Clinton Embraces Obama After Sanders Suggests Need for Break

[Historic NY]

Democrat Hillary Clinton says at Virginia rally that as president, she would “build on the progress we’ve made under President Obama.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2015-10-23/clinton-embraces-obama-after-sanders-suggests-need-for-break

[mmonk]

1. The hook can be baited but we aren't biting.

[artislife]

9. It's like watching Lindsey Lohan

in the Parent Trap. Which twin is she?

[Cali_Democrat]

2. This is smart

Obama has an 86% approval rating among liberal dems and an 84% approval rating among blacks. It doesn't make any sense to try to break away from him in the primaries.

Sanders is a fool if he thinks that's a winning strategy.

[bravenak]

3. I agree Cali_Democrat.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Hey there! Welcome back!

[bravenak]

5. Thank you!!

The Hillary people took me in and kept me safe while I was gone! But I did catch Stockholm Syndrome.

[JaneyVee]

8. And I saw a poll saying 76% of Democrats want...

Next prez to continue and build on Obama policy.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Which is what Bernie said, just that we need to not rest on our laurels and continue to make

life better for more Americans. Right now in 29 States people can be and are denied employment and housing for being LGBT. Right now in all States there is a lack of equality in the justice system, the courts and the police forces. So when you say you do not agree that we have accomplished much but still have much more very important work to be done you are saying those 29 States are fine with you and that the injustice and racism we see needs no further effort, we have arrived, we are there, this is it, as good as it gets. I do not accept that.

[uponit7771]

22. Sanders said at one time Obama needed to be primaried.... don't know how that works as support

... and also the whole "revolution" thing without details is starting to sound like pie in the sky

[Skidmore]

23. The reason it sounds that way is that it

relies too heavily on one office to do the entire work of all government and ignores the make up of the Congress, state executive and legislative bodies, county and municipal offices, and all levels of the courts. The Koch machine didn't ignore even the office of dogcatcher. The presidency is important now for Supreme Court appointments and veto powers. Beyond that, there is much heavy lifting to be done all over the nation.

[enid602]

33. candidates

Where is the list of congressional candidates who are running on Bernie's platform? I have a feeling the number is proportional to the number of congress people that have endorsed him.

[Skidmore]

34. Good point. nt

[upaloopa]

26. That revolution idea scares people. It is like a group of folks are going to come and take over,

Like people are going to be forced to abide by the principles of a segment of society.

"up against the wall muther fucker!"

[Armstead]

31. People are slready being forced to abide by the principles....

Of a segment if society . The Ruling Corporate Class.

That was the impact of the Reagan Revolution.

At some point we have to start countering that.

[upaloopa]

36. I knew that would be the reply. What I posted is 100% correct and you prove it.

[Armstead]

37. The only alternative to Government by Corporation is "Up Against the Wall?"

You are proving a stereotype yourself.

Hell, if you'd said "You're wrong. Corporations don't have too much power. Here's why....." It might be easier to take you more seriously.

[AgingAmerican]

50. No it doesn't

It only scares Hillary and the Republicans

[sabrina 1]

15. Sanders is honest. He doesn't say things he doesn't mean. Hillary otoh, well, we know what she SAYS

during campaigns, but we also know her record on major issues.

Watch what they DO not what they SAY.

[Scootaloo]

27. So, what, Obama supports shooting down Russians in Syria now?

Seems that would be a pretty noteworthy change of position. When did he move to endorse clinton's desire for a unilateral no-fly zone?

...Oh wait. "that doesn't count"?

[kelliekat44]

29. Do people really listen to what Hillary says or just hear what they want? What does a no fly zone

mean? Maybe we should understand what is being proposed first. You don't have to agree with it but at least understand it.

[Scootaloo]

30. it means a place where unauthorized flight is deterred through military means

I.e., you fucking get shot at. What, do you imagine Commander in Chief Clinton out there with a bullhorn, telling Russian pilots "Hey! You! Cut it out!" or something?

