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Why Bernie Sanders is going to be President, in two words (Original Post) darkangel218 Oct 2015 OP
This graphic seems like a right wing parody of Bernie Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #1
Sorry we kick ass!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #2
You are not fooling anyone. mhatrw Oct 2015 #62
A quick Google found this 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #69
good catch! Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #73
I don't care what RW parties are using this meme to discredit Bernie darkangel218 Oct 2015 #99
Isn't posting material from rightwing internet sites some sort of DU violation? George II Oct 2015 #169
^^^^^^^Here is the RW source of the OP's anti-Sanders graphic^^^^^^^^^^ FSogol Oct 2015 #100
You attacked me without any credit for, earlier, saying I was calling you darkangel218 Oct 2015 #102
Is it that hard to admit that the graphic is anti-Bernie and substitue a pro-Bernie one? FSogol Oct 2015 #104
It's not a RW graphic, I took it off DU, its been posted here before. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #105
Haven't I already responded to that 2 or 3 times? Why not delete your attacks on my gender? FSogol Oct 2015 #107
Delete your personal attacks against me!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #108
Through the years? FSogol Oct 2015 #109
Since '13 darkangel218 Oct 2015 #112
I've never attacked you, except you consider disagreeing with you to be an attack. FSogol Oct 2015 #113
Go DU search it if you forgot. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #118
So, you got nothing, right? FSogol Oct 2015 #119
You started the meta shit. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #121
I did explain it in post 95 which you responded to. FSogol Oct 2015 #124
You had no gender specified in your profile years ago, and I apologized darkangel218 Oct 2015 #129
I've always had a gender listed. You really don't read what people write. I'll explain it again: FSogol Oct 2015 #134
No you have not. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #150
As long as DU had genders, mine has been listed. You obviously don't look at FSogol Oct 2015 #170
I look at profiles ALL the time. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #174
No. Only Republicans seek to trivialise righteous indignation, and Joe Chi Minh Oct 2015 #154
It is, isn't it! Bernie will make an awesome President! peacebird Oct 2015 #46
Yes....telling the electorate that you want to subsidize poverty is brilliant. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #47
Because the electorate is consistently told.... daleanime Oct 2015 #101
The electorate is also consistently told... WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #131
That too..... daleanime Oct 2015 #136
I do want to subsidize poverty. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #133
"Trust Me - It's gonna be awesome" sounds like another candidate from the other side Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #50
Yep. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #57
12 suckers have already rec'd this post Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #60
12 Sanders' haters and people who don't read carefully. nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #65
Sanders haters??? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #142
It's a right wing meme that uses language meant to slur, not support. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2015 #152
The truth is not a "meme" darkangel218 Oct 2015 #156
That's all good but let's not post right-wing memes meant to slur those things. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #165
Do you have a problem with the truth?? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #167
No problem with the truth. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #173
Subsidize Stupidity Next! FSogol Oct 2015 #89
"Subsidize Stupidity Next!" darkangel218 Oct 2015 #161
Sad, really. FSogol Oct 2015 #171
"Subsidize poverty"? 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #3
Welcome to DU! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #4
I've been here since 2001, and I've actually met 2 of them in person 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #6
Then you should answer your own question. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #7
Bernie wants to "subsidize poverty"? 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #12
Why don't you tell us what it means to you? And if you agree with rhett o rick Oct 2015 #11
Why don't you tell us what you think subsidizing means? 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #14
I agree the wording is sloppy. But you seem to want to discuss wording rather than the rhett o rick Oct 2015 #18
That Bernie is awesome? No I do not. 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #22
How about the idea of taxing wealth to eliminate poverty? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #31
I'm all for that 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #38
I don't. Sanders doesn't want to subsidize poverty. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #23
