SANDERS OR BUST!

[whatchamacallit]

There is NO alternative to a Sanders presidency. Anything else means continued preservation of the status quo, and degradation for average americans. Fuck the corporate media and their tools of propaganda, Bernie didn't need them to set this thing on fire and doesn't need them now. We just have to keep making noise, raising money, using social media, and taking it to the streets. Feel the Bern!

[peacebird]

3. Bernie has republicans in his home state happily voting for him, he has crossover appeal to indies

& Repubs. Clinton, the Repubs despise her with a white hot passion and will come out just to vote against her.

[pinebox]

10. Yup

but God forbid you bring that up around here because you'll get your head bit off by Hillary supporters lol

[sabrina 1]

90. Yes, and we've no polls yet regarding Bernie's crossover supporters, non registered voters, Indies

Repubs, Libertarians etc. We are getting only the Dem base and he's taking from that also.

[FloridaBlues]

175. Gez with just dems for the primary go figure!!

He's got a long way to catch up to Hillary .

[ChiciB1]

194. I Feel Any Polls Taken At This Point In Time Are Being Done

for one of two reasons. One, to get support for a candidate at this point in time, or possibly to give people who don't follow politics closely a reason to vote for the anyone leading any poll.

I don't give much credence to so many polls now. It's a YEAR OUT! Crazy seeing these polls on a daily basis so it's bothersome seeing them, but I wonder who, what or WHY is behind so many of them. On both sides.!

[workinclasszero]

91. So your point is..vote for Bernie

because republicans like him more that Hillary?

No sale. SMH

[tecelote]

107. Time for a New Deal

The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic Party the majority (as well as the party that held the White House for seven out of nine Presidential terms from 1933 to 1969).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

[RichVRichV]

108. Doing so just for that reason would be silly.

Obviously voting for who you believe matches your views and best represents you is the reason to vote for someone. But quit acting like drawing Republican voters in is a bad thing by any of our candidates.


People here keep saying we have to retake congress, no president will get much done with Republicans controlling congress. Well one of the best ways to retake it is to siphon voters from the Republican party. The hardest part about getting a Republican to vote for a Democrat is getting them to do it that first time, simply getting them to admit they even could. Once they vote for one Democrat it becomes much easier for them to choose to vote for more Democrats.

We're not talking about the rabid bigoted zealots here. They're never voting for any Democrat. But many Republicans are getting sick of their party going crazy in spite of decades of brain washing that the our side is evil. If we can convince them to vote Democrat just once we may be able to win them over permanently.


The same is true of disenfranchised voters. If we can draw them in and show them that we're listening to their voices finally we may gain reliable new voters to our rolls from here on out.


As long as we don't sell out our ideals doing so, drawing in new voters is never a bad thing.

[Fawke Em]

116. Here's another point: Who'll get more done with a Republican House?

If you think that body hated Obama, you ain't seen nothin' yet!

At least Sanders knows how to get stuff done in Congress. Far more than the Queen.

“I’m a progressive, but I’m a progressive that likes to get things done,” said Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the first primary debate. Nevermind that the things Clinton helped ‘get done’ — the disastrous Iraq war, the Patriot Act — should have never been done, the purpose of this jab was twofold:

* Leverage her status as a Washington insider to present herself to voters as a pragmatist uniquely qualified to get things done as president.
* Draw a contrast between herself and her main rival, independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who she insinuated is a progressive that does not get things done.

This line of attack works because it plays on a common stereotype that socialists and progressives are more interested in ideological purity than in making real-world progress, but when we compare their respective legislative records in the Senate, it turns out Sanders got more meaningful legislation done than Clinton.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

[peacebird]

114. Because Americans of many political stripes like and trust him more than Hillary

[Gore1FL]

184. Nice strawman n/t

[JaneyVee]

15. Hillary will peel off many Repub and independent women.

And garner huge Dem turnout for down ticket races.

[JaneyVee]

22. What an asinine thing to say.

[tex-wyo-dem]

44. Well, to be fair...

In the debate when asked how their presidency would be different from Obama's, the first thing Hil said was to the effect of "I will be a woman, the first woman president ever!" Anderson quickly brought her back on the tracks and asked how her policies would be different.

Hil has obviously been told by her handlers that being a woman polls well so she's playing it up for all its worth.

[Plucketeer]

63. I SO agree

Yeah - we most definitely need to have a woman president - the RIGHT one. Not one that qualifies primarily by her "equipment". And here's another facet that I RARELY see mentioned around here. All promises and professments aside - we'll be putting Slick Willy RIGHT in the thick of things. If we can delude ourselves into thinking HE won't be an influence we'll get more of the center-right crap that we got the last time he lived at that address!
Oh yeah! He'll have some superfluous crusade - certainly not planting veggies - or beautifying the nations ditches with wildflowers, but some feel-goody thing we can all cheer about. But he'll be the unofficial chief of staff - you can make book on that. Hell, maybe OFFICIAL Chief of Staff! Why not?

