Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut, supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory

[Bill USA]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

When Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders jumped into the 2016 presidential race, he was widely hailed as a far-left socialist who would appeal to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. A liberal challenge to Hillary Clinton, said Politico. True progressives’ liberal alternative, trumpeted FiveThirtyEight. But before liberal Democrats flock to Sanders, they should remember that the Vermont senator stands firmly to Clinton’s right on one issue of overwhelming importance to the Democratic base: gun control. During his time in Congress, Sanders opposed several moderate gun control bills. He also supported the most odious NRA–backed law in recent memory—one that may block Sandy Hook families from winning a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used to massacre their children.

Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that “if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.” (He has since endorsed some modest gun control measures.)

None of these views are particularly shocking for a Vermont representative: Sanders’ deep-blue state has both high gun ownership and incredibly lax gun laws, and it’s perfectly logical for the senator to support his constituents’ firearms enthusiasm. And a close friend of Sanders once said that the senator “thinks there’s an elitism in the anti-gun movement.”

But Sanders’ vote for a different kind of pro-gun bill is more puzzling—and profoundly disturbing. In 2005, a Republican-dominated Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). This law doesn’t protect gun owners; it protects gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers. The PLCAA was the No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association for years, because it shields gun makers and dealers from most liability when their firearms are used criminally. It is one of the most noxious pieces of pro-gun legislation ever passed. And Bernie Sanders voted for it. (Sanders’ campaign has not replied to a request for comment.)

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[beam me up scottie]

1. SIX! 6 is the number of the day!

Six times this has been posted here!


AH AH AH!!!

[deadlinetony]

2. Yeesh!

Some kind of weird organized attack from that other site that must not be named?

Posting more of the same @**( only discredits their candidate, and Hillary has dug underneath the barrel....

[RobertEarl]

151. They have nothing else really

I can hardly wait till the republican candidate gets up to the mic and tells the country what a gun-nut Bernie is.

[artislife]

3. Just want them to know that

am trashing stupid OPS. There sure are a lot!

[Duckhunter935]

5. I think 10 or 12

Last few days. When confronted with the facts of the law they tend to run away. But it is like whack a mole

[beam me up scottie]

6. This is true, I think it's the 6th op though.

And my post is the number six too!

[Duckhunter935]

8. 666

[SusanCalvin]

138. Oooooh! One of those

Is a multiple of six!

[Bill USA]

12. you got links to back that statement up? check my search link of DU...

https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+gun+&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl


... yes, this was posted before .... in May of this year and on Oct 2. that's not "today". I'm sure there are others like me who don't get on here everyday and never saw this article before.

[beam me up scottie]

15. .

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bernie+Sanders%2C+Gun+Nut+&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

[Bill USA]

18. how many posts identical to this one, on this day? care to say? LOL! It isn't 6! It's ONE.

[beam me up scottie]

23. I just checked again, yep SIX! Maybe the Count can help you out with that!

[Bill USA]

26. without links your chanting bullshit. let's see links to the 6 posts, identical to OP, on this day.

[beam me up scottie]

28. If I post them and you confirm that this is number SIX! AH AH AH! will you delete this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251426628

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026629372

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251639943

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251406593

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026633818

[TexasTowelie]

147. Correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe you didn't read the challenge correctly or check the dates on the OPs that you linked? However, there are good reasons for why you have not received a response.

The challenge issued was "without links your chanting bullshit. let's see links to the 6 posts, identical to OP, on this day."

None of the five links that you included in your reply were posted today. Only one of the threads was posted this month (five days ago).

I apologize if you don't like my response, but those are the facts.

[beam me up scottie]

150. I never said it was posted 6 times ON THIS DAY.

I proved my claim it that it was posted SIX times AH AH AH!

They tried to move the goalposts.

The reason I haven't received a response is because the poster is on a timeout for incivility.

Pity.

[TexasTowelie]

159. Check post number 23

because you are responding to post number 18 which also said "on this day" or is it convenient to ignore that clause?

[beam me up scottie]

163. Why should I address a strawman? I never said it was posted 6 times "on this day".

My claim: "Six times this has been posted here!"

Bill asked: "you got links to back that statement up?"


Six links, delivered as requested.


Do you have a problem with that?

[TexasTowelie]

172. Yes, it was posted six times over a five month period,

but the proclamation that you were somehow victorious and that the author should issue a retraction when you did not meet the conditions of the challenge are questionable.

