2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is Ayn Rand’s worst nightmare: He’s changing how we view socialism — and exposing
free market parasiteshttp://www.salon.com/2015/10/08/bernie_sanders_is_ayn_rands_worst_nightmare_hes_changing_how_we_view_socialism_and_exposing_free_market_parasites/
Excellent article on what socialism is, what socialism isn't, who the real "welfare queens" are, and what they cost our society.
As one would expect, as Sanders has surged, the American right (and center) have gone from ignoring him to attacking him, and the barbs have been predictable indeed. The most common sound something like this: Socialism has already been tried and it failed, There is no free stuff, He wants to steal from the job-creators. Of course, these are familiar attacks that have long wielded against the Democrats, but with a man who does not shun the socialist label, they have become even sharper.
First things first: The word socialism has become so freely used by the right that it has all but lost the meaning that it once possessed. Since even before the Cold War, the word socialism has been a pejorative in America. When people on the right say, Socialism has already been tried, they are by and large thinking of 20th-century communism in the East, i.e., a totalitarian state with a centrally planned economy. If this were the sole definition of socialism, then these anti-socialists would be entirely correct. When considering 20th century communism, it is clear that centrally planned economies without markets do not work in the long run (and black markets become an inevitable feature). At this point in history, markets are necessary for human innovation and wealth creation. But as the economist (and communist, according to Bill OReilly) Robert Reich points out his his new book Saving Capitalism, the free market vs. government debate is mostly pointless. In order to have a functioning market, there need to be rules, and for rules of the market there needs to be government; the real debate should be whether those rules are working for everyone or just the wealthiest individuals and corporations.
The point is, socialism does not necessarily mean centrally planned economies, as most on the right believe. The original definition of socialism was something like this: the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. In this sense, worker-owned businesses (i.e. worker co-ops) are very socialistic, and Sanders has appropriately put forth a plan to increase worker ownership. The word socialism can also mean Social Democracy this is what best describes Bernie Sanderss philosophy which involves a market economy with socialistic programs. The most common example of this sort of economic system can be found in the Scandinavian countries, which have hardly failed. Indeed, Scandinavian countries have all been previously ranked among the highest in the world when it comes to ease of doing business, global innovation, and prosperity.
The study found that 56% of federal and state dollars spent between 2009 and 2011 on welfare programs including Medicaid, food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit flowed to working families and individuals with jobs. In some industries, about half the workforce relies on welfare.
One of the most notorious of these corporations that doesnt have to pay its workers living wages and is more or less receiving corporate welfare is McDonalds. Indeed, if we are keeping with these right wing terms, McDonalds is one enormous welfare queen. It has previously been estimated that fast-food workers, who are on average 29 years old, receive around $7 billion in public assistance, and McDonalds even has a resource line (McResource) that assists workers in signing up for assistance programs (so it doesnt have to pay livable wages). This is also true for other massive corporations like Walmart, which is notoriously low-paying and last year made nearly $16 billion in profit. It is always easier to go after the working class poor than massive corporations who make billions in profit and spend millions on lobbying.
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)Martin Eden
(12,862 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)Thanks for the thread, magical thyme.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)Right back atcha, free market fundamentalists.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)No, I kid you not!
Anton LeVey, the founder of the Church of Satan has recently, publicly admitted to plagiarizing Ayn Rand books, in order to write the Satanic Bible, AKA the Necronomicron.
So Ayn Rand is indirectly the Anti-Christ; Rand Paul her minion. Quelle surprise?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)He died 18 years ago. But the rest of this is shockingly true!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2011/06/ayn-rand-godmother-of-satanism/
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)embraced the selfish, distorted beliefs of this unfortunate woman who lacked even basic human instincts.
How she EVER got to where she did, where her garbage was required reading in US colleges, is beyond me.
And that there are still those who can't see what a warped psyche they are supporting, should be a matter of concern for this society in general.
Maybe Bernie is the one who can finally put an end to any notion that this woman was anything other than a bitter, selfish, warped individual whose hero was a child murderer.
How refreshing to have someone who is actually intelligent and decent running for office
MisterP
(23,730 posts)we wouldn't be listening to the people who think Satan's allowed into your house through Celestial Seasonings tea boxes if it didn't serve some interest, either
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)Voters would have really had a clear choice. Both establishment side would have gone nuts.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)I've used this to counter when RWers use the socialist label
http://blog.oregonlive.com/myoregon/2009/09/you_might_be_a_socialist.html
You might be a socialist if you ever had to call the police.
You might be a socialist if you ever summoned the fire department.
You might be a socialist if you ever drove your car on a public street or walked on a public sidewalk.