Like so many here, I wanted Warren to run. But she's right about her mission at this time. She's already done good where she's at and she'd be a great first basewoman for Bernie. So Bernie OR Bust!

[tex-wyo-dem]

68. I agree with you wholeheartedly about Bill's influence...

Do we really want that? NAFTA, Telecom Act, Welfare destruction?...I don't think so.

I can't tell you how many people I've talked to in person and online, repub, independent and Democrat, who say "please, no more Bushes or Clintons!"

[Hortensis]

84. Here you go, guys. This one's for you.

Enjoy.

[Plucketeer]

118. Thanks! nt

[Hortensis]

121. Sure. I know Biden made it a bad day. Tomorrow'll be better.

[cyberswede]

125. That response was painful. nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

42. Just as good as voting for someone because they have a penis.

Or white, or conservative, or African American, or liberal, or funny hair, or whatever. See you don't make the rules. We do. We choose for whatever reason. Welcome to democracy Apple Bee.

[peacebird]

18. Hillary will lose many Independent and progressive women, and lose more R's than she gains.

And she would depress voter turnout in the general, which would lead to more losses for ad's across the board.

[JaneyVee]

20. Yeah ok. Whatever you say buddy.

[rhett o rick]

154. Some Republicons are warming to the anti-corporation message of Sen Sanders.

In general the People support Sanders and Goldman-Sachs and Time Warner support HRC.

[tex-wyo-dem]

47. I agree...

Outside of Democrats, Hillary is pretty much despised and has a big trust problem across the board of republicans and independents. This would help explain why her numbers polled against repub candidates are not strong nationally.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

171. Even within the party she is despised.

[dirtydickcheney]

51. Very, very few people are excited about Hillary.

She'll pull nobody from the Republican nominee- Bernie will.

Please explain why a Republican would vote for a Republican-Lite (HRC) vs. the Real Republican (their nominee)?

[JaneyVee]

82. I see plenty of excitement for Hillary.

Perhaps you should venture outside your anti-Clinton bubble.

[dirtydickcheney]

88. Really?

What's her equivalent of the humungous rallies that I see for Bernie with Hillary?

My equivalent statement -" come out of your pro-Corporate, let's-win-one-for-the-D's - (their policies, meh, whocares??) as long as they've got a D next to their name, pro-Harold Ford, pro Debbie Wasserman Schultz bubble"

It's not ANTI-CLINTON - it's anti-(Third Way/DLC/Corporatist) agenda.

You know THAT one - I refuse to support "Democrats" whose agenda is closer to George W. Bush's than FDR's.

[riversedge]

166. Wasn't Sanders just saying he can draw in Republicans??

...Please explain why a Republican would vote for a Republican-Lite (HRC) vs.

[hifiguy]

136. And no "Democrat" would motivate the Repigs' cave orc base

to show up like HRH. She's good for at least a million or two extra Repig votes, nationally. Which is readily apparent to anyone with six functioning brain cells. They are DYING to run against her.

[SammyWinstonJack]

178. And I believe she knows that. And if by some miracle she wins, the Republicans will treat

her way worse than they ever treated Obama and she has to know that as well.

So why is she really doing this?

If she get her butt handed to her in the GE and we get one of those bat shit crazies, who will her supporters then blame, as if I didn't already know the answer to that.

[artislife]

19. Not the Republicans women I know. nt

[JaneyVee]

23. Mmm hmm.

[peacebird]

25. My R friends absolutely despise Hillary as well..

[Darb]

56. "As well" as whom?

So you feel the same as the Pubes and kooks and Tee Potty?

[Fawke Em]

111. Me, either.

I live in a red state. I know tons of them. They despise her. They are fans of Palin.

[SheilaT]

112. Hillary will peal off far fewer Repub and independent women

than her supporters dream of.

After all, if women were simply eager to vote for a woman, any woman, Sarah Palin would be our vice-president. And Wendy Davis would be Governor of Texas. And Alison Grimes would be a Senator.

[JDPriestly]

148. Do you have any evidence that Republican and independent women support Hillary?

[peacebird]

2. I think Bernie will win the nomination, & make a fantastic President!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

96. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[stevil]

4. Have fun

Anything else=degradation for average americans? Please....

[whatchamacallit]

6. That's how I see it

And thanks, I will have fun.

[stevil]

16. Thats the spirit!

Divisive hyperbole FTW!