Furthermore, there are no limitations on the number of times that a thread can be posted within the GDP forum so if a thread is posted once every three to four weeks there are no rules being broken. I'm sure that we'll also have plenty of posts about Clinton's votes on IWR and the email issues along with multiple posts about Biden's plagiarism issues if he decides to run.

I don't have any problems with you personally though. Everyone on DU is free to support whomever they like in the primaries. I have not made up my mind since I want to see if Biden enters the race and also listen to the debates instead of committing to a candidate this early in the process. At that point I'll decide which candidate aligns most closely with my views and also has the best shot of winning the general election because after spending the last 20+ years with Republicans in charge of my state the last thing that I want is for another Republican administration in the White House. I've gained a great deal of patience as I've grown older and being adamant about anything usually results in decisions that I regret.

- Peace

[beam me up scottie]

174. Okay:

the proclamation that you were somehow victorious

Meh, I proved my claim and it's over.

Furthermore, there are no limitations on the number of times that a thread can be posted within the GDP forum so if a thread is posted once every three to four weeks there are no rules being broken.

A strawman since I never claimed any rules were broken.

The same idiotic article has been posted here repeatedly and every time the poster seems to think it's a GOTCHA moment.

Unfortunately for them the shock value has worn off and now my eyes just glaze over. So I respond with snark. This time I was nice and used Sesame Street to make my point.

See I get tired of seeing Bernie called disgusting names like "gun nut" and accused of everything from protecting pedophiles, to having rape fantasies and even being a Republican with his head between women's legs.

So maybe you can understand why I get defensive and maybe not, but I refuse to apologize for defending my candidate against smears. It's good practice for when the Republicans start swift boating him.

I don't have any problems with you personally though.

That's good, the feeling's mutual.

Peace, TT.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. You got your hot links so where's your retraction?

nt

[beam me up scottie]

39. Notice how when we do that all we hear are *crickets*?

[jeff47]

45. Well, he did get hidden downthread, so he can't reply

But I'm sure he'll be back spewing more bullshit shortly.

[senz]

64. Now don't you feel silly? I hope so.

And don't you be so ugly in your responses to people. It just makes you look bad.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Coordinated smear job from the anti-Semitic hate site, no doubt.

[beam me up scottie]

40. With a fake alert to go along with it too.

[HooptieWagon]

44. Yep. They're gaming the system.

Given the example DINO Debbie is setting, no surprise. D or R, corporatists can't win on democratic principles...they always resort to cheating.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Notice how many times that hit piece accusing Bernie of barring dissent on Israel was posted?

It fits the narrative they're shooting for.

[Fawke Em]

98. I love taking that one on.

Not only did his staff personally apologize to those people, they have forbidden that low-level volunteer from working any more events.

And, as the ex-wife of a Palestinian and mother to a son who is, obviously, half Palestinian, when I talk about this issue and how I support Bernie, I have the moral authority to back up my belief that Bernie is the most open-minded candidate on this subject.

Sadly, none of the major candidates have really ever "stood up" to Israel, but I do believe Bernie is the most forceful in his opinion that there needs to be a two-state solution.

[senz]

179. Just right. Fair to both sides. That's what I want in a President.

[SusanCalvin]

153. ^^THIS^^ nt

[MuseRider]

84. I was on my way out the door

and was just next to late when I got the alert and ask to be on the jury. I saw the post, knew what it was because I had read it and clicked HIDE. Then I saw the alerters request to not HIDE. I was just not thinking, I needed to leave so I just asked to be excused from the jury and left.

It took me about 2 minutes after I got in the car to realize what this was and I am pissed as hell about it. I try to do the juries when asked and I try to be very fair because I am pleased that being a bit on the fringe I am still a member after all these years and even though I know there is a lot of gaming going on I still feel obligated to try to do it.

I am so angry about this. It takes a lot of gall or insecurity or both to game a system like this. I know where it came from, we all do and as far as I am concerned I hope these incidents and the posts that have been hidden from the other site are available to the admins. What a shitty, adolescent way to behave.

[beam me up scottie]

86. It is an abuse and you're right to resent it.

We're supposed to use the system to police ourselves and it only works when everyone takes it seriously.

We've all seen those threads Over There and that's where this is coming from, imo.

[MuseRider]

92. I want to say more

but suspect it would not be up for long.

Vile behavior. Dishonest, loser behavior.

[HooptieWagon]

183. It <is> loser behavior.

That's why it will end up biting them in the ass, and that shit is why their candidate will lose. There's a whole lot of people disgusted with the same ol' Clinton dirty politics...that's why they're excited about Bernie, and why Ds, Is, and even a few Rs are going to vote for him and not HRH.

