Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:15 AM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
Will Hilary continue the "Trickle Down Recovery" for the 99%
Not that it hasn't worked out very well for the 1% - but as everyone in this country can tell you Work Class Wages have gone down - A LOT
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The Obama years have been brutal on middle-class incomes. The Presidential race is boiling down to one dominant issue: which party's policies will do more to help the financially stressed American middle class. President Obama's campaign theme is that Mitt Romney and the Republicans cater to the rich, while Mr. Obama cares about struggling families. ![]() http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303822204577468750027784434 Reminds me of the joke Mam don't let anybody tell you that ain't the greatest thing in the whole wide world - but I don't think I can take ....
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FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | OP |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #1 | |
FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | #2 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #11 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #13 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #15 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #17 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #52 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #53 | |
JRLeft | Oct 2015 | #77 | |
spin | Oct 2015 | #22 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #24 | |
olegramps | Oct 2015 | #31 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #32 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2015 | #43 | |
brooklynite | Oct 2015 | #86 | |
Thinkingabout | Oct 2015 | #56 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #57 | |
Thinkingabout | Oct 2015 | #59 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #61 | |
Thinkingabout | Oct 2015 | #62 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #65 | |
Thinkingabout | Oct 2015 | #66 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #68 | |
Thinkingabout | Oct 2015 | #69 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #70 | |
Erich Bloodaxe BSN | Oct 2015 | #3 | |
FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | #5 | |
GoneFishin | Oct 2015 | #4 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #12 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #14 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #16 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #20 | |
Joe Turner | Oct 2015 | #37 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #39 | |
Fawke Em | Oct 2015 | #63 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #51 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #54 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #58 | |
cantbeserious | Oct 2015 | #60 | |
Fawke Em | Oct 2015 | #64 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #71 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #75 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #81 | |
truedelphi | Oct 2015 | #72 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #73 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #80 | |
truedelphi | Oct 2015 | #84 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #87 | |
truedelphi | Oct 2015 | #88 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #89 | |
raouldukelives | Oct 2015 | #79 | |
Live and Learn | Oct 2015 | #21 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #47 | |
Live and Learn | Oct 2015 | #50 | |
stillwaiting | Oct 2015 | #6 | |
FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | #8 | |
daleanime | Oct 2015 | #7 | |
shenmue | Oct 2015 | #29 | |
JoePhilly | Oct 2015 | #9 | |
FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | #10 | |
JoePhilly | Oct 2015 | #18 | |
FreakinDJ | Oct 2015 | #67 | |
cpompilo | Oct 2015 | #23 | |
JoePhilly | Oct 2015 | #25 | |
Live and Learn | Oct 2015 | #36 | |
treestar | Oct 2015 | #82 | |
DanTex | Oct 2015 | #19 | |
JoePhilly | Oct 2015 | #26 | |
Dem2 | Oct 2015 | #85 | |
Evergreen Emerald | Oct 2015 | #27 | |
shenmue | Oct 2015 | #28 | |
shenmue | Oct 2015 | #30 | |
treestar | Oct 2015 | #83 | |
BainsBane | Oct 2015 | #33 | |
Joe Turner | Oct 2015 | #35 | |
BainsBane | Oct 2015 | #41 | |
Joe Turner | Oct 2015 | #45 | |
lewebley3 | Oct 2015 | #48 | |
Joe Turner | Oct 2015 | #34 | |
reformist2 | Oct 2015 | #38 | |
Scuba | Oct 2015 | #76 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Oct 2015 | #40 | |
BeanMusical | Oct 2015 | #42 | |
99th_Monkey | Oct 2015 | #44 | |
whereisjustice | Oct 2015 | #46 | |
in_cog_ni_to | Oct 2015 | #49 | |
orpupilofnature57 | Oct 2015 | #55 | |
kelliekat44 | Oct 2015 | #74 | |
Scuba | Oct 2015 | #78 |
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:16 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
1. Well Duh - HRC Is Owned Lock, Stock And Barrel By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:17 AM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
2. BINGO !!!
They obviously LOVE the poll numbers
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:48 AM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
11. Hillary owns Hillary
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #11)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
13. Dream On - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own HRC
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #13)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:51 AM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
15. Sanders supporters, bah bah bah bah
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:54 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
17. Routine Response By HRC Supporters When Nothing More Constructive Can Be Said
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #17)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:42 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
52. Sanders supporters are not contructive they bash Hillary!
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #52)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:55 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
53. Au Contraire - Have Consistently Highlighted That HRC Is Owned By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #53)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:00 AM
JRLeft (7,010 posts)
77. Facts are bashing. Why because her supporters cannot bunk them.
Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:03 AM
spin (17,493 posts)
22. The oligarchs also own almost everybody we elect and send to Washington, D.C. ...
I don't believe they own Bernie.
