Worse than "Hillary hate" is "Bernie hate" based on Bernie supporters.

[Bonobo]

Now that is some fucked up shit.

[bravenak]

1. I like Bernie way more.

[Bonobo]

3. So stop turning your fire on him when clearly you are pissed at his supporters. nt

[bravenak]

4. No. They are still being nasty.

[bravenak]

35. He is not being a good leader, imo.

[bravenak]

42. Address the issue and say he doesn't need nor want that type of support.

[bravenak]

45. Because he is losing.

[bravenak]

50. Then he loses. He has plateau'd.

[bravenak]

56. Not really. Sell out? Lol!

[bravenak]

59. Good for you. I am not a Third Way Progressive.

[rbrnmw]

61. Someone alerted this post It was a ridiculous alert

On Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Good for you. I am not a Third Way Progressive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=726795

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Third Way Progressive"

Personal attack. It's the kind of insult corporate stooges invent to insult real progressives.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:23 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am not a republican. Does that mean I am saying you are? Please read the terms of service. Also please realize this is a forum for adults.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's not going to happen alerter
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This was close for me. Ordinarily I don't care about little snippy comments like this from people...and the other person needs to grow thicker skin. But I know calling someone a Third Way Progressive because they support Hillary is a slippery slope and ridiculous argument. The insinuation is a personal attack.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good grief! The term Third Way Progressive is being used all over the media and social media to describe Bernie supporters. Get over it!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bravenak]

62. Wow! I have been alerted so many times!!

[rbrnmw]

63. I know I was just glad I was on the jury

[bravenak]

64. Me too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. You are in good company, sister.

An angry mob made Socrates drink the hemlock, nailed Jesus to a cross, and burned Joan Of Arc at the stake.

[NCTraveler]

75. Name removed seriously likes you. lol.

Hi bravenak.

[bravenak]

81. I know! Hey!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It's all stupid. There's no reason to "hate" either of them,

and I doubt very much that anyone does, with the possible exception of a very few zealots whose butter has slipped off their noodles. Maybe some folks need to take a deep breath and stop talking about "hate" and "attacking"? Politics ain't beanbag, as the saying goes. There will be criticism. It's not hating or attacking, FFS.

[pacalo]

5. A lot of baiting last night.

It wasn't pretty.

[Bonobo]

9. There are a lot of master baiters here, that's for sure. nt

[Armstead]

18. Look at the title of the post after yours. Synchronicity

(I posted this after seeing your response was hidden. But the irony still stands.)

[yuiyoshida]

82. that kid's look is

precious!

[pacalo]

83. It fit the mood perfectly!

What the hell...

[Warren DeMontague]

6. some people have tried in a rather ham-fisted fashion to jam the square pegs of their

Long running DU drama grudges, into the vastly different parameter round holes of the current democratic primary contest, and the results - and concomitant contortions and tortured logic on the part of those folks - have been.... amusing, to say the least.

I'm going to vote in the primary for the candidate that best aligns with my positions and value system, and if that candidate loses the nomination, I will then happily support our nominee.

It doesnt strike me as terribly complicated.

[NRaleighLiberal]

8. +1. n/t

[cyberswede]

10. Clearly, some are sarcasm-impaired.

Guess which juror I was.

On Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You fucking deadheads make me sick...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=725882

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This profanity abuse is way out of line.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:32 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The vulgar name calling is a bit over the top.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is over the top.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's fucking sarcasm.

[NRaleighLiberal]

11. this place has gone just nuts!

then again, I've gone from an ignore list of zero for the last 11 years to now approaching 50! Making it much more pleasant here.

[peacebird]

76. Me too. Make sure you also update the list for who cannot serve on a jury judging your posts!

[uppityperson]

17. That is too funny and sad

[senz]

19. It was clearly sarcasm.

And very cute, too. Whoever alerted simply wanted to hurt bonobo with a hide. If that alerter is out there, I just want to wish you some swift karma for doing this to a good DU member.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Unfortunately I couldn't jury it myself, because I understood it for what it was.

I agree with Juror #7.

[Ed Suspicious]

80. Was there any question? This hide is beyond the pale.

[riderinthestorm]

43. Un-fuckinbelievable. I hope the person who alerted, and those who voted to hide are ashamed

The bitter retaliations between the two primary camps here are shameful

[hootinholler]

77. I hope you alerted those results

So the admins are aware of the alert stalk.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. What the serious fuck?

I give up.

[senz]

20. I meant to tell you, Warren,

that the other day your sig line led me along a chain of links leading to an explanation of "proto-punk" that was useful in understanding an aspect of my own musical taste. So, thanks.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Nice!

If I was gonna go for what defines the label "proto-punk" to my mind I would probably come up with something style/era like the MC5, but YMMV.

[tishaLA]

12. hating either of these candidates

Who have, in their different ways, fought to improve this country for more years than I've been alive, is ludicrous. I understand preferringo ne over the other and/or disagreements on prioritiesa nd strategies, but the animus online between the two camps is crazy.

[tishaLA]

29. That's a useful fiction. You go with that.

[F4lconF16]

30. Cracked up at this. Nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

68. Good Gods.

I missed the 'pedophile' attack on him. Thankfully.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

67. Fought to improve the country for more years...

What, by creating the school to prison pipeline for black Americans and profiting off of it?

If that's what Clinton thinks is improving America, I don't think I agree with her notion of 'improving the country'.

I don't 'hate' Clinton, because hate is a waste of energy. But I don't find her to be any sort of leader, and I think most of the positions she's held over the years have been poor ones. It's good that she's finally swinging around to at least imitate Sanders, even if she'll probably swing back around to more Republican positions if she wins the nomination.