[whatchamacallit]

27. DU is nothing but divisive hyperbole

Or hadn't you noticed?

[stevil]

37. Sorry, didn't notice....

I guess I'm too busy trying to get voters in the real world to look at our candidates. By all means, enjoy whatever it is you think you are doing in this OP.

[whatchamacallit]

40. Well I'm glad you've had a meaningful and productive 270 posts

Congratulations.

[artislife]

160. Well then thank you

for stopping your busy schedule and gracing us with your presence.

To relay...what exactly?

Uh huh.

[stevil]

162. Pretty clear

There is nothing degrading about winning the election with any Democratic candidate. Please....

OH THE DRAMA!!!!

[artislife]

164. Whoop dee doo.

[MineralMan]

5. Well, good luck with that. Really.

I'd gladly vote for Bernie in the General Election. I doubt I will have that opportunity, though.

[BooScout]

7. I'll be voting for Hillary....

[whatchamacallit]

8. Which one?

[Rose Siding]

73. The one who is going to be president

[Jester Messiah]

95. So you don't care about policy

Just a member of her cult of personality

[Rose Siding]

106. Your insulting assumptions aside...

no hard feelings

[hifiguy]

138. Jury result 0-7 LEAVE IT

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[Jester Messiah]

142. Hah, owned. :-) [nt]

[portlander23]

126. Oh snap

[cherokeeprogressive]

159. Laugh Track Hillary

[Scootaloo]

127. Oh, will she catch the Joementum and run as a third ticket?

[JRLeft]

9. Hillary will have to answer to the donor class.

[TBF]

11. #BernieOrBust - it's my sig line

and I am voting for Bernie. Period.

[whatchamacallit]

14. :)

[MissDeeds]

43. Same here

[JaneyVee]

12. Um, 4 SCOTUS justices may be up for grabs.

Get your ass to the voting booth no matter who wins the nomination. Anything less would be uncivilized.

[Fawke Em]

26. I will. If it's not Bernie, I'm going Indie.

Can't vote for that corporate war hawk.

I will vote Dems down-ticket, however, if there are any running in my state.

[JaneyVee]

31. A vote for an independent is a vote for Trump

[Jack Rabbit]

46. Are you using fear to hold us in line, Ms Vee?

I fear any presidential candidate pitching an unsustainable economic system, like the one America has had since 1981.

The right to get married won't do happy gay couples any good if the middle class continues to contract.

[JaneyVee]

80. Black Lives Matter.

But they sure as hell won't matter to a wingnut SCOTUS. So go ahead and throw your vote away.

[Jack Rabbit]

92. Black Lives Matter

But they won't mean anything to a corporate executive moving black jobs out of the country, either. Ask the unemployed backs of Baltimore about that.

I'm not concerned about a wingnut SCOTUS because no Republican is going to win the presidency in 2016. The next president will either be Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton.

[Jackilope]

77. So it goes.

Seriously, I am tired of holding my nose and voting for Blue Dog Corporate GOP Lite. The game is rigged either way. HRC will toss Progressives a few crumbs, if elected, but she is a corporate hawk. I live in a Red State, my vote won't matter in the whole electoral college map.

I totally get why the number of Independents are growing.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

98. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[restorefreedom]

78. a vote for hillary

is a vote for

corporate control and bailouts
tpp ..she will change her mind
war, war, war
citizens united support and more dark money
endless attacks by republicans and possible indictment or impeachment
an endless rosd of obstructionism and stagnancy
lies, lies, and more lies


no thank you

[JaneyVee]

81. Yeah ok. Whatever you say buddy.

Bill Clinton nominated the 2 most liberal judges on the bench.

Black Lives Matter.

[restorefreedom]

115. i never said they didn't

who do you think is disproportionally affected when we go into wars of choice?

[rhett o rick]

191. I also believe that Black Lives matter and that's why I support Sen Sanders.

Many of the 16,000,000 American children are black and will not be helped if we get a Goldman-Sachs sponsored president that will put corporate profits above everything.

Sen Sanders is committed to helping all of the 99%.

[ccinamon]

150. +1000

I feel the same way ---Hillary MIGHT throw the liberal/progressives a few small bones, but she is SOOOOOOO firmly wedded to her corporate sponsors, there is no way she will deliver any significant liberal/progressive measures.

The biggest thing to me: CEO of Goldman-Sachs said "he would be happy with either Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush as president".....

WHY would any sane/real liberal/progressive vote for a candidate that has the support of the CEO of Goldman-Sachs?????

[workinclasszero]

93. A vote for an independent is a vote for Trump

Sad but true.

Its also cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The people who scream the loudest about the oligarchy will help the koch bros puppet get elected. Damn just damn.

