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Is Hillary Clinton a capitalist? (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 OP
Who are her biggest supporters? DocPain Oct 2015 #1
Probably capitalists. Welcome. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #2
Thanks Cheese Sandwich. DocPain Oct 2015 #5
Clinton is an olgarch. 99Forever Oct 2015 #3
But isn't oligarch a term for 'Powerful Capitalist'? cprise Oct 2015 #7
I have a few terms I would say fit Hillary Clinton. 99Forever Oct 2015 #41
Yikes! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #44
Is she? Or is she just a high ranking flunky? Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #8
Thread winner. hifiguy Oct 2015 #37
Obviously she is for a mixed market economy as she applegrove Oct 2015 #4
That was her marquee cause. Her subterrainnean advancement of Free Trade cprise Oct 2015 #13
WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton Pushed Mexico's Oil Privatization Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #34
Hillary Clinton Pitched Iraq As 'A Business Opportunity' For US Corporations Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #35
Clinton never tried to get TM99 Oct 2015 #17
She did try. She had experts from Canada come down and testify. applegrove Oct 2015 #38
The facts are out there. TM99 Oct 2015 #40
She was already 'Co-President' for 8 years cprise Oct 2015 #6
of course. So am I. And so are you. My ten year old became one this summer... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #9
That wouldn't be capitalism unless she opened it with a bank loan AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #12
Is that your made-up definition? wyldwolf Oct 2015 #15
Capitalism involves 'capital' AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #25
so it IS your made up definition wyldwolf Oct 2015 #26
That is my Political Science professors AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #30
Says you. Regardless, that definition stands in opposition from all other reference sources. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #31
Democratic Socialists are Capitalists AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #10
Why then aren't they Democratic Capitalists? brooklynite Oct 2015 #14
How can there be democratic capitalism? Isn't power in capitalism always concentrated in the wealthy Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #20
Because there is no such thing AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #23
And then they ask, "if there's no such thing as democratic capitalism.. aidbo Oct 2015 #45
we do not have Capitalism now. We have 'supply side' AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #47
Uh, not quite. DemSoc regulation carries the possible threat of cprise Oct 2015 #16
Yes its called 'heavy regulation' AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #24
No nationalization isn't regulation. eom cprise Oct 2015 #42
And heavy regulation isnt nationalization AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #43
Seriously? mmonk Oct 2015 #11
Yes. What's so bad about being successful. I rather be successful than be poor, to be honest. NYCButterfinger Oct 2015 #18
Uh...did I miss something? cheapdate Oct 2015 #32
What I mean to say is this: Success is not bad. NYCButterfinger Oct 2015 #46
famous capitalists wyldwolf Oct 2015 #19
I'm in hell Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #21
capitalist wyldwolf Oct 2015 #22
By definition more a fascist . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #27
Vulture/Vampire Capitalist or Capitalist fredamae Oct 2015 #28
I think she fits Webster's definition moreso than Bernie does... cascadiance Oct 2015 #29
They are both capitalist.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #33
does thr Pope shit in the woods ? olddots Oct 2015 #36
croney capitalist Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #39

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
41. I have a few terms I would say fit Hillary Clinton.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

'Powerful Capitalist' is far more flattering than the terms she actually deserves.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Thread winner.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

And she is owned and financed by oligarchs and plutocrats. So technically she is a rich and high-ranking flunky and water-carrier for the REAL moneyed interests.

No, thank you.

applegrove

(118,492 posts)
4. Obviously she is for a mixed market economy as she
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

tried to get universal health care passed. So is almost every economy in the world.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
13. That was her marquee cause. Her subterrainnean advancement of Free Trade
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

from NAFTA all the way to the TPP suggests a hostility toward even mixed economies.

As "partner in the Oval Office" with her husband, she should bear some responsibility over the repeal of Glass-Steagal and the knee-capping of welfare (and the further deregulation of the media, etc. etc.). Its sort of too bad she ran for president in 2008, when she defended her old policies.

Frankly, I think she is just a stealth Neocon. With her support for arming Syrian rebels back in 2011, her actions are in line with those of Straussian chickenhawks.

On Edit: Yes, selling war has everything to do with being a capitalist.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. Clinton never tried to get
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:12 PM
Oct 2015

universal health care passed.