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Response to spin (Reply #22)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:07 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
24. Right On - The Money Corruption Of Democracy Is The Defining Issue Of Today
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:19 AM
olegramps (8,200 posts)
31. The working class screwed their own selfs.
They swallowed the corporate propaganda hook, line and sinker. You don't need unions to protect you; they are only using the dues from your hard work to enrich themselves. They bought the same propaganda and flocked to the polls to vote in Right to Work Laws that were solely designed to destroy unions. What did they get in return, massive outsourcing of jobs, pensions cut and their health insurance canceled.
There was an ancillary result that has proven to be devastating for the workers. The unions having been seriously crippled were unable to get progressive legislators elected to represent their interest. The only time that those running for office showed any interest in the unions causes was at election time to pick up the check. There is one and only way for the workers to recover, that is unionization. This will enable them to actually elect progressives that will represent their interest and the rightful distribution of the fruits of the labor. It is the only path to repel of tax laws that have impoverished the workers and enrich the 1% of parasites who are sucking the live blood out the workers. The issues that must be addressed span the entire spectrum from health care and greed pharmaceuticals companies to minimum wage laws, pensions, fair taxes, etc. |
Response to olegramps (Reply #31)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:20 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
32. All Too True - Mission Accomplished By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks
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Response to olegramps (Reply #31)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
mountain grammy (25,123 posts)
43. Yep, 1980 and ever since.
Response to olegramps (Reply #31)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:40 PM
brooklynite (84,368 posts)
86. Kucinich '08!
Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:09 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
56. Owned by corporations, say like Lockheed, yes we know who is owned by
Lockheed, the F-35 group, keeping the project going.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #56)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:20 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
57. Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #57)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:26 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
59. Yes, we know who is involved, Sanders is rewarding Lockheed.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #59)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:03 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
61. Are You Insinuating That Lockheed Has Contributed To The Sanders Campaign
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #61)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:05 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
62. You say that, I did not.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #62)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:14 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
65. No - You Implied Same With Your Post - Do Not Attribute Comments To Me That Do Not Apply
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #65)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:18 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
66. Am I responsible for your words? No, again your words not mine.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #66)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:24 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
68. No - You Insinuated - I Am Not Responsible For Your Words - You Are
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #68)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:27 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
69. I take full responsibility for my words.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #69)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:28 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
70. Good - Go Reread Your Post
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:19 AM
Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)
3. The 'recovery' was always an 'average'. On 'average', the economy recovered.
In reality, the Republican economic team Obama kept in place successfully guided the vast majority of the recovery to the wealthy, while the rest of us still stayed screwed, just maybe not quite as screwed. All the while proclaiming that we were 'saved' from disaster, while for most, we're still falling towards the ground, just more slowly. We'll still splat when we hit.
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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #3)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:30 AM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
5. How much did they spend in Tax Payer Dollars on the Wealthy Elite
including MANY foreign investors
What $4Trillion .... give or take a couple $Billion and thanks to the many lucrative Tax Loop Holes the majority of that money will be repaid on the backs of the Working Class, our children and our grandchildren |
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:29 AM
GoneFishin (5,217 posts)
4. The wealthy are her friends, family, advisers, and donors. Life is good for her. Why change?
She's got hers.
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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:49 AM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
12. Hillary worked for everything she has, and she has share just about everything
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #12)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
14. All Enabled By Her Friends - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #14)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:52 AM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
16. No, most the Corporations have gotten their help from the GOP
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #16)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
20. One Only Has To Review Campaign Contributions To Uncover Who Owns HRC
Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks!
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #20)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:30 AM
Joe Turner (930 posts)
37. The HRC supporters don't care much for the truth
It's all about what she said last week. How anyone can have confidence that in that is bewildering given her long track record of carrying water for the corporate community.
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Response to Joe Turner (Reply #37)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:37 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
39. All Too True
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Response to Joe Turner (Reply #37)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:08 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
63. They're too busy moaning in another thread about how Sanders supporters
didn't want to hear Clinton talk.