Distract, distract, distract. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #28
Exactly. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #34
Clearing up a dishonest statement about Sanders.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #39
You are using the sloppy wording to distract from the obvious message. A message that you obviously rhett o rick Oct 2015 #48
The 'sloppy wording' comes from a Sanders-hater, if you'd care to look at the link upthread. randome Oct 2015 #80
This thread... Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #168
Sanders does want to increase taxes on the rich and decrease taxes on the poor darkangel218 Oct 2015 #30
They don't want to eliminate poverty at the expense of the wealthy. HRC will help maintain the rhett o rick Oct 2015 #40
Your statement here is one hundred percent correct. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #41
See post 16. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #21
And he does so articulately 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #26
Raising the minumum wage is not taxing the rich, going after wall street, or subsidizing poverty. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #27
Finally, its is a Living Wage and Minumum Wage that Sanders is campaigning for not subsidy! DhhD Oct 2015 #147
Some people presume if your profile doesn't reflect a "proper attendance" that you're a nobody. Bubzer Oct 2015 #143
I had the same reaction Brainstormy Oct 2015 #5
Subsidies are used to encourage something. philly_bob Oct 2015 #9
I agree the language is sloppy but we know the intent. I understand the condescention. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #15
It is not my responsibility to help the Sanders campaign hone it's message 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #29
I see. Lol darkangel218 Oct 2015 #32
I feel like I've crossed into bizarro-land. cheapdate Oct 2015 #90
That's just what the conspiracy makers WANT you to believe!!! randome Oct 2015 #93
We subsidize things , to help the poor , before we eliminate poverty!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #94
Subsidizing poverty is what we are half ass doing today. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #8
No. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #16
"And Increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour, to fight poverty" NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20
By taxing the super wealthy we can achieve that darkangel218 Oct 2015 #25
By taxing the wealthy we can achieve subsidizing poverty. lol. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #33
Eliminate it, yes. You have to subsidize it FIRST!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #36
You only subsidize things you want to keep, not things you want to eliminate 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #42
Trying to work around your attempts at distraction, I'm guessing you don't agree with taxing rhett o rick Oct 2015 #37
Second time you have said I am distracting by saying Sanders wants to eliminate poverty. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #45
So you agree with Sen Sanders' desire to eliminate poverty by taxing the wealthy? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #51
Good point, damn good! pinebox Oct 2015 #67
Then the message is "Tax the wealthy and invest it in the people." cheapdate Oct 2015 #103
Oh good grief... ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #10
Jealous much?? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #17
Of what? ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #49
Read what you wrote. n/t darkangel218 Oct 2015 #177
Let me guess your point. Since it bothers you that Sen Sanders wants to tax wealth to rhett o rick Oct 2015 #24
LOL ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #52
"because if you wish hard enough, it will come true" Sheepshank Oct 2015 #13
The truth is not a "wish". darkangel218 Oct 2015 #19
What will subsidizing property look like? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #35
Sen Sanders wants to eliminate poverty, while Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires don't give a crap. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #53
How can you not see that this is a RW "parody" meme? mhatrw Oct 2015 #56
Seriously? FSogol Oct 2015 #63
That was not my question. What will this look like? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #59
Subsidize poverty? I'm guessing this is a RW graphic intended to bash about Sanders and that FSogol Oct 2015 #43
Is that what you understand from it??? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #68
She? It is strange a Sanders supporter would promote what is obviously a RW hit graphic on Sanders. FSogol Oct 2015 #74
Are you calling me or Sanders "RW"?? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #148
Wouldn't "eliminate poverty" be a better goal? Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #44
You can't "eliminate" poverty without HELPING the poor first!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #55
are you serious? Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #58
It's not a RW meme. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #66
