Only 4% of black voters in South Carolina support Bernie Sanders.

[Cali_Democrat]

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WOW!

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In the new poll, 59% of black voters say they back Clinton, 27% say Biden and just 4% for Sanders. Among white voters, Sanders has the edge, 44% to 31% for Clinton and 22% for Biden. Without Biden in the race, it's a near-even split among whites, 48% Clinton to 47% Sanders, while blacks break 84% to Clinton and just 7% would back Sanders.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/poll-south-carolina-nevada-hillary-clinton/index.html

[We Want Bernie]

1. How tiny was the sample? n/t

[Scootaloo]

2. 301 Democrats in South Carolina.

The CNN/ORC polls were conducted by telephone October 3-10. A total of 1,009 South Carolina adults were interviewed, including 301 who said they were likely to vote in the Democratic presidential primary. In Nevada, interviews were conducted with 1,011 adults, including 253 who said they were likely to participate in the Democratic presidential caucus. Results among likely Democratic voters in South Carolina have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.5 percentage points, for Nevada Democratic caucusgoers, it is 6 points.

[We Want Bernie]

4. IOW, bupkis

Telephone polls? Wrong demographics.

[zappaman]

6. Yes, everyone knows AAs don't have phones.

[Scootaloo]

7. What proportion of those 301 people were African American?

[zappaman]

9. I didn't conduct the poll.

Sorry, you might want to ask someone who did.

[Scootaloo]

16. Well, it's not indicated in the poll itself

However a big conclusion is being reached by Cali_Democrat based on this unknown number.

All we can be certain of with these numbers is that at least 25 African Americans are included in the 301 democrats.

[6chars]

30. 65%

[Scootaloo]

32. Source? It's not in the OP article

[6chars]

38. algebra

from article, Hillary total is 49%, 59% of AA, 31% of white. Bernie 18%, 44%, 4$, Biden 24%, 27%, 22%. With 65% AA, 35% white (not exactly correct, since not really 100% of voters), each candidates total voters are basically equal to their computed AA + white.

[Scootaloo]

40. Alright

I refuse to math on mondays.

[NCTraveler]

3. According to many posts, he will make up for it in white conservative support. nt.

[We Want Bernie]

5. Says who? Link please.

I'll be waiting for one such post.

[Scootaloo]

8. You know! "Many people"

[NCTraveler]

12. You haven't seen many of his supporters here talking about how his message resonates with.....

conservatives? Just playing. I know you have. It just doesn't sound as good as his supporters thought it did when placed in context of what it really means. You really don't think their are posts here with over fifty recs about how he resonates with conservatives. You live on this site. You have seen them. Bet you have even reced a couple. lol.

[Scootaloo]

21. You said people are dismissing black voters because white conservatives will make up for it.

Prove this claim.

[Scootaloo]

37. C'mon NCtraveler, back it up or back it off.

[NCTraveler]

10. Don't need to link them. You have seen them.

Please don't tell me you actually haven't seen post after post about how his message resonates with conservatives. I simply wouldn't believe you if you said you hadn't seen them. I can actually see that happening thought. lol.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Read this OP and the replies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251657540

[NCTraveler]

13. They really thought that sounded awesome, until they thought about it. lol.

He resonates with conservatives. Let me inform them on something, neither Clinton or O'Malley resonates with white conservatives.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Obama did anti gay rallies to win SC last time, resonated with the anti gay religious crowd

and that was perfectly acceptable to basically all of his supporters. The surrogate who called us vampires and child killers was one of the worst.
Dig this, those who hate gay people are conservatives. Obama pandered hot and hard for the votes of religious conservatives in SC. Just a fact.
This double standard thing makes me sick.

[NCTraveler]

25. "and that was perfectly acceptable to basically all of his supporters."

Wasn't even remotely acceptable to me.

"Obama pandered hot and hard for the votes of religious conservatives in SC. Just a fact. "

I'm trying to figure out what you are saying. We seem to agree completely that this is a bad idea. My very short initial post was about his supporters bragging about how his message resonates with white conservatives and they should be brought into the fold.

"This double standard thing makes me sick. "

Please show me my double standard that is making you sick. Maybe I am reading you wrong. You are very consistent on your well thought out posts so I am pretty sure I am reading you wrong.

[uponit7771]

50. Bull, wasn't acceptable to me... I don't expect perfection from Obama, Sanders, Clinton

... or any of them

[Bobbie Jo]

27. It was probably posted

before you signed up last week.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. FIXED

It was probably posted before you re-signed up last week.

[Bobbie Jo]

34. Thanks

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. You are welcome. One need not be Inspector Clouseau to see what's up./nt

[zappaman]

61. !!!

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Perhaps we would do well to review the actions of our candidates attempting to win SC in 08....

Obama held rallies with ant gay, 'ex gay' evangelists one of whom called LGBT people vampires and child killers. Bill Clinton spoke of Jesse Jackson and fairy tales to seek those votes.

Good stuff.

