Hillary pandering in spanish - big fail

[azmom]

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-makes-spanish-language-gaffe-history-presidential-candidates-embarrassing-2142880

I was just making dinner with the TV on, when Hillary in San Antonio said to the audience. I'm not la Hillary, I'm tu, yo es toy on chito. WTF

[elleng]

1. Right,

and seeing that I posted: USHCC Presidential Candidate Q&A Series: Governor Martin O'Malley

in June, and O'Malley's proposals re: immigration, mentioned by Hayes tonight.

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

Hayes tonight mentioned O'Malley's proposals re: immigration as the only ones among candidates, after Hayes showed HRC's meeting at USHCC (Hispanic Chamber of Commerce) that occurred this week.

[NCTraveler]

2. Your link doesn't say what you are.

In your link, she was redundant by using yo. Something many non spanishspeaking people do. It's actually not some big error.

Link to the error you are talking about?

If you read the article you linked to don't you think the Obama one was funny as could be.

[azmom]

3. I'll try to find the video, but it was

Funny as hell. We had to replay it three times before we figured out what she was trying to say. It was not just being redundant. It was bad.

[cosmicone]

59. Yo is added to the verb for emphasis

"Yo quiero Taco Bell" is emphatic ... just "Quiero Taco Bell" is enough.

The OP probably doesn't speak spanish fluidly nor does the reporter.

Some examples:

Mi vecino sacó la basura, pero yo me olvidé de hacerlo.
Yo soy Pepa, ella es María.
¿Sabes quién ha llamado? Yo no lo sé, a lo mejor lo sabe él!

It is the same as "I will return" vs "I shall return" .. the "shall" is used for emphasis.

The duplicity of the opposing crowd is incredible. On one hand they say that every word Hillary speaks is measured and run through focus groups. But she makes gaffes like this despite the focus groups?

[MADem]

4. Her sign says "Estoy contigo" -- I am with you.

The gripe in the article is that she used the "redundant" word for "I" (yo) in a tweet. Frankly, that is NOT the crime of the century, and this article trying to pass it off as though it is sounds a bit like a whack to me.

“Speaking Spanish doesn’t make up for the fact that many Republicans are working to tear Latino families apart," Xochitl Hinojosa, director of Clinton’s Coalition Press, told Fusion in an email. “Hillary Clinton has fought and will continue to fight for Latinos by supporting policies that would keep families together and ensure that Latinos have access to good-paying jobs.”

She will never be as fluent as Jeb, but she doesn't need to be, even in broken Spanish she makes more sense than he ever could--her policies are entirely fluent, and her VP will be able to express himself elegantly in two languages.

[azmom]

32. So the choice is Between Jeb who is fluent or

Hillary with broken English but good policies. No thanks, this latina is going to vote for Bernie, and if he never said a word is spanish, it would be fine by me.

[MADem]

37. Hillary does not speak "broken English." She was educated at Wellesley, and she speaks beautiful

English. She then went on to Yale, where she got her J.D. It's kind of hard to practice law if you speak "broken English."

Her Spanish could use some work, but at least she tries. I do not disparage ANYONE who speaks a language poorly--I admire them for having the guts to try. More Americans should make the effort to speak a 2nd or 3rd or even 4th language. It's good for the brain.

You are welcome, of course, to vote for whosoever you choose. No one is suggesting that you aren't "allowed" to cast a vote for anyone--you can even vote for yourself, if you'd like.

But I think that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee for my party, and Jeb or Kasich for the other team.

[azmom]

43. Her spanish could use a lot of work.

[cosmicone]

63. see post #59

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Touché!!...and...Olé!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[doc03]

5. BFD n/t

[procon]

6. Going by their enthusiastic cheering and applause, the crowd seemed OK with it.

A majority of Hispanic voters also seem to be lined up in her column, so (like most of us gringos) even if she isn't fluent in Spanish, they don't seem to see her Spanglish as a problem.

[azmom]

9. It was funny as hell. And for your

Information Spanglish does not mean a gringo speaking Spanish badly.

ˈspaNGɡliSH/
nouninformal
a hybrid language combining words and idioms from both Spanish and English, especially Spanish speech that uses many English words and expressions.

[procon]

23. The audience didn't come to critique her linguistic abilities.

They weren't critical of her well intentioned efforts.

Why is this teeny bit of unimportant trivia lodged in your craw?

[azmom]

26. Because it was cringe worthy and funny

At the same time.

[azmom]

12. LOL. I have a nephew named Carlos in

Germany, whose nickname is Chito. We laughed so hard. It was funny as hell.

[WillyT]

8. Might Be In Here Somewhere...

Link: http://fusion.net/story/215447/hillary-clinton-plays-texas-campaign/

Or:

[NCTraveler]

14. Might be. Nt

[azmom]

25. Did you hear her story starting at 20:00

My god. That was insulting. She told her mom, see they are just like us. WTF, what did she think we were like?

[magical thyme]

49. hand over her heart, droppin' her "g's" again, just like everyday people do

that was just plain creepy.

