Iowa JJ: Clinton attacks Republicans, Sanders attacks Clinton

[wyldwolf]

DES MOINES — Hillary Rodham Clinton used a speech here to tie herself closely to President Obama and attack Republicans on Saturday, avoiding criticism of her two rivals for the Democratic nomination after a string of recent successes that have lifted her candidacy.

In sharp contrast, Senator Bernie Sanders, after saying for months that he did not want to attack Mrs. Clinton, came at her hard on Saturday night, criticizing her as a shape-shifting politician and inconsistent progressive.

She called for a country in which “there are no ceilings for anyone” and “where a father can tell his daughter, ‘You can be anything you want to be, including the president of the United States of America.’”

And she was the only candidate at the dinner in the largely white state to use the phrase “Black Lives Matter.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/us/politics/in-iowa-bill-clinton-denounces-hit-strategy.html?_r=0

[riversedge]

1. And so it was. I found Hillary's to be uplifting and Sanders rather sad & doom forcast

for the USA. and yes I listened to both in their entirety.

[pandr32]

14. He is aware of his sliding numbers

...and after being treated like a rock star by his rallying supporters who showed up in droves in the kind of "happening" style of the sixties that some may remember, he must be worried, and therefore is doing what he said he wouldn't do previously...attacking her.
Hillary Clinton only really started actively campaigning after the summer holiday. The GOP and the media had been focusing on pushing the now discredited right-wing attack rhetoric on her pretty much exclusively all Spring and Summer in order to weaken her support. Bernie Sanders had not yet been given much media attention other than stories mentioning the numbers of his supporters swarming rallies which made him seem, and possibly feel, invincible.
That has ended.
Hillary Clinton is now actively engaged in her campaign and her numbers are reflecting it. Bernie's numbers go down as her's go up. It will continue.
After the eleven hour GOP-led witch-hunt Hillary has revealed what we can expect of her during the remaining debates. Bernie must have noticed her mastery of facts along with her very presidential demeanor under pressure.

[Fred Sanders]

2. Biden gave her and O/M the green light to court his voters by running full throttle on Obama's

record, I think most of which is yet to be written.

I do not know for certain who Obama favors of the three, but I have my educated suspicions.

Obviously Clinton heard the message in the Biden announcement loud and clear and so did the 20% or so of the Democratic Party members who are now disappointed Biden supporters.

[workinclasszero]

3. This bears repeating...

*****Clinton attacks Republicans, Sanders attacks Clinton*****

[mcar]

4. It does indeed

[Armstead]

8. If you think that was an "attack" then you're in for a surprise next summer and fall

Bernie's remarks were a love letter compared to what the GOP will be bringing out

[upaloopa]

27. Did you see a person sitting in front of the GOP attack machine for over 8 hours recently?

Don't worry about it.

[Orrex]

52. Sanders is in for a rude awakening once the GOP realizes he's running

It's been repeatedly claimed that the GOP is "scared of" Sanders. We can see this is true by the decades they've spent trashing him, the phony scandals they've dreamed up to smear him, and the hours they've spent haranguing him and his associates in phony hearings.

Oh, wait--they've done none of these things? That's because they don't see him as a threat. All of the blather about Clinton being cut from the same cloth as Republicans is simply a retread of 2000's Nader-esque fantasy, and anyone who seriously believes it at this point hasn't been paying attention for the past 15 years or so.

If Clinton were the same as the GOP, then they wouldn't waste their time, resources and political capital to destroy her. The fact that she's weathered all of it with grace and diplomacy demonstrates very clearly that she's ready to fight them now and will be ready after she's inaugurated.

If Sanders' supporters would caution Clinton to brace for the GOP's attacks, then they'd do well to advise their candidate to batten down the hatches. He has simply never had to deal with anything like the onslaught that Clinton has faced non-stop since the 70s.

Clinton has repeatedly demonstrated that she can take with the GOP can dish out. Can Sanders say the same?

[George II]

63. But he said he'd never do it, and he did.

Last night he reminded me of Walter Matthau in "Grumpy Old Men".

