Rep. Tulsi Gabbard uninvited from debates thanks to DNC, Bernie has her covered

[pinebox]

Wow just wow. The DNC needs to go pound sand. This is a story that has seen very little attention., Apparently Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) has been uninvited from the democratic debates on Tuesday and was shortly after appearing on tv "one day after she appeared on television calling for more Democratic debates." http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/bernie-sanders-tulsi-gabbard-dnc-debate/index.html

Bernie Sanders campaign: Tulsi Gabbard can sit with us at debate
If Rep. Tulsi Gabbard needs a ticket to Tuesday night's Democratic debate -- Bernie Sanders has her covered.

That was the message of Sanders' campaign manager on Monday, responding to a report that the Hawaii Democrat had been uninvited from attending the debate by the Democratic National Committee.

"If she needs a ticket, have her give me a call," Jeff Weaver said on CNN's "New Day" on Monday. "I think we have a couple; we can give her one."

Weaver had been asked about a New York Times report that Gabbard, a vice chairwoman of the DNC, had received a message through her staff about her attendance at the event one day after she appeared on television calling for more Democratic debates.

[HooptieWagon]

1. DWS is petty and thin-skinned for uninviting Rep Gabbard.

I'll be happy when Bernie wins and tosses her out.

[Sheepshank]

8. Can Bernie toss anyone out of the DNC when he's not a Dem?

honest question......unfortunately, braced for snarky responses.

[HooptieWagon]

11. I believe the Presidents choice heads the Party.

Obama threw out Howard Dean when he was elected. I'm not aware of any instance when the Party overturned the Presidents pick, or how such a situation would be resolved.

[Sheepshank]

12. But Obama was a Dem...that makes sense

Last edited Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)

You are implying that if a Republican became POTUS they could fire anyone in the DNC?

What makes this a little different is that while Bernie isn't a Dem, he's running on the Dem ticket...but ultimatley he's not a Dem...how could he have any say who is employed at the DNC? Is there a rule anywhere?

eta.....thanks for your polite responses

[restorefreedom]

27. if he wins the presidency on a dem ticket

yeah, he will have a say

[Sheepshank]

41. Is that an opinion or a rule?

I haven't been able to find anything

[restorefreedom]

66. i think all of this is unwritten

the banter seems to suggest that the president's opinion on the chair is very much respected. if bernie wins on the dem ticket, especially if he brings seats in congress with him, his opinion on who the chair should be would be hard to ignore imo.

[Sheepshank]

79. well, we will have to disagree on this point.

I don't think he will have any standing to fire anyone at the DNC, and likely, his opinion will not be weighted with much serious thought.

[Hortensis]

112. Back to Tulsi, turns out she's very ambitious. Back-stabbing

her own committee has gained her national media coverage on the eve of the Democratic debate. She knows Wasserman isn't too popular with many Democrats right now and that in taking this position she would appeal to them.

Don't be surprised to hear more from U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. This isn't her first or fifth leap in front of the cameras, and I'm thinking we may just get our own Fiorina pushing her way into serious national business for self aggrandizement.

She answered an apparently surprise question of if she'd accept the vice presidency with yes, but I suspect this is not how one would go about selling oneself as a reliable partner.

[restorefreedom]

118. i don't think he will be interested in "firing" anyone

and he won't need to. the tidal wave that brings him and many Democratic Congress people into office is going to bring with a lot of pissed off voters who are going to demand change. the needed adjustments will be obvious to all.

[jtuck004]

138. He will be president of the United States. Won't be given serious thought? rofl n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

124. He's running as a dem. He'll win as a dem.

[Sheepshank]

128. But he's not a Dem

He's not a Dem now and won't be after the election. If by any snowballs chance he wins the Primary and then the GE, He will have done so as an Indpendent who pisses on the Democratic Party, but runs on the Democratic ticket.

Some people just use others to get to their goal....I don't fault Bernie for trying to find the best way (via the Dems) to the Whitehouse. Politics being what it is, if they are not running to win, they clearly don't want it badly enough. Every single person on the debate stage will do what they think needs to be done to get to the Whitehouse. Bernie is just like all of them, nothing special, but the odd guy out because he's not a Dem.