Try this - post it in the Bernie Sanders Group and see how his real supporters feel about it Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #106
+1 n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #110
Totally hopeless. Sometimes you just gotta laugh. FSogol Oct 2015 #79
Yes, like to your false accusations. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #120
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #54
There is nothing wrong with subsidizing poverty darkangel218 Oct 2015 #61
Please learn what subsidize means. It is 180 degrees from Sander's message. n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #70
Uh huh!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #72
Why do you keep calling me ma'am? FSogol Oct 2015 #78
I only called you once that. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #85
You also refered to me a "she.' Why? FSogol Oct 2015 #87
Please provide proof as I have called you Ma'am before darkangel218 Oct 2015 #92
She and ma'am are both female terms. Since I am male, I asked to why you refereed to me as FSogol Oct 2015 #95
I thought you were a female, my bad. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #96
The dictionary isn't "Hillary propaganda" FSogol Oct 2015 #97
Thanks. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #98
Poverty is bad. Sanders wants to win the War on Poverty. mhatrw Oct 2015 #75
I am not doing what you're accusing me of. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #83
This one is perhaps better pinebox Oct 2015 #64
Subsidize the poor, wendylaroux Oct 2015 #71
Both!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #76
Are you related to Lazlo Toth? nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #77
DUzy! FSogol Oct 2015 #82
To you, maybe. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #86
I have read about this, wendylaroux Oct 2015 #81
How will he subsidize property? Can you please explain this? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #84
Right...I just posted something about that...that is the wrong motto Perseus Oct 2015 #125
Well i don't agree with eliminating it but definitely not subsidizing. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #126
I thought this was some kind of sarcastic post. Ino Oct 2015 #88
Why is it silly?? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #91
Trust and Honesty SoapBox Oct 2015 #111
+1 darkangel218 Oct 2015 #114
Good luck selling that to the majority of voters in the USA! Will never happen. Go Hillary! beaglelover Oct 2015 #115
Lmao!!! Go Hillary .. To nowhere lol. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #116
When are you coming back to DI?? We miss you. beaglelover Oct 2015 #127
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #117
They're desperate tonite. Nt darkangel218 Oct 2015 #122
"Subsidize Poverty"???? Perseus Oct 2015 #123
Wow, this is just....sad. zappaman Oct 2015 #128
31 recs and gowing. FSogol Oct 2015 #130
With "supporters" like these? zappaman Oct 2015 #137
HE'S ETHICAL!!!!!!!!!! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #132
^***This!***^ SoapBox Oct 2015 #145
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #135
Gosh, angel, even I don't cite the NRA, then play bull-in-the-ring with it. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #138
Good luck to you, if that's what you think the quote means . darkangel218 Oct 2015 #140
Sad is right. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #146
This thread is hilarious. Brickbat Oct 2015 #139
Bernie is actually quite serious about helping the poor. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #141
That's not what I find hilarious. Brickbat Oct 2015 #144
If the OP is meant to deride the Sanders campaign, well, it's free speech Babel_17 Oct 2015 #149
It's not disruptive. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #151
OK. I edited my post above before seeing your reply. Babel_17 Oct 2015 #155
Same here! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #157
He is awesome and nothing can change that, though they're trying really hard! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #153
And failing miserably! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #158
...because he pisses off right wing barglemonkeys with a basic knowledge of photoshop? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #159
I just googled barglemonkey.... LOL n/t humbled_opinion Oct 2015 #166
I wonder if he will say he wants to "subsidize poverty" at the debate tonight? zappaman Oct 2015 #160
The truth. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #162
Is the truth that he wants to "subsidize poverty"? zappaman Oct 2015 #163
LOL. FSogol Oct 2015 #172
I don't know anybody that is humbled_opinion Oct 2015 #164
another classic! Kali Oct 2015 #175
No smile? McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #176
You forgot the sarcasm tag. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #178
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. This graphic seems like a right wing parody of Bernie
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:50 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:10 PM - Edit history (2)

