2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe stupidity of the Sanders campaign: No One is Registering Voters at Sanders' Rallies
Tad Devine is Bernie Sanders' longtime strategist. He actually had the nerve to complain that the DNC was not registering voters at Sanders rallies.
The rationale of the Sanders campaign is that it can win by appealing to disaffected voters and expanding the electorate. Devine said he told the Democratic National Committee they should set up a table and register voters at Sanders rallies. Were trying to get them in the door here. It would be smart for the Democratic Party to take advantage of the Sanders phenomenon. If you go to a Sanders rally now, theres a good chance youll vote for a Democrat in 2016.
So far, the DNC hasnt taken him up on the idea. I think theyre afraid theyll all vote for Bernie, he says, chuckling.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/bernie-sanders-s-strategist-this-is-how-we-win.html
It is a basic function of campaigns to register their supporters to vote. Where better to find supporters than a rally for your candidate?
Hillary's campaign had a rally here South Florida earlier this month and there were people with clipboards walking around registering voters.
So, why isn't Sanders' campaign doing the same? Incompetence? Losing on purpose?
I really feel bad for the people who donated to Sanders' campaign thinking that their money wasn't going to be flushed down the toilet by people like Tad Devine.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I was kinda shocked to learn this wasn't happening.
What a missed opportunity.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Your post simply says the DNC isn't doing it.
As phony smears go, this one is rather sad.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)Sanders rallies?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Seems easy enough to figure out, if one tries.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)In other words, the DNC is doing something really stupid. They should stop doing stupid things and hoping really hard that the campaigns make up for their stupidity.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)It isn't up to the DNC. Local people do registration drives. Then turn the applications to their county registrar of voters
I don't get blaming the DNC all the time.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's a very large crowd of very excited people. Some of them are not registered.
If you let the Sanders campaign register these voters, their only connection to the election is Sanders. If you are correct and Sanders loses the primary, that connection is gone.
The DNC needs these voters to show up no matter who is on the ballot, and keep showing up after 2016. In other words, the DNC needs its own connection to these "marginally attached voters". The easiest, simplest and least-effort way to start building that connection is to get in front of these people and help them register.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Sounds like it would be expensive.
Usually winning campaigns pay to train local volunteers to register voters but if you want to nationalize it, there would have to be a way to pay for it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Let's say you are correct and Sanders loses the primary.
The only connection these voters have to the general election was Sanders. And he's not on the ballot anymore. Poof! Connection gone.
The DNC needs these "marginally attached voters" to show up in 2016 no matter what. And for every election after that. And for every down-ticket race.
In other words, the DNC needs its own connection to these voters, so that they are excited Democrats, not only excited Sanders supporters.
The cheapest, easiest, and simplest way to start that is to get in front of them and help them register.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)This one is right up there with "His net worth isn't high enough!1"
zazen
(2,978 posts)Sanders' has been overwhelmed by massive crowds and is operating with an overwhelmingly volunteer online staff in addition to his paid staffers.
Since he's got comparatively fewer resources because he's rejecting Wall Street and PAC money and record numbers of attendees, why is it on him to go this extra mile for the DNC? He's rejecting this money because he's working to reform our campaign finance system. We all want to reform it and get finance out of our electoral process, right?
Seems like the DNC could loan some staff to go to these massive events and help with voter registration.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)That is just to get thru those two little states?
Boy are we fucked
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)was doing at this point--but the Obama campaign did know to register voters at their rallies.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The Sanders people have tables at several local functions and there's always a clipboard for people who have not registered and the volunteers ask if people have registered.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really didn't think they were that far out of it in the Sanders camp. It would truly show outright incompetence if he didn't have that set up at his events. Incompetent isn't something I view Sanders as.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Especially since the DNC effort would only be about registering voters, and not as a side-effect of the campaign.
The DNC has a great opportunity here, and they're leaving it up to the campaigns to fill in the hole left by the DNC. How 'bout the DNC not leave it up to the campaigns to fill the hole?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Lets see the DNC show up to register voters at a Sanders event. This place would be up in arms. "The Hillary wing of the party is poaching Sanders supporters." That is all we would hear. This is becoming hilarious.
Do you think the Sanders campaign is competent enough to register voters at his own events?