Whatever you think a no-fly zone is, the fac remains? Clinton supports putting one in effect over Syria. President Obama does not.

[treestar]

41. Most voters don't care what happens in Syria

Most of the voters cheer for any war started by a Republican President. They ignore any war started by a Democratic President.

[Scootaloo]

46. Oh, well... bombs away then, I guess.

[treestar]

48. if you were around in 1991 or 2003

you'd know all about that.

Vast numbers of voters who are not as sensitive as we are to foreigners dying.

[Scootaloo]

49. "We"?

You're coming up with arguments why Clinton's plan to start an armed conflict with Russia over Syria is okey-dokey, based on the presumed apathy of voters... And you're saying WE care about foreigners dying?

[DCBob]

32. I also think she shouldn't break away from him in the general as well.

Even though the President approval ratings are a bit underwater he is still a strong political force and loved and respected in this country. He is an asset.

[Cha]

53. Yes, smart reality.. BS must think it's a winning strategy bc he's doing it.

[MohRokTah]

6. Abd yet, I've seen the ridiculous notion that most Obama supporters should be supporting Sanders...

on this very forum!

[sabrina 1]

18. This Obama supporter IS supporting Sanders. And this headline is a lie btw. Sanders said

pretty much the same thing, give credit to the President where it is due and then 'we need to do more'.

I know I am glad I supported Obama over Hillary in 2008. While she pushes for war, see Libya and Syria (and Iraq of course) he and Biden have restrained the war hawks as much as he could.

Same thing with Ukr. He is far too smart to go along with the neocons pushing for a war with Russia, see Nuland et al.

Hillary however in his position, I have no doubt the neocons would have had a much easier time. Another reason I support Sanders.

Big issue now for most Americans, our Imperial wars. We need to know where candidates stand on these disastrous invasions.

[treestar]

40. Quit claiming to be an Obama supporter

You may have voted for him in 2008 but you have been relentlessly critical ever since.

You are only proving you are looking for a New Messiah, and have not learned about Congress over the years.

[sabrina 1]

52. How dare you question my support for a candidate. Who are you, do you know me? I supported Obama

and worked hard for his campaign and wth are YOU to question that?

And I remember well the same arguments against his chances of winning as we are hearing now against Bernie's. Exactly the same.

And if Bernie IS elected and focrgets HIS campaign promises, YOU can BET that I will be on his case just as much as I am on Obama's for HIS reversals on policies.

UNeffingbelievable!! Do you IGNORE it when politicians betray their campaign promises?

I do NOT.

You are definitely PROJECTING what YOU want onto me. I want candidates who do NOT say one thing in campaigns, then do something else once elected.

And do NOT expect people to ignore these betrayals. Whether it is Bernie or Obama.

You otoh, seem to turn a blind eye to these things. I'm thinking your 'looking for a Messiah' garbage applies to you rather than ME. I want no messiahs.

I want politicians who TELL THE TRUTH about POLICIES they plan to FIGHT FOR. PERIOD!

[treestar]

56. You have been relentlessly critical of Obama

for years. How dare you claim to be his supporter?

[Scootaloo]

28. This Obama supporter does.

And i'm also noting that the same people who were snarling in in fury about Obama's nomination happen to be first in line to get their daily two-minute hate against Sanders nowadays.

Huh. Crazy, irrational hatred directed at a black candidate in 2008 from Clinton supporters... and now crazy irrational hatred directed at a Jewish candidate in 2015 from Clinton supporters. It's almost like some sort of... pattern.

[MohRokTah]

38. You aren't most Obama supporters.

Most Obama supporters support Hillary

[Scootaloo]

45. I didn't claim to be. I was just responding to your silly little sneer.

[MohRokTah]

47. Then you responded falsely

As my post talked about MOST Obama supporters.

[Cha]

54. Yeah, in their wildest ********* dreams.. at least all the ones I know.

[bunnies]

7. Oh FFS. Bernie said basically the same thing.

“We should give Obama and Biden credit for what they have accomplished, and understand that we need to go much further,” he said.

This is getting ridiculous.

