BSupporters attack Clinton supporters by saying they are playing the race card,

[boston bean]

then when that falls by the way side, attack Clinton supporters by saying they are playing the gender card. All of this is all over the internet and being spouted by a loud, brash group of Bernie supporters.

I'm seeing a phenomena on the internet where a bunch of progressive peeps (fortunately they are the minority of progressives) using right wing propaganda, bigoted speech with the intention of elevating their candidate.

It aint gonna work. It will alienate more Democratic voters than it will bring to your candidate.

[bravenak]

1. I have noticed that habit.

I remember Katy Perry being a 'shiny object' and us blacks being 'Stockholm Syndrome' victims.
Somehow this gets overlooked.

[boston bean]

2. They are speaking a language well known to right wing bigots. I don't think they care..

Maybe they want right wing bigots to vote for Bernie.

All I can say it is a losing hand for them. Also, provides an insight, I would rather not associate with in progressive circles.

[bravenak]

6. I refuse to join such a movement!!!

I want equality for all, not third way progressivism. Or brogressivism. Not my type of party.

I do not see how this increases support. It seems that some do not care about anything but being nasty.

[betsuni]

8. YES!

[Gman]

45. You got it Toyota

They're essentially right wing trolls.

Saying the rsce or gender "card", is a tactic used to put you on the defensive quickly when the other person is cornered.

[bravenak]

48. Yep. To shut down conversation!

[Number23]

140. It is so widely known that only the bigoted and/or stupid use the phrase "race card" that it truly

seems to me to be an intentional effort to be insensitive and offensive.

But considering the source, I don't know if "intent" is a word I'd use to describe as considering the endless stream of laughable BS they post on DU, ascribing any "intent" to their efforts may be giving them way too much credit.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Interrupting Bernie: Exposing the White Supremacy of the American Left

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251508942

[bravenak]

12. Yes! Like how Seattle says they are progressive but the police force is known to harass blacks?

And the schools arrest black children much more often than white? And the poverty rate of blacks... I think that is what type of issues are meant by that term.

[workinclasszero]

137. Yeah how about that garbage?

Anything is allowed for BS followers on the attack

[bravenak]

138. It is getting depressing.

[Number23]

139. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is look at the posters making these backwards, Bizarro-world claims

and that will say it all.

Where the people RESPONDING to the racism are the racists.

The people RESPONDING to the sexism are the sexists. And you will know all you need to know.

It has been an absolute banner week in GDP in terms of incoherence and insensitivity and racial cluelessness. Stockholm Syndrome, idiotic conversations in clubs that had the entire board laughing and doing the "cool story, bro" routine. And now, the latest know nothing polluting this forum with nonsense has a God only knows how many years long losing streak of spouting utter and complete BS all over this web site and is the unintentional laughing stock of DU. If they were smart, reasonable or sensitive to the groups they absolutely LOVE speaking for as if appointed by Jesus himself and all of the members of those groups had suddenly lost their tongues and/or fingers, then that would be the surprise.

[bravenak]

143. This has been remarkable.

I had thought that I had seen it all, but this is extreme.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. I see what you did with your subject line.

Oooh. Clever.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Not Good Enough, Bernie Supporters!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

[bravenak]

7. Many times I have issues with Reagan voters and Third Way Progressives.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. Yet to this day, some still embrace Reagan's policies

[bravenak]

20. And yet, some say they'd rather have Obama's election overturned than Reagan's!

I bet you have an idea what I mean.

[betsuni]

35. You're still wearing that old thing?

[Number23]

141. Oh God, first the MLK quote and now that damn video!!

Won't somebody PLEASE give these people some fresh, new material to be offensive with??!

[betsuni]

142. Never thought I'd pray for fresh, new offensive material...

I saw that damn MLK quote again and almost strangled myself.

[leftofcool]

5. Yea, shiny objects, Stockholm etc.............

Sounds tea partyish to me.

[bravenak]

13. You seem to be doing very well.

[bravenak]

17. Well spoken.

[leftofcool]

14. Sanders is no threat.

And by the way, no one ever said Sanders was a racist. It was said, he hadn't reached out to PoC enough which was correct. You might try reading through the AA forum to get a grasp on that.

[leftofcool]

24. Like I said, try reading the AA forum

But I know you won't.

[leftofcool]

28. You might actually discover something, like some truths.

instead of just believing everything certain supporters would have you do.