If you answer yes to that, why do you feel additional resources should be used to do something so simple?
In conclusion, voter registration is being done and you are upset that voter registration is not being done. This is getting better every day. The need to stay outraged has left some unhinged.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yes, the one group that is busting it's ass about registration and registration deadlines is totally against registration.
Yes. But leaving it up to the campaign produces excited Sanders supporters, and that's it.
The DNC could be working on turning these people into excited Democrats instead of leaving them tied to one candidate - Who you think will disappear in a couple months, taking the excitement with him.
Because there will be elections beyond the 2016 primary. The DNC needs these people to be excited about being Democrats so that they keep voting. And a registration drive is one very small, very easy step down that path.
A step the DNC won't bother taking.
Golly, I wonder why all these voters aren't excited about all Democrats....
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)How could the DNC register more people to vote than the/a candidate's campaign staff?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The campaign staff would still be registering people. The DNC adding more people who only register people would mean more registrations.
But the DNC has a broader and longer-term goal that doesn't match any candidate's goal - the candidates need voters for their election, right now. The DNC needs voters for all elections, from now until the end of time.
Giant excited crowd, some not yet registered. If everyone who dislikes Sanders is correct and he doesn't win the primary, the connection between those voters and the general election is gone. The DNC should be working to build its own connection so that those "marginally attached voters" come back no matter who's on the ballot, and come back after 2016.
And the first, smallest, and incredibly easy step is to try and get in front of these people to register them.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Isn't this really about freeing up campaign staff to do other campaign stuff?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)questionseverything
(9,651 posts)i would think the dnc would understand some from that huge number might slip thru the cracks
more registered dems would be a good thing and i would say that no matter which campaign was drawing those crowds
no problem tho..we will keep doing it ourselves
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Because he can't be that stupid and uninformed.
But a lot of low-information Sanders supporters here are taking the bait. Curiouser and curiouser.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)sly and disingenuous throughout his career, right?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"devious", "sly" or "disingenuous"; but rather, not terribly effective, as a Senior Advisor. (See 2000/2004)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)though I wouldn't refer to folks as "low-information" ... I think those "taking the bait" because it feeds the "the DNC is rigging the process" narrative.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Because not only should they know that the DNC does not, and never has, sent people to candidates' rallies to register voters (it would be crazy to think they could do that with 50 differing state laws)they don't even get it after at least 30 different posters have explained it to them.
When conspiracy is preferred to facts, that's about as low-information as you can get.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Most will be here today, and gone tomorrow. A small percentage will stick around. We need to be somewhat patient with their complete lack of knowledge with respect to politics. Right now many of them simply like the economic justice message and that is a great thing and very important for our party. That is really all many of them know politically. Don't fault them for their ignorance in all other areas of politics. They are simply new to the game.
It is hard not to laugh at people who think Sanders has no responsibility to register his own supporters. It really is kind of funny. But Sanders is new to this as well. Just like his enormous stump change after mistakes out of the gate, he will change here as well. It just takes us who have been doing this for a little longer to remind them of how it goes.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's very easy to laugh at people as myopic as yourself.
There's large masses of very excited people. The DNC could use that to make those people excited Democrats instead of excited Sanders supporters.
There's a fantastic opportunity for the DNC here, and they're leaving it up to the campaigns to fill in the gap. That's really dumb and short-sighted.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Any time I make people smile or laugh it is a good day. I would never let my ego to get too big to not enjoy others smiles. Extremely happy I could make you laugh.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You can smell the desperation. They are frightened as hell Hillary is going to screw up during the debate tonight, and I agree with them - she will.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)registering voters at Sanders rallies. He worked for the Kerry and Gore presidential campaigns,there is no way he can have that kind of experience and not know that campaigns are responsible for registering their supporters and if he honestly doesn't know that,Sanders supporters should be very worried.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The original op brought over from another site was simply hilarious to read. Fact is, some of these new people will stay around. That is a good thing.
The exact posters trying to make this something are the same people who would yell "the DNC is showing up at Sanders events to poach supporters for Hillary." It's just becoming funny at this point.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)"Ah, the scent of desperation."
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The DNC has an entire initiative for registering voters. It is called the "Voter Expansion Project".