[NCTraveler]

20. Wouldn't exactly call that good stuff.

Though I do view the "fairy tale" comment different than most. You point still stands as there were other things along these same line I view as worse that came from our party during that time.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. My point is that SC Democrats are conservative Democrats, both Obama and Clinton pandered to

their conservatism last round, Obama more than any and he won because of it. My point is that voters who need to hear hate preaching to respond are not examples I wish to follow. They are conservative religious Christians. Bernie is a Jew who likes LGBT people. Not so sure it is a groovy thing those voters are not considering him.
Let's just be honest about the place.

[brush]

18. And why is that a good thing? White conservatives are the antithesis of . . .

what this site is about and what I understand that Sanders is about.

[workinclasszero]

15. 4%!!!!!!

Feel the bern baby!

oh...

Nevermind.

[We Want Bernie]

17. Yeah, with 300 people

polled on the Democratic side.

The sample is invalid.

[workinclasszero]

19. Yeah...wrong

Math is hard, I know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Fuzzy Math

[Cali_Democrat]

24. You should create website detailing how all the polls showing Bernie behind are skewed

Maybe you can call it www.unskewedpolls.com

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Good One

[redstateblues]

28. We all know that any polls that don't favor Bernie

are skewed and manipulated by neoliberal, corporatist, third way, DINOs

[workinclasszero]

33. Of course

Unskew those corporatist polls Bernie backers!

[6chars]

31. -1% is within margin of error

[hrmjustin]

26. Not everyone feels the bern.

[lunamagica]

35. Looks like Cornel West's endorsement had ZERO effect. It may have even hurt him

I mean 4%?

How lower that that can you get?

[Cali_Democrat]

42. I remember that!

Bernie was heading to South Carolina with Cornel West in tow:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251574719

Looks like a big flop.

[workinclasszero]

44. Why Bernie was going to conquer the south with Dr. West

Wha happened??

[lunamagica]

45. Remember how several AA DU'ers warned that this would backfire? They were dismissed

like they didn't know what they were talking about.

Looks like, after all, they DID know what they were talking about.

[Bobbie Jo]

46. As brilliantly predicted...

Turns out the AfAm community on this board know their stuff.

Of course some of us already knew that.

[lunamagica]

47. Thanks for that link! I had forgotten that when I posted

"Good look with that" (West's endorsement)

Someone replied "Watch the polls"

Well, we're watching the polls, and looks like those of us who thought this would backfire on Sanders were right!

Oh, all those predictions on that thread...

[SidDithers]

43. Needs more Cornel West!!...nt

Sid

[KeepItReal]

48. The poll actually said 6% for Sanders, 56% Clinton, 26% Biden

Among "Non-White" voters in SC

Page 38 of the actual poll.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/nevada-south-carolina-poll-cnn-orc-clinton-sanders-full-results/index.html

Check your stats Cali_Democrat

[Cali_Democrat]

49. Blacks aren't the only non-white voters.

You should check your numbers.

From the article:


In the new poll, 59% of black voters say they back Clinton, 27% say Biden and just 4% for Sanders.

[KeepItReal]

53. Show me where in the actual poll you see the words "Black" or "African American"

And then show me that 4% figure.

[Cali_Democrat]

55. From link:

In the new poll, 59% of black voters say they back Clinton, 27% say Biden and just 4% for Sanders.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/poll-south-carolina-nevada-hillary-clinton/index.html

[KeepItReal]

58. CNN pollster's words don't jibe with the released poll. So where did she get that?

Still want to see that 4% in the poll itself.

You ignored my request for data in the poll and pointed to the article she wrote summarizing the poll with no data to back it up.

[questionseverything]

59. from the article

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/nevada-south-carolina-poll-cnn-orc-clinton-sanders-full-results/index.html

page 42 says 71% of non white voters polled are still trying to make up their minds

[KeepItReal]

60. And 65% of ALL Dems in the poll still trying to decide who to select in the Primary

Funny how the article writer left that out

[questionseverything]

64. yep just an over site i am sure

this is really good news for bernie

hc has been running for years and if she hasn't made her case by now for 71% of non white voters she probably will not get it done

[ibegurpard]

51. for now

We'll see how things go.

[questionseverything]

54. it is way early

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/nevada-south-carolina-poll-cnn-orc-clinton-sanders-full-results/index.html

look at page 3..nevada...still trying to decide 58%

or page 8...sc...still trying to decide 65%

most people do even realize it is primary time until the debates start, i worry more about the paperless voting system in sc than early numbers

[orpupilofnature57]

52. CNN told us and most of Congress WMD's definitely existed, stats and polls aren't issues .

[whatchamacallit]

56. I know, isn't it wonderful?!?

[JaneyVee]

57. Ouch.

[taught_me_patience]

62. not feeling the bern

Of his holier than thou attitude.

[DCBob]

63. Bernie simply does not connect with AA voters.

He has made almost no headway with African American voters since the campaign began. Doubt that dynamic changes.