It's actually an attack against Bernie which was picked up from a right wing website.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=672129

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
62. You are not fooling anyone.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

The image is RW "parody" of Sanders' stance against wealth inequality and your OTT championing of the image is not fooling anyone with two working brain cells to rub together.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
99. I don't care what RW parties are using this meme to discredit Bernie
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

The truth stands, that we must help the poor before we eliminate poverty!!!!! It's fucking common sense!

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
102. You attacked me without any credit for, earlier, saying I was calling you
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Oct 2015

Ma'am in the past. I have not. You are trying to discredit my OP now, by tying it to RW sites.

Shame on you.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
104. Is it that hard to admit that the graphic is anti-Bernie and substitue a pro-Bernie one?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:32 PM
Oct 2015

The graphic came from a RW wing site. It doesn't agree with Sanders thoughts on poverty.
I have not attacked you, but you are mistaken about the word subsidize. Your graphic bashes Sanders, a candidate you claim to support. Don't you see the problem with it?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
105. It's not a RW graphic, I took it off DU, its been posted here before.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

And what about your personal attack???give proof i have called you "Ma'am" before, or delete your post accusing me I have said that in the past!!!

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
108. Delete your personal attacks against me!!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

I haven't talked to you I years, and your profile never said your gender back then. You have been on ignore until the a few months back when I took everyone off.

Maybe you should mention your gender in your profile if you want others notbto guess!!!

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
113. I've never attacked you, except you consider disagreeing with you to be an attack.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015


Post all my "attacks."
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
118. Go DU search it if you forgot.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

I had nothing but nasty posts from you , hence you were on ignore.

Now post proof I have called you Ma'am before. I have not.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
129. You had no gender specified in your profile years ago, and I apologized
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

if I ever refered to you in a wrong gender. I remember clearly though, I have never called you Ma'am before, so you should retract that.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
134. I've always had a gender listed. You really don't read what people write. I'll explain it again:
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

You called me "she" once and "ma'am" once. That is two times using the wrong gender. 1 time (she) + 1 time (ma'am) is 2 times calling me the wrong gender. That's why I said twice.

1+1 = 2. You apologized in this thread and I accepted that apology.

You keep calling me out for supposed attacks which never happened. Will you apologize?

You also posted an anti-Bernie graphic. If you are really a Sanders supporter you should change the graphic.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
150. No you have not.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

Summon Skinner to vouch for that. I always look at posters profiles before addressing them.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
170. As long as DU had genders, mine has been listed. You obviously don't look at
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

profiles first because you got my wrong twice.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
154. No. Only Republicans seek to trivialise righteous indignation, and
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Oct 2015

you seem to have been suckered as dark angel said.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
101. Because the electorate is consistently told....
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:26 PM
Oct 2015

to not care about the poor? And we should let that go unchallenged?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
133. I do want to subsidize poverty.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

Because the poor are making the rich wealthy.

and the rich get wealthy thanks to subsidies especially for gas and oil.

So I do want to "subsidize" that is share some of our wealth with the poor.

I'm all for that.

Conservatives think that helping (or subsidizing if you will) the poor is a bad thing. They think it makes people lazy.

Well I think that too much wealth makes people wealthy.

I'm for helping the poor.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
50. "Trust Me - It's gonna be awesome" sounds like another candidate from the other side
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:42 PM
Oct 2015

I think some here are being fooled by a RW meme. read it again. closely.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
156. The truth is not a "meme"
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

We need to help the poor, before they help themselves.

Rich assholes and wall Streeters hate it, obviously.

Sanders is only speaking the truth. We need to help our own people first and foremost.

Subsiding them, means only helping them until they can help themselves. And it has nada to do with the joke welfare system present today.

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
165. That's all good but let's not post right-wing memes meant to slur those things.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:11 PM
Oct 2015

Let's especially not send such slurs to the greatest page.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
167. Do you have a problem with the truth??
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

RWs can make any meme anytime. This is not one of them .

Do you not support "subsidising the poor"?? Till they get back on their feet??? I'm trying to understand what is the problem.

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
173. No problem with the truth.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

The presentation in a way that makes the truth look like a lie is what I have a problem with.

If you can't see how the phrasing spins it negatively, there is really nothing further I can add.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
6. I've been here since 2001, and I've actually met 2 of them in person
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

But thanks for the only slightly condescending welcome.



(And no, I didn't change my name because I was banned or some such nonsense. I had an unrelated privacy issue)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
7. Then you should answer your own question.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie's goals have been vastly discussed here for quite a while now.

Welcome back!

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
14. Why don't you tell us what you think subsidizing means?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:21 PM
Oct 2015

To subsidize something is to support it's continuation.


Subsidize affordable housing? Yes.

Subsidize fuel assistance? Yes

Subsidize transportation infrastructure? Yes.