[workinclasszero]

104. Cool it should be posted 20 times a day

Apparently thats a problem for Bernie?

[beam me up scottie]

110. SIX! appears to be Bill's lucky number!

It's only a problem for disappointed HC supporters when they find out Bernie's not a gun nut and that their exploitation of gun tragedies is causing a backlash.

But please keep

BEAT BEAT BEATING

that horse if you think it will help Hillary.

[workinclasszero]

118. Oh it is helping Hillary immensely I bet

I don't believe your average democratic voter is a gun nut like Bernie.

Its definitely doing damage to his image, I really hope he never renounces his anti Brady bill vote and his vote to protect big gun manufactures against lawsuits brought by families after BG's murderous deadly weapons have put their kids in the ground.

[beam me up scottie]

123. YOU CALLED BERNIE A GUN NUT AND I JUST DONATED $5 TO HIM FOR YOU!!!

Thanks.

[workinclasszero]

131. Thats your right friend

You go for it.

And Ill do my part and we will see what happens next year on Super Tuesday.

[beam me up scottie]

134. I do my part by posting the truth whenever HC supporters gaslight DU.

So I don't need your permission or approval.

[senz]

133. So you think it's cool to call Bernie a "gun nut?"

You know it's not true. You know he's not one of these macho types who flex their muscles and need their gunz to feel manly enough. If you have any intelligence at all, you must know that. So you know it's a lie. And so does anyone else who sees that claim. It just makes the people who say it look dishonest and unintelligent. And then it reflects on Hillary who already looks dishonest enough to a large part of the electorate.

No pun intended, but y'all are shooting yourselves in the foot with this one.

[beam me up scottie]

140. They only say it to piss us off senz, I find it amusing and pathetic.

Let it roll off your back, haters gonna hate!

[workinclasszero]

142. As much as you would like to think its only the few Hillary backers on this board with that opinion

I assure you its not.

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut

He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory.

By Mark Joseph Stern

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

Thats directly from Slate.com and its legit too. Not some right wing bozo site like freakrepublic or The Blaze.

[beam me up scottie]

156. Just because they work for Slate doesn't mean the author isn't a delusional moron.

It also doesn't make the claim "legit".

If they wanted to be taken seriously they should have chosen a different title.

Gun nut

Gun nut is a snarl word referring to a person (often, but not always, male and Republican, and usually in the United States, though they exist elsewhere) who not only believes in the right to keep and bear arms, but makes a point of doing so with gusto.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gun_nut

gun nut

1. A person who takes a keen interest in firearms and ammunition, possibly including the study, peer discussion, ownership, bearing and use thereof - usually used playingly by oneself or by other firearms enthusiasts in this sense. Often associates with people with similar interests.

2. A person who takes seemingly morbid interest in firearms out of a belief that they provide protection, security and freedom while appearing scary to the uninitiated - usually used derogatively by non-gun people, particularly those who are scared of firearms.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gun+nut

[senz]

175. The Slate article doesn't surprise me, workinclasszero,

because there are a slew of media sites, MSNBC included, who are jumping on that loser bandwagon. The establishment does not want a president who represents the people instead of them. They want either a Republican or Hillary -- which should tell you something.

But this gun business? It is so phony, so weak, that Bernie will easily demolish it. His record is actually very good, very reasonable, and defensible on guns. I don't like guns at all, but I don't fear or distrust Bernie on this issue. Thing is, some of us are liberal enough to live and let live. If someone wants to own a gun, I don't mind as long as they are mentally competent, not criminally inclined, and will own it safely and responsibly. This is what Bernie is for. Plus, we should not have automatic weapons out there, nor should we have high-capacity magazines, because no one needs these things for personal safety or hunting - and that's how Bernie feels. That's part of being a liberal: you don't try to force others to be just like you are. This is why a person can be heterosexual and yet support LGBT rights. Or be white and want the law to be protective of people of color against racism. Or be Christian and want the law to protect atheists and minority religions. You should think about this.

Remember that reasonable people will feel nothing but contempt for those of you who tried to push the "Bernie is a gun nut" meme. I personally will find it hard to forgive those who did it, no matter who wins the nomination.

[Z_California]

185. A "Gun Nut" with a D- rating from the NRA

You have made my list of intellectually dishonest posters. It's a long list.

[AgingAmerican]

178. When you have limited material

You do that.

[senz]

180. Well said. I've noticed the same thing.

And yes, it shows how weak their position is. But don't forget, when all else fails, the other campaign will fight dirty. It's inevitable.

