Bernie Sanders swept all of the focus groups and won on Google, Facebook and Twitter.

[w4rma]

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Every type of 'poll', 'survey' or 'study' that I found on who won the debates returned Bernie Sanders as the undisputed winner of the debate. However, it appears that Hillary has big media in her back pocket since most of the "who won" editorials, written immediately after the debate, are trying to convince folks that Hillary won.

Preliminary Nelson ratings say that 11% of all American homes with TVs were tuned in. This debate was the highest rated Democratic debate in history. And 980,000 were livestreaming at one point — more than streamed the Republican debates. Therefore, a whole lot of people watched the debate and will be more influenced by the actual debate rather than the post-debate editorials.

Focus Group Says Sanders Was Big Winner at Democratic Debate
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/13/frank-luntz-focus-group-says-bernie-sanders-was-big-winner-democratic-debate

Bernie Sanders wins with Fusion focus group
http://fusion.net/story/214234/bernie-sanders-wins-democratic-debate-focus-group/

Majority of CNN Focus Group Think Sanders Won First Debate
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/13/majority_of_cnn_focus_group_think_sanders_won_first_debate.html

The candidate breaking through in the Democratic debate? Bernie Sanders.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/the-candidate-breaking-through-in-the-democratic-debate-bernie-sanders/

Bernie Sanders Wins… At Least By Google Analytics
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-wins-at-least-by-google-analytics/

Bernie Sanders Clearly Won Tuesday's Debate -- On Twitter
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2015/10/13/bernie-sanders-clearly-won-the-debate-on-twitter/

Overnight ratings point to Democratic debate record
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/media/cnn-democratic-debate-ratings-record/index.html

Democratic debate live stream outdraws GOP debate
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/13/media/cnn-democratic-debate-live-stream-record/

[cantbeserious]

1. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[Fawke Em]

2. Also, just ask any average person who watched it.

The average person thinks Bernie won, too.

The ONLY group who thinks Hillary won is the M$M.

[w4rma]

4. That's what all of the focus groups said. (nt)

[oberliner]

11. People I've asked had spoken positive of both Hillary and Bernie

The consensus seems to be that they both did well.

[calguy]

18. I'm an "average" person

and I think Hillary won hands down. A lot of the early opinions polls like google and twitter are not accurate because enthusiastic Bernie supporters probably voted dozens of times. Kinda like the American Idol contest voting.
The real results won't really be known until we see the first poll number coming out of this.
One thing for sure though, this Democratic debate was so refreshing after watching the GOPricks slugging it out trying to prove who hates the most people.

[Fred Sanders]

20. No matter who won or lost, both Sanders and Clinton were great.

[ejbr]

36. Agreed

As much as I don't want to give Hillary credit, she did us proud.

[JRLeft]

22. Obama won the Internet polls and focus groups last time, but the media

said Hillary won.

[appalachiablue]

50. I didn't know that and it's very interesting. Thanks.

[artislife]

56. Yes.

The media also doesn't use scientific polling and the sample of pundits is small.
None of those pundits on cnn or msnbc are worried about money like the audience mostly is.

This is three years old but probably a pretty good snapshot
http://mix1051.cbslocal.com/2012/08/09/how-much-money-do-the-highest-paid-news-anchors-make/


