Clinton moves to neutralize Sanders pre-debate by becoming Sanders

[whatchamacallit]

Guess we should have seen this coming... It'll be interesting to see how Bernie draws a contrast between them now that she's temporarily sporting all his progressive positions and ideas like a Halloween costume.

[portlander23]

1. You just blew my mind

[orpupilofnature57]

2. She'll be whoever she needs to be, I expect her to say any day now,

I am not a crook , with her arms crossed in front of her .

[Duckhunter935]

3. I would not be surprised

If she came out wearing a Bernie mask and a suit.

[Fawke Em]

16. Saw this on Twitter.

If it's too much, I'll delete it.

[whatchamacallit]

17. It's strangely flattering to her

[Nite Owl]

44. she looks

younger

[Duckhunter935]

24. Just needs to be updated

To say primaries. She will evolve back for the general

[catnhatnh]

29. Oh Look...

...her hair is evolving too!!!

[Pharaoh]

40. Ha!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoapBox]

43. LOLOLOLOL

[Oilwellian]

46. Oh...I can never unsee that

and I will never be the same.

[840high]

58. Heehee

[Marty McGraw]

52. Boehner skipping down the Halls

quoting South Park

[Rosa Luxemburg]

75. LOL!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or so I hear. nt

[Fred Sanders]

9. Clinton has sincerely moved left in her positions, true.

[artislife]

13. Not sure about sincerely. nt

[Fred Sanders]

19. Of course. That is a personal decision. I trust all the Democratic Party candidates, none of the GOP

If that offends folks, so be it....end the discussion with an insult or non- sequitur - why would I care?

[artislife]

27. Okay Freddie...okay. nt

[Scootaloo]

38. So she's what, approaching Gerald Ford levels of Leftism now?

[Art_from_Ark]

42. Returning to her roots as a Rockefeller Republican

(a la 1968 Republican National Convention)

[Fred Sanders]

63. Maybe we could do a reliable "Internet survey" or online "poll" to find out for sure?!

Who needs scientific things anyway, am I right?

[Scootaloo]

64. I thought we were talking about Hillary Clinton's positions?

Can her supporters do anything besides sneer, spew antisemitic conspiracy, and gish gallop? I have yet to see it.

[Fred Sanders]

65. Tit for tat all it is! Garbage in, garbage out. It is all about 'trust', we all get it.

Folks want a more detailed esplanation of the response from current not Sanders for number one choice in the primary voters?

Here it is -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110720698

[Scootaloo]

66. Now you're just hurling gibberish. Someday I'll see a coherent argument from a Clinton supporter.

[Fred Sanders]

69. Ditto.

[Scootaloo]

70. Now I gotta watch Blazing Saddles again

Hedley Lamarr: My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.
Taggart: Ditto.
Hedley Lamarr: "Ditto?" "Ditto," you provincial putz?

[sabrina 1]

85. We have. Got any such polls where Hillary captures the New Media denizens' support?

[840high]

59. Clinton and sincere don't belong together.

[Android3.14]

61. Time for your nap, Fred.

[truedelphi]

5. Love the idea of "her Halloween costume" -

I think part of what is at fault in her nature is that her husband truly was the Teflon President.

Nothing stuck to him, in part because we did not have the internet and so most of us were blissfully unaware of what went on behind the scenes. So Bill got away with NAFTA and policies favorable to the big Banking Industry.

I think she doesn't realize how much more aware people are now.

[AtomicKitten]

7. !!!

[Fred Sanders]

8. Complaining that Clinton is moving closer to Sanders positions? Should be welcomed by Sanders

supporters, if that is the general conclusion...why not welcome the movement left?

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Because it's insincere and intended ONLY to help her chances of getting elected?

[whatchamacallit]

12. If I thought it was genuine I'd be pleased

but as the weathervane is pointing 180 from it's previous direction, I'm pretty sure we're being had.

[mak3cats]

14. ^^^THIS!!!^^^

[Fred Sanders]

15. I get it.

You do not " trust" this Democratic Party frontrunner-person, so pretty much anything she says will be rejected...I get it. I feel the same about all the candidates in the enemy camp.

To me, Clinton's obvious movement to the left, "trust" aside, is going to peel off some Sanders supporters, so an astute political move as well.

[whatchamacallit]

20. No, you don't get it

She has a long history of pandering, flip-flopping, and triangulating. There is plenty of reason to doubt her sincerity.

[Duckhunter935]

28. I trust her

To have no positions and to change again depending on the breeze of the day.

[pangaia]

81. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT,.......l fred.

It's just a political 'MOVE."

Bernie means it and has for decades..

[Fumesucker]

18. Because she will tack right the instant she has the nomination sewn up

[Fred Sanders]

21. No doubt having no "trust" will result in one response to anything said or done. I distrust only the

candidates of the GOP.

Moving to the left in publically stated policy positions is a good thing for Clinton and a good thing for the Left.

That the stated movement to the left of Clinton will peel off some Sanders supporters unburdened by distrust is what will happen.

[whatchamacallit]

22. Because democrats are genetically programmed to tell the truth?

Your trust is disturbingly naive.

[Fred Sanders]

25. I would say the same about distrust of Clinton. So we disagree on trust...that is the end of it.

P.s. The question you asked is a a non-sequitur.

