It's truly disturbing to see the Hillary Camp try to twist Bernie's kind words re Hillary's e-mails
It's both amazing & distrurbing to watch, but they're actually trying to twist Bernie's defense of Hillary against him. What you thought you saw - they're saying no, it was the complete opposite of what you thought!! It's almost Orwellian.
Even though Bernie prefaced his comments by saying that what he was about to say was probably bad political strategy (because he was trying to take an issue that was harmful to his opponent off the table), the Hillary Camp is now claiming he meant to do the exact opposite. Their new version of what happened is so far from what actually happened, so divorced from reality, that I do in fact, question their motives - or at the very least, whether they even bothered to re-watch that part of the debate.
It was the highlight of the debate - and it did make Bernie look like a genuinely decent person - noble, even... I guess that's the reason why the Hillary Camp couldn't let it go unchallenged!
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Yeah... so true...
I think I'll do a version and just cut Hillary out of it altogether. That'll be fine too, right?
Jesus! 
and Hillary using Republican playbook tactics does nothing to her PR. She makes Trump look good
But whatever. You got 14 recs and counting. Your army is here.
... using their own words to prove that they actually did what was said they did.
No fairs!
Well then, perhaps they should express their unhappiness with that thread in that thread.
No matter what they say about what they said, if they write a book about it, it's for the money!!
Halperin is about as reliable as Chris Matthews!!
How would you feel if I said to you, "Sanders supporters are convinced that Sanders is supposed to be the first Jewish president and that anyone who disagrees is antisemitic"?
If you tar every supporter of Hillary with this brush, then you are using the same brush that most bigots use. Which, as a Sanders supporter, I'd have thought you'd know, and would refuse to do. It's a classic tactic of bigots: dismiss the other person's arguments by saying, "If I tell you what's wrong with your person, you'll accuse me of being ant_______" (Fill in the blank: anti-black, anti-women, antisemitic...). And, thus, supporters of a black candidate, a woman candidate or a Jewish candidate are "dismissed" as being unwilling to really discuss their candidate on merits. All they care about is that their candidate is "black, a woman, Jewish..."
Now, we will grant that some people WILL vote for candidates on such things--that they're black or a woman or Jewish. And we will grant that SOME will use that argument ("If you're against my candidate you're anti-black/anti-woman/antisemitic"
. But just because there ARE those out there who do it, doesn't mean the whole barrel of supporters is like that. I didn't much like it when I was told that I was only voting for Obama because he was black, dismissing both my ability to critically assess a presidential candidate, and dismissing Obama as having no ability to be a president. And I really didn't care if the person telling me that had actually met someone who DID say that to them. It was wrong to say that to me, and to assume it of all Obama supporters.
So. Understand this: as I voted for Obama because I thought he was the best candidate, so I will vote for Sanders or Hillary, not because he's Jewish/she's a woman, but because I've decided he/she is the best candidate. And I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the majority of Sanders/Hillary supporters that they are LIKEWISE supporting this candidate on what they feel are the candidate's merits, not his/her religion/gender. And I recommend that, whatever you feel about Hillary or her supporters, you do the same. This is not a brush Democrats should use on each other, the brush of the bigot dismissing another's vote as superficial. Using it makes us no better than those we are, in the long run, campaigning against (i.e. the Republicans and their very bigoted base).
Stay vigilant
I have a colleague who believes there is no such thing as altruism. Period. It is difficult to argue against her, because we have lived in a society filled with guile, propaganda and lies, and its gotten so bad that we expect it now of everyone.
So, in a society filled with guile, here walks Bernie Sanders, a guileless man.
What do we make of him? How can we destroy him? Ah...socialism...that's it! What? No, the Millennials don't hate socialism? Oh.
Ah...an illegitimate child! Yes, that's it! What? No one cares? Oh.
I know...he's accomplished nothing in Congress! Absolutely! A radical like that? How could he? What? He's in the top among Representatives and Senators for getting things done? King of the amendments? Oh.
Hey, he's one of those conscientious objectors! A draft-dodger! Yep. How can the American people ever see a man like him as being Commander in Chief? What? The people are tired of war? NO! They're calling it 'the forever war?' Those ingrates.
I know. The Donald used the word 'communist' along with socialist! What? That didn't work?
Well, he has a big problem with minorities! Yes...that's it! A big problem. What? Minority groups are beginning to support him once they hear his message? Damn!
Ah, I know. We'll never be able to PAY for his programs! Nope! No way. What? What do you mean, did we ask how much the wars would cost? What does that have to do with anything? Geez.
Matt Taibi calls him the 'guy who cares?' Well, he's a subversive anyway!
Health care and Social Security are un-American! Gay rights are gonna cause our downfall, just like Sodom...and why should we use our tax money to help the poor? We're Christians!
Wait...he's winning??? 
You've paid close attention to the weird back and forth of this forum for months, picked up on the nuances, and summed up the whole shebang quite entertainingly and well. Thanks!
They might as well be Republicans.