[Fawke Em]

133. Nope. It's that people like you think you can hold me hostage by screaming SCOTUS!!!!

I live in a red state. No way it will swing. I can vote my conscience and not have to worry that I harmed a fly. I will know I didn't. I won't be voting for any insane Republican and I won't be voting for a DINO who will do nothing to help the working and middle class while sending their kids to war.

We're onto this game, now, and we're tired of playing it. The oligarchy will continue with either Clinton and whatever dumbass the Republicans nominate, so my so-called "screaming" and a buck fifty will get me nothing more with one than it would with the other.

Damn... just damn, is right.

[workinclasszero]

145. The koch bros will appreciate

all Bernie backers who think Hillary is not holy enough to vote for on election day.

[Art_from_Ark]

158. Talk about someone who thinks that Hillary is not "holy enough"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5168167

Scroll down to post #76 for some really jaw-dropping commentary about Hillary.

[SammyWinstonJack]

180. Opps......well that was then and this is now.......or something like that.

[SammyWinstonJack]

179. I'm in Tennessee...don't think it matter much if I don't vote for the war hawk, corporate candidate

I'll vote Democratic on the down ticket if I have that option.

Still hoping for Bernie to pull it off.

[Fawke Em]

192. Tennessee here, too.

You and I don't have to worry about our votes. We could vote for God, but the state would still hand our 11 EC votes to the Republican.

[okasha]

153. Backwards.

He's cutting off other people's noses to feed his righteous indignation.

[Jester Messiah]

128. Then I guess you better put someone we want to vote for on the ticket.

You wouldn't want Mr. Trump to win now, would you?

[Fawke Em]

130. Not in my state, but you keep telling yourself that.

I won't be the only one not enthused to vote for more of the same.

[bkkyosemite]

117. If that happens and you can write Bernie in.

[rhett o rick]

48. Easy for you to say because you side with the Corp Democratic establishment.

But the enthusiasm for Sen Sanders is a rejection of the strangle-hold corporations like Goldman-Sachs has on our government. They want change and will not be happy if the big money (Citizens United) pushes Clinton into office.

A Goldman-Sachs Administration in the WH will not care about the 16 million American children living in poverty. We need change.

[LuvLoogie]

72. If only Citizen's United had made an anti-Bernie film instead...

then the Supreme Court would have ruled differently for all the genuine authenticity.

[rhett o rick]

109. Ironic that Citizens United was aimed at keeping HRC out of the WH, but now it looks

like she will be glad to use it for her benefit in getting into the WH. Situational ethics.

[artislife]

161. Great term

situational ethics.


That just describes her to a t.

[Jester Messiah]

97. Then do what it takes to earn our votes.

As you say, anything less would be uncivilized.

[Renew Deal]

13. You forgot the lessons of 2000

People sold your "no difference" line of BS in 2000 and we all learned how wrong they are. Some of the examples are below:











So tell us again how there is no difference between the parties. You are dangerously wrong.

[whatchamacallit]

21. Beside her disastrous IRW vote, the Clintons and Bushes are practically family

Yeah she's different

[Renew Deal]

32. Do you think we would have invaded Iraq if Gore won in 2000?

Do you think Gore would have read the PDB's? Do you think Gore would have failed to prepare for Katrina? Do you think Gore would have left policies in place that would have collapsed the economy? And then there's Citizens United.

You're not only wrong, but you're embarrassing yourself.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Didn't say that

We're not discussing Gore, we're talking about the Clintons, and they're BFFs with the family that brought us all that mayhem.

Oh look - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251710483

[Darb]

49. They are as friendly as any ex-president's family is with each other.

Don't play dumb, it's unbecoming.

[whatchamacallit]

85. Haha bullshit

If there's some 'dumb' happening here, it's not with me.

[hifiguy]

139. Chimpy says he thinks of HRH as

"a sister-in-law" That's just a wee bit chummier than usual, don't you think? He calls the Clintons "honorary members" of the Bush Crime Family.

The pertinent quote is from the Washington Post, BTW.

[Mnpaul]

143. Who said it?

"We know that he(Saddam) has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Hint: It wasn't Rumsfeld

and another:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Also not Rumsfeld

[Fawke Em]

28. SHE voted for a lot of that crap, though.

How IS that any different?

[Renew Deal]

30. She voted for 9/11, the Katrina Response, and the Lehman Collapse?

Don't be ridiculous.

[tex-wyo-dem]

76. She certainly voted for the IWR...

I didn't see her being outspoken on strengthening bank regulations or repairing our infractrucure.

Bernie has been right all along on these issues.

[Fawke Em]

110. Thanks.

That's why I used a qualifier.