[artislife]

130. Le sigh.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

135. That sounds a lot like the Teabaggers claiming Obama isn't an American.

[Sheepshank]

141. no it's not like that....calling a DU Dem a teabagger is just not a standard I subscribe to nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

145. Bernie is a fellow traveler too. More so than some DINOs I could name.

[Sheepshank]

147. what does that have to do with you call me a teabagger?

that's pretty spiteful.....and all because I'm not bowing down at the Bernie alter.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

152. I didn't. I said the tactic came from the same mindset....

"He's not a Democrat" repeated over and over to belittle Bernie and claim he's not qualified to be on the ticket is just like when Teabaggers claim Obama wasn't born in America.

The "Natural Born Citizen" argument morphed into the Natural Born Democrat.

The smug superiority for all to see of being a True Democrat goes along with it.

[Sheepshank]

153. Repetition is a learned tactic

Just how many hundreds of threads are there there just here on DU repeating the words, corporatist, untrustworthy, weathervane, flip flop?

At least clarifying that Bernie is not a Dem is not name calling, it's not rude and it's actually the truth.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

156. Depends on your definition of a Democrat....

[Bernblu]

136. Want don't you give it a rest. The Democratic voters will decide who will represent them

He's running as a Democrat and has pledged to back whoever wins the nomination. He has caucused with the Democrats for 25 years and if he wins they presidency he will control the executive branch and the Democratic party apparatus. All of the Democrats now pledged to Hillary will be be supporting him and saying lovely things about him - not because they love him but because he will have power! And that is why they support Hillary now - not because they love her because they think she will win and cut them off at the knees if they are not good loyal soldiers.

[Sheepshank]

149. I'm not sure why you feel I'm the one to give it a rest

just who you do you think you are?

I'll say what I want, when I want to say it.

no one has asked you to keep you opinions to yourself, what makes you think you have the right to do so to anyone else?

[HooptieWagon]

59. A Republican POTUS selects chair of GOP.

I figured that would be clear.

[Sheepshank]

80. It is clear now, but not how it was worded before.

Previously it was worded in a manner as to indicate that any current sitting POTUS can fire a DNC member or chair. Thanks.

I do think that without a written adopted policy on the matter, it's a moot point anyway.

[HooptieWagon]

93. Officially, the DNC elects the chair.

But if a sitting president has a preferred candidate, the 'election' is just a formality.

[Sheepshank]

100. I completely understand what you mean

But since Bernie is not a Dem, I just don't know how much "standing" he has in swaying that decision.

[HooptieWagon]

108. DNC has nothing to gain by teabaggist type obstruction.

Sanders is running on the Democratic ticket. If elected, he'll be appointing cabinet officials, judges, ambassadors, and dept heads. The Democratic Party has nothing to gain by obstructing Presidential appointments, and that would presumably include his preference to head the Party.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

125. He's running as a dem. Ergo as of now he is a dem.

[Sheepshank]

129. You are repeating yourself

And in order to not repeat myself, perhaps you could just check your other parroted post for my response.

[HooptieWagon]

158. And you keep parroting the "he's not a Democrat" line.

He's running in the Democratic primaries. Vote against him if you like. But he's on the ballot whether you like it of not.

[Sheepshank]

159. I'll keep stating the obvious as often as I please.

Bernie is courting RW voters...maybe he chose poorly when he chose to run with the Dems....who knows. All i know is that he isn't a Dem, he won't party build, he damages the party and the party needs to be nurtured and changed from within if necessary, to keep the Republican voting block in check. Without party building, without ensuring it's viability, it'll be 20+ years of non stop Republicans in the Whitehouse. Those shitheads will govern for 20 years. That's our future under Bernie. There is much more at stake than 2016-2020.

[a la izquierda]

19. never mind nt

[longship]

38. He is running as a Democrat, so he's a fucking Democrat.

And, by the way, most states do not have party voter registrations these days. So people can give up that lame argument, too.

In case nobody's noticed, Bernie has universally caucused with the Democrats. So, no matter what some ideological people think, he is a de facto Democrat.

Sheesh!

[Sheepshank]

45. no he's not a Democrat. he's said he never wants to be one

Your response unnecessarily rude. Almost defensive. But I'll try and keep it check on my end.

he's insulted the Democratic party and Obama and has been quoted saying:

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders


But then since he changed his mind about running as a Dem, maybe hell join the party? But no he's not a Dem.

[longship]

55. Utter tosh!

I made my case. Rude? Not me.

