Democrat gets more than 1 percent."

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-2016-gop-race-n433991

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Mentioning Sanders today is promoting him, ffs. Joe's been talking about Hillary and Trump.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:13 AM
Oct 2015

That show has gone out of its way to avoid mentioning Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128036990

The fundraising report and the huge Boston crowd left media no cover for ignoring him today.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
18. Nope
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:55 AM
Oct 2015

But pointing out a pig singing is common. Joe n the morning poo-crew being positive about Bernie draws the same reaction from me, "the fuck am I hearing?"

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
29. Oh yes...Now we cult members are going to be glued to it now they have learned The Secret
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:17 AM
Oct 2015

Don't be ridiculous

valerief

(53,235 posts)
40. Holy shit, what a thought!!! Not until they can Dead Intern Scarface and his talking parrot Mika,
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015

change the name to Morning John (cuz everyone uses a john in the morning), and have John Oliver as host.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
36. Being warmer and more humorous really means...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

If he would just cross over to the more Wall Street/ corporations and politics are one neolib way of thinking and stop with the political revolution shtick he wouldn't scare the pants off of the six giant corporations that own us...

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. In fairness, he was referring to his personality
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie sometimes comes across as stern and humorless That repoter was simply pointing ut that he does have a seense of humor, and has a life and is more personable than he sometimes seems.

Not about policies or anything else like that.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
51. Didn't see it so I'll take your word for it..
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:03 PM
Oct 2015

My point was there's nothing stern or humorless about Sanders..There's this media talking point that keeps getting repeated that Sander's is a grumpy old man. When in fact he's passionate about a nation that is selling out poor and middle class.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
39. WTF? Why would they talk about Sanders when they could be talking about
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

their beloved GOP candies? The word must be out to take down Sanders.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
41. It was good shtick to laugh at his chances, now it's ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:52 AM
Oct 2015

It was good shtick to laugh at his chances, now it's good for ratings to talk about his amazing campaign.

And that's OK. I thought I saw this component to the Sanders campaign, early on, and I was impressed by what I saw as the underlying competence, even genius, that went into formulating how the Sanders campaign would unfold.

He's a firebrand, but he's the rare one who isn't going negative on his opponents, out of the gate. He has a broad platform and agenda for change, but he narrowed it down in the beginning to core ideas that everyone in the 99% could get behind.

Commentators who laughed at his chances don't have to feel shame for having done so. They can effortlessly do a 180 and praise the campaign to elect Senator Sanders. That's just one practical example of why Sanders will get elected. The campaign to elect him truly is something new, and wonderful.

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