2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis new poll is precisely what Hillary wants to see today--Sanders losing in major demographics
This new poll is precisely what Hillary Clinton wants to see today
By Philip Bump October 13 at 12:56 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/fox-newss-new-poll-is-precisely-what-hillary-clinton-wants-to-see-today/
Article starts off a bit snarky --first few sentences about the results: Clinton 45, Sanders 25, Biden 19
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
...........Without Biden, she jumps up to 54 percent in the Fox polls, while Sanders only goes to 28. .............
But I think his main point is here:
.............. But it also offers other reasons that her campaign might feel better about its long-term prognosis.
If you compare Fox's late-September poll to this one, Clinton saw some slight gains with certain demographics -- and Sanders saw some big drops. Bearing in mind the larger margins of error here, here's the change by demographic group since September......................
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
Sanders is down five points overall. He's down 12 points with people under the age of 45 and down nine points with men. He's down 13 points with people who make more than $50,000 in income -- while Clinton gained 13 points with those who have a college degree.................
................And for October 2015, big drops with the college-educated and wealthy are the sort of storm clouds Sanders was hoping wouldn't appear.
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Vinca
(50,255 posts)She always goes up in the polls when she gets sympathy. Think New Hampshire primary 2008. It's amazing what a few tears will do.
FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)She's gaining g and Bernie has flattened.
Good for her!!!
BooScout
(10,406 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)hc loses to all the repubs...and if i am reading this correctly,79% of those polled self identify as democrats(page 2) so that is bad news
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
this poll confirms my theory that she is unelectable but i would not put it past fox to pull some shenanigans
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)79% Democratic is for primary vote only. GE is for all registered voters, which includes all the Republicans from their primary sample.
And honestly, looking at GE projections a year out before candidates are decided is silly. People get euphoric for the unknown candidates before falling back to earth as races are decided.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)so it isnt surprising the repubs beat her,altho carson beating her by 11 points is a bad sign
all polls are silly so i don't think looking at ge polls is any sillier than looking at primary polls before the first debate
<shrugs>
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Carson is the flavor of the month, as is Biden, so his numbers are much higher than they would be in an actual GE contest. As people learn more about candidates, benefit of the doubt tends to dissipate.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)Even if there are some polls showing her losing to some Republican nationally, we don't elect a President by popular vote (as Al Gore could tell you), it's all about the electoral college. When you look at the blue vs red states, Dems start with such a huge advantage that it will be nearly impossible for either Hillary or Bernie to lose to a Republican in 2016.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)his time has come. Most of the mechanics are coming from a super pac that contributes to Hillary too. Next one is Nov. 14th in Iowa.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)Seriously. The debate will probably change these numbers, for good or bad, for each candidate. They changed the numbers on the Republican side, so we'll have to see what happens on our side.
If Bernie doesn't break through after the debates, then there's a problem, but as of now it appears the polling has stabilized as it did in 07.