It is rude to suggest that a Democratic candidate is not a real Democrat. That would be tactic based on some ideological argument, not on actualities. During his entire political career Sanders has caucused with the Democratic Party. Apparently to some, that is not good enough.

I would paste a quadruple face palm here, but apparently there is no number of them sufficient.

And by the way, I have not expressed any candidate preference in these forums, and will not do so. So any claim that I am a Bernie supporter will fail, except that I may credibly be called a Democratic Party candidate supporter, including Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, and yes even Chafee and Lessig. I choose not to tip my hand here because this Web site has become so toxic recently.

However, when one trots out such a demonstrably false statement, no matter who the candidate is, I have to jump in.

I stand by my post.

My regards to you.

[Sheepshank]

81. yes you were rude...you can't walk it back it's pretty visible.

I will continue to state as I feel and know that Bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT.

Factually it is what it is, no matter who you support, that Bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT. Has never said that he's a Democrat and has said that he doesn't want to be a Democrat. How are facts rude...except that you just don't like them?

When Bernie turns things around and says that he is a Democrat, I may chose to reconsider. Meanwhile regardless of his caucusing, regardless of how much of a Democrat YOU think he is, the bottom line is that he has rejected that label...so he's not.

[longship]

126. ROFL!

So disagreement == rude?

I am sorry, my friend, just because I disagree with your evaluation of Senator Sanders does not make me rude. What might be called rude is to take disagreements so personally.

However, I would not use that term very often, or in this case.

My best to you.

[DemByDefault]

127. Its not even worth engaging

With people who are so petty as to get all hung up on the team jersey meme

[Bobbie Jo]

144. On Democratic Underground of all places...

So welcome to DU.

[Z_California]

63. Thank you for your "concern"

Supporting party leadership is far more important than policy positions when it comes to determining who "real" Democrats are.

Oh, almost forgot:

[Sheepshank]

82. yes...I'm concerned about party building

Even Bernie recognized he couldn't run without a party behind him. Why do you think he asked to run as a Dem instead of an Independent?

I recognize that the Republicans are a huge voting block that can be fought more effectively in the long run by another huge cohesive voting block....until the nation changes to one man/one vote, electoral college process dictates that parties are very important. Bernie will not building the Demopcratic party, O'Malley and Hillary have both stated they would.

[Z_California]

83. If Bernie didn't believe in D party values

he would run as an Independent and crush the Democratic Party's hopes for winning in 2016. The fact that he's not doing that AND that he won't speak ill of another Democratic candidate AND that he'll support any other Democratic candidate that wins the nomination is all any clear headed person should need to know.

Any other "concern" is just politics.

[Sheepshank]

85. as soon as he says that he is a Democrat and walks this back

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

I may reconsider.

[cascadiance]

90. Maybe you want to have those like Strom Thurmond back as Democrats?

... and if they were in the democratic party, would you then say there's nothing you'd have against them, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE PARTY like they used to be?

[Sheepshank]

98. what a strange comment?

We are talking about Bernie.

As you likley are very aware, very few things in politics are 100%. But in this case I am 100% sure that Bernie is not a Democrat.

There are sucky Democrats within the party....not too keen on Anthony Weiner for example...but I don't know what that has to do with Bernie. So lets try and stay on topic ok?

[cascadiance]

101. It seems your ONLY criteria to criticize him is that he's not a Democratic Party member...

I still can't find where you have ANY specific criticisms of his policies. I was just trying to point out how supporting a party member just because they are a Democrat leaves a lot to be desired for certain "Democrats", when comparing them to other politicians who aren't Democrats.

Do you think Joseph Lieberman should have run for office after he lost the Democratic Party primary? Did you support him after that?

[Sheepshank]

103. yup, on this thread I'm trying to keep on topic. n/t

[cascadiance]

109. Glad to see you acknowledge your own meaninglessness!

[Sheepshank]

115. and your attempt to constantly derail the topic at hand

is an old worn out tactic....and didn't work.

good night.

[Alittleliberal]

78. Running for the Democratic nomination in the primary makes a politician a Democrat.

It's rather simple and your sophomoric understanding of politics doesn't change that.

[Sheepshank]

84. nope...that doesn't automatically make them a Dem

especially when that candidate has gone to great lengths to diss the party and to diss Obama and clearly state they do not want to be a Dem.

