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FiveThirtyEight Endorsement Update: Hillary 354, Biden 16, Sanders 2, O'Malley 1 (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 OP
One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do virtualobserver Oct 2015 #1
Turn out the lights, the party's over left-of-center2012 Oct 2015 #2
This is just stupid. Proof? Biden has 16 and isn't even running. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #3
No matter how much I might like Sanders, this is just a bridge too far. procon Oct 2015 #4
Endorsements and delegates often change to other candidates. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #5
Actually, that's not quite right. procon Oct 2015 #6
Then voting doesn't matter. That's what you're saying. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #7
PS, the correct number is 153 individual endorsements. Count the names. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #8
He's gone from 0 to 2 congressional endorsements in the last few days jfern Oct 2015 #10
I suck at math... tell me again how many votes that's equal to. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #9
Wow, 2 sure does look puny compared to 354. R B Garr Oct 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #12
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
1. One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:46 PM
Oct 2015

Two can be as bad as one
It's the loneliest number since the number one

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
3. This is just stupid. Proof? Biden has 16 and isn't even running.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

Our current president, on this date on 2007, not very many.

This year her endorsements are significant and serve as evidence of how f'ed up things are.

But they don't foretell the outcome of the primary or the GE.

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procon

(15,805 posts)
4. No matter how much I might like Sanders, this is just a bridge too far.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:48 PM
Oct 2015

How does he ever get past this sticking point? Sure the numbers will shift a bit, but there's simply no way to close the gap. He can't win without locking in these key endorsers.

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
5. Endorsements and delegates often change to other candidates.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:14 PM
Oct 2015

A great many delegates aren't spoken for and those who have can change.

It's early yet.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Actually, that's not quite right.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:46 PM
Oct 2015

Look, if Clinton has already secured 354 pledges out of a possible 585, that leaves 231 in play. The winning candidate needs 270. Do the math. Any way you add it up, Sanders has 2, he would need to capture every single unsecured vote, plus convince another 37 to leave Clinton and vote for him. The math won't ever add up.

There's always some confusion about the mish mashed process, but remember these are formal, legal pledges. The Electoral College votes are governed by law and states set punishment for "faithless" or rogue electors who might think to pledge their vote and then try to switch at the last moment. States have the power to replace them or void their vote, so it doesn't happen that often, and no faithless elector has ever changed the outcome of an election. Look it up.

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
7. Then voting doesn't matter. That's what you're saying.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:55 PM
Oct 2015

The fix is not only a theory, it's in and it's in this year, already done, no reason to even hold debates.

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
8. PS, the correct number is 153 individual endorsements. Count the names.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

governors count as 10, senators get 5 points.

I gotta go.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
10. He's gone from 0 to 2 congressional endorsements in the last few days
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:19 PM
Oct 2015

And you decide now to complain about his lack of endorsements? LOL, great timing.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #11)

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