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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:36 PM Oct 2015

In rural America, a startling prospect: voters Obama lost look to Sanders

Things are in flux. The old order is beginning to fray. Change with the times or be crushed by the wheel of history.... yada, yada, yada.

If.... and I say if..... the DNC wants to force a Clinton or Biden on the electorate, an Independent candidate would more viable this election cycle than at any time in several generations. The number of voters who would want to stick strictly with their Party would be more than made up by the disaffected masses.

Skinner, et. al. may want to look into an Independents Rising site, just to hedge their bets.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-rural-america-a-startling-prospect-voters-obama-lost-look-to-sanders/2015/10/04/5465ce22-6883-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

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In rural America, a startling prospect: voters Obama lost look to Sanders (Original Post) TalkingDog Oct 2015 OP
That is NOT "startling" in the least ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #1
Are there enough of them left to make up the difference? ibegurpard Oct 2015 #2
I have said, before, it seems/seemed that this is/was Bernie campaign's bet ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #5
No I'm referring to the ones that didn't vote ibegurpard Oct 2015 #6
It would seem President Obama's RE-election in 2012 ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #7
2012 was one of those election cycle Wellstone ruled Oct 2015 #9
Just heard Weigel speak to this on Sirrius. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #11
I can agree with that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #12
I'm not a white male. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13
The article is related to rural white males coming to Bernie ... no? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #14
This article is, yes. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #22
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #15
Welcome to the Club?!? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #16
Don't know what that troll said, but I hope it wasn't too nasty. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #23
Actually, I did not find his comment offensive, so much as ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #25
That's too bad. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #27
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #28
I certainly make no Predictive Claims fredamae Oct 2015 #3
Yes, because they favor a REAL socialist instead of an alleged one. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #4
This is Bernie - djean111 Oct 2015 #8
How did President Obama handle it? Was the Question even asked of President Obama? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #10
I was not really thinking about Obama here. djean111 Oct 2015 #20
Oh ... I thought you were thinking about the miner's comment that President Obama screwed miners ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #21
West Virginia... one_voice Oct 2015 #17
Yes, why would rural Americans prefer Sanders to Obama. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #18
Plenty of Sanders supporters support Obama. senz Oct 2015 #19
Maybe because Bernie sounds like FDR -- and the America he wants is an updated karynnj Oct 2015 #26
Biggest voting bloc in the country right now, Independents!! Partisan politics are on the decline. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #29
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #30
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. That is NOT "startling" in the least ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

The voters President Obama lost are/have been Bernie's target audience from the start!

Question (from the linked artlce): How did President Obama screw the miner's union?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
2. Are there enough of them left to make up the difference?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:46 PM
Oct 2015

2012 election would indicate so but Hillary is not Obama.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. I have said, before, it seems/seemed that this is/was Bernie campaign's bet ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:14 PM
Oct 2015

But if you are referring to those voters that voted republican in 2008, wooing them back to the Democratic Party, would NOT be enough ... and I suspect that attempting to woo those that left/sat out 2012, would NOT be enough, either.

However, the 2012 (and really, every election since the birth of this nation) would suggest that there are millions of disengaged/disinterested would-be voters that the Democrats (and republicans) miss.

But that is a tough row to hoe ... those millions that don't vote are not voting for reasons other than a lack of a clear, and beneficial, message from the candidates.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
7. It would seem President Obama's RE-election in 2012 ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

answers that question.

And, being perceived as wooing the 2012 disaffected (i.e., working class white male voters) to replace the loss of the African-American and women vote makes the task even more heroic/wrong-headed.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. 2012 was one of those election cycle
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

were local issues were in play. Lots of split ticker voting,in my opinion was because our party did not have the right person on the ticket. Looking at voter totals for the precinct we lived in,Mr. Obama won,and the Rethugs took the rest. It is all about the Optics and Messaging in the last two or three days before the Voting starts.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
11. Just heard Weigel speak to this on Sirrius.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:20 PM
Oct 2015

It's not just the miner's unions - but all union membership is looking to Bernie.

I live in the South and I can't tell you how many union members I know who vote Republican (most still vote Democrat, but there are a few).

I don't think a lot of it is racism, either - they've actually bought what Fox has been selling them, but they've seen the Republicans go off the deep end as of late and they're hedging their bets on returning to the Democratic Party.

The thing is that we're all getting hurt by the big corporations and the 1 percent - not just white people, but people of color, women, kids, everyone - and the waking up to that reality is fueling this election.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. I can agree with that ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

with one edit:

The thing is that we're all getting hurt by the big corporations and the 1 percent - not just white people, but people of color, women, kids, everyone - and the waking up to that reality is fueling this election for white males.