[leftofcool]

33. No one in that forum EVER called Sanders a racist.

[SidDithers]

49. ...

Hmmmm.

Sid

[betsuni]

50. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's funny.

[betsuni]

59. So?

[leftofcool]

61. Wow! You really went there didn't you?

[Art_from_Ark]

36. One thing you probably won't read on that forum

is that Bernie has a 100% rating from the NAACP

http://action.naacp.org/page/-/washington%20bureau/113Congress/VERMONT2.pdf

[boston bean]

52. If he reads this website he will see many Sanders supporters

telling black persons, they are race baiters, race naggers, and playing the race card.

And then have the gall to sit back and wonder all innocently, why people might object that.

[boston bean]

55. LOL. nt

[bravenak]

56. Those are his initials.

[bravenak]

60. Yes

[bravenak]

66. Have you seen many people?

[bravenak]

68. Why would I save a link like that?

[bravenak]

70. No reason is no good reason. I do not save boring links for future folks who might sign up and

ask for a link.

[leftofcool]

63. Yes, all the time.

[Art_from_Ark]

54. Please provide links to your contention

And please explain why a 100% rating from the NAACP is "Not good enough"

[bravenak]

57. It is not good enough for me.

[Art_from_Ark]

71. Nothing is good enough for you

[bravenak]

73. How would you know that? Have we met?

[Art_from_Ark]

74. We have met in this forum

What do you expect-- a 1000% rating from the NAACP? Would that be enough?
Geez.

[bravenak]

80. The NAACP is not the only measure of how a candidate performs on race.

The naacp makes compromises, I do not. I am like Bernie in that way. Full equality is what we deserve, not crumbs. As things stand, we do not have that so benefits will be unfairly distributed and I for sure will not be satisfied with crusts while you eat pie.

Bernie does not seem to understand certain things. Perhaps more time spent with a diverse group would help? His politics are not necessarily intersectional. They are theory based.

[bravenak]

84. I have been told that by some with a mouth full of pie.

[bravenak]

87. .

[bravenak]

93. .

[bravenak]

100. Me too

[boston bean]

130. Looks like you had a live one there!

Name removed. LOL

[bravenak]

132. A very surly guy. Perhaps a New York City eSKaPee?

[boston bean]

133. LOL. Thought that myself!!

[NorthCarolina]

112. If that's truly what you believe,

and is your driving force behind your actions and statements, then you are surely backing the wrong candidate. IF that's what you truly believe.

[bravenak]

113. I believe I can make that decision.

[boston bean]

62. You need me to provide links of this to you?

If you haven't seen it, you haven't been reading, or maybe you just glossed over it.

Is the NAACP rating not good enough for those people spouting this nonsense, they have to resort to right wing bigoted propaganda to dispel a little criticism over his handling of the BLM?

[Art_from_Ark]

72. You made the claim

You back it up

[boston bean]

76. It's not a claim it's the truth.

Because you have not witnessed evidence of it yourself, does not mean it is not the truth.

You want to determine this, figure it out yourself. I am no one's link lackey.

[Art_from_Ark]

77. You made the claim

The onus is on you to back it up.
Just saying it is doesn't make it so.

[boston bean]

79. You so interested in dispelling my "claim" do so.

So far you have done nothing to do so.

[AlbertCat]

110. You might actually discover something, like some truths.

Not in the AA forum.

The "Sanders hates people of color" meme was started by the GOP in June.

I see Hillary worshipers are still beating that dead horse.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Clinton supporters here certainly have been doing just that.

[boston bean]

18. Very disappointed in this type of post from you Warren.

I'm sure you don't care that I am..., but I would hope you would revisit this knowing what you know personally about bigotry and have told me on multiple occasions.

[bravenak]

21. Me too.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. "White Supremacist" doesn't mean what we think it does. nt

[boston bean]

34. For the intentionally obtuse, who can't recognize nuance

and realities, it may hold one meaning. A self serving one, albeit a false one.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. See, I told you so.

Poe's Law is epically powerful.

[bravenak]

40. I find reagan voters predictable...

[MannyGoldstein]

46. LOL!

[bravenak]

47. At least she didn't want Obama's election overturned!!! Right?

[boston bean]

42. Are you describing third way manny?

[Android3.14]

23. More projection from willfully ignore-ent HRC supporters

Any time you want to engage on real issues, just let we Bernie supporters know.

Issue #1 - Why would you support someone that voted for the Iraq War?