[SusanCalvin]

135. Six (6) recs is the number at this point....

Don't break the chain!

[beam me up scottie]

137. I don't believe in deities but someone has a wicked sense of humour!

[SusanCalvin]

139. Hey, it could be her!

[ion_theory]

4. This is going to definitely be part of Billary's play against Bernie...

I'm sure with his constituent's love of guns he was doing what they wanted. However, my main talking point to people when talking about Bernie is "look at the voting record to know the TRUE way a politician feels." So here is where I disagree with Bernie, and Clinton will use that to wedge voters from him.

[Duckhunter935]

7. Yes I would vote for the

One that voted to take us to war killing 100s of thousands

[Metric System]

11. FYI, "Billary" is a right-wing term. You are on a Democratic forum, after all.

[senz]

20. Hardly. We fault her for her allegiance to oligarchs and other big donors. Not GOP at all.

[uponit7771]

24. Because Sanders didn't have any!!?!?!? Really?! None... NOT ONE of the dem candidates running

... can pass the purity test that is placed upon Hillary


NOT


ONE

[Duckhunter935]

101. Looks like someone is

on an extended vacation

[Logical]

176. Lol, 6 hides! A long vacation! Nt

[HooptieWagon]

184. 6 is a magic number, eh?

Somebodies are doing a good job taking the trash to the street for pickup.

[SusanCalvin]

141. Uh, I'll put referring to Bernie as a "gun nut"

Up against your "purity tests" any day.

[uponit7771]

194. Voting against the Brady Bill once = gun nut, 5 times = gumper and that's where we START

[beam me up scottie]

198. Please point out which one of these definitions of "gun nut" fits the pro-gun control Senator:

Gun nut

Gun nut is a snarl word referring to a person (often, but not always, male and Republican, and usually in the United States, though they exist elsewhere) who not only believes in the right to keep and bear arms, but makes a point of doing so with gusto.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gun_nut

gun nut

1. A person who takes a keen interest in firearms and ammunition, possibly including the study, peer discussion, ownership, bearing and use thereof - usually used playingly by oneself or by other firearms enthusiasts in this sense. Often associates with people with similar interests.

2. A person who takes seemingly morbid interest in firearms out of a belief that they provide protection, security and freedom while appearing scary to the uninitiated - usually used derogatively by non-gun people, particularly those who are scared of firearms.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gun+nut

If the Slate author thinks Bernie is a gun nut then he is a moron.

[uponit7771]

21. Yeap, they think the economy for the middle class is worse now than when Bush was

... in power or "its getting there", they give Obama no credit for shit, use winger terms for Hillary and think America is in the crapper and their guy can pass any purity test that is placed on other candidates (and they can't)

That's the argument both of the sides of the aisle proffer and get pissed when someone doesn't take it hook line and sinker

[delrem]

90. I can't reply to hidden messages, but (!!)

regarding the two messages from Bill USA that got hidden, I thing the hides are totally bogus.

And I prefer Bernie Sanders by a long long shot.

I was a juror on one of those hides and my view came up short.
My "comment" was snarkily critical of Bill USA and I didn't also explain that I thought what Bill USA said was true, FOR SOME, SOMETIMES. And I think it cuts both ways.

[senz]

99. I thought they were bogus too, and I was one of people Bill insulted.

His remark was so juvenile I didn't think it deserved a response.

[delrem]

108. This whole deal of "hiding posts" has gotten out of hand.

Well, it's been out of hand for a long time.

We're adults here. We can stand strong language for fucks sake!
We can stand provocation! Provocation is part of politics.
The art of politics is learning how to deal with it.
Not censor it and hide it and ban it.

[senz]

181. I agree, delrem. But people around here have made a game of it.

Kind of like Capture the Flag for bored adults.

[Capt. Obvious]

190. SIX!! SIX HIDDEN POSTS!!

For the majority of people on this website it's very easy to not get hides.

[LondonReign2]

192. Maybe for you Bernie worshippers, but us Hillary supporters are persecuted

[Capt. Obvious]

193. No, we're not

People who act like belligerant jerks regardless of who they support get "persecuted."

[Logical]

173. Alert it or quit whining! Nt

[uponit7771]

19. Yeap, hate Obama... hate Hillary... hate dems in power but is a progressive... ok.. whatever

[Fawke Em]

111. Bernie supporters don't hate Obama.

We don't "hate" Hillary, either, for that matter. We don't like her corporate ties and war hawkish attitude.

In fact, I voted for Obama in the 2008 primary over Hillary for the same reasons I'm not voting for her this time.