[NealK]

36. That was sarcasm, not a non-sequitur.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

41. LOL touche !

Fred Can't stand not being the center of attention. He repeats himself like a parrot even when he's clearly wrong. It's nice to see someone shut him up so efficiently.

[NealK]

34. Yep. Naive at best.

[jeff47]

30. Yes, the party really needs more voters who feel betrayed. (nt)

[Fumesucker]

32. I trust Hillary to do what she thinks is best for Hillary at any given moment

[Fred Sanders]

72. How outrageous! A politician wanting to do what is good for them to get elected! Incredible!

[pangaia]

82. it IS outrageous !!!

To lie and mislead all the time...

[kenfrequed]

71. It is because we don't know where she really stands!

Seriously, how hard is that to get??!!

You can play games all day long, but Hillary's loyalties have always been with her donors and the third way ideology regarding government.

[pangaia]

83. We Do know where she stands, and you stated it..

'...Hillary's loyalties have always been with her donors and the third way ideology regarding government."

[uponit7771]

86. So will Sanders on some issues like immigration and guns, no need to trust him on those issues

[Joe Turner]

39. desperate deceit is the general conclusion with Clinton

And few are buying it. Even you obviously don't; which makes it all the more amusing.

[Autumn]

77. Because she's really not moving left so there is no need to welcome it

[Uncle Joe]

11. Someone should be able to photo shop that idea.

Thanks for the thread, whatchamacallit.

[Fawke Em]

23. It was done.

See above.

[whatchamacallit]

26. I hadn't seen it, but it's spot on

[Uncle Joe]

31. That was good.

Thanks, Fawke Em.

[jkbRN]

33. And it will be her demise, hopefully.

If the American people can't see through this garbage I will be insanely disappointed.

[jwirr]

35. He doesn't have to. We all know that one of the many things

that draw us to Bernie is how honest he comes off. All he needs to do is continue just as he is and clearly present his positions with the detail that he has been all along.

Bernie is trusted. Hillary is less trusted. It is the content of the answer and the way it is presented. The very things that Hillary is worried about.

[whatchamacallit]

60. Many do know that

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and many do not. The scant debates were supposed to be Bernie's opportunity to introduce and define himself to the sleeping american electorate. Campaign Weathervane is systematically erasing the distinction between the candidates.

[Duval]

37. K&R eom

[Demeter]

45. Hillary is looking for a Sally Field moment

and I think she will die disappointed.

Bernine, however, doesn't care what you think about him. Bernie is all about thinking about you, your children, your parents, your friends and neighbors and co-workers, and all the rest of the world, and what is needed to maximize life.

[Samantha]

47. This is very interesting

The way one politician triumphs over another is by differentiating himself or herself from their opponent. When that opponent slowly morphs into a place where the candidates' positions seem the same, that edge is lost.

Sam

[raindaddy]

49. Maddow was echoing just that on MSNBC...

Looks like there's no real difference between the candidates on the major issues. Bernie's drawing big numbers but so did Eugene McCarthy..

[Samantha]

57. I wish she would quit stealing my material

It is the only thing I have to differentiate myself from other DU'ers.

Sam

[pnwmom]

48. Why should this be a surprise? This was the goal, according to many here.

When Sanders entered, many people said his presence was needed IN ORDER to move HRC to the left. And it did, and now the same people are shocked.

[reformist2]

50. She morphed into a leftie in the space of three days. It's totally phony. It's absurd.

[Duckhunter935]

51. and when she evolves back to the right

we will say, told you so!

[whatchamacallit]

54. Ridiculous. Whoever thought that was the goal wasn't a genuine Sanders supporter.

Actual Sanders supporters don't give a shit about dragging Hillary left because they don't want her as the nominee.

[Android3.14]

62. Odd use of the word "shocked"

Skeptical is the word you mean.

[stillwaiting]

68. You are intelligent. I don't believe you are naive.

Candidate Clinton and President Clinton would be VASTLY different people.

[kenfrequed]

74. Because it isn't at all authentic

She only moved that direction to try to knock a few questions off the table during the debate. She doesn't want any videos on replay of her trying to defend the Keystone pipeline or the TPP. There is nothing remotely real about this transition and her stated positions have loopholes and loose language that you could drive an 1,100 mile pipeline through.

[pangaia]

84. which "many people?" Where. here?

[upaloopa]

53. Reading the replies it's almost like a contest

for who can think up the best derogatory post about Hillary.
Almost like Junior high

[Fumesucker]

67. I think Steven Leser v20.08 won that contest hands down

The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.

[workinclasszero]

73. Its all they got, juvenile BS

They know Bernie is flatlined in the polls at 23% or so and a guy that's not even running pulls better numbers than Bernie!

[uponit7771]

87. Cootie jokes are coming in 5..... 4..... 3.....

[murielm99]

55. Ah! Today's meme!

The Bernie supporters continue to move in lockstep.

[whatchamacallit]

56. Could be wrong, but I think mine was first

[Rosa Luxemburg]

76. She will have to be careful she doesn't lose her righties

The centrists may be a bit nervous about her swing to the left.

[Duckhunter935]

78. The weathervane

Will rotate again. Her positions again will "evolve"

[arcane1]

79. They know it's bullshit too n/t

[Maedhros]

80. If it's a choice between a genuine Sanders, and a Clinton in Sanders clothing,

the people will choose the genuine article, every time...