My question for the candidates is, Do Black Lives Matter or do all lives matter?

[Uncle Joe]

This question was then asked by Anderson Cooper of Bernie first and then Martin O'Malley but when he got to Hillary, Cooper altered the question.

I took it that the Facebook questioner wanted all the candidate to answer that specific question.

I'm wondering why would Anderson Cooper alter the question for Hillary?

[JaneyVee]

1. Hillary has been talking about BLM before any other candidate uttered those words.

[Uncle Joe]

4. This was for a nationally televised debate and the question was altered.

[jfern]

10. I don't think she was first

[JaneyVee]

16. She was talking about BLM in 2014. The rest of the candidates...

Didn't mention them until after their campaigns launched.

[jfern]

17. That may depend on what exactly you mean by talking about BLM

Sanders was talking about police militarization shortly after Michael Brown was killed. What was Hillary saying?

[Ken Burch]

21. And then she dissed the BLM reps at their meeting.

She treated those guys like they were just there to pour her coffee. No human respect, no empathy in her response at all.

[tecelote]

2. If that just ain't a gift to Hillary.

[Uncle Joe]

5. Yes it was, Cooper posed the exact question from the FaceBook questioner to the two most progressive

candidates on the stage, because he knew there has been a passionate debate between Black Lives Matter and people that state all lives matter.

If Bernie or O'Malley had answered "all lives matter," many African Americans and whites supporting the message of Black Lives Matter would've been turned off, by answering Black Lives Matter, the damage turned more toward whites turning off against them.

Perhaps other than corporate media punditry propaganda as to who won the debate despite focus groups and on line polls to the contrary, this helped Hillary in largely white New Hampshire's most recent poll?

[jfern]

11. True, they forced Bernie to alienate some white voters

[Uncle Joe]

13. Yes but I believe he made inroads with African Americans as well.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-keeps-promise-made-in-private-to-145437157.html

I guess time will tell whether it all balances out.

[jfern]

14. Of course he chose the correct answer

But in an open primary in a almost all white state like NH, it might have hurt him.

[Uncle Joe]

15. Those are my thoughts on the matter, but Bernie is a man of conviction and I greatly respect that.

Peace to you, jfern.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Her question is at 1:58, and good catch, it's not even remotely the same question.

'Secretary Clinton, what would you do for African Americans in this country that President Obama couldn't?'

[99th_Monkey]

6. I love what Bernie did, he "said her name", then put it squarely in context of solid proposals

to reform our corrupt racist criminal justice system, "from top to bottom". It was brilliant & authentic.

Word has it that after Bernie said "Sandra Bland" there was an enormous tsunami of google-searches,
to find out who this person was, and what happened to her.

[daleanime]

29. +1

[aidbo]

7. just watched the whole 9:55 again, poor Lincoln Chafe didn't have a second of talk time.

[Uncle Joe]

8. I don't support Chafee but it would've been nice to have that question posed to all the candidates,

but Cooper wanted to take Hillary off the hot seat.

[aidbo]

9. She didn't get the same question as the other candidates.

And it wasn't off-the-cuff, it looked like AC read the question off his card to her.

But my tinfoil hat slips down over my eyes sometimes.

[Uncle Joe]

12. This is just one small but significant example of CNN's manipulations of public perception regarding

the debate and yes Anderson did pose his own pre-written or framed question to Hillary.

[msongs]

18. false choice nt

[Uncle Joe]

19. Whether you consider it false or not, that choice wasn't required of Hillary in front of 15 million

people.

[NuclearDem]

20. Oh for Christ's sake.

[Uncle Joe]

22. For the peoples' sake, what's so difficult about asking the same question of the candidates?

Isn't that what the Facebook questioners were supposed to be used for?

Why switch gears after the FaceBook question was presented to the two most progressive candidates to a written question by the corporate media just for Hillary's sake?

[NuclearDem]

23. Because CNN is in the tank for Hillary.

Obviously.

Their otherwise obsession with her email nonscandal is just a form of eleventy-billion dimensional chess to secretly make sure she wins the nomination.

Or something.

Because everything I perceive to be even slightly positive for Hillary and an inconvenience to Sanders must be the product of a grand conspiracy.

[Uncle Joe]

24. Anderson Cooper knew that Bernie would shut the e-mail issue down before he asked the question.

Anderson Cooper says he ‘knew’ Sanders would ‘shut down’ Hillary Clinton e-mail inquiry

In a chat with former New York Times television reporter Bill Carter on the SiriusXM show “The Bill Carter Interview,” Cooper put this moment in his basket of regrets over his handling of the debate. “I wish I had brought in one other candidate before I went to Sanders on the email thing because I knew Sanders would try to shut it down,” said the debate host. Perhaps that would have been a better way to go, though there was no guarantee. After all, Chafee commented that the e-mails drive at a credibility crisis in American politics. When Cooper asked Clinton whether she wanted to respond, she said, “No,” to the delight of her supporters.

The assembled challengers weren’t prepared or disposed to mount a serious challenge to Clinton’s e-mail problem. That would have had to come directly from Cooper in a series of pointed questions. Posing them would have hijacked the debate, driving it into a homebrew rabbit hole; better to leave the prolonged e-mail cross-examinations to Cooper’s peers who sit for extended interviews with the candidate. Several such clashes have already taken place, and there are more to come, including Jake Tapper’s CNN interview with Clinton this afternoon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/10/16/anderson-cooper-says-he-knew-sanders-would-shut-down-hillary-clinton-e-mail-inquiry/

[NuclearDem]

25. Because that's the only time CNN has covered the emails!

You betcha!

