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Patton Oswalt tweet: A Vanderbilt heir is grilling the candidates on socialism. (Original Post) Fumesucker Oct 2015 OP
Good one mainstreetonce Oct 2015 #1
Perfect! Stinky The Clown Oct 2015 #2
Right. That didn't escape me either! nt valerief Oct 2015 #3
interesting, I was just thinking about his bloodline. niyad Oct 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Oct 2015 #5
Excellent. Sometimes we forget how much the 1% dominate our culture. reformist2 Oct 2015 #6
Love these tweets of his: valerief Oct 2015 #7
Lol. I couldn't put my finger on it but "crazy prospector" is spot on. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2015 #12
Excellent point! zentrum Oct 2015 #8
but he hands it off to others to ask questions about racism and immigration bettyellen Oct 2015 #9
You can tell what he thinks is imporant and what not so much .. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #11
He handed it off to the black guy to introduce the black guy's black guy question. Ugh. eggplant Oct 2015 #19
True. But I think most of them handled it well. And it didn't feel like it was too scripted, so I bettyellen Oct 2015 #27
Agreed. n/t eggplant Oct 2015 #38
Oh... SoapBox Oct 2015 #10
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #15
Ha! 2naSalit Oct 2015 #30
However, his mom is not leaving him money TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #13
Do you have any idea what those sorts of connections get a person? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #14
I'm sure he's aware of that TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #23
That expensive education didn't buy him any brains Fumesucker Oct 2015 #29
Indeed. He went from doing the overnight news on ABC to being one of the top media personalities Chakab Oct 2015 #24
Don't forget The Mole! melman Oct 2015 #34
He has some amount of talent Renew Deal Oct 2015 #39
Sanders said Denmark Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #16
I never understood that argument -- "the US is much bigger!" Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #18
Yeah, we have more people--and we have more doctors! nilram Oct 2015 #33
+1. Also, the argument, "our country is more diverse - it would be too hard!!!" reformist2 Oct 2015 #40
Good point! JDPriestly Oct 2015 #25
You can still pay executives millions TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #31
I have Medicare and Kaiser. Kaiser is about as close to the kind of organization JDPriestly Oct 2015 #35
How many millions do Medicare & Medicaid already serve? Oilwellian Oct 2015 #37
Actually, no, he won't be an 'heir', he isn't inheriting any of that fortune. closeupready Oct 2015 #17
Do you think he would be where he is without those connections? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #20
The connections likely helped; same as with many in closeupready Oct 2015 #22
So you're defending an elitist and your choice is Bernie for president? TBF Oct 2015 #41
How is Anderson Cooper an "elitist"? closeupready Oct 2015 #43
Being a Vanderbilt trumps the dirt poor father - TBF Oct 2015 #44
And I don't disagree with any of that, so are you spoiling for a fight or something? closeupready Oct 2015 #45
What? Why the personal attack? TBF Oct 2015 #46
With the exception of maybe Rachel Maddow, newscasters are not hired for their JDPriestly Oct 2015 #28
Do you know what year she inhereted that "small trust" in and how much it was worth at the Chakab Oct 2015 #26
$2.5 Million in 1925, $65 Million in 2014 dollars TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #36
I was wondering if anyone was going to bring that up! Melurkyoulongtime Oct 2015 #21
Even more amusing are the DUers defending the Vanderbilt. nt TBF Oct 2015 #42
LMFAO ReRe Oct 2015 #32
Very rich Blue Owl Oct 2015 #47
A real "man of the people" Senator Tankerbell Oct 2015 #48

Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. Love these tweets of his:
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:36 PM
Oct 2015

I think what hurt Lincoln Chafee the most was the "Feel the Chafe" slogan.

If you shaved and scrubbed a crazy prospector you'd have Lincoln Chafee.

I think @SenSanders closing statement will just be the CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM end credits music.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. but he hands it off to others to ask questions about racism and immigration
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

as well as eventually global warming. WEIRD.

Like Wayne Newton on MSNBC, WTF?

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
19. He handed it off to the black guy to introduce the black guy's black guy question. Ugh.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

CNN wanted a free-for-all, I assume because they want the Ds to look at unhinged as the Rs. Cooper was certainly trying to stoke that with the absurd number of hostile questions. I'm surprised he didn't get to the "when did you stop beating your wife?" question.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. True. But I think most of them handled it well. And it didn't feel like it was too scripted, so I
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

think it was overall good, even though his questions got almost trollish, LOL, the candidates mostly had good answers. Showed a lot of Dem unity, and called out the Repub clown car for what it is- which is good.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. Do you have any idea what those sorts of connections get a person?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

He wouldn't be where he is without them.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,172 posts)
23. I'm sure he's aware of that
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:16 AM
Oct 2015

He has had the best education that money can buy and, as you say, connections that are extremely important. But to write him off as a trust fund kid is unfair. There is no trust fund. It's like Obama's success is all because of affirmative action.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Cooper

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
29. That expensive education didn't buy him any brains
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

Cooper's retort to Bernie Sanders regarding Denmark having health care for all was that Denmark only has 5.6 million people.

He's an entitled idiot.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
24. Indeed. He went from doing the overnight news on ABC to being one of the top media personalities
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:17 AM
Oct 2015

in the country in a very short period of time.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
16. Sanders said Denmark
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:55 PM
Oct 2015

...has healthcare-for-all.

Anderson Cooper replied, "Denmark only has 5.6 million people."

Cooper's reply makes no sense. Insurance is about spreading risk. It's easier for a big country to spread risk than a small country.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
18. I never understood that argument -- "the US is much bigger!"
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:02 AM
Oct 2015

Yeah ... and?