How Much Money Do The Highest-Paid News Anchors Make?
August 9, 2012 8:00 AM

It’s no secret that Matt Lauer takes home a boatload of money every year for his role on The Today Show, but how much? What about guys like Bill O’ Reilly and Scott Pelley, how much do they make? Thanks to The Daily Beast, now we know how much the highest-paid anchors make every year!
NBC’s Matt Lauer, $25 million for the “Today” show
Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, $20 million for “The O’Reilly Factor”
Fox News’ Sean Hannity, $15 million for “Hannity”
NBC’s Brian Williams, $13 million for “NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams”
ABC’s Diane Sawyer, $12 million for “World News with Diane Sawyer”
CNN’s Anderson Cooper, $11 million for “Anderson Cooper 360”
Fox News’ Shepard Smith, $10 million for “Fox Report” and “Studio B”
CBS’ Charlie Rose, $8 million for “CBS This Morning”
NBC’s Al Roker, $7 million for the “Today” show
Fox News’ Bret Baier, $7 million for “Special Report with Bret Baier”
ABC’s Robin Roberts, $6 million for “Good Morning America”
CNN’s Piers Morgan, $6 million for “Piers Morgan Tonight”
CBS’ Scott Pelley, $5 million for “CBS Evening News with Scott Pelley”
ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, $5 million for “Good Morning America”
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, $5 million for “Hardball with Chris Matthews”
MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, $4 million for “Morning Joe”
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz, $4 million for “The Ed Show”
CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, $3 million for “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer”
MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski, $2 million for “Morning Joe”
CNN’s Erin Burnett, $2 million for “OutFront”
CBS’ Gayle King, $2 million for “CBS This Morning”
Fox News’ “Fox & Friends” crew, which average $2 million each
NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, $2 million for the “Today” show

So we are seeing the opinion through "their" lens. I would rather take the gaggle outside of the news bureaus.

[JRLeft]

58. They are pro status quo.

[artislife]

59. Yup nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

77. The cause of Liberalism won.

[roguevalley]

72. there are those who scoff at internet stuff but they shouldn't. That is where the viral

comes into play and those who don't watch or even care/have/possess tv will get their news.

[LWolf]

3. I agree.

At least with the assessment of Sanders as the winner, and the MSM backing Hillary.

I disagree with the quoted "woman in Bloomberg." I don't think Hillary was "Bitchy." I think she did decently.

I also think she has been paying close attention to Sanders, and adopting versions of his positions. When, in that first 2 minute intro, she started talking about "profit sharing," I almost expected her to suddenly claim to be a Democratic Socialist...except that, as a neo-liberal, she'd never claim socialism, and she did defend capitalism further in.

[w4rma]

5. I would have rather used a different article on the Bloomberg focus group.

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Unfortunately, that one is all I found.

On edit, here is a better one:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-07/bloomberg-focus-groups-iowa-new-hampshire-democrats-not-sold-on-hillary-clinton-or-joe-biden

[LWolf]

6. I think it's fine to use that article.

After all, the woman quoted was not the only person in that focus group. I understood what she was saying, and even she was uncomfortable with the word.

Overall, I'm thrilled to see American meeting Sanders, and liking what they saw and heard.

[underpants]

7. That's surprising.

I thought the order was Hillary - O'Malley - Bernie - and then Webb. Chafer is irrelevant.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. Can't we agree that Webb is irrelevant too?

If anything, he draws some tiny number of votes away from Hillary, but not enough to matter to anyone.

[underpants]

16. Yes Webb is irrelevant

But he brought some issues that are consistantly ignored like the South China Sea

[KittyWampus]

30. I will admit the South China Sea is not atop my priority list.

[virtualobserver]

8. The mainstream media are viewing this though their conventional wisdom glasses

They are looking at style and are focused on any potential gaffes.

People are focused on authenticity and feeling.

Exposure to Bernie leads to new Bernie supporters. The only question is how many were brought into the fold last night.

[Fawke Em]

17. More than 35,000 started following him on Twitter.

Not a complete answer, of course, but shows trajectory.

[ptownbro]

38. You're the first person to get this right

I'm a Bernre supporter but if I'm being objective, Hillary won the debate. She came across very well stylistically, she didn't have any flubs, and no one scored major points against her positions.

Whether some want to admnit it or not, that stuff matters. And, while I love Bernie, support him all the way, and ageee with his postions... lets face it, presentation and style aren't his strong suit.

That's why the media (and admittedly I agree) thinks she won the debate.

This is not a MSM bias effort to push Hillary... at least this time. The have good reason to believe she won the debate because she did a good job.


But I'm still voting for Sanders because he's right on the issues.

[virtualobserver]

41. that style stuff only matters to the Punditocracy

this debate was exposure for Bernie.....40% of the population still knew little or nothing about him prior to the debate.

The bump that Bernie gets from this depends on how many people watched.