[TexasTowelie]

10. Will you also call it pandering if Bernie speaks in Spanish?

Hillary was involved with voter registration drives in South Texas in the early 70s. Has Bernie done any type of outreach to Hispanic voters before he started this campaign?

[azmom]

16. I don't mind a little pandering, but

Practice a few times. Look like you made an effort.

[Luminous Animal]

56. Ask the Immokalee farmworkers

http://www.ciw-online.org/blog/2008/04/senate_hearing/

[riversedge]

11. Pandering? No, she is being polite. Will or does Sanders ever utter a few spanish words

when he courts them??

[azmom]

13. If he is as bad as Hillary, I sure hope not.

[Joey Joe Joe]

18. Didn't he recently do an interview with Univision?

Or was it Telemundo?

[moobu2]

15. It's the thought that counts.

[azmom]

17. I'm sure it was appreciated by some. I just

Wished she practiced a little. It was two lines.

[restorefreedom]

27. does that same thought extend

to people in the south when she slips into her fake drawl?

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/06/02/3664725/shouldnt-make-fun-hillary-clintons-southern-accent-according-linguist/

[moobu2]

30. Why not?

Hillary is a very thoughtful progressive who works hard for every vote.

[restorefreedom]

31. okey dokey. nt

[dsc]

44. she lived in the south for longer than many people in NC

are we all big fakers for saying some southern stuff. I have been here since 2004 and that is still nearly a decade less than she spent in Arkansas.

[restorefreedom]

45. yeah, she lived there

but not during the formative years when her accent would've been adopted. I guess I just don't like blatant pandering.

[dsc]

46. I was in my 30's when I moved here and I speak with some southernisms

guess I am a big fat faker too as are many NC people who have done the same, exact, precise thing.

[restorefreedom]

48. the southern phrases don't bother me

that is natural to pick those up. but do you actually speak with a southern drawl? and even if you do, you actually still live there....big difference between that and turning it on when its convenient imo.

[sufrommich]

50. Seriously? I have a Canadian cousin who moved

to Tennessee in her 20s and sounds like she was born there now.

[restorefreedom]

53. not the same

hillary has not lived in arkansas for quite some time. this is not an acquired accent that she speaks with all the time. This is something she turns on and off when it's politically convenient. Big difference.

[Sheepshank]

58. I absolutely adore Obama

And notice he "speak" also seems to change in deference to the crowd he is speaking to. It's not a big deal.

I don't speak with a US accent, but when around a lotmof southers, for any length of time, I find a slight drawl creeping into my speech pattern...weird and strange, but it's a reflection meant without insult.

[restorefreedom]

67. i never noticed with obama

but i often read the texts of his remarks not listening to them.

its too bad, I would love to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt and say that she's just talking in a way that reflects what she's hearing around her, but she's such a smart and calculating politician that it is equally plausible she's doing it intentionally for effect. I just don't know which it is.

[Sheepshank]

68. It actually is all play acting

Every single campaigner is dressing with a certain message in mind, locating meeting and rallies at certain significant locations, brushing their teeth, using the right words, wearing deodorant, mannerisms, tone and inflections....all for avoiding offending a portential voter and gaining votes. In the big scheme of things hailing back to her Arkansan roots with any accent is just one in a medley of special effects used by every single candidate on the campaign trail. It just don't see the big deal. I remember thinking how Romney was a never a roll up you sleeves and forego the tie, type of person, yet there he was.

Oh and listening to Obama during his first terms speaking to a gospel group....he spoke very differently than when he was on the Senate floor.

[restorefreedom]

69. ugh all i can think of now

is romney with his "costco t shirts"

bwahahahahahaha!

[wyldwolf]

19. According to an online poll (now accepted by Sandernistas) Hillary has 75% of the Hispanic vote

Sanders has 12.5%

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/146687/hillary-clinton-overwhelming-choice-in-latest-piol

[Walk away]

57. But there must be a "click" poll somewhere that shows Bernie winning the Latino vote!

And Hillary's successful day in San Antonio must be a fail because a Bernie supporter says so! And we all know how in touch with the real world they are!

[WillyT]

20. Well... She Apparently Has The AA Vote, Even Though She And Her Husband Screwed Them...

Welfare Reform... Queen Latifa...

And she apparently has the LBGTQ vote...

Even though she and her husband screwed them...

DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell...

Hell... she probably has the Veteran's Vote...

Nuff said.

[LuvLoogie]

36. Latifah?

[MADem]

38. LOL!!!!!!!

And given the specific critiques in this thread, that is DOUBLE-hilarious!!!!!!!

[bigtree]

21. she actually has a good amount of Latino representation in her campaign leadership

...pandering? How is her longtime support of Latino issues and concerns translate into pandering for highlighting that and making an overt appeal to the community of voters?

Kennedy was obviously 'pandering' to Berliners when he made his iconic identification with residents there, even though he mangled the translation. This is desperation politics to criticize Hillary for her cadence. I can just imagine Bernie's Spanish accent.