More people paying in, right?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
40. +1. Also, the argument, "our country is more diverse - it would be too hard!!!"
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

It makes no sense. Both arguments dismissing what they do in Europe are diversions.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. Good point!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

Besides, in Austria, for example, single payer insurance does not mean that you have only one insurance company.

I would like to see us return to non-profit insurance companies. We could make healthcare more affordable that way without cutting, maybe even while increasing, the incomes of nurses and doctors and others who provide our healthcare.

We should take the profit of out healthcare. Any excess money earned should be reinvested in better equipment and care.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,172 posts)
31. You can still pay executives millions
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:42 AM
Oct 2015

when you are non-profit, but you cannot be a publicly owned company paying dividends to stockholders either.

However, one thing we do have that works pretty well is Medicare, so our "single payer" is already set up. Insurance companies would have no choice but to work with them and accept their payments or go out of business. For profit would probably become not-for-profit eventually.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. I have Medicare and Kaiser. Kaiser is about as close to the kind of organization
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:51 AM
Oct 2015

you might have with a single-payer plan in some respects.

When we lived in Europe, however, we could pick our primary care provider from just virtually any doctor because most of them would take us. We could switch doctors every few months if we wanted to.

So that was single-payer in so far as picking your doctor -- all were on your plan with in my experience (which was not at the wealthy end of the financial scale) the choice of nay doctor. That is not true with Kaiser.

But in terms of the well organized preventive care system and the all-encompassing care, European single-payer systems were like Kaiser.

We loved the European single-payer system. The French care was beyond reproach for our needs. The French know how to deliver healthcare.

In Europe, illegals are taken care of because they are usually from other European countries and have reciprocal insurance policies.

My brother-in-law needed care while traveling in Scotland. They did not ask him to pay for anything. We really need single-payer insurance. Single-payer refers to the fact that money is taken out of paychecks according to ability to pay but care is given according to your need. It's real insurance. Very complete for healthcare and dental care.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
37. How many millions do Medicare & Medicaid already serve?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:15 AM
Oct 2015

We already have the infrastructure in place. Bernie needs to answer that question better.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
17. Actually, no, he won't be an 'heir', he isn't inheriting any of that fortune.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:00 AM
Oct 2015

His mother, Gloria, stated recently she has made it clear to him that she's not leaving the fortune she earned herself to him or her other children. Further, of the original Vanderbilt fortune, she inherited only a small trust (like $3M or something), and her father, William, lost his own inheritance and died in massive debt.

The Vanderbilt family is fascinating to me (the wealth, the history, what the railroads did, the homes they built, etc.), and the opulence of their lives makes a very seductive story, but that wealth is gone and it's been gone for ages now.

Finally, it's funny to me that he jokingly laments that people never want to talk about his father, Wyatt Cooper, who was born dirt poor in Alabama; instead, people only want to talk about his super-fabulous mother, lol.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. Do you think he would be where he is without those connections?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015


ETA: Sanders said that Denmark has health care for all, Cooper retorted that Denmark only has 5.6 million people.

How is that a relevant argument?
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
22. The connections likely helped; same as with many in
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:11 AM
Oct 2015

Ivy League schools admitted in part on the basis of 'legacy admissions'. Like it or not, connections help, but that's not unique to the US or wealthy US families.

As to your point about Denmark, I agree that Cooper's retort was illogical, and even counter-intuitive.

With regard to issues which hinge upon strong central government agencies exercising control (as with arms controls), population size would be relevant insofar as smaller populations are easier to control than large ones. But as you argue above, if insurance is about pooling risk over the largest population size, then actually, the argument that 'Denmark makes single payer work for a smaller population size' works in FAVOR of those who propose single payer in 330 million population sized US.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
41. So you're defending an elitist and your choice is Bernie for president?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

Do you have any idea how ironic that is?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
43. How is Anderson Cooper an "elitist"?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

I happen to like him because he's openly gay, and he's done some amazing journalism, like the 60 Minutes story on Fluffynut/Plumpynutt. Yes, his mother is from an elite family (though she's always seemed liberal to me - and in fact, she's stated publicly that "I never felt like one of them/a Vanderbilt&quot , but his father's family was LITERALLY dirt poor, and wouldn't that EQUALLY make AC a man of the people? If not, why not?

TBF

(32,047 posts)
44. Being a Vanderbilt trumps the dirt poor father -
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

it has opened doors for him the rest of us have slammed shut in our faces. I'm glad he's at ease with his sexual orientation, but it doesn't make me defer to him because he happens to be gay. He happens to be gay - I happen to be straight - that is how we were born.

It doesn't make me hate him personally or anything like that either - he may well be very nice - what I am arguing against is the economic system we have in this country that makes just small portion of folks fabulously wealthy while the rest have no chance.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
45. And I don't disagree with any of that, so are you spoiling for a fight or something?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:10 PM
Oct 2015

?? I don't like Ken Mehlman just because he's openly gay, so no, that's not the important point to me.

AC has more privilege than most, but so did Ted Kennedy, and yet, we didn't hold that against Teddie. What one's family WAS is NOT who you ARE today, unless we are subscribing to some kind of India-like caste system, and I don't think anyone favors that.

I've admitted it before, and I'll say it again, I consider myself a liberal capitalist.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
46. What? Why the personal attack?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

That's fine you can consider yourself a "liberal capitalist". I don't care what labels people care to use. In the end all that matters is which side they're on. I'd have more faith that Anderson Cooper is on the side of the workers if he did much less red-baiting.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. With the exception of maybe Rachel Maddow, newscasters are not hired for their
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

brilliance or education.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
26. Do you know what year she inhereted that "small trust" in and how much it was worth at the
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

time in 2015 dollars?

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