But, apparently, people don't read.

[rhett o rick]

55. In 2000 the Democratic Party Elites made a big mistake. They ran a DLC Democrat in spite of

the fact that the grassroots warned them not to. It turned off a lot of voters. Now the DLC or The Third Way are again going to run a Conservative DEmocrat. Don't blame a loss on the voters. Blame the loss on the choice of candidates.

No one ever said that both parties are the same, the have said over and over that the leadership of both parties are beholden to the same oligarchy. Also said is that we need a progressive president.

The argument that one should choose the bad cop because the other choice is a terrible cop is worn out.

In 2000 the oligarchy didn't care if it was Conservative Gore or Conservative Bush. In 2016 Goldman-Sachs repeated the thought, either the conservative Clinton or the Conservative Bush.

If you want to defeat the Republicons, don't nominate a conservative Democrat.

[GoneFishin]

70. I almost agree. They learned well enough to run someone who talked the talk in 2008 and 2012.

But then we got pardons for Telecom lawbreakers, Bankers gone wild, and TPP.

[rhett o rick]

113. In 2008, I hate to say it, but the Oligarchs tricked us good. The nation was clamoring for a

progressive to the point the oligarchs decided not to try to force use with conservative HRC but go with a conservative Obama dressed in conservative clothes. We voted for change and got more of the same old shit. 16,000,000 American children living in poverty and another 16,000,000 living in low income homes and not a word from the president. Vote for Goldman-Sachs and watch those numbers grow.

[GoneFishin]

140. I was pissed and baffled when he voted for retroactive immunity for the telecoms. I voted for him

in 2008 anyway. But by 2012 I knew we had been scammed and left it blank.

[Fawke Em]

134. Actually, Gore was fine - his campaign sucked.

He was far more indignant about shit that doesn't matter than stuff that does.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

172. Actually PMRC AL was not fine and yes his campaign sucked but so did the candidate.

[freedom fighter jh]

173. Whatever you may say about his campaign,

Gore did win the election until the Supreme Court overturned it.

And he was right on target about one issue -- climate change -- that matters very much. The rest of the political world still hasn't caught up with him on that.

[raindaddy]

100. The Democratic candidate actually won. And the Dem party folded their tent.

There were questions as to whether Jeb committed voter fraud in Florida. And the SCOTUS decision was questionable. There were questions concerning Kerry's loss as well. But the Democrats pathetically did what they always do, let themselves be bullied by the Republicans..

There's a difference between the parties. But it's not the kind of difference that inspires people to stay in the party or to get young people to the polls. Voting for Clinton is more like voting in a Republican primary when they still had a strong moderate presence.

Yea, I'd rather have Barry Goldwater or even Dick Nixon as President than Ted Cruz, but don't expect me to get excited about it..

[riversedge]

29. Then it is Bust for you.

[Maedhros]

35. Counting chickens before they hatch, eh? [n/t]

[olddots]

33. for those of us who have backed down over the years

where has it gotten us to ? BERNIE OR BUST !!!!!!!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

101. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. You seem to Like Sanders very much

How 'bout this....instead of screaming over the interwebz and pounding away on your keyboard, why don't you step away from your computer and knock on people's doors and tell them about Bernie Sanders?

[whatchamacallit]

38. Judging by your post count

that's advice for yourself.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Do you see me screaming about wanting a candidate elected?

Do you see me creating posts titled "CANDIDATE X OR BUST!"?

I was motivated in the 2007/08 primaries and went door-to-door. Right now I probably wont be decided until early next year shortly before the primaries start.

It's fine to be a keyboard warrior, but it really does nothing to help your candidate.

[whatchamacallit]

45. Right

Posting rancid shit about Sanders and his supporters is practically a vocation for you.

[Cali_Democrat]

57. Your sensitivity is showing

Not everyone is going to fall in love with your candidate and not everyone is going to scream "SANDERS OR BUST!"

That's when you need to start informing people about Sanders by knocking on doors, phone banking, volunteering etc. You want people to vote for him, right? Well convince people to vote for him.

I'm assuming that's your goal, although I'm not entirely sure.

[One of the 99]

102. Great advice.

I worked for Obama in 08 and 12. As important is electing Dems to Congress and state legislatures.

[Darb]

52. First you disparaged the low-poster, then......

the high post count DUer.

What color pony is it?