You can your shove your "sophmoric" comment into the garbage can, because is a false talking point and really does make any sense unless you can find me some written rule that changes this...or until Bernie declares that he is a Dem and will Dem party build. Until then, the only comment I can go by is the one line of his:

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

[cascadiance]

89. He disses UNDEMOCRATIC principles by those who CLAIM to have them but really serve 1% rule!

That is supporting Democratic Party constituents, even if he doesn't adopt the label that has been hijacked and corrupted by so many corporatists today that just use the label and not substance to criticize those they don't like that won't do what their paymasters want!

[Sheepshank]

92. When or where has Bernie ever said he wants to be a Democrat?

he hasn't...infact he has dissed the Democratic Party.

If you find anything different, it sure would change my mind how I feel on this matter.

I don't hink there is a question that he feels strongly about some principles...but that certainly doesn't make him a Democrat and it certainly doesn't make his want to party build.

[cascadiance]

104. WHAT has he said to diss the party?

He merely has said that he can't be a Democratic Party member when he has had a lot of differing policies with how it is being run now.

The way Debbie Wasserman Schultz runs the DNC, Obama works with REPUBLICANS to pass the FASCIST TPA bill to help Corporate America take over with the TPP and other trade bills, Rahm Emanuel building Obama's cabinet before later he FOUGHT teacher's unions as a corrupt mayor of Chicago. Those are the leadership of this party that he has had a problem with, and why he criticizes them VALIDLY, not "dissing" them unfairly.

Point out where you think SPECIFICALLY (not your general name calling "dissing" here) he "disses" traditional Democratic Party members who have many of us wanting more values that he espouses than what current party leadership espouses.

[Sheepshank]

113. you could try a little doing some of your own research....it was easy to find..

I understand that this constant questioning is a tactic to see if there is any substance to an argument but it gets tiresome and frankly I don't think you are interested in any true response, you just want to badger. But this was an easy search and I just picked the first link that popped up. Enjoy.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

Story Continued Below

..“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’

”

I know you said he follows with much of the party platform, but here he says he doesn't agree with ANYTHING.

Seems his running on the Dem ticket is sort of hypocritical....and before anyone critisizes me, I'm just agreeing with his own words:

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

Now I'm done with this empty back and forth. You *think* he's just like a Dem... I say he's not a Dem, Simple.

[cascadiance]

88. Supporting Democratic POLICY in most of our books is more important than a Democratic LABEL!!!!

FDR would probably support Bernie more as a REAL Democrat in POLICY in this election were he alive today. He'd be again urging us all publicly to take on the ECONOMIC ROYALISTS, even if they are in our party today!!!

[Sheepshank]

94. when XXXX is "LIKE" YYYYY

it doesn't actually make XXXX suddenly become YYYY.

whether you feel it's personally important or not means little to me. To me, "like" is not good enough. THere is a long term future I'm concerned over, and without party building its a deal breaker. Bernie Disses the Dem Party, the thing that a real Dem POTUS would not do.

[cascadiance]

97. You talk like your coaching a football team, not one of a party of constituents of common VALUES!!!!

Values that many of us feel that Bernie has more in common with us than those who have COOPTED its leadership through the Koch Brothers funded DLC cancerous tumor that was put in place back right before Clinton took office.

Bernie caucuses WITH the party, and has helped build the progressive caucus that so many are belonging to that many of us believe have the REAL traditional Democratic Party values of old!

[Sheepshank]

102. good. it's good that he likes some Dem values. He just dislikes the party

from what I have read here, Bernie has helped elect exactly "0" Dems. Isn't that party of the support thingy that is so important. You do realize that while he caususes with Dems, Dems have been helpful to him too...they donate to his campaigns and help elect him. It served the Dem party to do so. ....but he's not a Dem.

[cascadiance]

106. He also helps the party in many cases too...

It's a two way street.

He doesn't dislike Democrats like me and many others here. He dislikes some party members that CLAIM to have Democratic Party values but would rather be PALS with the economic royalists rather than taking them on like FDR did when he did what was needed then in his time and is also needed now to rescue this country from the corporate fascism it is moving to.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

119. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

157. I'm not crazy about the way the party has shifted to the right, are you?

[cascadiance]

91. So, where's the quote that says "he never wants to be one"?

I can understand why he doesn't want to be what the party has become today with the terminal cancerous 1%er tumors it has in it that has so much of it messed up, but if can be cured of that infection, I wouldn't bet against him joining the party then.