But I do see hypocrites on this board: those who bad-mouthed Hillary six ways from Sunday when they supported Obama, but now think she's the bees knees when she really hasn't changed much at all.

[SusanCalvin]

143. ^^THIS^^ nt

[ion_theory]

195. Those are the two reasons why I can't back Hillary, until she actually gets the nomination.

Although with her announcement about opposing the TPP was a HUGE step in the right direction, I still don't see her opposing it if Bernie wasn't doing as well as he has been. Also I cannot stand her 'liberal interventionalist' tactics in foreign affairs. Yes, I'm sure being Secretary of State will inevitably need to her his/her hands dirty, but "We came, We conquered, He died" is and NEVER will be something a true progressive would say. Especially during her first press conference post-bombings.

[Blue_In_AK]

197. I also have noticed this phenomenon.

Strange...

[TM99]

187. Hate is reserved for friends and those people

you actually know in reality.

What I dislike strongly is the neoliberalism. Obama and Clinton are both New Dems. I don't like their stances, their political positions, or their propensity for marketing progressivism but leading as something entirely different.

[jeff47]

29. Minor problem with the gun-loving claim

is that he's voted for the AWB, universal background checks and limited magazine sizes. Hence his D- or F rating from the NRA.

Which has been pointed out the Clinton fans on this site multiple times. Yet they keep acting as if the entirety of his gun record ended in 1994.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Exactly. He voted to ban assault weapons and for background checks in 1994 and 2013.

Yet they continue to gaslight DU with that idiotic Gun Nut meme.

[hrmjustin]

91. Your comment is disgraceful and it is more disgraceful that it survived a jury.

[hack89]

9. Not an issue. Both candidates will be good for gun owners nt

[sadoldgirl]

10. Still at this idiotic attack?

Hey Bill, try to win in the Western States by
proposing very strict gun control measures.

Try it! You won't like the results!

[Thinkingabout]

13. It is meeting the needs of corporations first and foremost, we are so very far behind in finding

answers for the gun violence.

[frylock]

14. Hillary should make gun control the central issue of her primary campaign..

and I mean really REALLY push it.

[ibegurpard]

17. I agree!

Go all-in on it PLEASE Hillary!

[SusanCalvin]

144. OH PLEASE!!!!!nt

[djean111]

122. Except for that eagerness for war thing she has going - guns, bombs - cluster bombs galore.

That would be, IMO, disgustingly hypocritical.

Hundreds of thousands dead - and she voted and shilled for it.
And she wants a "more muscular" foreign policy.
Guns guns guns. That IS the central issue of her campaign, to me - guns. She wants to use them.

[senz]

25. This thread was Alerted by someone whose only comment was "Don't hide it."

Now why would anyone put an Alert on an OP that they don't want hidden?

[beam me up scottie]

30. Do you have the results, senz?

[senz]

59. Here are the alert results.

On Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:37 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut, supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251652541

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Don't hide this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:49 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This lame meme has become SPAM at this point.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There's no rule against lying, misleading, and deceiving.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Bernie gets a D-/F for his voting record from the NRA. I vote to HIDE
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Someone is wasting our time.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter asked for post not to be hidden. Okay. I don't understand the reason for the alert then.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

67. Thanks, senz. Someone is abusing the system.

I'd alert on it, not much admin can do but at least they'll be aware of it.

[SusanCalvin]

146. Been going on for some time.

I'd post the bravenak pic if I could on tablet. Need to make it profile pic, I guess....

[hrmjustin]

85. This is an abuse of the system and the hide votes are ridiculous.

The hide votes don't like discussion.

[delrem]

93. I think very little should be "hidden".

What are we, 5 yrs old?

[jeff47]

31. Each post can only be alerted on once.

Any future alerts on this OP will do nothing - the new alerter will just get the results from that "Don't hide it" alert.

So the person who did that alert is attempting to inoculate the OP against any actual alerts.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Exactly, it should be reported.

I wonder if the op alerted on himself?

[jeff47]

34. No, alerting on yourself doesn't trigger the jury system. (nt)

[beam me up scottie]

37. One of his friends then, the way they've been reposting old articles makes me wonder

if it isn't being coordinated somewhere else.

The fake alert could be part of it too, we know that some individuals have been abusing the jury system already.

[HooptieWagon]

62. They're coordinating from the hate site.

Including the fake alert to inoculate the op.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Exactly.

They've been alerting on me like crazy, three failed alerts in 24 hours - that I know of.

