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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:59 PM Oct 2015

Only Bernie Sanders Can Prevent Donald Trump From Sitting in the Oval Office

Well, this is interesting.
I cherry picked the snippets, the whole article is an interesting read.


Only Bernie Sanders Can Prevent Donald Trump From Sitting in the Oval Office
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/only-bernie-sanders-can-prevent-trump_b_8367286.html

Hillary Clinton is a polarizing figure for both Republicans and many progressives. Even with polls extolling Clinton's lead within the Democratic Party, underlying data shows that low voter turnout could result in a GOP victory. A CBS News article titled Hillary Clinton still leads Democratic race http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-still-leads-democratic-race/ undermines its own title by stating some inconvenient truths regarding favorability numbers:
Just under half of Democratic primary voters nationwide say they would enthusiastically support Clinton if she became the party's nominee. Twenty-seven percent would support her with some reservations and another 11 percent would only back her because she is the nominee. Fourteen percent would not support her in a general election.


In order for any Democrat to win in 2016, a nominee can't have "fourteen percent" of Democratic voters staying home on Election Day and not supporting Clinton in an election. Since there are progressives supporting Bernie Sanders who make me look like Huma Abedin, the possibility of a mutiny of progressives on Election Day, if Clinton is the nominee, isn't just hyperbole. Also, it doesn't bode well for Democrats when "twenty-seven percent would support her with some reservation" and "11 percent would only back her" to prevent a Republican in the White House.

Already, polls show Bernie Sanders beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-defeats-trump-by-a-wider-margin_b_8345156.html . I explain in detail why Sanders can defeat Trump in this YouTube segment. Furthermore, while Sanders showed immense class in saying "Enough of the emails!" Trump would harp endlessly on every scandal and controversy (real or fabricated) associated with both Clintons.

Against Bernie Sanders, Trump would be on the defensive. Everyone knows the reality show host never worries about finances or cares about wealth inequality, or other issues that endear a candidate to the average voter. Bernie Sanders, because he's the antithesis of Trump, would shine in any televised debate and offer voters a clear choice. Because he energizes progressives and the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders is the only hope for Democrats in 2016. From Supreme Court nominees to the future of our country, only Bernie Sanders can prevent Donald Trump from making historic decisions in the Oval Office.