IOWs, The thing that is - and the awakening - is unrelated to people of color, women (except for their women), kids (except for their kids); but rather, self-interest.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
13. I'm not a white male.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

I've been waking up to this reality for many years.

To say that women or PoC don't realize this is doing them a disservice.

Do PoC and we women have other deep issues that concern us? Yes.

But I don't think this revelation is restricted to white males. In fact, I know it's not.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. This article is, yes.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:44 PM
Oct 2015

But I specifically said that I'm seeing all people - no matter their race or gender - waking up the reality that they're being screwed by corporations and the 1 percent.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #12)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. Don't know what that troll said, but I hope it wasn't too nasty.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oct 2015

And I'm sorry it happened during our conversation.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. Actually, I did not find his comment offensive, so much as ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

a "WhatAboutMeism", that frequently crops up when race is discussed.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
27. That's too bad.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:47 PM
Oct 2015

I'm more of a "whataboutUSism" sort of person, myself.

I'm white, but I grew up in an integrated city in the South with friends of all races, creeds and religions. My ex husband is Arabic, ergo, our son is half Arabic.

Trust me, I often feel like an African American mother who worries how her son will be treated by police since my son has a Muslim name. When Ahmed Mohamed was treated like crap, I came home and immediately instructed my son to go read the story. Muslim men are overly targeted by our "intelligence" departments and, frankly, set up to gain political points and funding for "terrorism." It's not quite as bad and systemic as how African American men are treated, but it's getting there. The hatred toward Arabs is sickening.

Either way, a mother shouldn't have to worry about the safety of her son because of the color of his skin or the origin of his name.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. Actually ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

the Arab hate is JUST AS BAD AS, and becoming as systemic as, how African-American men are treated. It's just the African-American treatment in America has been going on for much, much longer.

And kudos to you for NOT trying to shield your son from what is going on ... it sends our children out into a hostile world with no tools to cope.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
3. I certainly make no Predictive Claims
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

re: the 2016 election, but I am convinced no one in their "right mind" (no pun) can lean on history of either party's base/electorate as any sort of indicator for the outcome on This race.

They'd be fools if they did. Things are Not the same....not this time. Congress/Dems refused to draw the proverbial "line in the sand" on our behalf...so we've drawn and continue to draw our own. We're Fed. The. Hell. Up.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
8. This is Bernie -
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015
Asked what he would say to a coal miner who blamed EPA regulations for the loss of his job, Sanders said that he could only be straight with him.


What a concept! And this is why he appeals so much to those who did not participate in politics before this.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. How did President Obama handle it? Was the Question even asked of President Obama? ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

And do you think that miner would have felt less screwed when told the EPA regulations are because, he, through no fault of his own, is working in an industry which is helping to cause climate change and in fact having a negative impact on the country and world?,

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. I was not really thinking about Obama here.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

I was reading this:

Nothing about Sanders’s pitch is easy, but this piece is especially rough. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who has endorsed Clinton, said that Sanders’s economics-first focus makes sense in West Virginia. But he predicted that Sanders’s position on coal would be more damaging here than the socialist label after his name.

“Democrats need to remind people of what we’ve done,” Manchin said. But any candidate who told coal miners that the world had moved on from their industry, he added, would be a “non-starter.”


And wondering just what Manchin thinks anyone should say to the miners.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Oh ... I thought you were thinking about the miner's comment that President Obama screwed miners ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:23 PM
Oct 2015

But with that cleared up ... Manchin has SAID what he thinks candidates should say to the miners, And he has been saying it for nearly a decade ... "Rah, Rah, Coal!"

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
18. Yes, why would rural Americans prefer Sanders to Obama.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

Or Romney to Obama?

Or McCain to Obama?

The mind reels!!!!!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Plenty of Sanders supporters support Obama.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:54 PM
Oct 2015

I worked long hours on his campaign, still love him and his family, and have encountered many other Bernie supporters who support Obama and his presidency.

Let's not get any falsehoods going, okay?

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
26. Maybe because Bernie sounds like FDR -- and the America he wants is an updated
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:13 PM
Oct 2015

Norman Rockwell America. Bernie commented that he told Jane that she would like Iowa because "it was like Vermont". Those rural areas are also "like Vermont". May be those attacking Vermont, because their candidate is not from there, might find that the rest of the country might actually like Vermont.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. Biggest voting bloc in the country right now, Independents!! Partisan politics are on the decline.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

Repubs down to 29% of registered voters.

Dems down to 32% of registered voters.

Independents up to 42% of registered voters.

First time in living memory that both major parties are in the minority re registered voters.

Times have change, a new generation is about to take over.

And they are not interested in partisan politics. So they say.

So what to do if you're the establishment?

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