[senz]

72. That makes me sad.

I read what they said about you and ageing american in their hideous little forum and it horrified me. They're not nice people at all (such an understatement), so please be careful.

[beam me up scottie]

74. Thanks, senz. You're very sweet to say so.

But you should see my inbox since everyone read those threads, I had no idea I had so many friends here.

I am watching my back but so are a lot of others.

[senz]

79. Most of the time I am out of the loop.

"Everyone" read those threads except me. Wish there were a category of "Cool Threads."

I did get to have a word with one of the worst perps yesterday on the Ed Snowden thread. Oddly, twice when I was replying to him, the words I typed on the subject line of the reply were grayed out. Very strange. I checked later and it wasn't happening. Maybe it was something wrong with my computer. But since I was replying to someone I consider essentially evil, it was creepy while it lasted.

[beam me up scottie]

82. DU has been having software glitches lately.

It could be that or a sign that you should stay away from the dark side.

[senz]

96. I've observed DU being unable to load pages recently.

It's a complex system and volumes must be overwhelming at times. The programming must be challenging unless modular programming/canned subroutines actually lived up to their promise/hype of a couple of decades ago.

I know you don't believe in spiritual stuff, but if you take a look at those people it's pretty obvious that exposure to them cannot be healthy or in any way good for anyone. I think they tolerate each other in a spirit of mutual dejection, resentment, and revenge. Sometimes they seem triumphant but rarely genuinely happy. I'm a little amazed that they are tolerated. The sheer malice and games are so over the top.

[eggplant]

107. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Most of the time I am out of the loop.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=652957

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This kind of passive aggressive side chatter, hurling insults at other DU'ers without having to do it directly, getting ridiculous. Referring to particular DU'ers as "perps" "evil" and "creepy" is above and beyond what should be tolerated here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Opinions
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Fawke Em]

117. Alerting on people discussing "alert trolls?"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

169. Irony can be so ironic sometimes. --William Shatner, Airplane II

[beam me up scottie]

127. Good jury! Thanks for posting. Looks like senz is on the list too.

[senz]

165. Wow. Thanks for posting this, eggplant.

Boy, I feel like the "Eye of Sauron" has located me now. Eww (shudder).

I really appreciate your letting me know, and thanks for voting to leave it.

Hey, whoever alerted on me --

[beam me up scottie]

171. ROLL WITH IT, SENZ!

[senz]

182. Thanks, bmus.

That is an absolutely charming video, very, very well done. Nice bit of film-making.

I feel honored.

[Fumesucker]

188. I get the grayed out subject line from time to time

A little strange but everything seems to post OK anyway.

[senz]

191. Thanks. It's reassuring to know I'm not alone

with weird stuff like that.

[hrmjustin]

87. You can't alert on yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

88. Unless you have a sock.

It's still an abuse no matter who alerted on it.

[hrmjustin]

89. Could be or 7t could be someone attempting it to make it look like an abuse.

The admins will see the truth of it.

The hide votes were ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

94. Or it could be an abuse, occam's razor.

And I can't fault the jurors who voted to hide, people hate lies.

[hrmjustin]

95. Well that is in the eye of the beholder.

I see it as silencing criticism of Sanders.

[senz]

102. I saw it as deliberate lies and slander but didn't think lies should be hidden.

People should be able to reject that stuff on their own.

[hrmjustin]

103. What exactly was a lie in your view?

[beam me up scottie]

105. Bernie is not a "gun nut". That is a lie.

[hrmjustin]

106. I sgree. Anything else?

[beam me up scottie]

112. Isn't one lie enough? How many do you find acceptable about Hillary?

Personally I'm fine with shaming anyone delusional enough to call Bernie a gun nut on DU but many folks don't like liars.

[hrmjustin]

114. Do you object to the title or the whole article?

[beam me up scottie]

116. Strawman much, justin?

[hrmjustin]

119. Can you answer my question or not?

[beam me up scottie]

121. Which question? I don't like strawmen, allergic you know. Same with lies. They make me itch.

[hrmjustin]

124. Ok I am done with your games.

Night.

[Warren Stupidity]

97. The hide votes were probably a reaction to an obvious attempt to game the jury system.

But you seem very concerned about this. Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try to inoculate posts? There could be blowback.

[hrmjustin]

100. Well if true you might have a good point.

Skinner can deal with it and i hope he does.

[SusanCalvin]

149. Skinner doesn't.

The only improvement since the Gay Purge is you don't get booted for talking about it.

[hrmjustin]

152. I heard of that purge. Very regretable and sad.

I hope Sjkkinner does read these alerts.