Subsidize poverty? Uh, no thanks. I'd rather do away with it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I agree the wording is sloppy. But you seem to want to discuss wording rather than the
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:23 PM
Oct 2015

intent. Do you agree with the intent of the OP?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. I don't. Sanders doesn't want to subsidize poverty.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

The intent of the op is patently false with respect to Sanders beliefs. He isn't a trickle downer. He wants to end poverty.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. Clearing up a dishonest statement about Sanders....
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

and saying he wants to eliminate poverty is a distraction? This place keeps getting better and better. Someone brings a very poorly worded graphic here, I correct them and let them know that Sanders wants to eliminate poverty, not subsidize it; and you call it a distraction.

Have it your way. I will change my tune to agree with you. Sanders wants to continue to subsidize poverty in this country to ensure we have a whole group without a voice. I personally don't believe that but you seem to want to argue for exactly that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. You are using the sloppy wording to distract from the obvious message. A message that you obviously
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:41 PM
Oct 2015

disagree with. There are two sides to this class war and it looks like you aren't on the side that wants the wealth gap to be reduced. 16,000,000 American children live in poverty and another 16,000,000 live in low income homes. Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires are ok with that. Sen Sanders is not.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
80. The 'sloppy wording' comes from a Sanders-hater, if you'd care to look at the link upthread.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

'Subsidize poverty'. Good God.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
30. Sanders does want to increase taxes on the rich and decrease taxes on the poor
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:29 PM
Oct 2015

Facts are facts, no matter how much you twist them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
40. They don't want to eliminate poverty at the expense of the wealthy. HRC will help maintain the
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

status quo of the wealth gap growing even wider. I think those here that disparage Sen Sanders' message think the 1% were given their wealth by God to take care of the rest of us.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
41. Your statement here is one hundred percent correct.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

The graphic you brought here is patently false. As I have said, Sanders has brought a lot of new people into the process. They can even put graphics together. They should just understand a candidates position before they do. The graphic you brought here is patently false with respect to Sanders position.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Raising the minumum wage is not taxing the rich, going after wall street, or subsidizing poverty.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:28 PM
Oct 2015

Of all posts you could point to I wouldn't point to that one. lol.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
143. Some people presume if your profile doesn't reflect a "proper attendance" that you're a nobody.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:22 PM
Oct 2015

Your profile reads "Member since: Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:32 PM"... that's probably the reason for the reaction.

Kinda odd behavior for Dems if you ask me. We're supposed to be the inclusive group (trolls aside of course).

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
9. Subsidies are used to encourage something.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:16 PM
Oct 2015

The language is sloppy -- and the condescending welcome was unfriendly.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. I agree the language is sloppy but we know the intent. I understand the condescention.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

In lieu of the poster recommending better wording, asking the question appears to be aimed at disparaging the message.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
29. It is not my responsibility to help the Sanders campaign hone it's message
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:29 PM
Oct 2015

They ought to hire some professionals to help with that.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
90. I feel like I've crossed into bizarro-land.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

I have no idea what is genuine, what is parody, or what is intentionally subversive.

That meme screams parody. There is no other way that my brain can process it. It's almost like a parody of a parody -- that is, a DU parody of what a right-wing parody of Bernie Sanders might look like.

If the language was merely "sloppy", then they coincidentally nailed it, and by "nailed it" I mean they coincidentally captured in one word every right-wing or conservative's cartoonish conception of Bernie Sanders the "socialist".

We "subsidize" the things we want to encourage. There isn't any other way to use the word.

I'm truly stumped.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
93. That's just what the conspiracy makers WANT you to believe!!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:14 PM
Oct 2015

They are rife with triple and quadruple agents! Trust no one!!!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
94. We subsidize things , to help the poor , before we eliminate poverty!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

You are thinking in the current state of mind. Which is much different from what Bernie stands for.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. Subsidizing poverty is what we are half ass doing today.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:16 PM
Oct 2015

It is a failed proposition and not one Sanders believes in. Might want to change the graphic.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
16. No.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

Do you not believe that universal healthcare belongs to that??? And Increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour, to fight poverty?? We are going to subsidize it by taxing the rich what they deserve go be taxed, and giving a break to the working poor, so they may see a light on the end of the tunnel. We are not going to start unnecessary wars. We are not going to invest what we don't need in the military. We are going to invest it into OUR OWN PEOPLE!! A concept so strange to so many other presidential aspirants.