[Omaha Steve]

51. From LBN: Hillary Clinton Sharpens Her Barbs Against Bernie Sanders

OOPS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1241655

Source: Time

Hillary Clinton sharpened her attacks against Bernie Sanders Friday as her campaign gains confidence, criticizing his gun control record and subtly accusing him of making a sexist remark in the recent debate. During a sunny campaign event in Alexandria, Virginia, on Friday, Clinton apparently referred to a moment in the Democratic debate when Sanders said that “all the shouting in the world” will not improve gun laws.

“I’ve been told to stop shouting about guns,” Clinton said to cheers. “Actually I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman talks, some people think it’s shouting!”

She used the same line earlier in the day at the Democratic National Committee’s Women’s Leadership Forum. Friday was the first time Clinton has implied Sanders showed sexism in the Democratic debate by remonstrating Clinton for raising her voice. (Sanders also said in the debate in response to former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley that “we can raise our voices.”)

...

Gun control is one of the few issues where Clinton is further to the left than Sanders, and it is an issue she believes will help her win over the Democratic base. One of her strongest moments during the debate last week came when host Anderson Cooper asked Clinton whether Sanders is strong enough of on gun control. “No,” Clinton said in the debate, “not at all.”

Read more: http://time.com/4085578/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-sexism/

[workinclasszero]

5. Another Bernie flip-flop detected!

In sharp contrast, Senator Bernie Sanders, after saying for months that he did not want to attack Mrs. Clinton, came at her hard on Saturday night, criticizing her as a shape-shifting politician and inconsistent progressive.

[Nothingcleverjustray]

9. Bernie flip flop?

Holy shit! Pot meet kettle.

[Eric J in MN]

20. Sanders meant no personal attacks or scandal-mongering.

Sanders does contrast his policy record with his opponent's.

[msrizzo]

37. And his opponents husband too....

Don't forget that.

[upaloopa]

29. He also praised Obama for the first time after trying to primary him in 2012.

[workinclasszero]

41. He also praised Obama for the first time after trying to primary him in 2012.

Yeah go figure eh? No flip flop here either

[leftupnorth]

6. Truth is not an attack. Eom.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. Me thinks doth protest too much.

[NorthCarolina]

10. So let me get this straight. Clinton attacks Bernie = OK, but

Bernie brings up Clinton's pandering = NFW man, not fair.

Gotcha....

[msrizzo]

38. Who said it wasn't fair.

Bernie can bring it on. He just can't do it and continue to say that he doesn't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Wouldn't that be like Sherman shooting at Grant instead of Lee, just saying?

eom

[JaneyVee]

12. A desperate flailing campaign for Bernie.

[spyker29]

13. Makes sense.

Each attacked their biggest obstacle to becoming president.

[azmom]

15. I loved Bernie's fire. We need to defeat Clinton

in the primary because she has no chance in the General. Kick ass Senator Sanders.

The people's president.

[jmowreader]

42. The same could just as easily be said of Bernie Sanders

Sanders' problem in three words: self proclaimed socialist.

If you do not think the GOP will run footage of Soviet May Day parades, announce to the world that Sanders will take your guns on January 21 and nationalize every family farm in America on January 22, start Young Patriots Clubs that teach communist ideals and force every child in America into them, shut down Congress, declare himself president for life, make all small businesses government property, take away your house and move three illegal immigrant families into it, and double your taxes to pay for it all (or some combination that adds up to Commie America)...well brother, you'd best think again.

Clinton is far from ideal but she's a known quantity. The only people who know Sanders are the 600,000 people who live in Vermont and a handful of serious political junkies. If the GOP superpacs decide to sell Sanders as the demon love child of Kim Jong Un, Fidel Castro, Leonid Brezhnev and Wojciecz Jaruzelski, enough people will believe it to give us not only a GOP president but an even bigger GOP Congressional majority.