[SusanCalvin]

154. Well, he might.

He did start a thread re the Gay Purge, after it was too late. Checked out the *crickets* in that forum lately.....?

[hrmjustin]

157. I read that thread earlier this year and it was heartbreaking reading it.

[SusanCalvin]

161. Yep. Thank you for reading it.

[hrmjustin]

162. .

[SusanCalvin]

148. OMG, the manipulation continues...

Learn something new every day.

[HooptieWagon]

42. Sounds like a coordinated disruption.

And Admin continues to deny the alert system is being gamed.

[jeff47]

43. Well, hopefully senz will alert on the results, since it's an obvious attempt to game the system. nt

[senz]

61. How on earth does one alert on the results of an alert?

It's merely an email, not a comment.

[HooptieWagon]

63. If your on the jury?

[jeff47]

65. You alert on the results email.

There's an "alert abuse" link at the bottom-left of all emails. Alert on the email that contains the jury results. The Admins will be able to see who sent the alert and other information to figure out if this is someone who deserves some more attention.

[senz]

69. What do I give as the reason for the alert?

[jeff47]

71. If it were me,

I'd say something like "This appears to be abuse of the jury system, since the alerter did not want the post hidden".

[senz]

83. Done.

Your words to the admin's screen.

This is the first time I've alerted on anything. If I'd known what was going on, I'd have voted to hide it.

[SusanCalvin]

164. If they pay attention.... nt

[HooptieWagon]

47. Alert on the results.

Disrupting by gaming the system should be grounds for time out.

[grasswire]

52. agreed

that is some crazy stuff! I wonder how many variations of that have already been happening. Alert with crazy talk so there's no hide. Then nobody else can alert.

[SusanCalvin]

155. Manipulation. System broken. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. Inoculation. But it doesn't matter. Mr Bill (oh no!) isn't permitted in this thread anymore.

He was rude to another poster, and a jury decided he couldn't make anymore noise in his thread.

[jeff47]

56. DU is bigger than one thread.

First, he misses out on potentially getting another hide, getting him closer to 5.

Second, someone else is abusing the jury system, and that will not be brought to light unless there is an alert on the results.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

167. Happy holidays.

It looks like Bill will rejoin us on December 21st.

[hrmjustin]

27. I would not call him a gun nut but his vote in 2005 was dissappointing.

And keep posting it because the ones above have no issue with ant-hillary posts being repeated over and over again.

[ibegurpard]

46. waaaah!

They are hurting poor Hillary's feelings...

[hrmjustin]

50. Your adult behavior is a shining example to us all.

[ibegurpard]

58. I'll stack my "adulting" record next to yours

Any day of the week.

[hrmjustin]

60. enjoy.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. Bring everything you've got. It isn't hurting Sanders.

I've seen what you write at other websites, and it's not pretty (and nor is it something you're likely to have learned at church–-depending on the church). So please do continue to show everyone what you practice, and what you preach, and we can know you by those fruits, sir.

[hrmjustin]

57. I see what you write and you are no one to judge me and if you think I care what...

you think of me you are wrong. You know nothing about me.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

73. But I don't make the same claims.

In my case, I grew up in the church, and I've seen the hypocrisy from the inside. I don't know what sort of religion you practice--not my business. But I have seen that your faith is very important to you, and I've seen what you have written Over There. So I don't claim to be devout, but I wouldn't know anything at all about whether or not you were religious if you didn't mention it on a semi frequent basis. As the kid of a Southern Baptist minister who saw church-face and rest-of-the-week-face in a continual cycle, I know the delta when I see it.

[hrmjustin]

75. Are you trying to bait me into a hide to silence me for 2 months?

Looks that way to me.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

77. No. I am finished.

I said what I had to say, and I don't plan to bring it up with you again.

[hrmjustin]

78. Yeah I thought so.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

80. That's completely opposite from what you said in your last post, but ok.

[Scootaloo]

129. I have yet to see Clinton called a rapist.

As soon as I do, I will consider equating the attacks made against the two candidates on DU.

[left-of-center2012]

32. Bernie now on MSNBC Chris Hayes talking gun control

Stated a long list of gun control bills he voted for,
and said he got a D- rating from the National Rifle Ass.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

48. Yes he was very clear

[beam me up scottie]

49. They can't handle the TRUTH!

Bernie is a gun nut!

And if they have to post this every week to "prove" it until the primaries are over they will.

[mythology]

109. That doesn't actually distract from other votes on the same subject

Sanders is clearly not a gun nut, but he's decidedly more of a moderate on this issue than on other issues.