[JaneyVee]

83. For some, DU is just all about disparaging others.

[stevil]

170. PSSSST

Get a new line

[MohRokTah]

39. I think the Democratic Party is all Berned out at this point. eom

[Enthusiast]

50. Kicked and recommended!

[liberal_at_heart]

53. I'm with you. It's time to take a stand. Bernie or Bust!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

54. Getting oh so tiresome hearing the "my way or the highway" rhetoric

"Over the past couple of months it has been revealing to watch the Democratic presidential crusade and not because the candidates are very different. No, what has been exposed is a seeming chasm between supporters of the two leading candidates and the vitriol coming out of one candidate’s supporters is getting tiresome."

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/21/scientific-polls-rising-numbers-reveal-hillary-clinton-won-debate.html

I began reading Hillary's economic proposals and job growth plan last night. Not at all different from Bernie's.

[Old Codger]

103. Might be

I began reading Hillary's economic proposals and job growth plan last night. Not at all different from Bernie's.

But when did it become so??? She has her wind vane up and running and leans whichever direction it is blowing... She will echo/clone Bernie's points as she goes... Take a look at 15 years ago and compare both stands on any issues and see how close they are...-

[liberal_at_heart]

165. How are their college plans not different from each others?

How are their stances on minimum wages not different? How are their stances on SS not different than each others? Will Hillary pay for college the same way we pay for K-12 like Bernie wants to? Will Hillary raise the minimum wage to $15/hr? Will Hillary expand SS? Yes, there are huge differences between Bernie and Hillary and you can call it "my way or the highway" if you want. I really don't give a shit. I will only vote for Bernie. I will never vote for Hillary.

[leftofcool]

58. Nope, not feeling it. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

[AzDar]

59. K & R

[azmom]

60. Bernie all the way!

[davemac]

61. In the corporate corner wearing silky blue (very expensive) shorts is....

In the corporate corner, weighing in at a massive $5 Billion, wearing silky blue (very expensive) shorts is the Corporate tag team of Trump, Bush, Rubio, Fiorina and Clinton. In the Poeple's corner lean and mean in his red raggered shorts, with a look of "hell-be-damned" in his eye, stands Bernie....the ref, Corporate Media, is straight out of the back pocket of the crooked corporations.....let the fight begin.........

[V0ltairesGh0st]

62. The Hillary Camp ...

has been on the warpath on DU lately... They must also concede that if Bernie is the Nominee, they must all swallow thier pride... and vote for him too. Otherwise they are just DU hypocrites.

[riversedge]

64. I have not seen one

Hillary supporter say they would not vote for Sanders if he is the nominee.

And no warpath on DU by Hillary Supporters. She is rising is the polls--about 5 of them last few days plus her stellar performance last week. Time to be joyous. No warpath.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

67. Well of course

you won't see it, but it wouldn't occur for you to look.

[riversedge]

167. well of course you are wrong.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

195. just another arrogant hillary supporter for IGNORE

[onenote]

65. That's just ridiculous.

I'm a Bernie supporter (and have the cancelled check to prove it). And I think it would be great if he gets the nomination and wins the presidency.

But, if that doesn't happen, I will turn my support to the Democratic nominee.

Why? Because the statement that "Anything else means continued preservation of the status quo" is simply ridiculous and because there will be plenty of changes in the status quo if a repub is elected that will adversely impact us for a generation or more.

More specifically, you can bet the ranch that the following will happen if a repub is elected:

Network neutrality is gone within the six months, thrown out by a 3-2 vote of a repub-majority FCC
Executive orders regarding minimum wage for government contractors are gone in the first month.
Other executive orders on immigration, guns, and a variety of other topics-- gone in the first two weeks.
The deal with Iran -- repudiated within the first week.
Same sex marriage decision by Supreme Court -- overturned within first term assuming Ginsburg (83 on inauguration day) or Breyer Kennedy (80) or Breyer (78) steps down in that time period.
Any chance of overturning CU in next four years --- gone.
Supreme Court's rw majority strengthened for another generation when Scalia steps down in year three to ensure that a repub president can name a like-thinking justice half his age to take his place.
State laws restricting voting rights go unchallenged by DOJ and/or are upheld by SCOTUS.
Any state gun laws -- at risk in the courts.


If a Democrat is elected -- Bernie OR Clinton -- none of those changes in the status quo occur.
A few do occur however:
Ginsburg probably is replaced by another justice in the mold of Kagan/Sotamayor/Breyer who is half her age.
If something happens to Kennedy or Scalia (80 on inauguration day), the court shifts from repub appointed majority to Democratic president appointed majority. The odds of CU being overturned increase dramatically as do the odds of state and local gun laws being upheld.

It's not even a close call unless you're a hypocrite who celebrated decisions like Obergefell but doesn't care when it's reversed and stays reversed for a generation. Or someone who called out Kim Davis but now is willing to live with a Supreme Court that likely agrees with her. Or who complained about CU and is willing to pass up the best opportunity in a generation to see it overturned.

