2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn rural America, a startling prospect: voters Obama lost look to Sanders
Things are in flux. The old order is beginning to fray. Change with the times or be crushed by the wheel of history.... yada, yada, yada.
If.... and I say if..... the DNC wants to force a Clinton or Biden on the electorate, an Independent candidate would more viable this election cycle than at any time in several generations. The number of voters who would want to stick strictly with their Party would be more than made up by the disaffected masses.
Skinner, et. al. may want to look into an Independents Rising site, just to hedge their bets.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-rural-america-a-startling-prospect-voters-obama-lost-look-to-sanders/2015/10/04/5465ce22-6883-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The voters President Obama lost are/have been Bernie's target audience from the start!
Question (from the linked artlce): How did President Obama screw the miner's union?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)2012 election would indicate so but Hillary is not Obama.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But if you are referring to those voters that voted republican in 2008, wooing them back to the Democratic Party, would NOT be enough ... and I suspect that attempting to woo those that left/sat out 2012, would NOT be enough, either.
However, the 2012 (and really, every election since the birth of this nation) would suggest that there are millions of disengaged/disinterested would-be voters that the Democrats (and republicans) miss.
But that is a tough row to hoe ... those millions that don't vote are not voting for reasons other than a lack of a clear, and beneficial, message from the candidates.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)In 2010 and 2012.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)answers that question.
And, being perceived as wooing the 2012 disaffected (i.e., working class white male voters) to replace the loss of the African-American and women vote makes the task even more heroic/wrong-headed.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)were local issues were in play. Lots of split ticker voting,in my opinion was because our party did not have the right person on the ticket. Looking at voter totals for the precinct we lived in,Mr. Obama won,and the Rethugs took the rest. It is all about the Optics and Messaging in the last two or three days before the Voting starts.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's not just the miner's unions - but all union membership is looking to Bernie.
I live in the South and I can't tell you how many union members I know who vote Republican (most still vote Democrat, but there are a few).
I don't think a lot of it is racism, either - they've actually bought what Fox has been selling them, but they've seen the Republicans go off the deep end as of late and they're hedging their bets on returning to the Democratic Party.
The thing is that we're all getting hurt by the big corporations and the 1 percent - not just white people, but people of color, women, kids, everyone - and the waking up to that reality is fueling this election.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)with one edit:
IOWs, The thing that is - and the awakening - is unrelated to people of color, women (except for their women), kids (except for their kids); but rather, self-interest.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I've been waking up to this reality for many years.
To say that women or PoC don't realize this is doing them a disservice.
Do PoC and we women have other deep issues that concern us? Yes.
But I don't think this revelation is restricted to white males. In fact, I know it's not.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But I specifically said that I'm seeing all people - no matter their race or gender - waking up the reality that they're being screwed by corporations and the 1 percent.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #12)
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And I'm sorry it happened during our conversation.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a "WhatAboutMeism", that frequently crops up when race is discussed.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm more of a "whataboutUSism" sort of person, myself.
I'm white, but I grew up in an integrated city in the South with friends of all races, creeds and religions. My ex husband is Arabic, ergo, our son is half Arabic.
Trust me, I often feel like an African American mother who worries how her son will be treated by police since my son has a Muslim name. When Ahmed Mohamed was treated like crap, I came home and immediately instructed my son to go read the story. Muslim men are overly targeted by our "intelligence" departments and, frankly, set up to gain political points and funding for "terrorism." It's not quite as bad and systemic as how African American men are treated, but it's getting there. The hatred toward Arabs is sickening.
Either way, a mother shouldn't have to worry about the safety of her son because of the color of his skin or the origin of his name.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the Arab hate is JUST AS BAD AS, and becoming as systemic as, how African-American men are treated. It's just the African-American treatment in America has been going on for much, much longer.
And kudos to you for NOT trying to shield your son from what is going on ... it sends our children out into a hostile world with no tools to cope.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)re: the 2016 election, but I am convinced no one in their "right mind" (no pun) can lean on history of either party's base/electorate as any sort of indicator for the outcome on This race.
They'd be fools if they did. Things are Not the same....not this time. Congress/Dems refused to draw the proverbial "line in the sand" on our behalf...so we've drawn and continue to draw our own. We're Fed. The. Hell. Up.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)What a concept! And this is why he appeals so much to those who did not participate in politics before this.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And do you think that miner would have felt less screwed when told the EPA regulations are because, he, through no fault of his own, is working in an industry which is helping to cause climate change and in fact having a negative impact on the country and world?,
djean111
(14,255 posts)I was reading this:
Democrats need to remind people of what weve done, Manchin said. But any candidate who told coal miners that the world had moved on from their industry, he added, would be a non-starter.
And wondering just what Manchin thinks anyone should say to the miners.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But with that cleared up ... Manchin has SAID what he thinks candidates should say to the miners, And he has been saying it for nearly a decade ... "Rah, Rah, Coal!"
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Same folks that vote(d) for Joe Manchin? 'Scuse me while I roll my eyes
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or Romney to Obama?
Or McCain to Obama?
The mind reels!!!!!
senz
(11,945 posts)I worked long hours on his campaign, still love him and his family, and have encountered many other Bernie supporters who support Obama and his presidency.
Let's not get any falsehoods going, okay?
karynnj
(59,475 posts)Norman Rockwell America. Bernie commented that he told Jane that she would like Iowa because "it was like Vermont". Those rural areas are also "like Vermont". May be those attacking Vermont, because their candidate is not from there, might find that the rest of the country might actually like Vermont.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Repubs down to 29% of registered voters.
Dems down to 32% of registered voters.
Independents up to 42% of registered voters.
First time in living memory that both major parties are in the minority re registered voters.
Times have change, a new generation is about to take over.
And they are not interested in partisan politics. So they say.
So what to do if you're the establishment?