That, NC.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. "And Increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour, to fight poverty"
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:25 PM
Oct 2015

That is not subsidizing poverty. Subsidizing poverty is what we do today and Sanders doesn't support todays economy. He wants to eliminate poverty. Not sure why you are making his position sound like trickle down. It isn't and the graphic is very poorly worded at best. Really it's just flat out wrong.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
25. By taxing the super wealthy we can achieve that
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

We are not subsidizing poverty today. How much money does a family get in food stamps?? They most likely go to bed hungry, since that is not nearly enough! And don't even get me started on healthcare and housing!!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. By taxing the wealthy we can achieve subsidizing poverty. lol.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:30 PM
Oct 2015

I'm glad Sanders doesn't agree with that. He is a little ahead of the curve on that one and wants to eliminate poverty, not subsidize it.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
36. Eliminate it, yes. You have to subsidize it FIRST!!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

How the fuck is anyone going to get out of the hole without help first????

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
42. You only subsidize things you want to keep, not things you want to eliminate
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

Helping people out of poverty is, by no definition of the term "subsidizing poverty."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. Trying to work around your attempts at distraction, I'm guessing you don't agree with taxing
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

the wealthy and eliminating poverty. Goldman-Sachs would be a good choice for your candidate.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. Second time you have said I am distracting by saying Sanders wants to eliminate poverty.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
Oct 2015

Very strange. I guess we disagree. I think Sanders wants to eliminate poverty. You keep calling that a distraction. I think the poorly put together graphic showing Sanders in a dishonest light is the distraction.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
103. Then the message is "Tax the wealthy and invest it in the people."
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

Not "subsidize poverty". Holy cow!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. Let me guess your point. Since it bothers you that Sen Sanders wants to tax wealth to
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

eliminate poverty, and you are critical of the OP, do you believe in supply side economics?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
53. Sen Sanders wants to eliminate poverty, while Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires don't give a crap.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

Which side are you on?

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
43. Subsidize poverty? I'm guessing this is a RW graphic intended to bash about Sanders and that
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

the poster might have missed its true meaning.

It would be better to delete it than to argue that subsidizing poverty is something Sanders talks about.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
68. Is that what you understand from it???
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:54 PM
Oct 2015

Wow!!

Good luck to your candor in the debate, she's gonna need it!

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
74. She? It is strange a Sanders supporter would promote what is obviously a RW hit graphic on Sanders.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Oct 2015
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
148. Are you calling me or Sanders "RW"??
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

I'm trying to understand your repetitive attacks. I have already explained you that they are not RW meme. So are you called us RW?? Why are you repeating the same thing over and over again????

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
55. You can't "eliminate" poverty without HELPING the poor first!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:46 PM
Oct 2015

No one can do that. Right back at you re "WTF"!

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
58. are you serious?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:48 PM
Oct 2015

What was posted is a RW meme meant to criticize Sanders. Why can't you figure that out?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
66. It's not a RW meme.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
Oct 2015

Those who are seeing /imagining that first, before understanding that is WHAT WE NEED IN THIS COUNTRY, fail miserably!

Sorry I'm not worshipping Hillary.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
106. Try this - post it in the Bernie Sanders Group and see how his real supporters feel about it
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:36 PM
Oct 2015

I'm guessing they won't like it.

Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
61. There is nothing wrong with subsidizing poverty
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

So people can get a chance to get off the ground and shine again!! Go look at Bernie's agenda!!! You will find your answers.

And please refrain from unwarranted attacks. It's childish.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
85. I only called you once that.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

Out of respect
Please post any other time I have addressed you as Ma"am.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
92. Please provide proof as I have called you Ma'am before
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

I have not. You should delete your flamefest.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
95. She and ma'am are both female terms. Since I am male, I asked to why you refereed to me as
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

female (once as ma'am and once as she). You said out of respect which also makes no sense.

As for the flamefest, you are the one posting RW anti-Bernie graphics, not me. Several people tried to explain your misunderstanding of the word subsidize, but you ignored them. You should delete the anti-Sanders crap.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
96. I thought you were a female, my bad.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:20 PM
Oct 2015

As far as the "subsidies", I do not care for Hillary propaganda. If she has the magical wand and make the poverty disappear without subsiding for it first, then so be it. Let's hear her magical plan tonite.