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #20)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:41 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
51. Sorry, as I said before no owns Hillary
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #51)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:58 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
54. HRC Is Owned By Campaign Financiers - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #54)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:26 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
58. That is just your bashing opinion!
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #58)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:47 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
60. Hardly - Do Your Own Research
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #58)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:10 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
64. It's not bashing to point out the truth.
I'm sorry if you don't like the truth, but it is what it is.
Hillary has been corporate-owned since at least 1986: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1 |
Response to Fawke Em (Reply #64)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:06 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
71. Not the truth
Response to cantbeserious (Reply #20)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:55 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
75. You are drawing conclusions from your bias Sanders opinion
Response to cantbeserious (Reply #20)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:21 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
81. Again no one owns Hillary, she cannot be brought: She will make her own decisions
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #16)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:18 PM
truedelphi (32,324 posts)
72. It is so sad these days - to be
On a discussion forum where I once used the Bwhahahaha! expression only to mock the daily happenings of the RW and their weird cast of outlaws.
And now I have to use it on people who supposedly should know better. If you support Hillary Clinton because you are of the investment class and don't give a crap about anyone else, why, good for you. But if you're part of the lower 95%, start getting educated. |
Response to truedelphi (Reply #72)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:41 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
73. I am supporting Hillary because she is a talented leader of Dem party
You are an idealoge, its people like you that cause the Dem's
lose seats at the center power. The GOP love it when Dem's attack their own. Your false statements against the Hillary help the GOP. Hillary and the Dem party are fighters for the middle class, if they weren't they would join the GOP: they are investment class, you need to start living in real world. |
Response to truedelphi (Reply #72)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:09 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
80. Unions are not the 1% and they are backing Hillary: Hillary is progressive enough them!
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #80)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:36 PM
truedelphi (32,324 posts)
84. The more conservative the union, the more likely they back Hillary.
Prison Guard Unions, big city police officers unions - they go for Clinton.
Nurses Unions across the country are supporting Bernie. |
Response to truedelphi (Reply #84)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:19 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
87. Unions are not part of the 1%: Whether they are lib or Con: They are the middle Class
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #87)
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:57 PM
truedelphi (32,324 posts)
88. You have apparently been blind to all the decades of corruption
And perhaps you have not noticed how the union "leaders" so often do the bidding of the One Percent.
So although in theory you are right - the union members are not part of the One Percent (at least in terms of rank and file members) - so what are the union leaders getting as quid pro quo in not maintaining the high safety standards, in not seeing to it that people are adequately paid, etc? |
Response to truedelphi (Reply #88)
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:11 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
89. Wrong: The Unions are the middle class: corruption is a human thing not a union thing!
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #16)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:02 AM
raouldukelives (5,178 posts)
79. Corporations have gotten the most help from shareholders.
Secondly, the GOP.
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #12)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
21. "She has share (sic) just about everything" Please explain how you came to that conclusion.
On their tax returns for the years 2007 through 2014, the Clintons’ reported combined income of $139 million. Hillary Clinton said in a statement that she and her husband paid $43.9 million in federal income taxes and $13.6 million in state and local taxes over those years, for an effective total tax rate of 45.8 percent.
The couple contributed $15 million to charitable contributions over the last eight years, she said. Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article29711881.html#storylink=cpy Let's see, 139 (earned) - 43.9 (taxes) = 95.1 95.1 - 15 (Charity) = 80.1 (million she kept for herself) She shared approximately 10.8% of her pre-tax dollars. How does that become just about everything? |
Response to Live and Learn (Reply #21)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:03 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
47. The figures show the Clintons are very generous, and they pay their taxes
Mitt had not paid taxes in ten years, and his money was sent out of the country. |
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #47)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:37 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
50. LOL So compared to Mitt Romney, Hillary is generous and pays her taxes? Okay.
I'll give you that much. She is better than Mitt. That is not saying too much though.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:47 AM
stillwaiting (3,795 posts)
6. One problem I have with Obama and Hillary BOTH is that
neither one brings this reality to light. They don't point to this occurrence with the frustration and commitment to improve it that this situation deserves.
