Is Clinton placing President Obama under a public transit vehicle?

[Armstead]

She has come out against Keystone before the administration decision and now has come out against President Obama's TPP. And she's hinted that President Obama is not a staunch defender of the United States interests in military affairs.

The potential implications of this are interesting to speculate upon. How much of this has to do with trying to position herself to at least equal parity with Bernie and O'Malley in the primary pandering to "the base"?

Is she trying to win over those unions who have been holding candidates' feet to the fire on TPP?

Is she gingerly tossing President Obama under the motorized mass transit coach to head Biden off at the pass -- to set the stage for a Clinton vs. Biden/Obama steel-cage death match?

Are old resentments between them from 2008 coming to the fore after those gauzy intervening years of Kumbayyah?

All of the above?

Okay. For the sake of fairness, perhaps she is just actually acting on solidly-held core beliefs.

Whatever, some kind of tectonic plates seem to be rolling below the surface of all this maneuvering.

And from the narrow DU perspective, it'll also be interesting to see whether all this will affect the "you Bernie supporters are just bashing Obama." Screenshots! I demand a screenshot!

[upaloopa]

1. Hillary could come out for puppies, kittens and bunnies

and she would still be attacked for it on DU

[Armstead]

2. And it will continue to be claimed that Bernie eats cute kittens for lunch

[upaloopa]

10. The vast majority of Hillary supporters like Bernie

We don't think Bernie will win the primary so there is no reason to trash him.

[Armstead]

13. A lot of socialist right wing libertarian communist loser gun nut memes get tossed his way

Some have a funny way of showing affection.

But if it's just a noisy minority, okay.

[upaloopa]

23. Some people are giving back what they feel they

have been given.

[artislife]

28. Are you suggesting that they don't believe it?

That they are doing it to strike back at mere supporters.


That is loopy.

[upaloopa]

31. They believe it but there is really no reason to attack Bernie because he is not a threat.

It is tit for tat

[artislife]

35. That speaks highly of h supporters

No passion ..just------------. I won't fill in the blank.

[Live and Learn]

41. +1 nt

[hrmjustin]

4. Yes. It is not about issues but destroying Hillary now.

[artislife]

29. I think it is about the issues destroying Hillary...nt

[Live and Learn]

40. And, even if in the past she supported torturing and eating puppies, kittems and bunnies, her

supporters would see no hypocrisy in her turn. Or their utter disdain for Bernie's prior support.

[ibegurpard]

3. Oh please

I'll finally believe her if she actively backs congressional efforts to cast a NO vote when it's up. Until then I'll consider it political posturing.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. Solidly held core beliefs?

Are you sure this isn't just what the focus groups are telling her she should run on?

[Armstead]

9. Not sure if anything

Focus groups is certainly a possibility

[KoKo]

12. You Mean "I was For It before I was Against it?

Haven't we heard this Before?

[Maedhros]

6. You posted this with a straight face!

Okay. For the sake of fairness, perhaps she is just actually acting on solidly-held core beliefs.

How did you manage that?

[Armstead]

8. Just trying to cover all possibilities....

[azmom]

7. Solid-held core beliefs? Who are

You talking about? LOL.

[hifiguy]

18. Hey - she has ONE core belief.

That she should be rich and POTUS by any means possible.

Or is that two?

[azmom]

21. From Robert Reich's facebook

I’m told by the Clinton campaign that she’s also preparing a set of policies to rein in the biggest Wall Street banks.

Can you believe it?

[hifiguy]

22. They OWN her lock stock and barrel.

I will believe it when I see this:

[restorefreedom]

34. already happened

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251655908

anyone want to guess how many more of bernies positions she will conveniently adopt before next weeks debate?

[azmom]

43. All of them

[link:|

[restorefreedom]

44. perfect! nt

[Uncle Joe]

11. Just another "profile in courage" act by Hillary, she's not throwing Obama under the bus, I have no

doubt that Hillary's opposition has already been calculated as being political posturing by the White House and Congress.

U.S., Other Nations Reach Agreement On Trans-Pacific Partnership
OCTOBER 05, 2015 8:25 AM ET

"We, the trade ministers ... are pleased to announce that we have successfully concluded the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiation," U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman announced Monday morning, to a loud round of applause.

(snip)

The 30-chapter announcement means that a years-long process to ease trading between the U.S. and 11 Pacific Rim nations is closer to being finalized, with negotiators clearing hurdles on how to handle everything from dairy products and drug patents to car factories.

(snip)

Summarizing some of the resistance to the deal, NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben reported earlier this year that leaked portions of the TPP "have intellectual property advocates, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, worried it goes too far in areas like extending copyright laws and fair use rules. Doctors Without Borders has also argued the deal could make for more expensive generic drugs, restricting access to medicine for some consumers. However, some wish the pact went further — environmental groups like the Sierra Club, for example, believe the provisions won't do enough to address overfishing."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/05/445987857/u-s-other-nations-reportedly-reach-agreement-on-trans-pacific-partnership

Thanks for the thread, Armstead.

[olddots]

14. this is beginning be like binge watching " Scandal "

Eposodic politics at its worse trying to last long enough to go into sindacation . ( its a stretch but what ever )

[CharlotteVale]

15. Nah. She left herself loopholes big enough to drive

an Obama-free bus through.

[restorefreedom]

16. it has everything to do with posturing

she sees which way the wind is blowing. She trying to adopt Bernie and O'Malley's positions and claim them as her own. Sorry but I don't buy it for a minute. I don't think she would hesitate for two seconds to sell us all out when she got into office and answer once again to corporate masters and the MIC.

I wish I could believe her, but everything about her career and her husband's suggest that they are calculating politicians who do what they have to do to get elected. I don't buy it for a minute

[Gloria]

25. I'm glad they are calculating politicians...because that's

politics, not some little ice cream social...

Esp. against rabid dogs in the other party...

[restorefreedom]

26. calculating politicians

that care about votes more than people are why bernie support is gaining.

people are sick of this crap.

[Gloria]

30. You can be sick of it, but

this is NOT NEW....unless you've been in a cave...

By the way, with the world on the brink of global recession and U.S. growth DECLINING, all of Sanders' promises are
completely out of reach...

It's called REALITY.

[restorefreedom]

32. they are out of reach as long as

the third wayers keep letting the 1% hide their money and not pay their fair share.

otherwise, very doable

[Fumesucker]

37. Hillary is taking up positions that she knows are "out of reach"?

[hifiguy]

17. Do plantigrade ursine mammals defecate

in wooded areas?

[Armstead]

19. Do Bears poop under buses?

[hifiguy]

20. Depends on where the bear lives?

ETA

[tularetom]

27. Does an ursine mammal subscribe to the dicta of the church of Rome?

Does the pontiff defecate in the sylvan glade?

[Gloria]

24. It's not unusual to separate yourself from an Administration...

It's almost a necessity....

You really have to be out of the shadow as much as possible...

[Live and Learn]

39. Even if it means flipping on issues? nt

[Chan790]

33. I think she's saying what voters want to hear.

I find her disingenuous and fully expect her to find she supports Keystone, TPP and military adventurism abroad as soon as she's elected...which is why it's so important she's not elected.

I don't believe she has any solidly-held beliefs over than a deep-seated conviction that she deserves to be President. Generally though, I believe that she believes in the unholy union of business interests as the prime interests of the government...Mussolini-style fascism.

[Agnosticsherbet]

36. She is listening to the Democratic party electorate.

Which is what our representatives should do.

[Live and Learn]

38. Flipper? Couldn't be. nt

[Live and Learn]

42. YES and might i remind everyone that she voted for the Iraq War that Obama opposed. nt