(Don't hold your breath, obviously).

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
75. Poverty is bad. Sanders wants to win the War on Poverty.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Oct 2015

The reason you tax wealth is to distribute that wealth more fairly and compassionately. That goal is to reduce and finally eliminate poverty. You are championing a moronic wingnut attempt at lampooning Sanders' platform on wealth inequality. If you cannot see that, I'd advise you to look up the word "subsidize" in the dictionary and consider who would want to apply that verb to anything he or she desperately wants to eliminate.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
83. I am not doing what you're accusing me of.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

The welfare system is a joke, at this point and time. The federal minimum wage is a joke. Sanders is asking for major changes in the tax system and in minimum wage ( he proposes $15 minimum federally)

One cannot get out if the whole when one has no food to eat.

I know it, because I've been there. I dont need a book to teach me what it means.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
76. Both!!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Oct 2015

Subsidize them first, and give them a chance. Not the joke that the welfare and minimum wage is today.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
86. To you, maybe.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

I am still waiting to see your response to the accusations that I "keep calling you Ma'am'. You must have me confused with another poster.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
81. I have read about this,
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

it is in Denmark? Other places,can't remember right now.What do they call that?

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
125. Right...I just posted something about that...that is the wrong motto
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

You don't subsidize poverty, you eliminate it.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
88. I thought this was some kind of sarcastic post.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

I'm flabbergasted you think this is a good graphic. Childish & silly.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
91. Why is it silly??
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

Do you think we can use magical powers and eliminate poverty without HELPING the poor first???

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
114. +1
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015

Truth, honesty, having a heart, wishing the best for the people, hating wars, loving peace, feeling compassion

This is why HE RULES!!!!!

Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
123. "Subsidize Poverty"????
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:54 PM
Oct 2015

Not sure if this has to be reworded...I can see the wrong side taking on that and running with it...

Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't "subsidize poverty" you "eliminate", subsidizing sounds like perpetuating...

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
141. Bernie is actually quite serious about helping the poor.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:18 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder why do you find it hilarious...

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
149. If the OP is meant to deride the Sanders campaign, well, it's free speech
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

But I'm going to wonder if it's OK to post such while presumably using extreme irony. Lines blur and the term "false flag" comes to mind. It's distracting, in other words.

That's my 2 cents, YMMV. As a graphic for deriding the Sanders campaign, it's OK of its sort and doesn't offend me. I suppose it's interesting to see what will be used against Senator Sanders as our nominee so I'm OK with seeing it at Democratic Underground.

But like I imply, the graphic is what it is and it's a bit disruptive to deny how it is used.

Cheers!

Edit: If that graphic was originally posted as being pro-Sanders, and not to mock his campaign, I was wrong in assuming otherwise, obviously. And following from that I would withdraw my issue with it here. Though even then it's controversial approach to sending its message should be recognized.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
155. OK. I edited my post above before seeing your reply.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Oct 2015

Have a good night, I'm getting ready for the debate.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
164. I don't know anybody that is
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

advocating for taxing the rich in order to subsidize poverty, that is just rightwing nonsense. What I believe in is everyone paying their fair share so that everyone advances equally in society and certainly not gaming the system so it only helps those who are very wealthy. If you give the poor a fair wage and a fair shot at a good job then that in itself would end poverty.

Kali

(55,004 posts)
175. another classic!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:35 AM
Oct 2015


darkangel218 (11,961 posts)

Why Bernie Sanders is going to be President, in two words
HE RULES!!!!!!!!!!





!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(And there is nothing anyone can do to undermine how awesome he is!!!)


and in case your image or post dissapears, one can find it here on this nutty blog blog - http://christophercantwell.com/2015/06/07/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-dangerous-man-in-america/

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
176. No smile?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

If he is really running, he will learn to smile. If he does not start smiling, he is not really running. If he wants to win, he will hire a coach to teach him how to criticize while smiling. He can not win if he is channeling Mike Gravel.

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