[azmom]

44. Sanders will take your guns away. Get your memes straight. N/t

[jmowreader]

48. I said that

The only reason he won't do it on January 20 is it'll take the White House cleaning team at least half a day to sweep up enough half-smoked joints and used rubbers from the all night Weed Smoking Bash and Roman Orgy inauguration party so he can find the door to the Oval Office.

[azmom]

50. Sounds like you have been smoking too much.

Take it easy on that stuff.

[bunnies]

16. Where is this "attack"?

I saw nothing in the article.

[Eric J in MN]

21. Sanders said the TPP was never the "gold standard"

...of trade agreements.

Sanders said that he was against TPP yesterday, he's against it today, and he'll be against it tomorrow.

(Hillary Clinton called the TPP the "gold standard" in 2012, then said she's against it recently as a Democratic primary candidate.)

[bunnies]

22. Thats it?

omg. Hardly an attack. Thats nothing.

[Eric J in MN]

24. Sanders also said he voted against DOMA

(a bill signed by President Bill Clinton which says that states don't have to recognize gay-marriages performed in other states.)

He disagreed with Hillary Clinton's position that DOMA was needed as a compromise to prevent a US Constitutional amendment against gay-marriage.

[bunnies]

26. Seems like a valid point to me.

I dont see pointing out their differences as attacks. Compare this to what some of Clintons surrogates have said about Bernie and it hardly seems worth mentioning.

[upaloopa]

31. Yep Bernie talks about Hillary it is the truth. Hillary "surrogates" talk about Bernie "oh no how

dare the say anything about Bernie!"

[bunnies]

34. When they ramble on about his "extremism".

Its an attack. Not a valid point.

[upaloopa]

57. I listened to all three speeches last night. Each was pretty much the same on issues.

I didn't hear any extremism from anybody. Each one had a couple of digs for the others.
The audience was different though.

[bunnies]

64. I didnt watch....

How was the audience different?

[AlbertCat]

18. Well...it's the primaries....

Clinton is not in the general election against Repugs.... even if she thinks she is.

Her opponents are the other Dems right now.


Why is this so hard to understand? Does she not get it?

Sanders realizes he's in the primaries, He doesn't think he's already been appointed.


"criticizing her as a shape-shifting politician and inconsistent progressive. " which is accurate. Theres lots of examples...


for instance: "And she was the only candidate at the dinner in the largely white state to use the phrase “Black Lives Matter.”

because she got called out for not doing so at the debates!

[jwirr]

19. This source is a little fuzzy on meanings. Attack? An attack

is some thing personal like saying something about a candidates personality or looks. A comment of no importance to the question of who to vote for.

What is NOT an attack is talking about issues. Issues are important to the question of who to vote for.

This is just one more media source that is out of touch.

[Eric J in MN]

23. This article is bogus.

Hillary Clinton attacked Bernie Sanders at the Iowa dinner.

When Clinton said that she's "a progressive who likes to get things done" the implication is that Sanders doesn't.

When Clinton said that others accuse her of "shouting" about guns but they must think women are always shouting, that was twisting Sanders' words (Sanders said we can't solve the gun problem though shouting).

[jmowreader]

47. Seriously Eric, what HAS Sanders "gotten done"?

"I like to get things done" is only an attack on Sen. Sanders in the minds of people with a victim mentality.

[Omaha Steve]

49. Socialist elected 7 times

Hillary once.

[jmowreader]

55. Hillary was in her second Senate term when she was named Secretary of State

Sanders has lost four elections - a House election, a Senate election and two mayoral elections. Clinton won both her elections.

Hillary Clinton won the election Thursday by peeing on the GOP's powder. They still have warehouses full of dry powder for Sanders.

[Omaha Steve]

58. He won as a SOCIALIST

And we know many D's that say socialists can't get elected is the point.

OK 2 wins and a national loss.

Hillary was well know as the First Lady even though she was broke at the time. If she had not been first lady, do you think she would have won with previous experience or been an I socialist?

Bernie built a name and didn't get to the upper class doing it.