I'm sorry, but this ridiculous bullshit has gone on long enough. The debate's over. Sanders and Clinton both did well. Deal with it and move on. This conspiracy mongering makes us all look like fucking loons.

[Uncle Joe]

26. Not good enough, Bernie won and the corporate media with some success have tried to spin

it otherwise.

[Fumesucker]

33. The entire establishment is in the tank for any establishment candidate

It's not a grand conspiracy, it's individuals pursuing their own agendas that just happen to coincide into a nearly seamless fabric.

It's all about the worldview of the people in the media, their perspective is of people who have been successful in the established order of things and anything that would upset the established order is seen as a threat to their livelihood. It's something that is for the most part happening well below conscious thought, a visceral reaction to an economic and social threat.

[aidbo]

27. OT, but related.

[Uncle Joe]

28. CNN definitely edited the crap out of that video, and the motivation is obvious, Bernie

was criticizing the media's lack of covering substantive issues, slamming Citizens United, whether we're going to have a democracy or Oligarchy and this hit too close to home for CNN's self-serving financial tastes.

And people question Bernie's supporters' beliefs that the corporate media is trying to spin this as a Hillary win!?

FOX did the same editing on the video of their focus group which overwhelming chose Bernie as the winner but they edited out Bernie's statement just as CNN did in your video.

Watch the real time grading of this focus group's reaction in this video beginning at about the 1:36 mark, when Bernie defends Hillary, edited at the same points cutting out criticism of the media and the rest of Bernie's statement.

MSNBC didn't even have the guts to host a focus group, they saw the writing on the wall and avoided it by using conflict of interest laden pundits to warp the peoples' perception as to who won the debate.

[kath]

30. Cooper allowed HRC to weasel out of answering several of the questions.

it's what she does, but she shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

[Kalidurga]

32. I saw him try to stop her a whole bunch of times.

I think he just got tired and threw up his hands on the matter.

[Kalidurga]

31. Ah thanks now I remember...

When I saw it I saw it in a completely different way than most people here saw it. I saw it as a harder question and I was like whoa Anderson Cooper really hates her. And I am still convinced it is a harder question. One it implies Obama isn't as good on the issue of helping the AA community as he should be, Hillary is part of the administration. The question almost smears Hillary. I don't think she gave a good answer either, because she might have had to speak off the cuff. She had time to put together a response in her head to the BLM question, but not one on how she would differ from Obama on the issue. She did okay with her answer. If I was to meet her as a candidate for the first time on that answer I would like her more than I do.

[Uncle Joe]

34. The question to Hillary was much easier, it opens up an infinite range of possible answers for the

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candidate to present from total support, abject rejection and a million points in between.

Hillary could've defended President Obama while at the same time offering some differences in how she would react.

When Bernie or O'Malley were presented with Black Lives Matter or all lives matter, for political purposes it wasn't an either/or question, it was a binary question A or B and many people regardless of which answer they believed in would automatically tune out any subsequent explanation once they heard the opposing choice.

Of course debates aren't an exact science but if this were a scientific experiment, Cooper failed in not using the same criteria to find a result.

[Kalidurga]

35. Of course debates aren't an exact science....

but if this were a scientific experiment, Cooper failed in not using the same criteria to find a result."

Well this is very true. But, I still think she was in more of a position where she had to think off her feet and go off script. She does not do very well when she goes off script.

I don't even remember what her answer was so I am sure it was full of fluff rather than substance. She really needs to come up with some concrete ideas rather than whatever it is she is currently doing.

[Uncle Joe]

36. Her answer in the video above was to defend President Obama for trying, attacking the Republicans

as being obstructionist, body cams on police, accepting the recommendations of Obama's commission, changing our mass incarceration policies and the general phrase of criminal justice reform, I'm not of the mind that takes too much thinking.

There has been growing support for police body cams and defending Obama while attacking the Republicans is a no-brainer especially on racial issues, the rest was simply taking up what Bernie has already long championed.

Apparently it escaped many people in the audience's attention along with that of Cooper that Hillary's Campaign or super pacs are receiving great support from the for profit private prison industry, not to mention her track record of support for more prisons.

(snip)

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.

Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. “We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders,” Clinton said in 1994. “The ‘three strikes and you’re out’ for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets,” she added.

In recent months, Clinton has tacked left in some ways, and now calls for alternatives to incarceration and for greater police accountability. And while Clinton has backed a path to citizenship for undocumented people in America, she recently signaled a willingness to crack down on so-called “sanctuary cities,” a move that could lead to more immigrant detentions.

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/%C2%A0%E2%80%A6

If Hillary or for that matter any Democratic candidate is forced to state explicitly Blacks Lives Matter or all lives matter, from a political point of view it's going to cost them no matter what their explanation of their reasoning is afterward, conveniently Hillary simply wasn't forced to make that (Sophie's Choice) public declaration in front of 15 million people.

[Kalidurga]

37. You make some very good points.

But, Anderson had already held her feet to the fire on being disingenuous and molding her message to her audience. He nearly flat out called her phoney and a waffler. She didn't answer that question well at all. I think the debate might hurt her some I don't know how much or if it's just going to be a cumulative effect. It is clear however the more people see of her the less they like her. She needs to stick to jabbing at Republicans in those moments she is charming and genuine. As for her record on helping the AA community I think it's abysmal and it will remain that way no matter what question she is asked.

I also agree the question should have been exactly the same for all candidates, whether it was an easier or harder question. We can't know who did better on a question that wasn't asked of that person.

[Uncle Joe]

38. Peace to you, Kalidurga.