[Sheepshank]

95. You attempt to imply that he is a Dem because you think he is like a Dem

I've shown you that he isn't even like a Dem in some of the most important ways. I've shown you over and over and over the quote where he dissed the party. He has said in all of those ways he doesn't want to be a Dem.

[blondie58]

117. He knows that to run as an independent

Would be a big fail. I am glad that he is running.

[tblue]

131. He's more of a democrat than many Dems

He's much more like FDR than any blue dog, for instance. The party has changed but Bernie's stayed true to Democratic and democratic principles.

[Sheepshank]

133. Yes, I've heard that same line here on DU a lot

I think it must give Bernie supporters some measure of comfort because they say it so often.

Interestingly enough, that quote always comes from Bernie supporters. I'm not sure you (the collective you) are convincing many outside of the Bernie bubble.

[lark]

9. DWS is a total embarassment.

She killed a motion in the house by Dems to go on record supporting the Iran deal. She's not a progressive, and no friend to peace or the working class. She's been the worst thing to happen to our party in many years, only Lieberman did nearly as much harm.

[MADem]

40. She did that because she is representing her district, and that's how they feel on the matter.

I don't agree with her on that measure, but she is most assuredly dancing with the ones what brung her.

[passiveporcupine]

35. Little dirty politics

Aren't they fun? And so true to Bernie's nature that he would extend an invite.

[saturnsring]

2. the bernie supporters remind me of hillary's campaign against obama

in that it smells of desperation

[artislife]

3. What's the common denominator in both elections?

Yeah...that.

They have the same MO each cycle...not good at making friends.

[LettuceSea]

4. The establishment did it to themselves

they're merely reaping what they sow at this point.

[99Forever]

5. Wowser.

Now there's some pretzel logic for ya.

Holy 🚬.

[roguevalley]

7. then you agree that anyone challenging the debates gets barred

Amazing

[saturnsring]

24. no i dont agree

[madfloridian]

10. The smell of desperation in 08 was not coming from Obama's campaign.

[saturnsring]

25. i agree

[AlbertCat]

17. it smells of desperation

Inviting to a debate a Dem rep that has been snubbed because she didn't tow the Third Way line "smells of desperation"?

What are you talking about?

Snubbing people REEKS of desperation.... and petty childish BS.



Besides, there NOTHING in Sanders' campaign that reminds me of anything Hillary.

[saturnsring]

28. im talking about in general, the postings of right-wing content against hillary and

the constant complaining of the number of debates, the delusion etc

[AlbertCat]

42. the postings of right-wing content against hillary

Like being a gun nut who hates PoC?


Oh wait.....

[7962]

48. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Duckhunter935]

56. lol

[Eleanors38]

77. Damn, Cat, beat me to it.

[red dog 1]

21. Your comment smells of something other than desperation

What EXACTLY has either Bernie Sanders or his supporters said or done that makes you think "the bernie (sic) supporters remind me of hillary's (sic) campaign against obama (sic) in that it smells of desperation"?

[Vincardog]

22. You are right her campaign does give off the desperate smell again.

[Vincardog]

26. That is what I read. " hillary's campaign against obama in that it smells of desperation " agreed

[Vincardog]

31. Relax I am agreeing with you.

[saturnsring]

32. ok sorry

[restorefreedom]

30. i agree, i can smell it from here

the campaign is imploding just like in 08 and the "anything to win" tactics will be rampant

[Vincardog]

36. And they will tell themselves that they have it in the bag until Bernie is inaugurated

[restorefreedom]

39. remember rove's meltdown on fox?

when megan kelly had to go to the election hq room at fox because he refused to believe pres obama had won ohio?

a lot of people gonna be looking like that.

[Vincardog]

44. I am and will be working HARD to make it so. After that we have to work harder to change

The system

[restorefreedom]

68. changing the system is key for sure. nt

[7962]

49. I remember this clip very well:

[restorefreedom]

72. jon, come back!

i do like trevor and larry, and having colbert back on helps, although i miss his blowhard persona.

[passiveporcupine]

47. Nice way to turn a DNC Wasserman thread

into a hate Bernie supporter thread. Agenda much?

[saturnsring]

52. i like bernie. i dont like many of the ways his supporters are showing their support

[jeff47]

53. Do you think repeating the same talking point makes it believable? (nt)

[saturnsring]

57. what "talking point"? what "it" am i trying to make believable?