[leftofcool]

25. Why would I support someone who voted against the Brady Bill?

[boston bean]

32. 5X voted against it. Nothing in it 5X over was good enough for him to sway his vote.

[bravenak]

27. Us. Try the sentence without the word supporters and you'll see that 'us' sounds better than we.

It would not be 'just let 'we' know, but just let 'us' know.

[Android3.14]

41. Thanks for proving my point

For Hilary supporters, the Pronoun Issue is more important than the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in a needless war that she supported multiple times.

natch.

[bravenak]

43. For some, protecting their candidate is more important than the harassment of minorities here at

home. They ignore their fellows acting terribly, to point out the flaws of others, thereby engaging in hypocricy. I notice it and it is sad. Movements that are not welcoming to all end up petering out.

[NCTraveler]

30. It's a bunch of crap.

I must be a sufferer of Stockholm. Race card my ass. Shiny object. Gender card my ass.

Thanks for the op BB.

[Sunlei]

44. yup and many of them are angry republicans playing a 'game' with some of you'all.

all they have is Trump, as republican King lol.

[mcar]

75. And now the victim card

HRC should go to Vegas, she's so good at card playing.

[betsuni]

78. Projection.

[mcar]

81. All of it is, isn't it?

[betsuni]

83. You are projecting.

[mcar]

90. I am agreeing with BostonBean

I think you missed my point - perhaps it was a bad attempt at humor.

[betsuni]

96. Oops! Sorry. I've decided to become more aggressive and talk back and got carried away.

[mcar]

98. No problem

Things get muddied pretty easily around here these days. I should have been clearer.

Last nights thread about HRC playing the victim card got my blood boiling but I decided to take it lightly in BBs OP.

[betsuni]

103. Now I realize I thought I was in an entirely different thread. My fault!

Sorry again.

[virtualobserver]

86. Hillary Clinton does not care which side of an issue she is on.....

She only cares about its effectiveness in dividing us in a way that she believes will benefit her in that moment.

[bravenak]

91. Some only care about what helps them.

Like one person, they said BLM was a conspiracy by Karl Rove and Hillary, with Lee Atwater tactics, next thing you know, they deleted that thread and then posted how BLM favored Bernie, being very kind to BLM. Is that person bad? A hypocrit? Fake? Phoney? Selfish? Let me know what you think.

[virtualobserver]

115. My post didn't say that

What my post said was that I didn't know if someone else was behind it.

I said that the Koch brothers were known for exploiting social media and that this issue could be used by them.

My real fear was Hillary though....All of the criticisms about Bernie and BLM were coming from Hillary supporters, not BLM
(and you weren't one of people criticizing, you were trying to calm the situation....). I have seen the dawg whistle in action from Hillary, and it doesn't just whistle Dixie.

Over time, I had a chance to observe BLM activists in action......and what I found was a group of wonderful, serious people
doing incredibly important work. I saw that they treated both Bernie and Hillary with fairness.

The Black Lives Matter activists proved to me that my fears were unjustified, and I was very glad to be wrong about that.

I deleted that OP because I no longer believed that the things that I feared were true........and someone responded to it
months later......I didn't want to revive that discussion.

[bravenak]

116. We will never know what it truely said. It is gone.

Did you ever retract it?

[virtualobserver]

118. I just did......

If what I just said in my previous post isn't enough for you, I don't know what else to say.

I'll only add one thing.

The event that proved to me conclusively that Bernie was the candidate for me was his visit with Sandra Bland's mother (and sister).

He met with her in a restaurant in a case of random chance, promised her that he would #sayhername at the debate....
....and told no one that the meeting had occurred and then he kept that promise at the debate.

Any standard politician would have tried to exploit that meeting for political gain.

[bravenak]

120. Yeah. That's great. I think we blacks can decide for ourselves who is best for us.

As you did for yourself. It is not going to be the person whose supporters are nasty to us, that is for certain. Policy notwithstanding, the environment must be welcoming for a diverse group and free from harassment and insults or accusations of race baiting made towards blacks for speaking out. Sometimes it is necessary for a leader to create boundaries and to weed out impostors and bad actors.

[virtualobserver]

122. people will decide for themselves, as individuals

[mcar]

95. That is not only incorrect

It makes no sense. Why would dividing potential voters benefit her?

My post was to include another "card" Sanders supporters claim HRC is playing. They are getting desperate in their attempts to smear her and are trotting out tired old RW tropes.