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Only Bernie Sanders Can Prevent Donald Trump From Sitting in the Oval Office (Original Post) pinebox Oct 2015 OP
Sanders has about 25% support upaloopa Oct 2015 #1
The general is over a year out AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #7
You're forgetting pinebox Oct 2015 #15
Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama. (I'm sure that will be turned around) George II Oct 2015 #99
You say that as if it was a bad thing. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #102
You're right that odds are against BS getting the nomination thesquanderer Oct 2015 #31
Please... Plucketeer Oct 2015 #72
"Just"25% support at this time? Tell that to Obama and he'll fall out of his chair laughing . . . DrBulldog Oct 2015 #79
We are determined to fight the big money candidate to the end. How Democrats can gloat and side rhett o rick Oct 2015 #98
Magic and Politicub Oct 2015 #101
Glitter is awesome BainsBane Oct 2015 #103
Not yet Politicub Oct 2015 #104
Sanders has about 25% support workinclasszero Oct 2015 #113
ok. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #2
Yea right FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #3
uh huh. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #4
Actually heads up Oct 2015 #95
Hillary will garner huge voter turnout. YUUUGE. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #5
Yeah, turnout to vote against her Reter Oct 2015 #14
LOL. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #17
But HRC's YUUUGE turnout could be the Repubs voting against her! ;-) (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #21
They always have big turnout. Hillary will turn out waaay more though. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #54
Yeah.... daleanime Oct 2015 #51
I really do not think that will be the case. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #82
The millennials have already proven in 2012 they don't vote for pretenders. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #83
This is complete garbage SharpProgress Oct 2015 #6
No it's actually not pinebox Oct 2015 #11
I read the article, the title of this thread... SharpProgress Oct 2015 #28
Oh please pinebox Oct 2015 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Oct 2015 #89
Wow... WillyT Oct 2015 #8
Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #9
It is very unlikely that Trump will even be the GOP nominee. MineralMan Oct 2015 #10
I don't know pinebox Oct 2015 #12
In 08' Huckabee won Iowa repub Caucus, 2012 Santorum took it emulatorloo Oct 2015 #25
Could you try to be a little consistent? onenote Oct 2015 #30
Yes, apparently the Koch Bros are considering purchasing Rubio emulatorloo Oct 2015 #16
. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #13
Ya go figure. pinebox Oct 2015 #20
There is one thing that allows me to sleep well at night. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #26
Yes because Bernie is so bad pinebox Oct 2015 #27
He is a Socialist MohRokTah Oct 2015 #29
You're in luck! Absolutely no candidate is proposing that. arcane1 Oct 2015 #33
You are silly. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #34
And please link to where ANY candidate proposes that. You can't. arcane1 Oct 2015 #35
Bernie Sanders has referred to himself as a Socialist on many occasions. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #37
So you FAILED to provide a link. Red-bating is what republicans do to frighten the ignorant. arcane1 Oct 2015 #40
I need provide no link as Sanders has described himself as a Socialist on multiple occasions MohRokTah Oct 2015 #43
Ah, I see what you're doing here! Sorry it took me so long. arcane1 Oct 2015 #48
this poster is clearly 5 years old...at most. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #67
He's a Dem Socialist pinebox Oct 2015 #41
Go back to the nineties. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #44
Oh you want to go back to the 90s do ya? pinebox Oct 2015 #61
She never called herself a Socialist MohRokTah Oct 2015 #62
hey you said the 90s pinebox Oct 2015 #66
She's now a Corporatist Plucketeer Oct 2015 #73
I'll take a "Corporatist" over a self avowed Socialist any day of the week... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #84
we could go back to the 80's and it would still apply to Bernie...no evolving Sheepshank Oct 2015 #87
Sure let's do that pinebox Oct 2015 #88
Don't waste your time, they don't ACTUALLY believe what they are posting. arcane1 Oct 2015 #49
when the media turns their attention to bernie they wont call him a democratic socialist saturnsring Oct 2015 #58
Denmark pinebox Oct 2015 #63
count me in as well but that stuff isnt free and the media can use the price tag to end b.s. chances saturnsring Oct 2015 #68
Your 1950s thinking is quaint AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #112
That is a lie AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #111
Democratic socialists don't believe in government control of means of production AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #110
Your Heaven awaits in Somalia... kristopher Oct 2015 #114
You apparently don't know anything about socialism then.... blackspade Oct 2015 #116
Me too and thank goodness! leftofcool Oct 2015 #97
great photos! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #53
But can he prevent forest fires? Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #18
hmmm pinebox Oct 2015 #36
H A Goodman. LOL...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #19
Not Goodman pinebox Oct 2015 #23
Oh FFS. Do you never research the writers you quote? onenote Oct 2015 #22
You mean like all these on The Googlez? pinebox Oct 2015 #24
Yet you chose to build an OP based not on any of those sources, but on the least credible one onenote Oct 2015 #32
Shoot the messenger much? pinebox Oct 2015 #38
When its not a credible messenger, yes. onenote Oct 2015 #46
You seem to have to ask that question over and over and over... JTFrog Oct 2015 #50
Then why highlight Goodman? Best to use your other sources. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #39
Yawn. pinebox Oct 2015 #42
It is tactical advise about how to persuade voters to vote for Bernie emulatorloo Oct 2015 #45
Trump has already acknowledged this. He says he wants Hiillary to win the nomination because 'she sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47
yes, and because of trumps mixed policy positions, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #56
because we should always believe everything Trump has to say? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #57
Bernie is beating him in the polls! And he knows that. So do we. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #77
no one has challenged or attacked Bernie ...once they do............ Sheepshank Oct 2015 #85
I was just explaining why Trump said what he said! And you need to learn a bit more about sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #86
and you need to learn that Bernie is being coddled..... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #92
I really don't know why anyone on DU would promote Trump as a truth-teller emulatorloo Oct 2015 #59
Who's promoting him as a truth teller? He's looking at the 'scientific' polls we hear so much about sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #80
IMHO it is better to quote the polls than quote asshole lying Republicans. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #93
And I'm sure the biggest asshole on earth Codeine Oct 2015 #60
Glad you care what Donald Trump says about our party. zappaman Oct 2015 #70
I knew H. A. Goodman wrote this crap before I even looked. moobu2 Oct 2015 #52
Oh you did? pinebox Oct 2015 #64
FEEEEAR! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #55
Facts! pinebox Oct 2015 #65
Trump won't be the nominee WI_DEM Oct 2015 #69
Ah, finally some common sense DFW Oct 2015 #71
Donald Trump will do a fine job of beating Donald Trump. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #74
Exactly what I was thinking. Just let him keep talking and tweeting Persondem Oct 2015 #96
Bernie!! AzDar Oct 2015 #75
And only Bernie Sanders can recover one or more houses of Congress. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #76
Problem is Robbins Oct 2015 #78
It's a simple argument that HRC supporters are afraid to address Android3.14 Oct 2015 #81
Trump isn't going to be the Republican nominee... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #90
oh gosh, you're right. This isn't really an issue is it!! nt Sheepshank Oct 2015 #91
If H.A was paying attention he would see Trump is already slipping... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #94
I agree with this article. Bernie is the answer for the nomination, not Clinton. While admirable, moabfan Oct 2015 #100
Why? Is he going to steal his chair when he and Donald take a tour.... Walk away Oct 2015 #105
So true. n/t InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #106
That's silly talk. First, Rubio or Bush will stop Trump. If they fail, Clinton is not as strong as Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #107
Good read and analysis. GoneOffShore Oct 2015 #108
DSB is anything but unfair. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #115
Very doubtful as Trump will need about 42% of the Hispanic vote to win Quixote1818 Oct 2015 #117