[jeff47]

62. Let's see...low post count, relatively new account, spouting the "Sanders supporters are icky"

talking point.

Golly, this doesn't look suspicious at all. Happen to be logging in from Brooklyn?

[passiveporcupine]

61. I like Bernie, I hate his supporters

Old song...getting pretty tried of hearing it. Funny how the Hillary suporters don't ever get this from people who say they like Bernie but support Hillary. Anything they say and do is OK.

And this thread was not even about Hillary, in case you didn't notice.

As a matter of fact, the debate schedule is making all the dem candidates unhappy (except Hillary)...not just Bernie, so anyone upset with Wasserman over this is not necessarily a Bernie supporter. But if you can get in a bash at Bernie supporters, it's all fair, right?

[jalan48]

6. There's nothing behind the curtain, let's all just move on...says Debbie Downer.

[Fritz Walter]

13. Well played, Sir!

This is unbelievable!


While the GOP is imploding around the clown car -- whose occupants keep pandering to the far-right wing by saying the most hateful, ignorant and outlandish things -- the DNC is pulling this kind of juvenile shit?!?


I'm so happy that Bernie Sanders and his team rise above the pettiness and score points with the electorate in the process.

[Blus4u]

43. You are right,

Sanders and his campaign again take the high road here.
It will pay off in the end.

Peace

[LongTomH]

14. Uninvite THIS - Debbie Downer!!!!!

[Angry Dragon]

15. I am getting tired of un-elected persons deciding what I need to know

[MADem]

33. Who are the un-elected persons? nt

[Angry Dragon]

46. DNC

[MADem]

50. Your facts are out of order.

The last couple of DNC heads have been pulled from active service and have served in both capacities concurrently.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a sitting representative. She IS elected. That's how she's able to vote on measures in the House.

Tim Kaine served as DNC chair while also serving as Governor of VA.

The last DNC chair who wasn't also IN an elected office (he'd recently come from one, though) was HOWARD DEAN.

[Angry Dragon]

51. I do not believe they were elected by the democratic masses

[MADem]

67. The comments I wrote in post 64, below, apply to you as well. nt

[Angry Dragon]

73. thanks

[jeff47]

54. She is elected by one district in Florida. That is not the same as having national support. (nt)

[MADem]

64. Are you being serious? This is unbelievable, frankly, your comment.

You want a National ELECTION for a Party Chair job? You think that "We, the people" will do a good job knowing who the best fundraisers are? We DO select the people who select the party chair--do you understand that?

The DNC chair IS elected, by a wide group of people from sea to shining sea--she has "national support." If you don't like the way the process is managed in your state, check the link below, find your state leadership, and gripe to them.


Once upon a time, DUers used to have an idea how poltics worked. This is not the case, anymore, I see, to my great dismay.

Here, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

The chairperson of the DNC (currently U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida) is elected by vote of members of the Democratic National Committee. The DNC is composed of the chairs and vice-chairs of each state Democratic Party Committee, two hundred members apportioned among the states based on population and generally elected either on the ballot by primary voters or by the State Democratic Party Committee, a number of elected officials serving in an ex-officio capacity, and a variety of representatives of major Democratic Party constituencies.

[jeff47]

74. You're the one hiding behind "SHE'S ELECTED!!!!one!!!".

If you don't like the implications of only being elected by one district in Florida, and her inability to garner even statewide support, then you should probably use a different argument.

The DNC chair IS elected, by a wide group of people from sea to shining sea

Nope. When the president is a Democrat, he chooses the DNC chair. The "election" becomes a formality.

When we don't hold the White House, there is a meaningful election.

Once upon a time, DUers used to have an idea how poltics worked.

Once upon a time, you thought about your posts before clicking the button. Your new model of rage-posting does not suit you.

[jtuck004]

139. +100 Not nearly enough people agree with you. n/t

[George II]

20. I will wait until this "story" has been disproven. Nothing at all says it's true.

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[MADem]

37. It's NOT TRUE--what is UP with all these false reports being shopped on line?

Right at the TOP of the page:

A DNC spokeswoman told The New York Times that Gabbard was not uninvited, but that the focus at the debate should be on the candidates


Last night there was HUGE drama about how the "time of the debate was changed" -- only that wasn't true, EITHER.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf learned a lesson from shopping falsehoods. I'm not sure who in the media or involved with a political campaign is shopping these false rumors, but it's not helping at all.

