2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA somewhat serious question to the HRC supporters,
and no, this is not meant as snark.
I just checked the numbers of millennials in the US
population, and it varies between 74 and 80 million.
I have talked to some of them during Bernie rallies
and checked them on the social media.Many of them
are willing to join the democratic party, because the
are fired up for Bernie.
If 25% of them are hardcore Bernie supporters, that
would mean about 18 million, and they feel deceived
by the party due to HRC's nomination, can the party
afford to lose that many younger people?
As far as I have read the numbers of millennials are
by now far greater than the ones of the baby boomers.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)If the delegates are close in count, but HRC uses the
superdelegates, the young people would feel betrayed,
at least this is what they told me.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And a handful of people at rallies do not spek for young people in general.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if the superdelegates override the will of the people and take the nom away from bernie(if he wins the delegates through the primaries) there will be such an explosion in the dem party, it might actually be the beginning of a true third party with bernie or someone equally progressive at the head of it.
dws is still rigging it, but as far as the supers stealing it, won't happen. too many people are on to the game, and they have had enough.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)She'll get many of those younger supporters
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)anger about the debates and DWS' decisions, as all
of us know.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)And millennials don't vote.
artislife
(9,497 posts)But if h is the nominee, what if they don't vote?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)"millennials don't vote"
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)millennials in the US population varies between 74 and 80 million. You've talked to some of them. Are we to assume the number you've talked to is a 25% sample or something?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I support Bernie, hands down, and I am certainly far from the only one. I was fortunate enough to be at the Boston rally last week, and the vast majority of the 24k crowd was people 18-30. Now, it's true that during the last election 80% of folks my age didn't vote, and historically that trend has held true. But this is different. Bernie is bringing out a special energy that's resonating with my generation, which is something Hillary Clinton just cannot do. Frankly, she is a candidate of the past (ironic considering Bernie's age, I know).
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)75% of the vote? For the millenium, voting will turn out to be more important to them than others since more than likely be three SC nominations which will determine rulings for years to come of which they may or may not want. The threat of millennium nor voting is going to come back to haunt them, we may be gone and the problems will impact them for years to come.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)somehow I think that 50% don't care one way or
another. Yes, you are right in that I for one may not
be around for the disastrous results from an even more
conservative court.
The sad thing is that none of them seem to think that
the SC is very important, since it does not affect them
personally at this point. Just my experience.
Gman
(24,780 posts)That Hillary will secure a majority of delegates long before the convention.
So I think the question is somewhat unrealistic.
I understand the concern. Young people need to understand any Democrat in the WH is far better for them than any Republican.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)and if you happen to think some votes are inferior to others, that is irrelevant. The election is determined by the number of votes, period. Not how many posts people on DU make telling us we should vote as the OP insists, that we are corporatists and inferior for not thinking exactly as they do; no matter how many times a candidate's supporters who average $80k plus a year tell those far less fortunate they that they are allied with Goldman Sachs and the 1 percent if they don't prioritize the concerns of the upper-middle class over our own; no matter how many times we are told we have no right to ask about Sanders voting record or consider issues like gun control and black lives. None of that matters. The ONLY thing that matters is the sum total of votes in the elections. If Sanders gets more he will win. If Clinton does, she will. If another candidate does, that person will get the nomination. The sum total of delegates as determined by the majority of votes in each state--that is how the election is decided.
Additionally, there is no evidence to support the supposition in your OP. Sanders supporters are comprised on average of white men who make over $80k a year. Whatever you happen to think about the potential of that group's future voting behavior point does not supplant our democratic rights, no matter how inconsequential you may think our votes are or how wrong you think our choices are. One person, one vote. No vote is worth more than another--not according to age, income, race, or anything else.
I think the idea that if that the majority of people don't abandon their own interests in order to vote as you tell them, if a single seventy-odd year old politician isn't elected that an entire generation of young Americans will not vote Democrat strikes me as patently absurd. If that is indeed the case, our nation is lost anyway. A conception of politics that is tied to one man's political career, to personality, is ephemeral and empty. If we truly have an entire generation of people who don't care about issues and policy but only the fortunes of a single politician, we have no civic engagement, reform, or growth as a nation. Despite how it may appear on social media, I refuse to believe most Americans are so shallow. Because if we truly have reached the level of politics as entertainment and celebrity that the scenario posited in your OP suggests, the outcome of a single election is the least of our problems.