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)voters at Primary campaign rallies? The fact that so many DUers are ignorant about how primary campaigns work isn't "proof" that Sanders isn't getting something that candidates have gotten in the past. This is a stupid faux outrage perpetuated by Bernie's campaign manager who no doubt knows better.
The Voter Expansion Project is designed to fight the GOPs attempt to dismantle the Voting Rights Act in red states.It aims to protect voters in general elections and has zilch to do with primaries.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"We are very committed to making sure that we invest and work with our state parties on putting boots on the ground, on focusing on voter expansion... and making sure that everyone who wants to vote and is eligible has an opportunity to register, has an opportunity to turnout and can have their vote accurately counted," said Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chairwoman.
"Our goal is to reach people where they live, where they eat, where they play and where they pray," in order to significantly increase the typically low voter turnout rates of midterm elections, said Donna Brazile, the DNC vice chair and a prominent Democratic political strategist.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/02/27/283550311/clintons-provide-firepower-behind-dnc-voter-expansion-project
The DNC's Voting Rights Institute focuses more on the protection and expansion of voting rights.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)in states where republicans are attempting to put up roadblocks,hence the focus on eligibility.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And is nowhere asserted on their website.
Voting is one of the most fundamental rights in our democracy. That's why we launched the Voter Expansion Project. Were leading the charge to expand the vote, because it's not enough anymore for us to simply protect against voting restrictions.
http://www.democrats.org/voter-expansion-project
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)locally,the DNC does not register voters.The DNC is a national organization that serves as a hub for local democrats,it's focus is on expanding and protecting voters rights,local democratic organizations GOTV and register voters along with outside groups with no party affiliation.The DNC certainly does not get involved in primary efforts and never has.I'm done trying to convince those who don't want to be convinced now.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)because of Bernie Sanders.
You said:
Most will be here today, and gone tomorrow. A small percentage will stick around. We need to be somewhat patient with their complete lack of knowledge with respect to politics. Right now many of them simply like the economic justice message and that is a great thing and very important for our party. That is really all many of them know politically. Don't fault them for their ignorance in all other areas of politics. They are simply new to the game.
It is hard not to laugh at people who think Sanders has no responsibility to register his own supporters. It really is kind of funny. But Sanders is new to this as well. Just like his enormous stump change after mistakes out of the gate, he will change here as well. It just takes us who have been doing this for a little longer to remind them of how it goes.
Volunteers DO register voters at his campaign rallies.
Used to be the party itself wanted every opportunity to build its voter base. Doesn't seem that way anymore. Seems more like a let's keep the new folks out type of thing.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bernie volunteers are registering voters.
So save your pity.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"We are very committed to making sure that we invest and work with our state parties on putting boots on the ground, on focusing on voter expansion... and making sure that everyone who wants to vote and is eligible has an opportunity to register, has an opportunity to turnout and can have their vote accurately counted," said Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chairwoman.
"Our goal is to reach people where they live, where they eat, where they play and where they pray," in order to significantly increase the typically low voter turnout rates of midterm elections, said Donna Brazile, the DNC vice chair and a prominent Democratic political strategist.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/democrats-unveil-new-software-voter-registration#52538
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Looks like another tactic to cockblock Bernie - she'd rather have the Dems lose the general election than let Bernie have the Democratic nomination.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)at Primary campaign events,ever. Thanks.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)state levels was key to Dean's 50 State Strategy. DNC field offices were opened in many states to give guidance to regional Democratic offices. Lots of money was spent and lots of money was provided.
Howard Dean became chair of the DNC in 2005, prior to the 2008 campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean#50-state_strategy
Bernie is drawing huge crowds in red states. The DNC is stupid for not taking advantage.
The 50-state strategy was acknowledged by political commentators as an important factor in allowing Barack Obama to compete against John McCain in traditionally red states, during the 2008 presidential contest.[61][62] In 2008, Obama won several states that had previously been considered Republican strongholds, most notably Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia.
http://www.salon.com/2006/11/10/dean_dems/
BooScout
(10,406 posts)That a Senior Adviser to BS is this ignorant of campaign strategy regarding voter registration.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)She's the one who paid Mark Penn millions in 2008, yet didn't have the basic understanding of how delegates were awarded proportionally.