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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:08 PM Oct 2015

I hope they ask in the debate: why would a 'progressive' candidate accept mostly corporate funding?

We know but maybe voters don't know that most candidates are sponsored by 'big money' from corporations. A questions should be asked - if you are a progressive candidate (wannabe) and a champion of the people why do you take so much money from corporate donors?

(of course we know there is a real champion of the people who does not take 'big money' - 'corporate funding nor from PACS).

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I hope they ask in the debate: why would a 'progressive' candidate accept mostly corporate funding? (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 OP
it will be the standard answer restorefreedom Oct 2015 #1
You hit it right on. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #8
All too true: Throwing away good intentions after bad Populist_Prole Oct 2015 #16
"Give us subpoena power!" Maedhros Oct 2015 #17
Eh, I already know her response to that...its been parroted here for months... bobbobbins01 Oct 2015 #2
Yep davidpdx Oct 2015 #20
If Bernie wins, they will no longer be able to use the excuse "You can't win without liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #3
and yet another reason to donate to Bernie Sanders as well. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #7
You're right they should ask that but it's so easy to answer. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #4
It is a bribery system AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #5
Mostly corporate funding? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
HRC is beholden to those billionaires that give her money. They don't care about rhett o rick Oct 2015 #9
Super ditto! SoapBox Oct 2015 #10
Like the poutrage about registration thread they're left to just making shit up now uponit7771 Oct 2015 #18
Wondering if you have a better idea Gman Oct 2015 #11
Some of this seems like the republicans inability to see the changes in American culture, Sanders... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #19
Oh no, they can't do that... MattSh Oct 2015 #12
Small point, this is not a debate for the Progressive party nor is this the Progressive Underground. cstanleytech Oct 2015 #13
All the candidates can say Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #14
Surely someone on stage will bring up the corporate funding issue. nilram Oct 2015 #15

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
1. it will be the standard answer
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:16 PM
Oct 2015

which basically says "i need all this money to win in a corrupt system so i can change the corrupt system."



Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
16. All too true: Throwing away good intentions after bad
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:02 AM
Oct 2015

We've seen it before too many times: "We just gotta win first....then we can do good things", but it just never happens.

I've also seen the same thing countless times throughout my work life:

New supervisor/foreman/manager says he'll change things from the repressive hidebound ways...but we just have to follow upper management's inflexible and mindless directives for now and up UP UP! productivity in the face of it, lest said supervisor/foreman/manager gets the axe: then they can do good things. 'Peter Principle' moves heretofore "progressive" supervisor/foreman/manager to upper management, who now becomes an ardent defender, nay, generator of the status quo. Rinse and repeat...............

I'm done with the status quo.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
2. Eh, I already know her response to that...its been parroted here for months...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:19 PM
Oct 2015

If the other team is going to have that kind of money, the only possible way she can compete is to go after the same money.

The real question shouldn't be why she is taking their money, but why they consider giving it to her a good investment in the first place. Clearly if she was a progressive, they'd stay away from her like the plague, yet they keep giving it, and she keeps taking it.

If she's making promises to the relatively powerless American people as well as to the big money donors and it comes time to show some results, any fool can figure out which side she's going to come up on.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. Yep
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:47 AM
Oct 2015

And they are stupid and naive enough to think that once she gets in office she'll suddenly give up the corporate money that she takes. It will be the same excuse. The other side has it so we have to do it too. If she were to get elected the first thing she would do is start to line her treasure chest with money for reelection.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
3. If Bernie wins, they will no longer be able to use the excuse "You can't win without
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:22 PM
Oct 2015

super PACs and corporate money." Yet another reason to vote for Bernie.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
7. and yet another reason to donate to Bernie Sanders as well.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

i love that feeling I get, every time I do.

It's like hoisting my middle-finger at Citizens United's arrogant and
over-reaching attempt at subversion of US Democracy.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. You're right they should ask that but it's so easy to answer.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:25 PM
Oct 2015

I need all these billionaires and corporations because I wish the system was different but this is the only way to win.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. HRC is beholden to those billionaires that give her money. They don't care about
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:28 AM
Oct 2015

the 16,000,000 American children living in poverty. Why would anyone think that HRC, after using their money to win, would do anything that wouldn't make them happy? It's called quid pro quo.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
19. Some of this seems like the republicans inability to see the changes in American culture, Sanders...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:39 AM
Oct 2015

... isn't see the effects of Citizens United and GOP Gerrymandering in the house.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
12. Oh no, they can't do that...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:20 AM
Oct 2015

That might cause people to start thinking, and a thinking person is a dangerous person. To the 1%.

cstanleytech

(26,276 posts)
13. Small point, this is not a debate for the Progressive party nor is this the Progressive Underground.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:33 AM
Oct 2015

This is going to be a debate for the Democratic party candidates and this is the Democratic Underground.
So yes some of the Democratic candidates are going to be willing take money corporate sponsors and thats ok but I want caps on the amount as well requiring full disclosure over the amount they donate plus cutoff times like say a month for them to donate before voting takes place so as not to have undue influence also anonymous PACs need to go byebye.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
14. All the candidates can say
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:37 AM
Oct 2015

"My campaign committee received NO money from corporations."

It's illegal for a corporation to donate to a campaign committee.

Their campaign committees can get money from corporate executives, corporate lobbyists, and corporate PACs.

Their Super PACs can get money from corporations themselves. Super PACs are theoretically independent. In practice, Super PACs aren't independent.

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