Elizabeth Warren: I agree with Hillary Clinton

[brooklynite]

Since historical articles seem to be in vogue, I thought I'd offer something from way back in.....May.

Elizabethwarren.com

I agree with Hillary Clinton
MAY 7, 2015

I have serious concerns about ISDS – a policy in the new TPP trade agreement that would let foreign companies challenge American laws outside of American courts.

...snip...

I’m not the only one worried about ISDS. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in her book last year:

"We should avoid some of the provisions sought by business interests, including our own, like giving them or their investors the power to sue foreign governments to weaken their environmental and public health rules, as Philip Morris is already trying to do in Australia. The United States should be advocating a level and fair playing field, not special favors."

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R!

[randome]

2. Philip Morris is expected to lose that case.

I'm not convinced that ISDS is automatically bad. So long as a country does not make laws that benefit their own companies at the expense of others (i.e. protectionism), I don't see how a corporation can push countries around.

I don't think we'll see oil companies setting up fracking operations in public parks, for instance.
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[MADem]

13. Oil companies are already drilling on public land at a cost of next-to-nothing.

There was a day when that would be regarded as inconceivable. Now it's par for the course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/16/oil-companies-are-drilling-on-public-land-for-the-price-of-a-cup-of-coffee-heres-why-that-should-change/

[randome]

14. Too damned much drilling is going on, that's for sure.

A simple solution to that would be to forbid any drilling on public land, I would think. That wouldn't be protectionism. But, alas, that seems beyond our current capabilities.

And letting stand a minimum bid of $2 is ridiculous. But I don't think any of this would run afoul of the ISDS provisions. We've just chosen to let our public lands be abused this way. And if we do, according to the TPP, then we have to let foreign companies do the same.

The possible solution would be to 1) up the minimum bid astronomically and 2) more stringent regulation of all drilling on public lands.
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[rynestonecowboy]

36. I'm sorry

but isn't that a little naive? There are countless examples of companies pushing countries around for many centuries and being very successful at it. Frankly I don't want countries like China destroying the industry or environment where I live and having the legal standing to do so.

[eridani]

38. Isn't it nice that defending against bullshit lawsuits doesn't cost any money? n/t

[Persondem]

3. Well, The Elizabeth hath spoken. That should be the end of it then.

No more concerns about Clinton and TPP ... not that there ever should have been.

K & R

[Agschmid]

19. It's not a dismissal of concerns but it certainly shows people are willing to work together.

As we all should be willing to do.

[cprise]

25. And, as with her comment on Obama Admin, she does not trust Hillary

If she did say she trusted her, then she'd be contradicting her talk with Moyers and trashing her own reputation. Its a fact that Hillary keeps lying about her stances on both NAFTA and TPP.

On Edit: Agreement with Hillary happens all the time. Depending on the time. That's the problem.

[sheshe2]

37. I am confused.

Ya'll wanted her for President. Now not so much.

[mcar]

4. But this was four months ago so it doesn't count

Did you know HRC was a Goldwater Girl?

[still_one]

5. And Elizabeth Warren used to be a republican

[mcar]

7. Yes, she was

But that was up to the 90s so it doesn't count. Hillary serving on Walmart's board in the 80s and her being a Goldwater Girl as a teenager do count.

The Clinton Rules are always in place, even here on DU.

[still_one]

8. Lol

[McCamy Taylor]

24. Congrats for being the first to throw Warren under the bus!!!!!

[still_one]

26. I guess I can't go over to the Elizabeth Warren group now... Oh wait, I am banned from that group

already for suggesting a while back that Senator Warren would not run for President in 2016.

c'est la vie

[Autumn]

6. This is Sunday Oct 18,2015

[brooklynite]

9. So that 2004 video that everyone "has to see" is irrelevant?

[mcar]

10. ..

[Autumn]

12. Well there are a shit load of videos from 2004. Cat, dog, sports all kind of videos.

Some are irrelevant and some aren't.