[azmom]

28. Bernie with a Brooklyn, spanish accent?

You know anyone like that? Puerto Rico accent, maybe?

[BlueMTexpat]

34. Yes, the infamous Kennedy quote:

translates to "I am a jelly donut,"

But he got the benefit of the doubt ... and so will Hillary with the people who count - and who remember her long track record.

[MADem]

39. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....BERLINERS!!!!!!!

And +1 to your comment!

[Fawke Em]

22. I don't speak much Spanish, but when she tried to speak with a

Southern accent in 2007, I cringed.

She has flat vowels, like most people from the mid-west and there's nothing wrong with that! But she shouldn't use her accent to try and sound Southern. It falls, well, flat.

My daughter thinks Bernie "speaks funny," too, but he is who he is. He tried to say, "Y'all" in North Carolina and it came out like, "Yowl," but he laughed and said, "I know it's one word, but I can't say it."

Admitting you can't be everything to everyone is fine. Trying to pass it off as though you know what you're doing when you don't is another thing.

One really shouldn't speak a language they don't know well - whether it's a foreign one or colloquial. It never works.

[Walk away]

61. I don't think Bernie ever lived in Arkansas so it would be weird if he spoke with a southern accent.

Hillary spent many years in the South. But maybe you are the official Bernie Sander's accent police!

Also, every Spanish speaking person I know is usually happy and helpful when I try my limited Spanish. But if it makes you feel better complaining about someone being polite enough to try to communicate with everyone the best they can, then it's no wonder the latest polls reflect your candidates inability to do so or even try.

Oh, by the way, I lived in Kentucky for 5 years almost 30 years ago and I revert to ya'lls when I go back to visit. My friends in KY love it and say it shows I'll always have a little bit of the South in my heart.

You probably don't get that but some people care.

[msongs]

24. so when some latinos mangle english is that pandering too? n t

[azmom]

29. Who would these latino english

manglers be speaking to?

[MADem]

40. The country....and making a fortune doing it....

[BlueMTexpat]

33. Well you can make fun of her all you want

but she has actually walked the walk with Hispanic voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-courts-latinos-with-julian-castros-backing.html

She worked in South Texas in 1972 to register Hispanic voters for McGovern.

She also picked up a BIG endorsement in San Antonio..

[Kentonio]

41. Just a second..

So Sanders marching for Civil Rights in 1963 is old history that shouldn't influence AA voters today, but Clinton working with Hispanic voters in 1972 shows she has solid credentials with that community?

Bit of a dual standard being applied here now?

[BlueMTexpat]

42. What part of my post -

or ANY of my DU posts, for that matter - dissed Bernie's record on civil rights?

I was merely pointing out that Hillary has solid creds from awhile back, which is undeniably true.

You really need to look at yourself. There seems to be some transference going on here.

[riversedge]

51. This was posted in Antonia Tx yesterday--#LatinosforHillary

[LuvLoogie]

35. I am almost convinced...

that you really don't like Hillary. Almost.

Are you convinced, yet?

[randome]

47. Sorry, it's pandering when the GOP, who hate non-English speaking people, does it.

When a Democrat speaks Spanish, it's called "communication".

I understand your confusion.
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[MineralMan]

52. "Estoy contigo," for pete's sake.

It's on her podium, too. "I am with you" is a pretty good translation. Did she pronounce it poorly? Probably. Did it matter to the audience? Probably not.

Do you speak Spanish? I do. When I do, my friends tell me I have an accent, but that they understand me. I sometimes make grammar and even vocabulary errors, of course. It's not my native language. I understand them, too, whether they speak Spanish or not such grammatical English. That you misheard what she said, even though it was right there on the podium, is odd.

She's doing quite well with Hispanic voters, though. Perhaps that bothers you. That won't change, by the way. Not a chance.

[jberryhill]

55. Brought to you by the daily nontroversy

Who cares.

[randome]

62. Semi-daily. Measurable output has increased since the 1st debate.

Muscles respond to stress and outrage responds to unpleasant news.

Just look at the graph, man! LOOK. AT. IT.


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"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[jberryhill]

64. Maybe its carpal tunnel

And I thought yesterday's, "OMG there are copyright laws" thing was bizarre.

[quickesst]

60. Hmmmm...

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adjective
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synonyms: trivial, trifling, minor, small, unimportant, insignificant, inconsequential, inconsiderable, negligible, paltry, footling, pettifogging; More
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[cosmicone]

66. Hillary was NOT wrong

"Yo quiero Taco Bell" is emphatic ... just "Quiero Taco Bell" is enough. (Surely Pepsico, which owned Taco Bell then, could afford native speaking copywriters)

The OP probably doesn't speak spanish fluidly (or fluently) nor does the reporter.

Some examples:

Mi vecino sacó la basura, pero yo me olvidé de hacerlo.
Yo soy Pepa, ella es María.
¿Sabes quién ha llamado? Yo no lo sé, a lo mejor lo sabe él!

It is the same as "I will return" vs "I shall return" .. the "shall" is used for emphasis.