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YBR31

(152 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 05:15 PM Jan 2012

Does Romney think he must be President to fulfill a religious destiny?

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/singleton/

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.”  Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.  He had predicted the emergence of  “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.

Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world.  But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would“hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.
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Does Romney think he must be President to fulfill a religious destiny? (Original Post) YBR31 Jan 2012 OP
If someone asks him that question I am willing to bet he'll lie. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #1
Why not? The rest of the lunatics sharing the stage with him do (or did). Warpy Jan 2012 #2
Have we ever heard Obama say HockeyMom Jan 2012 #3
I don't know, or care, really. But, I hope he is asked constantly. morningfog Jan 2012 #4
Good article Found in Yonkers Jan 2012 #5
It is dominionism - same as Sarah believes (and why she isn't backing him) Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #6
To fulfill his Ego Thrill Jan 2012 #7
Lying For The Lord otohara Jan 2012 #8
No, just his ego. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #9
yes grantcart Jan 2012 #10
It would be extremely scary if Wilbur became President bkkyosemite Jan 2012 #11
Absolutely jberryhill Jan 2012 #12
Well, someone's done their homework about the Mormons, I see. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #13
Roslin vs. Baltar 2012! MisterP Jan 2012 #14
Is that why Mo Udall ran for president in 1976? onenote Jan 2012 #15

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
2. Why not? The rest of the lunatics sharing the stage with him do (or did).
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

Gawd told all of them to run. They're all hearing voices, IMO, and none of them should ever be taken seriously.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. Have we ever heard Obama say
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jan 2012

that he was elected President to fulfill a RELIGIOUS destiny? Yet, he WAS elected President while so many of these God told me to run nuts, WEREN'T.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
8. Lying For The Lord
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 06:45 PM
Jan 2012

I think he lies so easily because what would push the Mormon cause, more than having one be the POTUS

Lying for the Lord


It's a Mormon thing. It's called Lying for the Lord. And it's a tenet of the Mormon faith that, Mormons think, gives them to the right to tell you a bald-faced lie, so long as it's a lie that somehow furthers the Mormon cause.

What else to call the Mormon's laughable statement today that their posthumous baptism last year of President Obama's mother was a "rare" mistake that might have been done by "pranksters."

Yes, we're to believe that the Mormons, just by coincidence, forcibly converted a presidential candidate's deceased mother, 13 years after her death, and only months before the presidential election. And we're also to believe no warning bells went off at Mormon Central when they saw that the woman's husband, whose name is clearly listed on her "baptismal record," is "Barack Hussein Obama." (Obama's father has the same name.) Yes, all one big unfortunate "rare" mistake. Kind of like a clerical error. Except instead of giving you the wrong change, they just stole your mother's soul.http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/lying-for-lord.html

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
10. yes
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jan 2012

But not so much related to a particular principle or prophesy but to demonstrate a general acceptance of Mormonism as a truely All American Religion.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
11. It would be extremely scary if Wilbur became President
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jan 2012

If Romney became President the whole of Salt Lake City's Mormon church would be running the entire administration. It is a cult. Their beliefs are out of sight. What they think of unbelievers which would be the majority of the citizens of this Country is we are not in God's grace. As do SDA's and JW's. They think very extreme views of those who do not believe as the rest and there would be an nightmare if this joker gets elected. Pray he does not!

Obama needs to make sure this does not happen.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. Absolutely
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jan 2012

I'm glad Salon put this together. Absolutely, he is seeking to fulfill Smith's unfinished work.

And he is challenged by Newt - the White Salamander.

Poetic

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
13. Well, someone's done their homework about the Mormons, I see.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jan 2012

This is nothing new to those of us who grew up with Mormons.
We saw the schism take place in their church for letting Blacks join their church.
And we witnessed the implosion of the community bonds they had with each other as one ward went this way, and another ward went that way.
And the individual stakes separated from other stakes and the communities separated among themselves.
The entire church was at odds against itself.

It's hard to say what Joseph Smith would say about the church he founded.
Well, actually, it's not.
He would declare them heretics and have them all excommunicated.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
15. Is that why Mo Udall ran for president in 1976?
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:30 AM
Jan 2012

The assumption in the OP that because Mormon founder, Joseph Smith ran for president that Romney, as a Mormon, must be attempting to fulfill some religious destiny, is yet another unfortunate example of DUers painting Mormonism with a broad brush and ignoring the fact that -- surprise -- not all Mormons are right wingers. Mo Udall was Mormon and he ran to the left of Jimmy Carter for heaven's sake.

The lack of knowledge of history and politics displayed on DU sometimes is very discouraging.

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