[smiley]

66. k&r

A vote for HRC is a vote for the GOP!

Go Bernie!

[Rafale]

69. A vote for HRC

Is a vote for New York banksters. The ideology of cash supersedes all. Go ahead and bicker amongst yourselves. Clownish.

[smiley]

86. I couldn't agree more...

So I'm guessing you meant to reply to someone else.

Go Bernie!!

[Rafale]

123. Yeah, my old eyes. Sorry mate.

Go Bernie!

[Rose Siding]

71. Love your passion but that isn't likely.

You would need a majority for that.

[DianeK]

75. she has not been crowned just yet...

stay tuned and see how it's done

[Rose Siding]

79. Good luck

[JI7]

74. HAHAHA

[PatrynXX]

87. that means Huffington Post too :(

idiotic story. Fresh off her strong performance at the debates....zzzzzz which Bernie won she'll get another bump ho hum. hey if you love the XL Pipeline go all in..

[TheFarseer]

89. he'll yeah!

I expect to get screwed over by republicans but to get screwed by our own hurts a lot worse and sets us back from getting a real friend of working people into the white house.

[CharlotteVale]

94. K&R

[One of the 99]

99. I'm voting for Sanders in the primary

and hopefully in the GE. However, if he doesn't win the Democratic nomination; I'll vote for whoever is the Democratic party nominee is. Even the very worst of the Dems is still better than the best of the Republicans.

In 2000 we were told that the was no difference between Bush and Gore. But we found out that wasn't true. Let's not make the same mistake again.

If you're lucking enough to live in a solid blue or red state; you can follow your conscience. But if you're in a swing state, vote for the Democrat.

[artislife]

163. And Hillary would be the worst. nt

[One of the 99]

169. Still better than any Republican nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

182. Until they aren't. Better than any repub. Obama is pulling some just as bad as republican crap

out of his hat, as of late.

[One of the 99]

185. That must be why Republicans love him so much. nt

[senz]

119. Absolutely, this is the time: Sanders or Bust!

If you care about the people of this country, now is the time to put everything you can into backing Bernie Sanders for the Democratic Primary. This might be our last chance, so ...

Let's do it!

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[ucrdem]

120. No surprise there.

This is the end game I've been expecting all along, and one of several reasons I've thought letting Sanders pretend to be a Dem was a mistake from the get-go. I'd much rather HRC kept a clear focus on her GOP opponents.

[TheKentuckian]

131. Uh huh, you can't even process that Sanders is the only one generating enough hope that the

party is even redeemable at all.

You folks have been warned in no uncertain terms for years that the Turd Way has to be flushed and the lurching to the right chasing a bunch of wackos off into oblivion in a vain (and i suspect a dishonestly phony one too since the actual consistent push is to make a demographically diverse, more secular wing of the conservative party) effort to make "warm purple sauce" (an absurd proposition because meeting off the meter crazy, greed, and stupid in the middle still gets you fucked up, delusional, and cruel) but propping up failure that benefits a few people's pockets and maintains their power is the only actual objective for too many.

There was going to be no embracing of the suck either way but here we have a chance to start the slow move of turning the tide rather than keep marching off the cliff.

[ucrdem]

137. Dems don't need redemption. We just need to win. nt

[TheKentuckian]

141. That absurd, arrogant, and visionless attitude is why we fail.

Just win, baby worked fine in the 70's and 80's for my football team (and even there over time has become somewhat self defeating in a eat the seed corn/foundation of sand kind of way) but self governance takes a hell of a lot more than look at the scoreboard, the actual winning comes after that prerequisite not in and of it.

[ucrdem]

144. Who's failing?

Clinton is going to take it barring catastrophe and I don't consider bank reform a "vision." Obama has a vision and I agree with it; furthermore, he's been carrying it out. And Clinton is the candidate best positioned to to continue in that direction So I'm satisfied that she's the best man for the job, so to speak. Which boils down to what I said the first time: we just have to win.

[StrongBad]

122. Can't tell if this is satire or not.

[winter is coming]

124. Well, you really hit a nerve.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

129. listened to Joe Biden today.

He makes the point I think important. We have to move left. We are doomed if we don't. Hillary can pivot from center to center left and bring the vital middle with her.

[WillyT]

132. Pretty Much...

[Indepatriot]

135. No Lesser of Two Evils

I will not be held hostage by the DNC nor DWS. They need to act as DEMOCRATS. Third Way? No Fucking Way.

[LovingA2andMI]

146. Damn Skippy!!!

Sanders or this will be the first time in my lifetime I WILL NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. Just the rest of the ballot and mailing it in.

[Autumn Colors]

149. In that case, why don't you write in Bernie's name on the ballot?

Better than leaving that line blank.