[cprise]

33. Is it about "agreeing" with Hillary, or trusting Hillary

Warren's point in the video was that agreement was there, but she couldn't trust Hillary to keep that position.

The OP shows that Obama couldn't be trusted either.

And don't take that to mean that *I* mean Hillary will always change on any given issue. The problem is her long list of flips and the way she lies about them. (And other things, like being a 'hawk'.)

[riversedge]

15. good for you--you are correct. Nice job

[Autumn]

16. Yea I'm pretty smart, I know how to read. numbers and all that stuff

What I did notice is Hillary's concern when she wrote her book is not the same concern she gave just the other day for opposing the TPP. Funny that.

"We should avoid some of the provisions sought by business interests, including our own, like giving them or their investors the power to sue foreign governments to weaken their environmental and public health rules, as Philip Morris is already trying to do in Australia. The United States should be advocating a level and fair playing field, not special favors."

[MADem]

11. Uh-oh..... Senator Warren had best watch out!!

They'll be coming for her, too, if you spread this around too much....!!

[djean111]

18. You know, there is a vast difference between "under the bus" and "I don't base my choice of

candidate on something Elizabeth Warren says". Just sayin'.

[MADem]

21. And I'm "just sayin'" she best watch out~! DU can be very disloyal when there's a clash of the

Titans going on.. ..and one of those Titans refused to go along with the program and run for POTUS, so she's going to get the hand if she dares go "the wrong way" according to the pundit class here.

And that hand will be on her back....shoving her under the bus~!

[cprise]

29. Well, the *trust* issue is what she explained in the Moyers video

Warren and Hillary AGREED about a bill, and Warren showed her word couldn't be trusted.

Having Hillary Clinton agree with you is no great feat. Its just more likely-than-not to be a temporary agreement that flips at the critical moment.

[Armstead]

17. Just shows how slippery Clinton is. Get out the Ouija Board

"We should avoid some of the provisions sought by business interests, including our own, like giving them or their investors the power to sue foreign governments to weaken their environmental and public health rules, as Philip Morris is already trying to do in Australia. The United States should be advocating a level and fair playing field, not special favors."

Well, do we know whether that has been included or not? Does Clinton? If she is so concerned why did she not mention it in her stated reasons the otehr day? And IF it has been taken out, why did she not say that she was at least relieved?

Best get out the Ouija Board to figure out whether or not she supports the TPP.

[uponit7771]

20. Somehow Warren agreeing with Clinton is because Clinton is a liar... cause to them there's

... no way someone they support agrees with the evil

[99th_Monkey]

22. Congratulations, for finding a scrap of history that somehow makes Hillary look "progressive"

Good find.

[sheshe2]

23. KnR!

[Demeter]

27. That's not agreeing with Hillary Clinton--that's agreeing on one point

Bad title--misleading.

[RiverLover]

28. Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren: Big Differences, Despite Claims To The Contrary

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-vs-elizabeth-warren-big-differences-despite-claims-contrary-1640810

Also see~
Hillary Clinton’s Continuity Government Versus Elizabeth Warren’s Voice for Change
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/10/hillary-clintons-continuity-government-versus-elizabeth-warrens-voice-for-change/

[paleotn]

31. I agree with Warren....

and Sec. Clinton. I agree with the rhetoric. But at this point, that's all it is....rhetoric. The question is, when it actually comes down to negotiating trade agreements (or voting for them in Warren's case) that will adversely affect the lives and livelihoods of millions of Americans, will a President Clinton fully stand by those words, or will she roll over to corporate interests like Obama? I hope the former, but from her long list of corporate contacts, I lean strongly towards the later. For Bernie? I don't have to wonder what he would back when it counts. Like the old saying, you can learn a lot about someone by the friends they keep or to those they owe favors.

[Eric J in MN]

32. Yet Hillary Clinton hasn't mentioned ISDS

...in her supposed reasons for why she now opposes the TPP.

[Doctor_J]

34. so when Hillary wrote the book she was against it, then she was for it, and is now

against it? I'm getting dizzy

[Spitfire of ATJ]

35. You mean this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017292241