[cascadiance]

66. The bottom line is that the media voices ARE and represent the rich themselves...

... by being employed by the shrinking oligopoly that controls our CORPORATE media. And most of these personalities that are trying to say that Hillary won have a vested interest to protect their positions within the 1% class themselves. Now are the internet polls "scientific" and representing all Americans? Probably not. But they far more represent the opinions of the people in general than media personalities themselves who are trying to depict Hillary as "the winner".

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. The only thing that has changed is the level of desperation in the media to maintain their narrative

They can see it slipping away, and the propaganda efforts are becoming more and more blatant.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. And the INTERNET was IN THEIR FACE last night on their very own Facebook page! Which they chose

to completely ignore! They have lost their power to the Internet and they know it.

Their propaganda last night was pathetic!

[global1]

24. And This Is Why DWS Is Limiting The Number Of Debates.....

She knew that Bernie would resonate with We The People and that wouldn't go along with the corporate narrative of Hillary being the 'presumptive' nominee. They blacked out Bernie up to now and will continue to play him down. They don't want Bernie because he threatens their 1%er status quo. They are afraid of Bernie.

And that my friends makes me more of a backer for Bernie than ever. In a different way he is resonating with the 1%ers - and they are scared of him and they don't like it.

[cprise]

61. Yes indeed. Also why the panelists are corporate

with no leftist credentials.

CNN did accommodate right wingers with a panelist.

[Renew Deal]

28. I agree.

It has become obvious.

[merrily]

12. Bernie also won on ActBlue.

[randome]

13. But we've been assured here at DU that his popularity is growing exponentially.

Surely a couple of media polls can't put a dent in the greatest populist uprising in history???
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[w4rma]

15. As far as I'm aware, Sanders won all the of debate-related polls/"media polls". (nt)

[Fawke Em]

19. You have that backwards.

The media polls show he won.

It's the media, themselves, who won't say that even though their own polls show it.

[Fred Sanders]

21. Please stop confusing Internet entertainment parties with statistically accurate random sampling.

Science shouldn't be disrespected like that for a liberal.

[w4rma]

26. What's your opinion on all of the focus group polls that Sanders won majorities of, Fred? (nt)

[Fawke Em]

32. Please stop confusing media support of Hillary as a win for her.

They are clearly shilling for their pocketbooks.

[Fred Sanders]

33. Internet polls are like Cosmopolitan surveys...something to fill the space between ads.

I am not a scientist, but I hold scientists in high regard.

To fully confess, I am sick of all the polls.....every fucking one....one year before the General and months before the first primary, isn't it all pretty much entertainment?

So lighten up, folks!

[Cosmic Kitten]

45. "I am sick of all the polls.....every fucking one"

Yeah, you tell 'em Fred...
LIGHTEN UP, FOLKS!!!!!111!11!1

[cprise]

63. Info-tainment commentators are deranged

And the scientific methods are no longer that. Younger, more progressive people are not reachable through land lines, for instance.

[randome]

23. Well, it's a bit confusing to me since I didn't watch the debate.

Some claim the Internet says Sanders won while the MSM says Clinton won. That's how I was reading it this morning. At any rate, Clinton is still in the lead and she apparently did very well, which all adds up to full steam ahead for her.

Sounds like Sanders did very well, too, but at this point, for him, 'very well' isn't good enough.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[rhett o rick]

67. I am glad you see it as the "greatest populist uprising in history." It may well be.

But I am sensing that you don't favor a populist uprising. Maybe you are satisfied that 32,000,000 American children live in low income homes, 16 million of them live in poverty. The current establishment has brought us here. We need a change.

[Etraker]

25. It is simple.

The truth takes a back seat to what sells. Hillary Clintons star power and the fact that she is hated by the republicans almost as much as they hate Obama because she is a woman makes for better "news" and ratings as the front runner. They will report things as it makes money, to hell with small shit like the truth.

[w4rma]

29. If their reason was to "sell ratings", then why would they ignore their focus group polling?

You might be correct, if the only folks they really care about "selling ratings" to is the 0.1%.