When they talk about a recovery while this economic fact is a reality they absolutely deserve some level of criticism that they face. The recovery benefitted a very small part of the American population, and the majority continued to lose economic ground. When Democrats don't point this out while simultaneously putting forth policies and solutions to turn this around, why should we have faith that they are fighting for our interests? It seems more likely they are trying to mollify, coddle, and snow us. Not to mention that it weakens the Democratic brand with working class individuals. Politically aware conservatives are certainly aware of this economic reality. When Democrats don't raise holy hell about it, what are we to say when conservatives claim that liberals only care about the wealthy and not the working class? When our Party's leaders don't point this economic reality out consistently and angrily (by blaming the Republican Party for obstructing progressive solutions) conservatives that actually pay attention to politics are going to come to certain conclusions. Ultimately, there is NO reason for working class Americans to support the Republican Party, but when Democratic Party leaders obfuscate this economic reality, what chance do they have to get working class conservatives to wake up and see that the Democratic Party is the party that will fight for their economic well-being? |
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #6)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:08 AM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
8. Even Bill Maher did that the other night in defense of Obama's economic policy
He pointed out all the achievements and Wall St advances while completely omitting Working class wages and standard of living has gone down
And YES it is so frustrating to me. Even many Trump supporters are trying to claim he would do more to help the working class The WHOLE country, a very clear majority have this at the forefront of issues when they are selecting a candidate |
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:08 AM
daleanime (17,796 posts)
7. Job-less recoveries have become the norm.....
because jobs, and working wages, are not what they are trying to recover.
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Response to daleanime (Reply #7)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:16 AM
shenmue (38,387 posts)
29. Hiring is always the last thing to increase.
It comes after companies buy supplies.
Economics books, how do they work? |
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:26 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
9. Do you notice the uptick in wages at the end of your chart??
Do you know why it is there?
I'll explain it for you. The reason that is there is because wages will not go up until you a sustained low UE. When UE is high and increasing, as it was on the day Obama took office, you have more workers competing for fewer jobs. Wages drop as a result. Conversely, when UE is low, and stays that way, employers have to compete for a smaller number of better workers. As one might expect, the WSJ attempts to blame Obama for a wage drop that's actually the result of the Bush recession. And its not uncommon for the RW to attempt to shift the blame for this simple fact to Obama. And something some one from the left helps them carry that RW water. So in answer to your question. Yes, we want to continue Obama's economy ... it's brought UE down to a point at which wages can finally begin to increase again. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:36 AM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
10. Would you prefer a 40 yr trend
Wake up and smell the Working Class suppression my friend
These are just continued policies of Reagan administration the Dems cant seem to gather the backbone to undo. That or they just can't look their wealthy 1% neighbor in the eye at their pool party ... |
Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #10)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:54 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
18. You blame Obama, while carrying water for WSJ ...
... and ignored the fact that increases in wages require low UE, period.
Low UE is not about trickle down. It's about ensuring that there is enough cash moving through the economy so that demand for goods and services remain high. The stimulus helped do that. Ending the tax breaks for those above 400k did that, extending UE insurance did that, the ACA does it too. Now, if you think running against Obama is a good strategy for Bernie, by all means stuck with it. I'm sure you'll get lots of Obama supporters to switch by claiming Hillary is just as awful as Obama. Please proceed. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #18)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:20 PM
FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)
67. Against Obama's Trickle Down Recovery - Gladly
actually - we already are
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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:07 AM
cpompilo (323 posts)
23. The line is jagged within a year primarily due to seasonal job fluctuation.
Based on this chart, your claim is unsubstantiated.
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Response to cpompilo (Reply #23)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
25. As long as UE stays low, the line will continue to move upwards.
The point I've made is a rather simple fact of economics.
The other thing to recognize ... with low UE, employers have to lure good employees away from other jobs. That process takes more time than the reverse, in which people who have been out of work JUMP at a low paying job just to get in the door. For a number of years now, folks in the RW have pointed at that same trend line to claim the Obama economy is the problem. And I would explain that we would NOT see wages rise until UE fell to about 5%, and stayed there. And that's exactly what has happened, and will continue to happen. Well, unless we let the GOP take control. They'll work to screw the economy up yet again. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:27 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
36. Balderdash. Then explain these:
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #9)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
treestar (80,791 posts)
82. My first thought too, really they are actually blaming Obama
for what was clearly an occurrence started in the Bush administration? SMH.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
DanTex (20,709 posts)
19. Wow a WSJ pro-Romney editorial from 2012. What will the Hillary bashers come up with next?
Response to DanTex (Reply #19)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
26. Another indication of just how well Hillary did in that Benghazi hearing.
Response to DanTex (Reply #19)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
85. I thought this post looked familiar
Not cool.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
Evergreen Emerald (13,004 posts)
