The attorney class loves Hillary - she will keep their paydays high!

[LettuceSea]

It's an easy game if you're an HRC fundraiser:

Mention the words "GOP tort reform" and they'll get a big donation. Great to see that attorneys only care about keeping their paydays high (but you will see an interesting bluff).

http://abovethelaw.com/2015/10/stats-of-the-week-law-firm-love-for-hillary/

[RandySF]

1. Because it has been the Republicans

Who have been curtailing the poor and middle classes' access to the courts.

[LettuceSea]

3. That's their bluff, yes. Broad stroke of civil rights injustice

In reality, it's used to deflect and protect their high income.

[sufrommich]

2. This was a GOP argument against democrats in 2008

and 2012. Not surprised to see it here.

[RandySF]

5. This one goes back to the 80's.

[sufrommich]

7. I didn't know that. I think 2008 was the first I noticed it. nt

[Thinkingabout]

4. Hum, like voting for laws to shield some industries from liability?

Oh, sorry that wasn't Hillary, that was Sanders, the attorneys lose money when prevented from filing liable suits.

[LettuceSea]

10. the attorneys lose money when prevented from filing liable suits.

"the attorneys lose money when prevented from filing liable suits."

Good. too many cases are frivolous, creating unnecessary jobs and paydays. Malpractice especially.

Interesting to see how this professional class defends this. Skilled responses that tap into emotion, of course.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Some of us who have had family members harmed by the negligence of others...

Some of us who have had family members harmed by the negligence of others would take umbrage at your observations.If an attorney files a nonmeritorious action he can be sanctioned and he and his client can be compelled to pay court costs...


Nothing emotional about my response...... Liability law is based on the simple premised that if X injures Y, X is responsible to make Y whole.

[LettuceSea]

21. I don't consider it a partisan or civil rights issue, more of an income protection issue

Maybe I'm too cynical but for many lawyers, the paycheck comes first. All the other arguments are supplementary to their personal motives.

Maybe I've met too many shitty ones?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Being a plaintiff's lawyer is hard work...

If you don't win you don't get paid... I watched corporate lawyers blow millions of their insurance client's money in a case they could have settled for two hundred fifty thousands dollars. Woe be on the person who pays any professional by the hour.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Are you saying we should stand for or against trial lawyers?

Thank you in advance...

Rethugs hate our civil justice system because it's one of the few venues where the poor can find justice.

[LettuceSea]

11. I'm saying that civil rights argument is a broad deflection to keep paydays intact

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Plaintiff's lawyers represent those who have been harmed by the actions of others...

If you are injured as a result of my actions it is incumbent upon me to make you whole.

[LettuceSea]

15. The more eligible cases, the attorney benefits as well

I'm all for reasonable lawsuits, but we can't be blind of the incentives here on both sides. The 1990s were high times for that profession.

Attorneys do have a good argument to work with though...if you limit their paydays you're hurting the poor and their civil rights, too. So if you 'screw' them you risk screwing people that need help.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I have faith in the system...

Throw six or twelve jurors in the box and let them decide if Johnny's action caused Bobby's injuries and how much Johnny should compensate him for his injuries...

My mom was a successful plaintiff in a medical malpractice case that cost millions to litigate and settle...

The dirty little secret of medical malpractice law is that the physicians win approximately 90% of the time. Why? Because they come into court with the presumption of infallibility. Who wants to believe their physician can be sloppy?

[NCTraveler]

8. This has been a GOP arguement against Democrats for decades. nt.

[DanTex]

9. "Tort reform" is the term the GOP uses to protect corporations and take away

access to the courts as a means of holding them accountable for the harm that they cause.

[LettuceSea]

12. Would an attorney have incentive to increase payday avenues or decrease them?

I'm sure they're donating thousands and thousands to protect the plight of the poor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Corporate attorneys lean Repuke... Plaintiff's lawyers lean Democratic...

Corporate attorneys lean Repuke... Plaintiff's lawyers lean Democratic...That's because the former want to limit access to the courts.

I suspect most of the mouthpieces for the payday industry are Repukes.

[treestar]

34. Insurance Defense lawyers usually in secret

want the system to continue, as their jobs depend on it, too. If Plaintiffs access to courts was cut, there would be nothing to defend!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. True, but they also want to make it harder for plaintiffs to prevail...

eom

[RandySF]

16. This is a case

Of people reaching for anything they can find to bash someone without understanding the issue. Not everyone who wears a suit to work is the enemy.

[leftofcool]

18. One of the GOP's favorite memes against Democrats.

[LettuceSea]

23. We've all gotta think the same. Very democratic.

[blm]

43. Why don't you just explain to us why you support the GOP on this issue?

Perhaps it might do more to move Democrats towards your position.

