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ram2008

(1,238 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:24 PM Oct 2015

Warning: PPP National Poll shows General election advantage for Republicans

Just a warning for us, no matter who you support. These numbers are not good....

General election match ups are close. Hillary Clinton trails Ben Carson 48/44 and Jeb Bush 43/42. She ties Donald Trump at 44 and Marco Rubio at 43. And she leads Carly Fiorina 44/43, John Kasich 42/39, Ted Cruz 46/42, and Mike Huckabee 46/39.

Joe Biden does an average of about 5 points better than Clinton in the general election match ups he's included in, although as has been pointed out many times it's a lot easier to be a non-candidate than a candidate. He trails Carson 45/42 but leads Trump 48/40, Fiorina 46/40, and Rubio 45/40.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand does an average of about 5 points worse than Clinton in the general election match ups. He trails Carson 46/35, Rubio 42/38, and Fiorina 44/38 while tying Trump at 44.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/trump-holding-steady-nationally.html


Favorability (Fav/Unfav/Undecided):

Hillary: 36/55/7 (Net -19)

Sanders: 33/46/21 (Net -13)

Biden: 44/44/12 (Net 0)

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Trump 34/56/10 (Net -22)

Carson 42/35/23 (Net +7)

Rubio 35/41/23 (Net -6)

Florina 33/44/22 (Net -11)


The only one with positive numbers is Biden who is not in the race (and whose numbers would drop when he enters) and Carson who is a Republican. The most dangerous of all of them I believe will be Marco Rubio. His favorability isn't too bad and he is a slick talker, and not gaffe prone; I fear whoever gets the nomination will have an uphill battle against him.

This election will be razor thin no matter who the nominees are for each party. I think its important to emphasize, no matter who you support now, and however bloody the primary gets, that we eventually rally around whoever the nominee is and fight to keep out the lunatic Repubs out of the White House. Otherwise we'll lose this thing.
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Warning: PPP National Poll shows General election advantage for Republicans (Original Post) ram2008 Oct 2015 OP
To me polls Faux pas Oct 2015 #1
sorry but that is just plain ignorance of math on your part. dsc Oct 2015 #5
Yikes. Go crack a stats book. StrongBad Oct 2015 #6
I have but one thing to say about ALL polls bob4460 Oct 2015 #2
Most reputable pollsters call cell phone users... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #3
I do (at 46), my parents don't (in their 70s). Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #11
I'm 44 bob4460 Oct 2015 #14
Without attacking the poll generally TeddyR Oct 2015 #4
I'm not worried about Bush ram2008 Oct 2015 #7
Why is anyone surprised about this? sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #8
And this is why we can't find the Pacific Ocean on a globe. nt DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #9
Except november3rd Oct 2015 #10
The recent NBC poll had Sanders doing better than Hillary jfern Oct 2015 #12
Not surprised Robbins Oct 2015 #13

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
1. To me polls
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:29 PM
Oct 2015

mean NOTHING unless they're polling at least 10% of the population. 1,000 or so people being polled is too funny. I see no link that would tell us how many people were polled.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
5. sorry but that is just plain ignorance of math on your part.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:54 PM
Oct 2015

Polling of samples of 1000 or even less have done well to predict votes.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
3. Most reputable pollsters call cell phone users...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

PPP has a funky landline/internet panel mix.

I am not too worried about their results. Assuming the economy doesn't go into recession and there are no foreign policy debacles the natural Democratic advantages, the Blue Wall and the demographic advantage should kick in.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. I do (at 46), my parents don't (in their 70s).
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

I guess if you're in your 20s, I qualify as 'older people'.

bob4460

(235 posts)
14. I'm 44
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

and my mother and I are the only landline holdouts.Nobody else in my family has a landline that includes about 25 people so that is why I have a big problems with all polls,I have asked all the younger ones and they never get calls from polls.I have got 2 in the last 10 years.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
4. Without attacking the poll generally
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

I would be surprised if Carson or Trump show as well a year from now against any of the two major Democratic candidates or Biden. They both strike me as ultimately too right-wing "fringey" to be serious contenders on a national scale when you include Dems and independents. Bush -- even though I highly doubt he'll be the nominee -- and Rubio concern me much more.

And on edit, Trump and Bush may have peaked because everyone knows who they are (probably the same with Clinton) whereas with Rubio and Sanders there is probably a lot of room to grow their support.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
7. I'm not worried about Bush
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

I think he's finished and ultimately has zero chance; Rubio is like an upgraded version of him.

So I'm definitely worried about Rubio most. Trump also, as I believe his candidacy brings out lots of emotions and can provoke large turnout among the worst parts of our country. Carson should be toast by now, but the fact that he's still viewed favorably is alarming.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
8. Why is anyone surprised about this?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

A) The WH has been in the hands of deems for 7 years, and

B) The repugs have been allowed to spew their "views" for
a long time on TV without any response from the dems,
thanks to DWS.

 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
10. Except
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:39 PM
Oct 2015

His policies are threadbare. Everybody knows Reaganomics is a fake by now. Plus, his views on marriage equality, women's rights, education debt, capital[ist] gains tax, and empire will prove him to be a sophmore who's still got a lot of maturing to do before he's ready for prime time. Unlike Obama, who started off slow, but has what it takes to lead the country, whether the country likes it or not.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
13. Not surprised
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

with MSM blackout of Bernie.but as i keep saying he has room to grow unlike clinton. As for electabilty Biden not clinton has best case to make.

As for republicans Carson and Rubio aren't getting nomination.with voting starts they will decline.racisits in GOP will remember they aren't white despite what polls say now.

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