27. You spelled Hillary wrong...and that is just the beginning of what you got wrong.
Certainly undeserving of honest discussion.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:15 AM
shenmue (38,387 posts)
28. Don't anti-Obama people belong on an anti-Democratic board?
Let's just dispense with the board name and call it Anything You Want Underground.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
shenmue (38,387 posts)
30. Quoting the Wall Street Journal? What the fuck is this shit?
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Response to shenmue (Reply #30)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:25 PM
treestar (80,791 posts)
83. Kind of ironic that "Wall Street" and its journal are
suddenly trustworthy! Isn't Wall Street the home of the corporations, the banksters and most importantly, the oligarchs?
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:23 AM
BainsBane (52,298 posts)
33. Why don't you look at her website to see the policies she's suggested to address this?
Response to BainsBane (Reply #33)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:27 AM
Joe Turner (930 posts)
35. It's all talk with Hillary
Her positions are always changing with the political wind. One has to look at her record to understand where she is coming from. And it ain't pretty.
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Response to Joe Turner (Reply #35)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:40 AM
BainsBane (52,298 posts)
41. It is not all talk
She has substantive policy proposals, FAR more substantive than Sanders.
Her voting record also bears little resemblance to how people here portray here. I would wager you haven't looked at that either. You don't care about actual policy, so be it. Keep to the world of internet meme and soundbite. Frankly, I have come to expect nothing else. The link is provided for those who care about issues and policy rather than simply personality politics. |
Response to BainsBane (Reply #41)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:05 PM
Joe Turner (930 posts)
45. Policy proposals that will be quicky dismissed
once elected. If you want to know what her actual, in office, policy proposals will be look at who funds her campaign. We don't need a replay of Obama's broken promises.
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Response to Joe Turner (Reply #35)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:04 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
48. Hillary has been a loyal fighting Dem for 30 years: Her values don't change
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:24 AM
Joe Turner (930 posts)
34. Does the sun rise every morning?
HRC like Obama is owned by Wall Street. There will be no relief here. I really don't know most democrats are expecting out of Hillary. Her record is clear and in line with republican economic policies. It's amazing how many are blindsided by this.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:37 AM
reformist2 (9,841 posts)
38. Attention party loyalists: The point of this thread is that the status quo is NOT OK.
Never mind that Bush and the Repugs crashed the economy. It's been 8 years, and why haven't incomes recovered??? Could it be that our fearless leaders in the Democratic party are following a pro-free-trade, anti-union, neo-liberal, capitalist agenda not all that different from the evil Repugs? Sadly, this is exactly what's been happening. Which is why we want new leadership. We don't want more of the same Wall Street cronyism. ![]() |
Response to reformist2 (Reply #38)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:57 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
76. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:40 AM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
40. Probably. But, there will be plenty of new job openings in the military.
Not to mention the job security for the troops with a neo-lib prez.
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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #40)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:50 AM
BeanMusical (4,389 posts)
42. +1
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:58 AM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
44. Given Hill's Bankster backers, ya think?
Oh, excuse me .. I meant to say all those 'employees' of Bankster pacs.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:22 PM
whereisjustice (2,941 posts)
46. Here comes the TPP - the biggest corporate welfare program since ACA and NAFTA. We love CEOs!
Meanwhile, my insurance premiums are going up another at least another 10% this year with reduced benefits. There are indications the company is going to drop insurance benefits for employees in next 2 or 3 years. Of course wage are frozen on the account of the bad economy.
Oh, and vacations. Company is investigating taking them away. Yep. Here's how it works... company is going to say they have unlimited vacation time (unpaid, with manager approval). Guess what? No one takes them because if you do, you get written up on your performance review! If you are Clinton-class rich, you have the world at your finger tips. America - of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. |
Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:08 PM
in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)
49. It's actually TINKLE ON ECONOMICS.
Of course she'll continue it. Her corporate masters will see to it.
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:02 PM
orpupilofnature57 (15,472 posts)
55. Has she made any accusations, as Bernie has as to who or what is resposible, or how we cure it ? why
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:46 PM
kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)
74. Yep, it's all Obama's fault for setting wages so low and not creating the high paying jobs needed. n
Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #74)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:00 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
78. Well, he did lay off a ton of federal employees ...
http://archives.politicususa.com/2011/08/24/big-government-obama-reagan.html
Big Government? Obama Has 273,000 Fewer Federal Employees Than Reagan
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