[LovingA2andMI]

177. Because Write Ins...

In a General Election does not count in my State. It's like writing Mickey Mouse on the ballot and that will not be counted. Write Ins Count in the Primary Election and I will write Bernie in during the Primary if he's not on the ballot already --- but the general election -- if he's not there ---I won't vote for President, period.

[JDPriestly]

147. K&R. I will never vote for Hillary. Never.

If Democrats don't want to support Bernie, our country is not going to do well.

There is, in my view, no point in voting for Hillary. She willjust continue the status quo that gets nothing done.

[ccinamon]

151. Applause --- Well Said!

We've been told for 35 years we need to "suck it up" and vote for the 3rd Way/DLC candidate because that's the only way Democrats can win...it's a lie.

We CAN and WILL win with a real progressive candidate, like Bernie, AND (a very big AND) if the DNC/DLC plays fair and doesn't rig the voting machines.

I can soooooo see them using the Republican coders to write code to alter the counts during the primary.

[Beausoir]

152. Lol. Lottsa luck with that

delusion.

[grandpamike1]

155. Baloney

I love Bernie, but if he is not the nominee, I will vote for Hilary, because, even if she is what you say, the next President gets to pick 2 maybe 3 Supreme Court Justices, and if you think that a Republican President would not pick the likes of Scalia, Roberts, or mute Thomas or Alito, then you are smoking some powerful dope. While Clinton has many faults, she is better than a Republican, remember that.

[marym625]

156. K&R

#FeelTheBern
#Bernie2016

Taking it to the streets

[okasha]

157. Bust, baby, bust!

[PatrickforO]

168. Go Bernie!

I'm with you. So is my wife, my son and my daughter. And we all vote.

[LiberalElite]

174. I'M WITH YOU nt

[Gamecock Lefty]

176. BUST!!!

RAISE HILL 2016!

[retrowire]

196. funny how your unofficial slogan

pairs your candidates name with the word "hell".

hmm.

[KPN]

181. Ks & Rs!

Still feelin' the Bern! ... because it's real. I'm sticking with Bernie till the end. Hillary's numbers (somewhat flawed and absolutely manipulated by the corporate media) are a blip in time. There's absolutely no reason to capitulate at this point.

I say worrying now about the general is just another form of triangulation. It gets us nowhere ... and for that reason is nothing more than, well, WORRYING! On the other hand, Feelin' the Bern is action and a mindset. I'm with Bernie all the way. Action and mindset over acquiescence and worry.

If Hillary wins the nomination, so be it. But I'm with Bernie till the end.

[SoapBox]

183. K & R!!!!!!!

Go Bernie!

No more proud Capitalists!

[Nitram]

186. Enough of the apocalyptic hyperbole already!

Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley would both be good presidents as well. We get it. You'll just give up if Clinton wins. I'm going to vote for the Democratic nominee. Bernie is not the only liberal candidate who cares about the average American. And stop using the media as an excuse in advance for Bernie's eventual flameout. I'm reading a lot of good stuff about Bernie in the media I get my information from. (Btw, I don't watch TV.

[donnasgirl]

187. This is my first post in a long time

And yes Bernie Sanders is the only one for my Family, i don't know how others feel but i will not vote for a person i view as no better than a Republican. It is a grass roots Candidate or nothing, we refuse to vote for Candidates who are bought and paid for by wall street and other money men.

[SkyDaddy7]

188. Even if Sanders were to be elected POTUS...

NOTHING CHANGES!!!!

Not until money is taken out of politics! Sanders will be in D.C. staring at the same paid for Congress BRICK WALL every other Democratic POTUS has had to look at.

I'm 100% behind Bernie but just like I said when Obama was running far too many people think if he is elected everything will change...NO IT WON'T!!!

It takes time...Lots of time changing a what you can a little at time like Obama did (or be one term Prez) & getting money out of politics!

[sabrina 1]

189. It is on fire, that's why they are so worried!

[LovingA2andMI]

190. Nothing But Bernie.....PERIOD!!

[LiberalLovinLug]

197. About the MSM and we not needing them

Its true, in this internet age, we Bernie supporters, do not NEED the television main news networks. In fact, wouldn't that be grand if suddenly there was no TV News at all. And people were forced to actually surf the internet for their news where they would find any and all sides to a story.

No, the danger is not that they will simply ignore more progressive candidates, its that they will actively work to discredit a candidate like Bernie Sanders at the most opportune and/or critical time in the campaign. (see "the Dean Scream&quot Just wait, if and when Sanders stumbles at any time, and we are all human so it is inevitable (look at Hillary), they will pounce relentlessly.