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riversedge

(70,182 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:33 PM Oct 2015

This new poll is precisely what Hillary wants to see today--Sanders losing in major demographics



This new poll is precisely what Hillary Clinton wants to see today

By Philip Bump October 13 at 12:56 PM


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/fox-newss-new-poll-is-precisely-what-hillary-clinton-wants-to-see-today/


Article starts off a bit snarky --first few sentences about the results: Clinton 45, Sanders 25, Biden 19


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


...........Without Biden, she jumps up to 54 percent in the Fox polls, while Sanders only goes to 28. .............


But I think his main point is here:

.............. But it also offers other reasons that her campaign might feel better about its long-term prognosis.

If you compare Fox's late-September poll to this one, Clinton saw some slight gains with certain demographics -- and Sanders saw some big drops. Bearing in mind the larger margins of error here, here's the change by demographic group since September.
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https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484



Sanders is down five points overall. He's down 12 points with people under the age of 45 and down nine points with men. He's down 13 points with people who make more than $50,000 in income -- while Clinton gained 13 points with those who have a college degree.................
................And for October 2015, big drops with the college-educated and wealthy are the sort of storm clouds Sanders was hoping wouldn't appear.
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This new poll is precisely what Hillary wants to see today--Sanders losing in major demographics (Original Post) riversedge Oct 2015 OP
I expected a Hillary bump after the Benghazi committee revelations. Vinca Oct 2015 #1
This falls in line with ABC poll today and the few recent ones FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #2
Can't wait until the next batch to show her rising even more! BooScout Oct 2015 #3
look at page 4 questionseverything Oct 2015 #4
Read wrong Godhumor Oct 2015 #6
i see now page 6 has the break down 40% r,35%-d questionseverything Oct 2015 #9
Primaries, the candidates are set. Not the GE Godhumor Oct 2015 #10
Hillary is electable thesquanderer Oct 2015 #7
I believe Biden will fall further back if he isn't doing this debate.... Historic NY Oct 2015 #5
Biden will watch it on TV at home per msnbc. riversedge Oct 2015 #8
All these polls will be meaningless in about 5 hours ram2008 Oct 2015 #11
Thank you for the link./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #12
None of these changes are remotely close to being statistically significant jfern Oct 2015 #13

Vinca

(50,255 posts)
1. I expected a Hillary bump after the Benghazi committee revelations.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015

She always goes up in the polls when she gets sympathy. Think New Hampshire primary 2008. It's amazing what a few tears will do.

FloridaBlues

(4,007 posts)
2. This falls in line with ABC poll today and the few recent ones
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

She's gaining g and Bernie has flattened.
Good for her!!!

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
4. look at page 4
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:55 PM
Oct 2015

hc loses to all the repubs...and if i am reading this correctly,79% of those polled self identify as democrats(page 2) so that is bad news

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

this poll confirms my theory that she is unelectable but i would not put it past fox to pull some shenanigans

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
6. Read wrong
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:08 PM
Oct 2015

79% Democratic is for primary vote only. GE is for all registered voters, which includes all the Republicans from their primary sample.

And honestly, looking at GE projections a year out before candidates are decided is silly. People get euphoric for the unknown candidates before falling back to earth as races are decided.

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
9. i see now page 6 has the break down 40% r,35%-d
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015

so it isnt surprising the repubs beat her,altho carson beating her by 11 points is a bad sign

all polls are silly so i don't think looking at ge polls is any sillier than looking at primary polls before the first debate

<shrugs>

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
10. Primaries, the candidates are set. Not the GE
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Oct 2015

Carson is the flavor of the month, as is Biden, so his numbers are much higher than they would be in an actual GE contest. As people learn more about candidates, benefit of the doubt tends to dissipate.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
7. Hillary is electable
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

Even if there are some polls showing her losing to some Republican nationally, we don't elect a President by popular vote (as Al Gore could tell you), it's all about the electoral college. When you look at the blue vs red states, Dems start with such a huge advantage that it will be nearly impossible for either Hillary or Bernie to lose to a Republican in 2016.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
5. I believe Biden will fall further back if he isn't doing this debate....
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:57 PM
Oct 2015

his time has come. Most of the mechanics are coming from a super pac that contributes to Hillary too. Next one is Nov. 14th in Iowa.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
11. All these polls will be meaningless in about 5 hours
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

Seriously. The debate will probably change these numbers, for good or bad, for each candidate. They changed the numbers on the Republican side, so we'll have to see what happens on our side.

If Bernie doesn't break through after the debates, then there's a problem, but as of now it appears the polling has stabilized as it did in 07.

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