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Sanders has about 25% support
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

How does that translate to defeating repubs in the general?
He's got about 4 months and a tremendous win on Super Tuesday before he could be in the general.
I don't see that happening. A lot if chicken counting while still eggs here I think.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
15. You're forgetting
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:26 PM
Oct 2015

at this stage of the race, Hillary had a huge lead against Obama too
We're talking in a general matchup here against GOP rivals, not primaries

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
31. You're right that odds are against BS getting the nomination
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

But *if* he does, he polls strong for the general.

Lots of people haven't even heard of him yet, and yet he polls about as well as HRC does against the Republicans, and sometimes better (i.e. against Trump).

See http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
98. We are determined to fight the big money candidate to the end. How Democrats can gloat and side
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

with the bankers and billionaires I can't imagine. I guess they like to hitch their wagons to the bigger bullies, the big corporations that run America. In 1770 they would have been Loyalists, afraid to fight for freedom and liberty. How they can turn their backs on the problems of poverty, etc. in this country and support corporate profits is Democratic. They seem to welcome the oligarchy.

Support Sen Sanders the Peoples' Choice and turn away Goldman-Sachs.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
113. Sanders has about 25% support
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015
How does that translate to defeating repubs in the general?

It doesn't but we all know that including Bernie backers.

Super tuesday will settle this once and for all.
 

heads up

(55 posts)
95. Actually
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:09 PM
Oct 2015

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, not the government. Not sure why Anyone would vote for a corporatist.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
83. The millennials have already proven in 2012 they don't vote for pretenders.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

And so they won't vote for Hillary. But there IS someone they are already very hungry to vote for . . .

SharpProgress

(23 posts)
6. This is complete garbage
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:17 PM
Oct 2015

I get it. We all want Bernie to win.