[virtualobserver]

117. The gun issue from 2008 is the best example

Pre-2008 she was a strong advocate for gun control.......and she is now

but at this moment in the campaign.......she was a child being taught how to shoot

This ad went into rural gun totin' Pennsylvania and this is a divisive ad that runs counter to her pre and post 2008 gun control advocacy.

[MohRokTah]

88. Ain't it grand?

They're doing this while his numbers sink, revealing their wild desperation.

I hope they continue!

[MohRokTah]

99. Why wait there is no way in Hell the Democratic Party will nominate Sanders.

Allowing him into the primaries at all was simply a way to placate the non-Democrat. Anybody who thinks he'd actually be nominated is truly politically naive.

[bravenak]

101. We are kinds souls. Democrats share.

[mmonk]

92. Someone should bookmark this thread.

I think I will.

[MuseRider]

104. I honestly do not know

how anyone can control this. I honestly do not know if it is a specific age group either new to politics because they were never interested before or a first election. Older folks excited to see a real lefty with a voice being heard? The Internet, while being the most incredible communications device, seems to attract mass bullying. It also attracts a whole lot of "Me too!"said before the brain kicks in. It certainly points out how lots of society reacts and tries to protect its favorite things. I am not going to deny this from many supporters of Bernie but I certainly see it from Hillary supporters as well. Perhaps I dont see it as much because I am fed up with all of this I have not looked around much lately but it is there. I am too old I suppose to care to deal with it. I gave up when BLM was being "handled" by his "supporters". There really was no way to stop that large cluster f. I see it as something like a riot, it starts with a few and rolls like a snowball. It is, however, unfair to anyone out working as hard as our candidates are to blame them or hold them accountable for that. They are not the parents. If their supporters do not follow the path they choose in the way they show themselves it is not their responsibility. Their job is to get elected with the best plans for our country. I think that is a big enough job. Supposedly if you are old enough to vote you don't need a parent telling you how to behave. It is what it is and the constant back and forth about awful supporters just cements this behavior as I think you well know. It would be so much nicer if we did not continue to fuel the "bad supporter" fire so we can have elections based on what the country needs.

[jtuck004]

105. "It will alienate more Democratic voters than it will bring to your candidate." < Uh, what you said.

One could say the same thing about voting for several decades worth of corporate shills.

[Bluenorthwest]

106. The problem Bean, for those of us with more than straw for brains and memory going back years

is that this same sort of bullshit is repeated every cycle. In 08, all of our candidates opposed basic civil rights for LGBT persons and kept saying so. Obama held rallies with anti gay preaches and ex-gay evangelists and the internet was chock full of horrible comments toward LGBT persons some from actual Obama supporters but most and the worst posted by ratfuckers. The worst I saw involved threats of arson on LGBT places on election night.
And yet because I am not a chump who can be manipulated by malicious random pixels, I managed to look at Barack Obama himself, even through his own 'God is in the mix' baiting and those shitty events he did in South Carolina. I understood that he did not want to burn West Hollywood to the ground as people claimed on the internet. Because I am not a chump.

A DU Obama supporter told me LGBT voters were no longer needed in the Party, we'd been replaced by 'the faith community' and 'Obamacans' whom she claimed were a mass of Republicans devoted to Barack Obama. Lectured us that we'd better get used to it, the faith community needed to hear that trash talk to prove Obama's 'bona fides' she said. That person was a very busy DU poster who is still here under a different name and posture.

So. Yeah. People who say things on the internet do not control my thinking. If they did, I'd never have voted for Obama. But I did, four times. And how did the issues in contention play out? Very well thanks.

[boston bean]

114. And I remember the purge, and ponies, and insults against gay persons

bringing this stuff up.

It made me just as sick then as the same sort of BS we see today in this election cycle.

I'm sure you didn't like the idea that some were basically saying to those who brought these concerns to light were basically playing the "gay card", did you? That term, "race card" "gender card" "gay card" are all pejoratives and are usually used by bigots. To see them being used over and over again by progressives is discerning to say the least and deserves some push back.

[AlbertCat]

107. a loud, brash group of Bernie supporters.

This isn't more of that "shouting" baloney, is it?

Y'know, the one where she played the gender card.

[NurseJackie]

108. RE: Alienating Democratic Voters

I think you're correct about that. I also think that this may be the objective, for two reasons. Either: they're GOP "operatives" (whatever that means) who want to sow seeds of discontent and strife within the party … or they're actually fringe Democrats who'd rather lose, intentionally, for the self-satisfaction of being able to say "told-you-so". (Or because of some irrational and misguided belief that they must destroy America in order to rebuild it.)

