2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWarning: PPP National Poll shows General election advantage for Republicans
Just a warning for us, no matter who you support. These numbers are not good....
Joe Biden does an average of about 5 points better than Clinton in the general election match ups he's included in, although as has been pointed out many times it's a lot easier to be a non-candidate than a candidate. He trails Carson 45/42 but leads Trump 48/40, Fiorina 46/40, and Rubio 45/40.
Bernie Sanders on the other hand does an average of about 5 points worse than Clinton in the general election match ups. He trails Carson 46/35, Rubio 42/38, and Fiorina 44/38 while tying Trump at 44.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/trump-holding-steady-nationally.html
Favorability (Fav/Unfav/Undecided):
Hillary: 36/55/7 (Net -19)
Sanders: 33/46/21 (Net -13)
Biden: 44/44/12 (Net 0)
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Trump 34/56/10 (Net -22)
Carson 42/35/23 (Net +7)
Rubio 35/41/23 (Net -6)
Florina 33/44/22 (Net -11)
The only one with positive numbers is Biden who is not in the race (and whose numbers would drop when he enters) and Carson who is a Republican. The most dangerous of all of them I believe will be Marco Rubio. His favorability isn't too bad and he is a slick talker, and not gaffe prone; I fear whoever gets the nomination will have an uphill battle against him.
This election will be razor thin no matter who the nominees are for each party. I think its important to emphasize, no matter who you support now, and however bloody the primary gets, that we eventually rally around whoever the nominee is and fight to keep out the lunatic Repubs out of the White House. Otherwise we'll lose this thing.
Faux pas
(14,645 posts)mean NOTHING unless they're polling at least 10% of the population. 1,000 or so people being polled is too funny. I see no link that would tell us how many people were polled.
dsc
(52,152 posts)Polling of samples of 1000 or even less have done well to predict votes.
StrongBad
(2,100 posts)bob4460
(235 posts)Who has landlines anymore? Older people
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)PPP has a funky landline/internet panel mix.
I am not too worried about their results. Assuming the economy doesn't go into recession and there are no foreign policy debacles the natural Democratic advantages, the Blue Wall and the demographic advantage should kick in.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I guess if you're in your 20s, I qualify as 'older people'.
bob4460
(235 posts)and my mother and I are the only landline holdouts.Nobody else in my family has a landline that includes about 25 people so that is why I have a big problems with all polls,I have asked all the younger ones and they never get calls from polls.I have got 2 in the last 10 years.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I would be surprised if Carson or Trump show as well a year from now against any of the two major Democratic candidates or Biden. They both strike me as ultimately too right-wing "fringey" to be serious contenders on a national scale when you include Dems and independents. Bush -- even though I highly doubt he'll be the nominee -- and Rubio concern me much more.
And on edit, Trump and Bush may have peaked because everyone knows who they are (probably the same with Clinton) whereas with Rubio and Sanders there is probably a lot of room to grow their support.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)I think he's finished and ultimately has zero chance; Rubio is like an upgraded version of him.
So I'm definitely worried about Rubio most. Trump also, as I believe his candidacy brings out lots of emotions and can provoke large turnout among the worst parts of our country. Carson should be toast by now, but the fact that he's still viewed favorably is alarming.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)A) The WH has been in the hands of deems for 7 years, and
B) The repugs have been allowed to spew their "views" for
a long time on TV without any response from the dems,
thanks to DWS.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)november3rd
(1,113 posts)His policies are threadbare. Everybody knows Reaganomics is a fake by now. Plus, his views on marriage equality, women's rights, education debt, capital[ist] gains tax, and empire will prove him to be a sophmore who's still got a lot of maturing to do before he's ready for prime time. Unlike Obama, who started off slow, but has what it takes to lead the country, whether the country likes it or not.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Definitely a disagreement there.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)with MSM blackout of Bernie.but as i keep saying he has room to grow unlike clinton. As for electabilty Biden not clinton has best case to make.
As for republicans Carson and Rubio aren't getting nomination.with voting starts they will decline.racisits in GOP will remember they aren't white despite what polls say now.