But have you even taken even a moment to think about demographics in a Hillary vs Trump/Carson election?

Woman's vote: HRC
Black Vote: HRC
Hispanic Vote: HRC

It's not like in a presidential election Dems are just going to stay home. She beats every Republican in heads up polling.

As I say in all these threads, this is nothing more than fear mongering, and is without a reasonable basis for the drawn conclusion.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. No it's actually not
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:24 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/19/republican-attacks-backfire-bernie-sanders-leads-tied-carson-trump.html

It also clear that this line of attack is failing. Sanders runs better against Trump than Hillary Clinton does. Clinton only leads Trump 50%-45% in the CNN poll. The Republican line of attack on Sen. Sanders is going to be exactly what Trump said.

SharpProgress

(23 posts)
28. I read the article, the title of this thread...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:39 PM
Oct 2015

Is wrong.

The article says that Bernie polls better, while both Hillary and Bernie are beating Trump. The difference in the polling: 3% and within the polling margin of error.

As I said, this thread is a misrepresentation of the facts. You know this. Stop acting like a Republican. The sky is not falling.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
109. Oh please
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

I'm acting like a Republican? LOL I wasn't aware I was against national healthcare, a minimum wage and other such thing but hey, if you say so, ok then.

Meanwhile. This. http://www.accidentalsocialist.com/new-poll-sanders-is-a-better-general-election-candidate-than-clinton/

Response to SharpProgress (Reply #6)

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
8. Wow...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

A CBS News article titled Hillary Clinton still leads Democratic race undermines its own title by stating some inconvenient truths regarding favorability numbers:


Just under half of Democratic primary voters nationwide say they would enthusiastically support Clinton if she became the party's nominee. Twenty-seven percent would support her with some reservations and another 11 percent would only back her because she is the nominee. Fourteen percent would not support her in a general election.


From the OP.



MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
10. It is very unlikely that Trump will even be the GOP nominee.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

He'll eliminate himself at some point. Think Marco Rubio. Trump won't be in it at the end, I'm certain.

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
25. In 08' Huckabee won Iowa repub Caucus, 2012 Santorum took it
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

A huge percentage of Iowa Republican caucus voters are hard-core evangelical. This year the evangelicals are enamored w Carson. Just a little context to put those numbers into perspective.

onenote

(42,381 posts)
30. Could you try to be a little consistent?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

One moment you're suggesting that poll numbers this far out shouldn't be relied on (citing the example of Clinton v. Obama at this stage) and the next moment you're relying on this week's numbers showing Carson ahead of Trump as evidence that Trump (or Carson) is a serious candidate.

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
16. Yes, apparently the Koch Bros are considering purchasing Rubio
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

And Club For Growth is planning a massive ad buy to take Trump down. But who knows maybe Trump can survive that.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. There is one thing that allows me to sleep well at night.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

It is the certain knowledge that Sanders will never be president.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
33. You're in luck! Absolutely no candidate is proposing that.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:45 PM
Oct 2015

It's 100% made-up horse shit from the right wing.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
34. You are silly.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:46 PM
Oct 2015

Government control of the means of production is the very basis of all forms of socialism.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
35. And please link to where ANY candidate proposes that. You can't.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

Socialism created the very internet you are currently using. Ever heard of DARPA?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
37. Bernie Sanders has referred to himself as a Socialist on many occasions.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

Prior to his run for the Senate he mostly did so without the "Democratic" qualifier.

By definition, he supports government control of the means of production. He needs to say no more than the fact that he is a Socialist.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
40. So you FAILED to provide a link. Red-bating is what republicans do to frighten the ignorant.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

Why are you using republican tactics on a Democratic website?

Can't you rely on honest arguments to promote your candidate?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
43. I need provide no link as Sanders has described himself as a Socialist on multiple occasions
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Oct 2015

Government control of the means of production is the very basis of ALL FORMS of Socialism.