That is factually incorrect. She pushed a version of Heritage Care that is not that different from RomneyCare or the current ACA.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
40. The facts are out there.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:26 PM
Oct 2015

Hell even that bastion of wisdom, Wikipedia, clearly states she never tried to pass universal health care. Historical revisionism doesn't help her case.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
6. She was already 'Co-President' for 8 years
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

Her capitalist credentials should be well-established by her directorship at Walmart and the policies that flowed out of the Clinton presidency *and* the policies from the past that she has been defending.

...*and* the policies she has been promoting practically to this day, like Free Trade.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
9. of course. So am I. And so are you. My ten year old became one this summer...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:00 PM
Oct 2015

...with her first lemonade stand.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
15. Is that your made-up definition?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

capitalist
noun cap·i·tal·ist \-ist\
: a person who has a lot of money, property, etc., and who uses those things to produce more money

capitalist (ˈkæpɪtəlɪst)
n
1. (Economics) a person who owns capital, esp capital invested in a business


Just don't see anything about a bank loan. Oh, she did get the start-up cash from the Bank of Mommy and Daddy.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
30. That is my Political Science professors
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:59 PM
Oct 2015

definition. Of course he has a PHD so he has a little more insight than we do

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
10. Democratic Socialists are Capitalists
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:01 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Like pure socialism, Democratic Socialism has private ownership of the means of production. They practice heavily regulated Capitalism.

brooklynite

(94,352 posts)
14. Why then aren't they Democratic Capitalists?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

...the problem is that you'll need to keep explaining the difference to low information voters.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
20. How can there be democratic capitalism? Isn't power in capitalism always concentrated in the wealthy
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:13 PM
Oct 2015

Democratic capitalism sounds self contradicting. An oxymoron.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
45. And then they ask, "if there's no such thing as democratic capitalism..
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015

..then what do we have now?"

Then head-splosion

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
47. we do not have Capitalism now. We have 'supply side'
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:57 AM
Oct 2015

In a Capitalist system, supply increases to meet demand. In 'supply side' there is no need for demand, only government supplied 'supply' is necessary. It is 'supplied' by we the people in the form of tax cuts. It is paid for with the credit card. Supply side does not trickle down. Supply side is basically money laundering.

Supply side is NOT Capitalism.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
16. Uh, not quite. DemSoc regulation carries the possible threat of
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:10 PM
Oct 2015

nationalization.

The 'Democratic' part means they don't try to ban parties that represent capitalism or other economic points of view.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
24. Yes its called 'heavy regulation'
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

That which is deemed vital to the common good is nationalized. Like we have always done in the USA. AKA utilities, military, banks, etc.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
18. Yes. What's so bad about being successful. I rather be successful than be poor, to be honest.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:12 PM
Oct 2015

What is there if you are poor? What life is that? It's time to be honest.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
32. Uh...did I miss something?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

Did someone propose that success was bad? What am I missing? A little help, please?

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
46. What I mean to say is this: Success is not bad.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

Capitalism has it's faults. I think it is the best way to get out of poverty. They are some people who think it is bad. Some folks in the party. The rich who don't pay taxes should be punished, but let's not attack all wealthy and successful people. Tax the rich, and you see how surpluses will rise in the U.S. and around the world.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
27. By definition more a fascist .
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:48 PM
Oct 2015

The war in Iraq, the TPP, and unchecked surveillance, using government facilities for corporation gains, such as prisons .

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
28. Vulture/Vampire Capitalist or Capitalist
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

in the same sense Sanders agrees with good old fashioned capitalism?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
29. I think she fits Webster's definition moreso than Bernie does...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalist

capitalist
noun | cap·i·tal·ist | \-ist\

: a person who has a lot of money, property, etc., and who uses those things to produce more money
: a person who believes that capitalism is the best kind of economic system


Full Definition of CAPITALIST

1 : a person who has capital especially invested in business; broadly : a person of wealth : plutocrat
2 : a person who favors capitalism


Related to CAPITALIST

Synonyms
Croesus, deep pocket, fat cat, have, money, moneybags, plutocrat, silk stocking

Antonyms
have-not, pauper
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. They are both capitalist....
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:05 PM
Oct 2015

and both have long records showing support for capitalism as their preferred system.

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