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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 06:00 AM Oct 2015

RW smears or not, no matter what. Now with HRC its almost one email controversy each day.

And this is why nominate her will be a direct route toward stunning loss.

Collective political suicide that would be for sure.

Please stop the crazy train before it derails.

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RW smears or not, no matter what. Now with HRC its almost one email controversy each day. (Original Post) mylye2222 Oct 2015 OP
So desperate to keep this fake scandal going. DCBob Oct 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Live and Learn Oct 2015 #2
Exactly. That damn FBI needs to let this go. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #6
They have to do their job.. its still fake. DCBob Oct 2015 #7
Fake BI. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #12
.. DCBob Oct 2015 #15
The MSM, Republicans and Hillary's drip-drip-drip releases are keeping the scandal going. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #16
Benghazi is fake. The unsecured and easily hackable email Fawke Em Oct 2015 #17
The fakeness is that its being blown way out of proportion. DCBob Oct 2015 #18
I don't think she was selling secrets. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #19
When this is all said and done it will just be a footnote in the history books. DCBob Oct 2015 #20
If she had to do it over again she wouldn't have done it that way. frylock Oct 2015 #24
It means she didnt think it would have been a problem at the time. DCBob Oct 2015 #27
Your honor, if I had to do it over again.. frylock Oct 2015 #28
Last I checked there is no crime here. DCBob Oct 2015 #29
No crime, just one bad decision after the next.. frylock Oct 2015 #30
I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #4
Why would a person let the truth get in the way of a good ole fashioned media lynching? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #9
RAISE HILL 2016! Gamecock Lefty Oct 2015 #5
I want to thank the original poster for providing me with a segue. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #8
Please explain something to me, and I mean this sincerely... mak3cats Oct 2015 #10
I suspect most folks will be more concerned about their own lives and families than... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #11
It's not so much the details of the situation, because you're right that most people don't care... mak3cats Oct 2015 #13
I have said repeatedly using a private e-mail server was a Bad idea. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #14
Not if that server was hacked and senstive information Fawke Em Oct 2015 #21
My thoughts on this topic are outlined in Post# 8 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #22
Give it a rest.. frylock Oct 2015 #25
Why do you even care over in France? Metric System Oct 2015 #23
You are out of your league. upaloopa Oct 2015 #26

Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
16. The MSM, Republicans and Hillary's drip-drip-drip releases are keeping the scandal going.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:46 AM
Oct 2015

I would think you would recognize the reality-based evidence. Blaming a few Bernie Sanders supporters on an otherwise pretty obscure message board is hardly a reality-based conclusion.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
17. Benghazi is fake. The unsecured and easily hackable email
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:46 AM
Oct 2015

server and a failure to meet federal digital data retention laws is not.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. The fakeness is that its being blown way out of proportion.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

If she had to do it over again she wouldn't have done it that way. It was messy and insecure but there is no major scandal here.. she wasn't selling secrets to the Russians; she wasn't taking hush money from banksters; she wasn't having affairs with gangsters.. I think her biggest fault was trying to be too controlling and not being careful enough with State Department email. I don't think that's a crime.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
19. I don't think she was selling secrets.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

However, the Russians might have some secrets they're sitting on because she was trading sensitive (note: I did not say classified. That's yet to be determined) information in emails to her aides.

But, while horribly naive about information security, having a private server for email isn't a crime, per se.

The potential crime is not keeping back-up per federal digital retention laws in keeping with State Department policies.

I don't know how long State requires its IT keep back-up emails (in case of FOIA requests or lawsuits or criminal investigations), but I'm going to make an educated guess that it's longer than the 30 days the Clinton team requested the email be backed up.