Maybe you need to brush up on what Socialism is.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
48. Ah, I see what you're doing here! Sorry it took me so long.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

You're playing a "Poe"! Went right over my head at first

Well-done!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
41. He's a Dem Socialist
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:55 PM
Oct 2015

built upon the Scandinavian model.
You're repeating RW talking points.
However some who are currently running are against a $15/hr minimum wage and say it's "too much" and are in league with Wall Street and served as a atty to Monsanto

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
44. Go back to the nineties.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015

He listed himself as a straight up Socialist in the House as a representative from Vermont.

Furthermore, support of government control of the means of production is the basis for ALL FORMS of Socialism.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
61. Oh you want to go back to the 90s do ya?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:16 PM
Oct 2015

We can do that.
The 90s, like when Hillary supported DADT, NAFTA, DOMA and all of those yummy things?
Ya, let's talk about the 90s shall we?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
62. She never called herself a Socialist
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

And I believe you are confusing Bill Clinton for Hillary Clinton. They are two separate people, you know.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
66. hey you said the 90s
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

Let' s start here.

TRUE!

Clinton said "great things about NAFTA until she started running for president."
Barack Obama on Sunday, February 24th, 2008 in Lorain, Ohio

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/25/barack-obama/clinton-has-changed-on-nafta/
She supported her hubbies little pet project, NAFTA
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
73. She's now a Corporatist
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:50 PM
Oct 2015

Check her donor roll. Yeah, I'd much rather have someone who doesn't give a crap about me than someone who DOES. I have principles, you see!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
84. I'll take a "Corporatist" over a self avowed Socialist any day of the week...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

and twice on Sundays.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
58. when the media turns their attention to bernie they wont call him a democratic socialist
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:43 PM
Oct 2015

hell be label a socialist who wants us to be like Denmark which has a 60% tax rate. he will be crushed in the general

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
63. Denmark
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

The happiest place on earth to live? Ya let's do that! I'm game! Free health care, college (they actually PAY kids to go to school) paid vacation. less working hours, a living wage. Let's do that!

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
68. count me in as well but that stuff isnt free and the media can use the price tag to end b.s. chances
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:27 PM
Oct 2015

b/c middle America is not going to vote for a socialist whom they media will say is going to raise their taxes to 60% to pay for it a socialist agenda t

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
110. Democratic socialists don't believe in government control of means of production
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

You are red baiting

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
114. Your Heaven awaits in Somalia...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 02:46 PM
Oct 2015

EVERY COUNTRY (except the likes of Somalia) controls the means of production.

In a healthy society You have to balance Who the production is benefitting. A noted anthropologist pointed out a previously overlooked division in the sphere of "economy". There is a "political economy", which serves the needs of extra-group activity such as defense and external trade, and the "domestic economy" which serves the inner needs of the group in areas such as education, housing, and provision of food.

While there is obviously overlap, when the economic mechanism tilts to one extreme or the other, it is dysfunctional. There is near universal agreement that our system is tilted to an unacceptable extreme. If you deny that, then frankly you aren't worth talking to because there is no place for even the most basic meeting of minds.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
116. You apparently don't know anything about socialism then....
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:29 PM
Oct 2015

Because "government control of the means of production" is not what Sanders is talking about.

onenote

(42,381 posts)
22. Oh FFS. Do you never research the writers you quote?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I'd never rely on anything H. A. Goodman writes. He is motivated by one thing and one thing alone: he hates Clinton.

That's why in the months preceding the article you quote, Goodman wrote an article explaining why he was going to vote for Rand Paul. Then he wrote one entitled "How O'Malley, Webb and Warren can Save the Democrats from Clinton."

It wouldn't surprise me that if Clinton gets the nomination Goodman discovers reasons why we should be voting for Trump.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
24. You mean like all these on The Googlez?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251716331#post20
You should maybe check the Google. Seeing as how several sources are reporting this, not just one.

onenote

(42,381 posts)
46. When its not a credible messenger, yes.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:02 PM
Oct 2015

The reality is that it's too early to make such judgments. Way way way too early.