You might be a socialist if you use a municipal sewer service.
You might be a socialist if you get your water from a public water system.
You might be a socialist if you get your electric power from a public utility district.
You might be a socialist if you ever use a public library.
You might be a socialist if you have ever or plan to ever accept a social security check.
You might be a socialist if you use or plan to use Medicare or Medicaid.
You might be a socialist if you or your children attended public school.
You might be a socialist if you ever ride public transit.
You might be a socialist if your bank account is insured by the FDIC.
You might be a socialist if your or a member of your family went to college on a government subsidized student loan.
You might be a socialist if you ever took a trip on AMTRAK.
You might be a socialist if you ever needed the services of a fire department ambulance and EMT.
You might be a socialist if you have sent or received mail via the US Post Office.
You might be a socialist if you were ever represented in a legal matter by a public defender.
You might be a socialist if you ever referred a child to a child welfare office for protection.
You might be a socialist if you ever used electric power produced by Federally built dams.
You might be a socialist if you ever filed suit in a Federal, County, or City court.
You might be a socialist if you ever used a Federal, state, or city park.
You might be a socialist if you have ever used a public swimming pool.
You might be a socialist if you ever sought the help of a government official in solving a problem.
You might be a socialist if you ever benefited from the government regulation of private business.
You might be a socialist if you have benefited from the services of the CDC, FAA, FTSB, or other government agency.
You might be a socialist if your rights and safety have ever been defended by the armed forces.
You might be a socialist if you or a family member has ever been rescued by the Coast Guard or National Guard.
You might be a socialist if an airplane you flew on was guided to a safe landing by an air traffic controller.
You might be a socialist if felons in your area are placed in prison and the criminally insane in asylums.
You might be a socialist if you use the internet, a system developed originally by the U.S. military and scientific groups.
You might be a socialist if you have benefited in any way from research conducted by public universities.
You might be a socialist if you or any of your family have attended a public university or community college.
You might be a socialist if local public employees have cleared your streets of snow, picked up your litter, repaired potholes, or any of hundreds of other necessary tasks.
You might be a socialist if a local municipal garbage service has carried off your trash and your recyclables
You might be a socialist if state or local forestry workers have fought forest fires and maintained healthy forests in your area.
You might be a socialist if state and federal fishery workers have tried to save endangered salmon so you can continue to eat them.
You might be a socialist if you have been involved in a natural disaster and received help from a federal or state disaster relief programs.
You might be a socialist if you have ever supported the passage of a law that requires or bans activities by your fellow citizens which respectively benefit or harm you.
You might be a socialist if you own or work for any business that receives government subsidies or receives tax breaks for locating in particular areas.
You might be a socialist if you attend your favorite pro teams games in their partially tax funded parks, stadium, or arena.
You might be a socialist if you attend the games of a state college athletic team.
You might be a socialist if you invest in government securities like savings bonds or T bills.
You might be a socialist if you are a public employee.
You might be a socialist if you accepted the tax write off for buying a new home recently offered by the government.
You might be a socialist if you acquired a new car under the Cash for Clunkers program.
You might be a socialist if you have ever supported the document which begins: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
In short, you might be a socialist if you accept any service, program, or benefit that is supported in whole or in part by tax money.
Im sure all those good folks protesting government programs like health care because they are socialistic will lead by example and forswear using all of the above socialistic agenda items and any others that may have been omitted.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/myoregon/2009/09/you_might_be_a_socialist.html
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Thanks.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)So I doubt she cares or has nightmares, but you never know.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Isn't that kinda the same thing???
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)dae
(3,396 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)complain jane
(4,302 posts)Great article.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)Some good comments on that thread. And there was me...
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)prolly because things move so fast.
The only place it's a "crime" is on late breaking news!
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... just thought you'd want to know. I've done it, too.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)captainarizona
(363 posts)ayn rand went on medicare while she was denouncing it!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)She was another nut job, that was able to spew out psycho babble, that weak minded types jumped on as gospel.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Taking back the word 'socialist' has been a long time coming!
Candidates should be lining up and bumping elbows with each other to fight over who will help the people the most and the corporations the least!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Socialism is alive and well in the United States, and corporations are the beneficiaries. Corporations are legally allowed to seize their employees' pension money, for example, and dump pension liabilities on the government. Businesses are not required to have a certain percentage of employees at 40 hours a week, and are free to keep as many employees as they want below the cutoff for benefits, outside the reach of labor laws, etc. so they become essentially wards of the state. And don't even get me started on subsidies, tax credits, etc. given to corporations to entice them to obey the law.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)lostnfound
(16,169 posts)Brainwashing so many self-serving people and making it an extremist religion