[HooptieWagon]

65. It's true.

there are several articles you can easily Google. DWS did uninvite Rep Gabbard, due to her expressing her opinion that more debates should be held. It sure makes Hillary's minion, DWS, look petty and partisan.

[MADem]

69. According to the LINK AT THE OP, it is NOT TRUE.

The very link disproves the thesis.

smh.

[HooptieWagon]

70. New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-debate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/?_r=0

[MADem]

162. She said she was disinvited. The DNC aide said otherwise.

From your very own link:

A person close to the committee who asked for anonymity to discuss internal discussions insisted, however, that Ms. Gabbard had not been disinvited. Instead, the person said, an aide to Ms. Wasserman Schultz expressed a desire to keep the focus on the candidates as the debate approached, rather than on a “distraction” that could divide the party, and suggested that if Ms. Gabbard could not do that, she should reconsider going.

[Yurovsky]

163. Please, DWS is HRC's lapdog...

anyone with the slightest clue as to the internal machinations of the DNC knows that. DWS is bought and paid for by the Clintons.

[MADem]

164. The link that was supposed to prove the point...it didn't.

Seems like a "Stop making this about YOU" admonition was not out of line, and that's all it was.

Nice attempt at a pivot/change subject, though.

[George II]

76. Why not use google to find when she WAS "invited"? You can't be "uninvited" unless......

.....you've been invited in the first place.

[ChiciB1]

121. Gabbard Has Been On TV Quite A Few Times, Just Tonight And

she's spoke the words out of her OWN mouth! Hardly a false report, you need to dig a little deeper because the latest news is that she's come out and that it DID happen! Hey, I watched her say it!

[MADem]

123. You need to look at the link. She was not told that. Let's be polite--she's "misunderstanding." nt

[passiveporcupine]

60. Here you go George

D.N.C. Officer Says She Was Disinvited From Debate After Calling for More of Them Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii spoke at an event in Washington in 2013.

Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, a vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, said she was disinvited from the first Democratic presidential primary debate in Nevada after she appeared on television and called for more face-offs.

Ms. Gabbard confirmed on Sunday that her chief of staff received a message last Tuesday from the chief of staff to Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the national committee, about her attendance at the debate. A day earlier, Ms. Gabbard had appeared on MSNBC and said there should be an increase beyond the current six sanctioned debates.

A person close to the committee who asked for anonymity to discuss internal discussions insisted, however, that Ms. Gabbard had not been disinvited. Instead, the person said, an aide to Ms. Wasserman Schultz expressed a desire to keep the focus on the candidates as the debate approached, rather than on a “distraction” that could divide the party, and suggested that if Ms. Gabbard could not do that, she should reconsider going.

Ms. Gabbard insisted otherwise.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-debate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/

In her own words. Is that good enough for you? Right!

[HooptieWagon]

71. Here:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-debate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/?_r=0

[Indepatriot]

137. What happened to George?

[jfern]

87. It's TWO DNC vice chairs against the DNC chair

R.T. Rybak also said he was disinvited.

[sufrommich]

96. Where does he say that? nt

[jfern]

105. Twitter. See comment 86.

[sufrommich]

114. His tweet says " I was not scheduled to go to that debate"

Where does he claim he was uninvited? It looks to me like a NYT writer asked if he was uninvited and the tweet you're pointing to is his answer.

[We Want Bernie]

107. Right here.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-debate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/

I don't care if you don't like the source. There's plenty more where it came from.

[sufrommich]

116. That article does not say he was uninvited,at all.

The article does nothing more than link him to Gabbard as someone who also called for more debates.Where does he claim that he was uninvited?

[ChiciB1]

122. Really Don't Want To Argue With You, But Reality Isn't Something

you can ignore. It's a fact and maybe in time you'll actually hear or see one or both of these Representatives on CNN, MSNBC or others shows. She's been on both tonight!

[restorefreedom]

34. this is the kind of class

and decorum we need in a president. rising above the petty and desperate bullshit.

can't wait until bernie is sworn in

[red dog 1]

58. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be "uninvited" from being DNC Chairwoman

According to the link in the OP's CNN article to a CNN article from September 19, titled:
"RELATED: DNC Chair heckled with debate calls"

"many Democrats have criticized the decision not to hold more events, saying it favors party front-runner Hillary Clinton, and several party leaders, including top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi, have called for more debates."