[Renew Deal]

27. It worked for President Ron Paul.

[JRLeft]

47. How about PBO? It worked for him too.

[Geronimoe]

31. Feel the Bern

I think Hillary did okay and some will think she won, because she seemed competent and polished. However if you consider the real situation Americans face, they want someone who is going to fight the rigged system of endless wars and politicians working for their sponsors and K Street. They want a chance to have a decent future. Hillary was not convincing, in that once elected she will not pivot to being another Obama or Bill Clinton, that largely works for global corporations, banksters, and the military industrial complex.

We can not address a single major issue, until we get the money out of Washington. Obama proved you can't work within a corrupt system and get anything done, except getting more of the same broken policies. Bernie seems to be the only one who will fight to reform the rigged system.

Global warming is the issue of the day. Bernie had the guts to say it. Hillary was lost in the being political correct and pretending it is the lone wolf terrorist. A proposition that give the military industrial complex over 60% of tax revenues, while the middle class goes extinct.

[santafe52]

34. Sanders was great: Hillary considerably better

Last night's debate changed my primary vote FROM Sanders to Clinton. He was very, very good but Hillary was MUCH better. She appears to be as competent for the office as Obama and the other President Clinton.

Great debate that highlighted the difference between the Democrats and the Racist Obstructionist Party. I was very wary of Mrs. Clinton becoming President. Now I'm very excited at the prospect. She is indeed "a progressive who likes to get things done!"

EVERYONE I've talked with in my big Democratic circle of friends agreed that Clinton's performance sealed the deal for her.

[virtualobserver]

42. uh huh

[ColesCountyDem]

65. And after 8 posts by that poster, you know this how? n/t

[rhett o rick]

69. She is very good at rhetoric. Take Social Security, Sen Sanders wants to expand benefits, raise the

cap to pay for it, and make Medicare available to all. HRC carefully avoided answering whether she would expand SS benefits, even tho asked more than once. She said something like, she would seek to help those on SS that needed it the most. Didn't mention the cap or Medicare of all.

Every indicator I've seen, indicates that Sen Sanders was far superior.

[bkkyosemite]

35. I believe Bernie won last night hands down

but the powers that be, the media, the establishment are saying it is Hillary. They are acting like all those polls and all those people including those that donated $1.3 million to Bernie last night are nothing but a freak accident.

The next debate is going to be Hillary at her best attacking Bernie for any and all she can because they are concerned about the amount of people for Bernie last night.

On MSM they are saying Bernie is too old, he is not for gun legislation, he is not electable, he doesn't look Presidential, etc.

The corporate agenda is to appoint Hillary (another royal Clinton again) to keep those who wish to control our government in the top position. As she said she was for Wall Street when Senator.

I believe the attack is going to get vicious towards Bernie.

As Bernie has said, it has to be a people's revolution, that millions of people must vote to make sure the billionaire class, the corporations and Wall Street do not get their way in this next election. The corporate/bank/Wall Street/Billionaires are working very hard to make sure Hillary is the winner so they can continue on the course that they are on, to stiff the middle class and the poor by continuing to control the people for power and greed.

There needs to be an enormous amount of voters for Bernie that stand up and say enough! That make it known that they will decide the election not the ptb. I hope it happens I really do. It's time for a change from establishment and royal family to truth and what used to be the American Way. But if we cannot become a revolution of people they will win again and the same that has been happening to the 99% will continue. Everyone needs to really feel the Bern because the Bern is the truth, justice and equality.

[tartan2]

37. In my opinion Bernie won the debate

but I would like to add that it was so good to see politicians debate issues and show the country that there really are politicians with brains!!

[randome]

54. Whoah there, let's not be too hasty!

Half-brains, maybe.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[Puglover]

39. Yeah

the pundits seem all gushy about Hillary. Perhaps it would have been wise not to ask the pesky voters what they think.

A bit of a disconnect.

[stillwaiting]

40. Where online did Hillary have strong support (stronger than Bernie)?

I mean, Facebook tends to have a much older demographic these days, and Bernie was even stronger on Facebook too.