[Eric J in MN]

60. He got $11 billion for community health clinics in the ACA.

Here is a list of other things which Bernie Sanders accomplished.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605502

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Attack? Considering the vulnerability to criticism, he threw a marshmallow of truth at her.

[6chars]

28. Bernie has to lay off the personal attacks.

He should stick to policy differences etc.

[Eric J in MN]

33. Bernie Sanders didn't make personal attacks.

He discussed policy differences. He implied that he has a stronger record than Hillary Clinton:

-in opposing the TPP.

-in supporting gay-marriage.

[elleng]

30. 'Mr. O’Malley, who has criticized Mrs. Clinton for changing positions during the primary

and who has described his record as governor as one of “actions, not words,” said that “a weather vane shifts its position every time the winds change. Effective leaders do not. I know who I am, I know what I believe, and I am willing to fight for it.”

“We need new leadership,” he added. “New ideas. Someone with the courage to stand up for what’s right — even when it’s not always popular.”'

[restorefreedom]

40. omg ellen, stop attacking!!

how can you sleep at night after pointing out the truthful comments about------ one candidate----hillary cough cough from another?

[elleng]

45. HAHAHA!

And the NRA!!! Anyone notice the HUGE applause he received for that???!!! Attack Attack Attack, and even these 'heavy duty' attacks didn't get him recognition by msm!!!
THAT is what keeps me from sleeping!

[restorefreedom]

46. !! nt

[azmom]

53. Someone to stand up for what is right.

Bravo O'Malley, Bravo!

[elleng]

62. Darn right!

THANKS!

[Renew Deal]

32. There has been a noticeable change to tone and tenor from Sanders campaign and supporters lately

The debate and Hillary's testimony made a difference.

[stupidicus]

35. oh boo hoo, HC attacks are "oblique"

Mrs. Clinton also offered an oblique criticism of Mr. Sanders over his record on guns.

“I’ve been told to stop shouting to end gun violence,” she said, repeating a line she has begun using since Mr. Sanders said in the debate that “all the shouting in the world” would not keep guns out of the wrong hands. “I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out, some people think it’s shouting.”

Bernie comparing and contrasting their records close to what, unchivalrous?

That's no defense for or of her failures he noted, now is it? It's just a deflection/distraction in lieu of a defense of/for her bad marks.

ANd the question as to how this comports to the "The Liberal media is out to destroy Clinton!!!!" meme can await another time...

I suppose they had no choice but to print this eh...

[Eric J in MN]

36. I agree.

At the Iowa dinner, they criticized each other without using names.

This article is bogus in using wordplay to pretend otherwise.

[SandersDem]

39. There is a difference

policy is fair game and what people WANT to know.

You won't see:

Sanders attack HRC over emails or

Benghazi or

Whitewater or

any made up Republican nonsense.

However, I expect HRC to go after on Bernie where she differs (NRA was fair game, F vs D-, we're Democrats, splitting hairs is fair game) so don't cry when Sander's calls out HRC on the ISSUES.

This OP is a yawn.

[restorefreedom]

43. you do realize this is a total bullshit headline to get ratings, right?

m$m cannot be trusted to be fair to any of the candidates. they are drumming up a contentious primary because it gets ratings. they don't care about us or the candidates!!

[George II]

54. His rant was pretty pathetic - doesn't he like anything or anybody?

He always seems to be complaining about something or someone.

[AzDar]

56. Pointing out HRC's myriad political inconsistencies is an 'attack'? LMAO.

Bern, Baby, BERN!

[MisterP]

59. propose and vote for policies that aren't GOP ones and her rhetoric against Pubs won't be called

hypocritical

easy

[DianeK]

61. coming after a political opponent..

on the issues is hardly an attack! it is exactly what the primary process is for! You will never see Bernie go after Hillary or anyone else personally..but issues are, of course..fair game

[Persondem]

65. Sanders going back on his word!?!? Say it isn't so!!

But he is the shining prince of purity!! (Except for that NRA thing, and he doesn't work well with others, but hush, hush now)

Clinton is right to go after the GOP. They are the real enemy.