Look back at 2008. At this stage, several of the polls had Clinton doing better against McCain than Obama. It went back and forth over the next several months.

If Bernie can take some primaries early on, as I hope he does, it will solidify his standing against the repubs. But if he can't overtake Clinton, he will begin to fall off against the repubs -- you can count on it.

So rather than try to make a case based on who can win the General, we should be making the case on the merits of Bernie's positions. Quite honestly, any Democrat -- Bernie or Clinton -- will have a difficult time in the General if the Democrats don't unite behind the nominee and get on with the hard work that is essential for winning an election.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
50. You seem to have to ask that question over and over and over...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:21 PM
Oct 2015

You would think it would at leave give you pause.

"It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."


Nowhere does that say it's okay to encourage discussion with people promoting right wing viewpoints. If you quit bringing in right wing sources, like Ann Coulter, then perhaps you wouldn't get so much flak about the Hillary hating crap you post here.

Just Sayin....





emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
39. Then why highlight Goodman? Best to use your other sources.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

Citing Goodman and Ann Coulter (as you did the other day) as 'truth tellers' is a very poor strategic choice on your part.

I want Bernie to win as you do. If you have other sources (which you do) cite them first.

This is strategic tactical advice I am giving you. Of course you are free not to take it.

Undecided primary voters and persuadable/soft HRC primary supporters do not want to hear the opinions of Rand Paul mouth-pieces or duplicitous right-wing commentators.

Using them is a good way to instantly alienate those potential Bernie voters.

That does nothing to help get more people to stand for Bernie on caucus and primary day.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
42. Yawn.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

I'll cite whom I wish. This isn't a "No! I want you to write it this way!" lit forum.
And yet you're calling out a fellow Bernie supporter? Ya that's a win win there isn't it now? lol

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
45. It is tactical advise about how to persuade voters to vote for Bernie
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:01 PM
Oct 2015

As I said you are free to continue down your path, but in my opinion it is counter-productive to your goals.

Have a nice afternoon.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. Trump has already acknowledged this. He says he wants Hiillary to win the nomination because 'she
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

will be easier to beat'.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
56. yes, and because of trumps mixed policy positions,
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015

for example he is against the TPP, he has expressed potential support for a single-payer type system for healthcare, he's turning down super PAC money., He's going to have a tremendous amount of crossover appeal to independents and conservative Democrats. Especially those who are ambivalent about Hillary or out right hate her. Hillary will not be able to overcome what ever presidential candidate they come up with. Bernie will crush any of them easily. His biggest problem is hrc in the primary, not the general election Republican. Which is kind of ironic and discouraging, but I still think he's going to take it all the way.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
57. because we should always believe everything Trump has to say?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015

as if he isn't playing the game the rest of the GOP are already employing....and that is to damage Hillary as much as possible, play it quiet with Sanders, in order to help Sanders along the Primary way. The GOP are going out of their way to ignore Sanders. One day Trump slipped up and pounced on Sanders, and then remebered that Sanders was supposed to be assisted and not hurt in the Primaries. Notice that nothing has been said since? Once the GOP goes full throttle on Bernie, the numbers will swing wildly and the Bernie will have been repsonsible for ushering in the era of Trump.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
85. no one has challenged or attacked Bernie ...once they do............
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

he could never withstand the shit that has been hurled at hillary for 20+ years. He looks good because they are helping his look good in the famous polls that Bernie Supporters hate, except when the talking points are convenient.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
86. I was just explaining why Trump said what he said! And you need to learn a bit more about
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders if you think he has never been attacked by anyone. He handles Repubicans better than anyone I have ever seen, as his long record of doing so, demonstrates.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
92. and you need to learn that Bernie is being coddled.....
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

and held to a much gentler, kinder standard of political attacks.

AND Trump isn't going to get the GOP nod, so there is that.

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
59. I really don't know why anyone on DU would promote Trump as a truth-teller
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

It really defies logic. He's a liar.