I just don't get where Hillary's support is coming from.

Does it come from those Americans that just don't go online? I don't think that's a very large number of Americans.

I know she's doing well in official polling, but I don't even trust official polling methodologies anymore. They are polling from a more conservative demographic overall than the general electorate for a few reasons.

[virtualobserver]

43. she has borrowed Nixon's "silent majority"

[bkkyosemite]

46. Personally I think from the very beginning

the polls were rigged for Hillary.

[PowerToThePeople]

44. K&R.

DU looks much better now that I logged in. Keyword autotrash does wonders in taking out the garbage.

[George II]

48. All online, highly skewed polls and reactions. How many inner city or poor or people in general...

...didn't have the resources to watch the debate or participate in those "polls"?

Many of them were probably more concerned with getting by day to day.
Many of them might have been out working their second jobs.
Many of them might not be able to afford cable television so didn't see the debate.
Many of them don't have access to the internet.

[shenmue]

51. Exactly

[workinclasszero]

68. BOOM!

Thanks for that cold shot of reality!

[grasswire]

76. uh........are you saying that Hillary's base is poor folk?

I don't quite get your intent. Unless this is some kind of secret code.

[George II]

78. "Poor folk"? That's a rather demeaning characterization of the people I mentioned...

... and certainly not what I said, but you missed the point entirely.

The discussion was about online polls and how/why they're grossly inaccurate.

I pointed out one aspect of online polls that contributes to their inaccuracy - they're not open to a reasonable cross-section of the population.

Online polls also inhereantly are unable to be limited to Americans of voting age or limted to one vote per person.

You're free to draw whatever negative (and incorrect) assumptions about what I've said that you want.

[pinebox]

81. Sure

Those same exact polls showed the American people saying Obama beating Hillary while pundits said Hillary won.
We know the rest of that story.

[George II]

82. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while...........

......and even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

[pinebox]

83. You know what they say, right?

Those who forget the lessons of the past are bound to repeat them.
Ignore at your own peril George. The American people spoke.
Do you want to believe them or some guy talking on CNN giving his opinion?

[Autumn]

52. It was a coordinated effort by those people in the focus groups, IOW the focus group was freeped

[George II]

53. I don't have twitter or facebook accounts, I couldn't participate in those polls.

[Autumn]

57. Well I don't do the twitter. I don't do online polls I leave that up to the various

CCaves, the ones who hate DUers and progressives.

[George II]

55. Is there a reason why you included that "bitchy" link from Bloomberg? It's dated OCTOBER SEVENTH!!!

The debate took place last night, October 14!!!!!!!!!

[w4rma]

60. I made a mistake by including it. I deleted the link to it. Thanks! (nt)

[George II]

62. Cute... you deleted the "bitchy" link, but for those who didn't get to see it, here you are....

....from October 7th:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/07/woman_in_bloomberg_focus_group_hillary_clinton_comes_off_as_bitchy.html

And it was ONE woman in the focus group, not the consensus of the focus group.

[w4rma]

64. Here is a better link to the Bloomberg focus group.

Participants also tell Bloomberg Politics' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann what they like about Bernie Sanders—and why they're worried about Hillary Clinton.

[George II]

79. Well this entire discussion is about viewers' reaction to the debate on October 13, but again...

...you post another link to a focus group that was conducted on October 7:

"October 7, 2015 — 6:00 AM EDT Updated on October 7, 2015 — 11:56 AM EDT"

I think maybe this belongs in a new thread? Thanks.

[kelliekat44]

70. Yes, but he still lost the debate to Hillary. When FOX says Bernie won, you know Hillary won. nt

[LittleBlue]

71. Amazing how the media crowns Hillary and yet every democratic measure

shows Bernie winning.

Hmmm.. Why even bother? Our voices don't matter and the outcome is already decided.

[marym625]

74. K&R!

At least one politico article declared Hillary the winner 5 minutes into the debate.

[WillyT]

75. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[pinebox]

80. Hillary supporters; "But! But! The internet doesn't count!!!11"

n/t

[Uncle Joe]

84. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, w4rma.