Their efforts at doing this are really not as successful as they probably hoped. I'm sure that's been frustrating for them, and this helps to explain why it's been on the increase. Increased loudness, increased frequency, and increased absurdity. Rather than realizing it's a failing strategy, they've convinced themselves that it's still a viable option, but only if they try harder.

Yes, they are indeed the minority of progressives who have gathered here. The concentrated and seemingly great numbers that we observe here are are diluted in the real world.

They have an important voice that needs to be heard. I like that their efforts help to pull the party and the candidates further to the left. But, they also need to be realistic and understand that one voice can't be allowed to control the entire discussion.

[treestar]

109. Amen

As anyone who has ever discussed politics with any right wingers knows

[Starry Messenger]

111. I have no doubt they are doing it in real life too.

No one, and I mean no one, is leading them with any instructions on restraint.

[blackspade]

119. The corollary is also true,

I'm seeing a phenomena on the internet where a bunch of third-way peeps (fortunately they are the minority of third-way) using right wing propaganda, bigoted speech with the intention of elevating their candidate.

It ain't gonna work. It will alienate more Democratic voters than it will bring to your candidate.

See how that works? Clean up your own house before you talk about how dirty other folks houses are....

[Truprogressive85]

121. HRC have done nothing for me as an black person

HRC will have to earn this vote !!

HRC will never see the amount of support that B.O.got from black supporters
The black democrats I know are not falling for the HRC trickery because they know who she really is

if any HRC campagin people or bundlers are reading this : Black 18-30 year olds are way more excited to vote for a white male from a lily white state because they are fed up with the status quo so dont let the polls tell she has the black vote on lock

[William769]

123. Kick & highly recommended!

[Fawke Em]

124. Except any thinking person could see she lobbed the gender card.

But Mr. Sanders’s past comments about gun control suggest that his “shouting” line is just that – a favored turn of phrase that he has used regularly in the past few months, long before Mrs. Clinton released her plan to address gun violence.

In July, Mr. Sanders, senator of Vermont, said that people needed to “stop shouting at each other” on the issue of guns. In August, he said that “people shouting at each other” about gun control “is not doing anybody any good.” And on Oct. 1, reacting to the mass shooting at a community college in Oregon, he said that the nation needed to “get beyond the shouting” on the issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/25/hillary-clinton-takes-jab-at-bernie-sanderss-shouting-remark/

As a woman, I'm pretty tired of her reverse sexism (vote for me BECAUSE I'm a woman).

The phenomenon I'm seeing is that most people - male and female - think that attack by her was stupid.

[MrWendel]

126. This post is a perfect example...

Thanks for making my point for me.

[mhatrw]

129. Hillary cries, "I'm a poor, poor victim of wholly imagined sexism!"

Hillary's supporters cry, "How dare you 'attack us' by pointing that out!"

[frylock]

125. Cool story.

[mhatrw]

127. So you think Clinton supporters are playing the race and gender cards?

Why do you think Clinton supporters have to resort to such tactics when Clinton's voting record and stances on the issues are so strong?

[boston bean]

131. Oh ya. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Fearless]

128. If everyone everywhere is saying something maybe it's a massive conspiracy aimed at harming Clinton

Or maybe it's just true and you're individually wrong.

Clinton has appealed to the lowest common denominator argument before against Obama. Suggesting that you wouldn't want one of "them" in the White House at 3am when something stupid happened.

She did it again when suggesting that when women speak it sometimes sounds like yelling.

It's the same thing.

[MuseRider]

134. I think we all have actually heard her

raise her own voice while talking about issues. So what? She had every damned reason to do so. The way things are now everyone has reason to raise their voice when discussing the situation we are in. NOBODY said a word about her yelling then. So now Bernie mentions how all sides are yelling at each other (or something of that nature) and it becomes all about her being female? I do not buy this. It does sound very much like calling someone out for something they never said. It has not worked for her in the past, who in the hell is advising her? It makes her look weak and very very defensive.

When someone actually stands there, and talks to her as if she was beneath them as a woman then you bet, I will be all in to stop that crap even if it was Bernie but it will NOT be Bernie who does this.

[Fearless]

135. You're making things up, he did no such thing.

[MuseRider]

136. Perhaps you need to read more carefully? n/t