[Fred Sanders]

19. Is there a GOP water carriers union active at DU, because it seems so!

[BainsBane]

24. Lawyers always support Democrats

And the GOP hates it.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

25. How very Republican of you.

Tort reform is the GOP answer to EVERYTHING. Democrats, in general, do not support tort reform. Tort reform is for protecting corporations and fucking over the middle/poor classes. It has nothing to do with lawyers making money.

A little background info on David Lat, founder of Above The Law (the website you so nicely quote).

http://www.businessinsider.com/daivd-lat-profiled-in-details-2012-12

He's a libertarian prick.

[LettuceSea]

28. Thank you for providing illustration for post #15

[Dr Hobbitstein]

30. Da fuq?

Keep pushing GOP talking points. If your Hillary-hate is that strong that you have to use GOP smears, then you've got nothing.

[LettuceSea]

32. "GOP" blah blah blah. Keep closing the tent.

I'm sure it'll work well come november.

[blm]

35. Who do you think is being pushed out of the tent?

And why would anyone who claims to be so progressive that they can't vote for HRC now express support for corporate attack dogs over people's right to legal representation and appropriate compensation?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

36. You're the one smearing liberal attorneys.

I believe you're at the wrong site. This is a place where Democrats come together and discuss Democratic ideals and politics. This isn't the place where we use one of the oldest GOP talking points (which, BTW, you seem to have ZERO insight on what tort reform actually entails) to smear the Democratic front runner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort_reform#United_States

It has nothing to do with attorney payouts, and EVERYTHING to do with fucking over the middle and poor classes while shielding business from liability.

[oasis]

42. Forty plus replies, only one rec., what does that indicate?

[blm]

44. And ran away quickly when the mask slipped.

Interesting thread.

[oasis]

47. Still one rec.Not many here want the taint of GOP.

The mask may have slipped, but the memory of witnesses endure.

[blm]

40. RandPaul2016 activists seem to like it here at DU, Doc.

They like to strike that pose. ; )

[mcar]

26. The GOP talking point of the day

[LettuceSea]

27. That's getting old and less effective, FWIW

That only works when the party is well-liked.

[blm]

38. When WHAT party is 'well-liked' specifically?

Is it really your position here that the Democratic party is so unliked that it should roll over for the GOP's 4 decades long quest for 'tort reform' in order to increase its likability?

Likability for WHAT voters?

[portlander23]

29. I'm ok with this.

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[Dr Hobbitstein]

31. Surprise, surprise, surprise...

[blm]

39. Strike a pose -

eh?

[treestar]

33. Um, the attorney class, (lol) is usually fairly liberal

against tort reform. Not all attorneys make a lot of money, but most of them are not big corporation attorneys at huge firms, and their interests in making money collide with the 99% interest - the ability to sue a huge company on contingency makes it possible for ordinary people to hire an attorney when injured. Worker's Comp, Social Security, all these areas of law make it possible for the little guy to get justice.

[oasis]

41. Rush Limbaugh is in perfect agreement with you. Mark Levin also.

[randome]

45. And those awful pantsuits will be the death of fashion for this country! MARK MY WORDS!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[Sheepshank]

46. Open Secrets doesn't jive with your OP

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indus.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528&type=f

Here are Bernie's donors, sorted by industry....Damn those lawyers like him. A lot....

Bernie Sanders (D), Industries, federal election data
Election cycles covered: 2016
Select data type: Federal data State data
Rank Industry Total
1 Retired $973,306
2 Education $478,753
3 Lawyers/Law Firms $273,462
4 Health Professionals $267,076
5 Democratic/Liberal $264,748
6 Misc Business $261,224
7 Electronics Mfg & Equip $182,782
8 TV/Movies/Music $170,942
9 Business Services $169,630
10 Printing & Publishing $149,506
11 Civil Servants/Public Officials $149,367
12 Other $132,685
13 Internet $112,870
14 Real Estate $110,835
15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $99,811
16 Women's Issues $66,580
17 Misc Finance $64,261
18 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $49,663
19 Misc Services $48,020
20 Securities & Investment $47,833



Percent of Contributions Coded
Loading chart. Please wait Coded $3,483,964 (45.7%)
Not Coded $4,143,287 (54.3%)

METHODOLOGY

NOTE: Federal-level numbers are for the 2016 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on Friday, October 16, 2015.

Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but please credit the Center for Responsive Politics. For permission to reprint for commercial uses, such as textbooks, contact the Center: [e-mail]

[blm]

48. Pretty sure this isn't a real Sanders supporter.

More like Rand2016 based on the issues the poster actually supports.