[mythology]

13. There are supporters of both Clinton and Sanders I wouldn't vote for

Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley I'm happy to vote for. I get frustrated with some supporters who let their passion for their candidate but that doesn't reflect on the candidate. Well okay the fact that Don Black supported Ron Paul makes me like Ron Paul even less than I would simply for him being a libertarian.

[ColesCountyDem]

15. ...

[uppityperson]

16. Thanks mirt!

[MohRokTah]

21. Nothing at all fucked up about it.

I judge many politicians by the actions of their supporters.

Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, Ron Paul, etc. etc. etc.

And now, Sanders.

[bravenak]

22. The Tea Party...

I judged them by their supporters too!

[bravenak]

34. Who torched property that you know? I was 11. I was watching it all unfold. Not old enough to

participate! I hope you are not accusing me of felony acts!

[bravenak]

38. The collective we as in 'the oppressed'.

[bravenak]

41. Where did I tell people to go out and be violent? I just discussed the results!

Please stop accusing me of crimes!!!

Please link to where I told people to go burn korean shops!!!!

[bravenak]

49. Link please? To where I told people to go be violent.

That is what advocate violence and arson means. To promote and encourage people to do something. Unless you have a link, I will ask you once again to please stop accusing me of felony acts.

[Art_from_Ark]

52. I will send you a link by PM

[bravenak]

54. I bet it does not say what you say it says.

[bravenak]

55. Good.

[jfern]

47. Exactly

The reasons why someone who isn't powerful would support Hillary tend to be kind of flimsy. They need to create justification, even if it's completely bogus.

[DFW]

58. That could get tricky

Lanny Davis, e.g. (I assume) supports Hillary, and he is a first class asshole. I've met the guy a few times. He's just as obnoxious in person as he is in public appearances. It doesn't mean Hillary is like that, or would govern like that.

Bernie hasn't received enough public endorsements yet to point to anyone abhorrent. Keith Ellison and Raúl Grijalva are certainly endorsements ANY Democrat worthy of the name would delight in having. However, Bernie has publicly stated (wisely enough) that some who purport to support him will end up doing things that he and his campaign will have to disavow. He has been around long enough to know this, and so has Hillary. Some of the posts here in DU certainly fall under that category, but that shouldn't reflect on Bernie himself. He doesn't tell his supporters on here what to post any more than Hillary or O'Malley do.

I don't think worse of Bernie because of nasty posts supporting him or bashing Hillary (and MAN, have there been a few! LOL). I'm not convinced he's the one I'll end up supporting any more than I'm convinced that Hillary is the one I'll end up supporting, but when I make my decision, it will be based on what I hear from Bernie and Hillary, and not from newspaper endorsements or internet posts.

[Fumesucker]

33. Deadheads, not dickheads

And it was clearly friendly sarcasm for anyone familiar with the posting history of the two individuals involved.

[NCTraveler]

39. Thank you for the correction.

I will change it so it doesn't misrepresent the op as it is currently. I also notice the banter you mention. Sometimes it's hard to see these things even if one is a regular here. The op does like to throw out bombshells. "Hillary Beats Up Old Man" was a huge hit for a week or so. Thank you for correctly pointing out my error.

[Half-Century Man]

60. About our in-fighting, I have observed before...

The Professor of a History of Western Civilization class I took long ago claimed; that the reason the wars were so terrible between the Catholics and the Protestants is because each saw the other as more damaging to the faith that outside factors.
Outside influences strengthened the resolve of believers, heretics were something else, a corruption of the collective self. An intentional doubt in the truth of the belief. The more fanatical the believer, the greater the reaction to perceptions of heresy.

I look at what is happening here on DU, as something akin to that. We here are the fanatics of the Democratic party. We haunt a site who's name implies a special subset of the Democratic Party. One that was more so hardcore we had to conceal our thoughts from the public.

[NCTraveler]

65. There is so much hate for Hillary supporters....

That one poster questioned if Her most solid group of support suffered from Stockholm. There is so much hate of Hillary personally that another poster had an op "Hillary Beats Up Old Man." Got your bases covered. Whatever hate you are seeing doesn't amount to the racist comments recently thrown at Clintons strongest block of support.

[MannyGoldstein]

66. Most of it is probably fake

Well before the tiny wave of people declaring their need to support Hillary because of the horrific Bernie supporters, I and a few others traded notes about a few Bernie supporters who kept posting "I like Bernie, but..." posts. Not about his supporters, but about him, things like "I like Bernie way more than Hillary, but I'm concerned that he's not really a Democrat." They'd always attack Bernie, always defend Hillary, yet claim they supported Bernie.

Weird, huh?

We called that group "Bernie Butters" (I don't claim credit for the clever name), and predicted they'd soon have epiphanies where they'd realize the need to switch allegiance.

Sure enough, all the Bernie Butters that I recall have had that epiphany, most because of us naughty no-good Sanders supporters. The final one was a week or two ago.

One particularly self-unaware one switched at least twice, several months apart. Every time it was to Hillary.

[JTFrog]

72. Better Believe It! n/t

[merrily]

74. I respectfully disagree. AFAIK, some of the faux Bernie supporters have yet to recant.

[Autumn]

78. Manny a few of the "Bernie Butters" are still buttering.

I love to watch them. It reminds me of a little kid closing their eyes and sneaking a cookie because they just know you can't see them

[Thinkingabout]

70. Bookmarking for future reference

[Bluenorthwest]

71. Worse than both Hillary and Bernie, supporters of Hillary and Bernie.

There are persons and tactics I loathe on both sides of the DU community. I'd vote for all three of the current candidates but not for most of their supporters.

[JTFrog]

73. This constant wedge driving is what is really some fucked up shit.

But hey, some folks just are who they are.

On the plus side, it's good to see the other wedge group pretty much abandoned.