(From the same 9/19 CNN article)
Hillary Clinton told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that she would be open to more debates.
"I am ready and willing, no matter what they decide, to show up and be there.."

DWS: "What's more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans, or arguing about debates?"


I think Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as DNC Chairwoman.
The DNC should be led by someone who can unite the Democratic Party, not divide it.
(How about Rep. Tulsi Gabbard as new DNC Chairwoman?)

[haikugal]

75. Let's just uninvite the DNC....

Or restock with democrats that believe in democracy.

[red dog 1]

154. Tulsi Gabbard is "a chairwoman of the DNC"

There's no need to "throw the baby out with the bathwater",

What the DNC needs to do is to get a new chairperson. ASAP!
(DWS needs to go!)

[haikugal]

155. Restocking doesn't mean get rid of everyone..

Otherwise we Agee..she needs to go...and so do the rest of the so called centerists (third way neo-lib corporatist) and bring in more democratic socialists who work for everyone.

[red dog 1]

160. DWS needs to go....we agree on that!

As far as the rest of your post, I don't think "centerist" is even a word,
and, although I THINK I know what you mean by "third way neo-lib corporatist"
bringing into the DNC "more democratic socialists who work for everyone" sounds like bringing in
more people like Bernie Sanders, who is the only "democratic socialist" that I know of;
and that sure as hell isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Getting rid of Waserman-Schultz as DNC Chair should be the top priority now, before she divides the Party more than she already has.

(BTW, I support Bernie Sanders, and I think he would be a much stronger candidate than .HRC)

[haikugal]

161. What is a democratic socialist?

Centrism, Well, I assume you're calling out my spelling errors.

In politics, centrism or the centre is a political outlook or specific position that involves acceptance or support of a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy; while opposing political changes which would result in a significant shift of society either strongly to the left or the right.[1] Centre left and centre right politics both involve a general association with centrism combined while leaning somewhat to their respective sides of the spectrum. The term is often used interchangeably with the Third Way, a political position popularized by Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Paul Keating in the 1990s, whereby policies favored a balanced approach and the removal of extreme ideologies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrism

Hope that helps.

[red dog 1]

165. Thanks for that

Now I know what the Third Way means.

Bill Clinton, with all his faults, (especially his repeal of Glass Steagall), was not a bad POTUS

He was a "schmoozer" which fit well with the Republican House leaders he needed to compromise with....like House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

[jfern]

86. DNC vice chair R.T. Rybak also disinvited

https://twitter.com/R_T_Rybak/status/653587345653022720

[Luminous Animal]

148. Not true. He clearly states "I was not scheduled to go to that debate"

https://twitter.com/R_T_Rybak/status/653587345653022720

[pa28]

99. Perfect example of the Streisand Effect backfiring badly on Schultz.

I hadn't heard Gabbard's comments regarding the debates until DWS uninvited her and now it's an issue again. Thanks Debbie!

[Catherina]

110. +1. But it's seeing plenty of attention on real people comms venues n/t

[NorthCarolina]

111. They're sending a message, 'don't fuck with the establishment'. eom

[fadedrose]

120. She was promted to Major

I saw her on Wolf Blitzer...she is incredible. Bernie was good to offer her a seat. I'm sure the other 3 would have offered too if they had known sooner.

Another reason that she's banned from the debate is probably due to her announcing that she is against a "No-Fly Zone," in Syria, because in order to maintain it, the US would have to shoot down Russian planes and other allies, and it would lead to WAR, a real war...

And Mrs. Clinton has just announced she is for a No-Fly-Zone. DNC can't have people like Rep. Tulsi running around...

[Cheese Sandwich]

132. We should support Russia bombing terrorists.

I don't get why everyone assumes we have to be against it just because Russia.

Every ISIS should be bombed.

[avaistheone1]

134. k&r

[George II]

140. When was she "invited"?

[pinebox]

146. Here

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+was+Rep.+Tulsi+Gabbard+invited+to+the+debates

[George II]

151. Nice google search but it doesn't answer the question - all of those links....

....talk about the alleged "disinvite".

Nowhere do any of those articles indicate when the invitation was extended to her, if ever.

[SoapBox]

143. So has she accepted

or declined?