I have no fucking clue who he really wants to run against. All I know is that I wouldn't believe a word he said even if his tongue came notarized.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
80. Who's promoting him as a truth teller? He's looking at the 'scientific' polls we hear so much about
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:00 PM
Oct 2015

on DU. Bernie is trashing him in polls, and he knows it.

I guess now those scientific polls are no longer scientific, or whatever.

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
93. IMHO it is better to quote the polls than quote asshole lying Republicans.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

As if they are paragons of truth. They are notorious for lying. He's a duplicitous jerk.

The polling looks great for Bernie. Let's leave Trump quotes to the gullible Freepers.

Of course you should do whatever you want, I am simply expressing my opinion about Donanld Trump's lack of credibility.

Have a nice afternoon.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
69. Trump won't be the nominee
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:29 PM
Oct 2015

Now Carson is the flavor of the week. He is tops over Trump in two new polls out of Iowa. Trump's support, I'd say, is a mile wide and only an inch deep. If he loses Iowa he'll see his support collapse everywhere.

p.s.
I think any democrat we nominate could beat Trump or any Republican.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
71. Ah, finally some common sense
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

The probability that the Republican Party will run Donald Trump as their nominee for POTUS is in fractions of a per cent IMHO. Therefore, how Trump would fare against Bernie, Hillary, or the Jolly Green Giant is of little consequence.

We're not gonna find out, not that we cared all that much in the first place (I hope!).

Gore1FL

(21,032 posts)
74. Donald Trump will do a fine job of beating Donald Trump.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:53 PM
Oct 2015

Any of our potential nominees can beat him in a general.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
76. And only Bernie Sanders can recover one or more houses of Congress.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

He alone already has about 2/3 support from the 75,000,000 millennials in this country, of which only 10% voted in the last federal elections.

If no house of Congress can be carried by the Democrats, then what does it matter who's elected? Bernie has already told you that! Just four more years of diatribe and stagnation will ensue.

The millennials will never vote for Hillary. She will just sit in the Oval Office with a weak smile for four years unable to do anything - or worst yet, to give up and cave to the Republicans.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
81. It's a simple argument that HRC supporters are afraid to address
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:00 PM
Oct 2015

Lukewarm enthusiasm from the Democrats means low voter turnout, plus less than tepid support from independents (barely 27 percent of independents hold a favorable view of Clinton), plus rabid hate from the right and everyone else is an equation for losing the GE.

No coattails for other Democrats, no majorities in Congress and a Commander in Chief that no one trusts and who actually represents the 1% (as soon as the primaries are over) and that the Republicans will spend all their energy tying into knots.

At this point, the only candidate that can bypass this dumbfuck scenario is Sanders.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
94. If H.A was paying attention he would see Trump is already slipping...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:48 PM
Oct 2015

Don't take DSB's word for it. Check IA and NAT'L aggregate polling...

Most of his campaign rests on him bragging about leading in the polls...Once he loses this bragging/talking point his descent will be precipitous.

 

moabfan

(48 posts)
100. I agree with this article. Bernie is the answer for the nomination, not Clinton. While admirable,
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton's performance has nothing to do with the current issues at hand.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
105. Why? Is he going to steal his chair when he and Donald take a tour....
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:31 PM
Oct 2015

of President Hillary Clinton's White House???? How rude!

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
107. That's silly talk. First, Rubio or Bush will stop Trump. If they fail, Clinton is not as strong as
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders, but she has better that a 50%-50% chance against Trump.

Sanders matches better (for us) with Trump ; but Clinton matches OK, too.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
115. DSB is anything but unfair.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

When Donald Trump quits the race on or before the "SEC Primary" can we all agree Mr. Goodman is a political novice who should be opining about anything but politics?


Thank you in advance.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
117. Very doubtful as Trump will need about 42% of the Hispanic vote to win
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

He will be lucky to get 20%. He has almost no chance unless a big scandal hits the Democratic candidate.
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