[riderinthestorm]

11. Agreed. This is an ugly and baseless smear

the full quote and context is clear that Sanders means getting the big $$ and SuperPACs out of politics and the media.

Despite Vice President Joe Biden’s plea for the next president not to “undo” the legacy of President Obama, Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders told MSNBC on Wednesday that his presidency would be a “course correction.” During an interview with Chris Hayes, the self-described democratic socialist confessed that while he is a “personal friend” of Obama and Biden, Sanders wants a “political revolution” to undo the power structure controlled by “corporate America and the Koch brothers and the corporate media."

The bullshit is ridiculous and taking it out of context is a Rethug tactic. Ugh

[bunnies]

13. Pretty soon it will be "Bernie hates Obama!!"

Give it time.

[Fawke Em]

14. They already tried that two months ago.

Didn't stick then. Won't stick now.

[bunnies]

17. I dont understand the love affair with the corporate controlled status quo.

For the life of me I cant wrap my fucking head around it. I used to wonder why some people just give up on politics but I think Im starting to understand.

[hedda_foil]

43. They don't believe it's true.

I know because I was that way throughout the Clinton years, all the way to 2003. We experience extreme cognitive dissonance when someone argues against some of our most firmly held beliefs. It's human nature to fight back when it feels like our entire view of the world is being challenged. In this case, it's the belief that Hillary will save us from the Republicans and that Bernie can't.

We're all Dems, but fact based research over many years on DU has helped many of us break through the belief that Hillary and Bill are economic liberals. It's not a pleasant experience.

[jfern]

25. Lies become truth if said enough times

Like when Hillary claimed there was an Iraq Al Qaeda connection.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I agree with you.

It is getting ridiculous. They basically said the same thing. If anything, Bernie is adding appeal to new issues that were largely ignored.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. I can't even believe these people saying we don't have to go further.

That they feel there is no further work to do yet the state of civil rights in America is abysmal, activists fill the streets and on some days DUers claim to agree with them that we need massive change. But on days when Bernie says we need to go further, those same people are suddenly content with our place on the ladder and declare that we have done enough.

The bulk of this country allows legal discrimination against LGBT but Hillary says we have done enough and her supporters agree with that?

Fuck that.

[bunnies]

19. ^^ This. Right here. ^^

[ecstatic]

24. "BUILD on the progress we’ve made under President Obama.”

How does that equate to stopping progress? Oh, that's right. It doesn't. See how easy it to say the same thing without smearing the current president? Like others have already said, that's a losing strategy.

[arcane1]

51. Well-said!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Uh-huh. No Sale.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. We need to go further vs We will build on.

What does that mean as far as investigating the banking industry? Was there anything in the works that we can build on?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. It is my dispassionate observation...

It is my dispassionate observation that nothing can be more stupid than running away from the Obama legacy in the Democratic primary and events will soon confirm my observation.

[Armstead]

42. There's a diffeence between "running away from" and trying to move the ball forward

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Res ipsa loquitur

Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders appeared on “All In With Chris Hayes” last night to discuss the trajectory of the Democratic primary — in particular, whether the potential nominees would consider their candidacies a continuation of the Obama presidency.

Sanders said that while on issues like climate change, he could see himself embracing the Obama legacy, on the more significant issue of the influence of Wall Street on public policy, a Sanders administration would be vastly different than its predecessor..

“I think we’ve got to go further,” he argued. “I think we need to stand up to Wall Street in a way that the President and the Vice President have not.”


http://tinyurl.com/neoj4un

The Vermont senator should be applauded for his candor.

In any case, Hillary Clinton is running to continue the Obama legacy, tailored to the demands of a ever changing situation, and Senator Sanders seems to be repudiating it. As a small d Democrat I am content to let my fellow Democrats hash this out in the upcoming primary season, i.e. if you liked the Obama years and thought he did a good job you like Hillary, if you don't, you like Bernie. The voters have a real choice.

[Cha]

55. It is my observation, too.

[Autumn]

39. .

Yeah sure, Bernie said that