[senz]

113. One of the things I love about that man is that his goodness makes me terribly protective

and worried for him, but his common sense and political experience make him fully capable of looking out for himself.

[Fawke Em]

130. He is intrinsically good, isn't he?

You know how you have dreams which are about one thing, but then something else pops in them?

Last night I was dreaming I was attending a lecture. All of a sudden Bernie was there being "interviewed" by the professor and I just kept wanting to hug him. I mean, like you'd hug your parent. I just had the feeling in the dream that Bernie was just a good man who deserved a hug.

LOL!

[senz]

145. Well shoot, Fawke Em, now you've got me envying your dreams!

That sounds like such a nice dream. Stay in that good place.

As someone who is not much younger than Bernie, I'm in awe of how he has managed to remain committed to his youthful ideals, to live them out year after year after year, and I suspect that this much purity of spirit shines through a person and can be felt by others and that this may be part of his appeal to millennials. The compromises that most of us make as we go through life can, over time, form a sort of crust on our psyches, so we don't respond as strongly to bright, clear spirits as we once did. But young people can still sense and resonate to it.

I am grateful to have lived long enough to witness these events. The last time I saw an outbreak of pure goodness was the mid-1960s, and of course it didn't last very long. Nothing that special ever does. So let's enjoy this one and give it what we can.

[SusanCalvin]

158. Here's the big thing - he listens and learns. nt

[mahina]

53. He is not a gun nut.

There's a word for that kind of headline.

[senz]

81. "Lie" works pretty well. So does "slander." IMHO, of course.

[SusanCalvin]

166. Nah, it's not slander.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/libel-vs-slander-different-types-defamation.html

[Babel_17]

66. lol, the title itself is a rapid descent into self parody

It surpasses even Muslim Communist, and Anarchist Fascist, and those are two of my favorite internet signposts signalling a turn into The Twilight Zone.

[Armstead]

70. RightwingleftistcommiesocialistlibertarianracistantiLGBTtooliberaltooconservative

Yes.... Paging Rod Serling

[SusanCalvin]

168. .

http://m.

[Katashi_itto]

76. hillarysupporters.com

[SusanCalvin]

170. Yep. nt

[whatchamacallit]

115. Thanks! You've inspired to contribute to the Sanders campaign again!

Keep up the good work!

[beam me up scottie]

120. Now THERE'S an IDEA. Every time someone posts this garbage we should donate $5.

Why should we wait for Hillary's super pac to swift boat Bernie in order to fight back with our wallets?

[whatchamacallit]

125. Indeed!

[beam me up scottie]

126. Someone called him a gun nut upthread and I made my first donation in their honour!

[whatchamacallit]

128. Sweet! n/t

[ucrdem]

132. It's not the articles or the DUers, it's the voting record.

My advice to all is don't blame the messenger when the news isn't pretty.

[jeff47]

189. You mean when he voted for universal background checks, the AWB and limited clip sizes?

Or are you one of the folks who thinks "voting record" only consists of two votes?

[Kang Colby]

136. Bernie made the right decision on PLCAA.

But I'm still going to vote for HRC.

Bernie's rationale on the PLCAA was (paraphrased) "you wouldn't sue the baseball bat company if someone hits you with a baseball bat." The video is on YouTube from his Arlington, VA rally from July. He tells a gun controller that they "need to learn to compromise".

[beam me up scottie]

160. Definition of Gun Nut:

Gun nut

Gun nut is a snarl word referring to a person (often, but not always, male and Republican, and usually in the United States, though they exist elsewhere) who not only believes in the right to keep and bear arms, but makes a point of doing so with gusto.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gun_nut

gun nut

1. A person who takes a keen interest in firearms and ammunition, possibly including the study, peer discussion, ownership, bearing and use thereof - usually used playingly by oneself or by other firearms enthusiasts in this sense. Often associates with people with similar interests.

2. A person who takes seemingly morbid interest in firearms out of a belief that they provide protection, security and freedom while appearing scary to the uninitiated - usually used derogatively by non-gun people, particularly those who are scared of firearms.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gun+nut

If the Slate author thinks Bernie is a gun nut he is a moron.

[AgingAmerican]

177. This has been recycled dozens of times over the last four months

And it has failed every single time.

[HooptieWagon]

186. They have to recycle their smears.

They aren't very creative.

[uponit7771]

196. It succeded in informing people that none of the candidates can pass the purity test Clinton

... is subjected to.

[ornotna]

199. No matter how hard I try

I just can't seem to scrape this off my shoe. Damn, it stinks in here.