Here's a good overview of how and why digital records are maintained: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-chief-records-officer-details-federal-e-mail-record-keeping-programs/2013/06/16/a6995e92-d470-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. When this is all said and done it will just be a footnote in the history books.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:43 AM
Oct 2015

The GOP will try to push this like Benghazi but eventually they will have to give it up.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
24. If she had to do it over again she wouldn't have done it that way.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:52 PM
Oct 2015

the fuck does that even mean, and how does it mitigate the fact the she DID do it the way she did?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
27. It means she didnt think it would have been a problem at the time.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

Now it turns out it was. Not that complicated to understand.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
28. Your honor, if I had to do it over again..
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:24 PM
Oct 2015

I wouldn't have driven drunk and killed those people. Oh, okay. Case dismissed.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. Last I checked there is no crime here.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

It's a case bad judgement perhaps.. a bit of sloppiness.. not criminal.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
30. No crime, just one bad decision after the next..
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

too many instances of Hillary wanting to do things differently if she could. That's not the kind of person we need in the WH.

Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
8. I want to thank the original poster for providing me with a segue.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:37 AM
Oct 2015
There is a coterie on the left who is flogging this story with the zeal of a hundred legions of Freepers. Their behavior is despicable and shameful and one day they will be held in account for their odious behavior.

It is my prayer that I have won the enmity of these vipers for " I know there is a God and he hates injustice..." *






*previously posted

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
10. Please explain something to me, and I mean this sincerely...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:51 AM
Oct 2015

...why shouldn't this be an area for concern? If HRC gets the nomination, the right-wing nut jobs will continue this smear campaign from now until Election Day. I see this as a danger to our holding on to the White House, because her standing against the Republican candidates has already seen some erosion (whether connected or not, I can't say). What will it be like a year from now?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
11. I suspect most folks will be more concerned about their own lives and families than...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:57 AM
Oct 2015

I suspect most folks will be more concerned about their own lives and families than some candidate's private server.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
13. It's not so much the details of the situation, because you're right that most people don't care...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:12 AM
Oct 2015

...but it's the constant FAUX news-like drone that she's hiding something, or not telling the truth. That can take a toll, and I'm afraid that it will take too large a toll to overcome. But then, I'm a pessimist at heart.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
14. I have said repeatedly using a private e-mail server was a Bad idea.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

That being said I sincerely doubt these investigations will result in criminal charges as there has to be mens rea or gross negligence.

All candidates have vulnerabilities that their opponents will exploit and if they don't have any their opponents will just make them up.

It reminds me of the debate about a nuclear freeze in the 80s and the opponents of the freeze in the U S argued it would lock in American nuclear inferiority. Proponents of the freeze would stump them by saying would you rather have our hand (nuclear arsenal) or their hand (the Soviet's nuclear arsenal)


What does that have to do with anything?

I rather have Hillary's hand than any of her twenty or so GOP and Democratic opponents.

Will she win? Only God knows, but the predictions markets and voters when asked who they think will win suggest it is more likely than not that she will...

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
21. Not if that server was hacked and senstive information
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:52 AM
Oct 2015

was obtained.

I really don't think you're understanding the significance here.

She could have traded sensitive information with her aides via email and that information is now in the hands of foreign actors who could use it to harm the United States, blackmail her if she becomes president or put to use on any number of other malicious plots.

I think people would be concerned about that.

And, to preempt the cries of "well the dot gov servers have been hacked before," I'll reiterate: Yes, dot gov has been hacked before, but they have layers of security. While some employee personnel files may have been leaked because they aren't as protected as state secrets, rest assured that the government uses a professional IT staff who employs encryption, logging, monitoring, data and user classification and several other security techniques to protect our national security.

A hacker may have gotten in the living room through and open window, but they're not getting into the safe.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
22. My thoughts on this topic are outlined in Post# 8
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:55 AM
Oct 2015

My thoughts on this topic are outlined in Post# 8 but I would be remiss if I didn't give you a and wish you a nice weekend.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
25. Give it a rest..
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

the people on the left flogging this story with the zeal of a hundred legions of Freepers actually have real-world experience in IT security and system administration. They understand the importance of adhering to standards and best practice. What are your credentials?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. You are out of your league.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

While you are still in some basement pounding out anti Hillary drivel she will be sitting in the White House as número uno.
Just think Hillary will have he second round of redecorating the White House.

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