I'm sorry but my kids' future is at stake

[UglyGreed]

I will not beat around the bush. I feel if Hillary is the next POTUS they are going to have an even worse life than their mother and I have had. Which by the way is worse than what our parents had. No more lesser of the two evils, no more Republican lite. Time for real change and feel the BERN!!!!!!!

[Broward]

1. Hillary and her corporatist cohorts are partly responsible for the unrelenting economic evisceration

visited upon all but the richest among us over the past 35 years. She will only make things worse.

[UglyGreed]

2. I hoped the change that Obama had

promised would become a reality but as we see we have increased poverty, more war and now another free trade agreement which will undermine American workers. It has to stop.

[Broward]

3. No question, but it won't under Hillary

I just don't get the enthusiastic support by so many on this board for a politician to the right of Nixon.

[moobu2]

30. Presidents arent dictators and Bernie wont be able to do anything at all

done in regards to his far left socialist policies even if he were to somehow get himself elected which is very unlikely. A Bernie Sanders presidency would be even more unproductive than President Obama's. And he could throw the election to the republicans anyway.

[UglyGreed]

32. So then it's the status quo

banks get bigger, middle class gets poorer and the rich enjoy the fruits of their investment.

[moobu2]

34. If Bernie were to get himself elected

Republicans would have a 4 year party. A Bernie Sanders presidency would be completely impotent.

[Fawke Em]

43. I don't think so.

Bernie knows how to finesse his will enough to get 206 good amendments/bills through this lousy Congress.

[moobu2]

85. Bernie's not even a Democrat

He's only been able to get powerful positions on important committees because the Democrats gave them to him so he would caucus with them. He's just using the party to give his 3rd party candidacy legitimacy Ralph Nader's didn't have. lol I bet Ralph is kicking himself for not thinking up Bernies scheme.

[Art_from_Ark]

99. He isn't running as a 3rd party candidate

That's just bullshit.

[moobu2]

100. He said he was running in the Democratic primary because

if he had run a 3rd party candidacy like Ralph Nadar he wouldn't have had a chance to win. That's what he said. So basically Bernie Sanders said he was just using the Democratic Party for convenience. He said it I didn't.

[Art_from_Ark]

104. He has caucused with the Democrats for years

He supports liberal Democratic initiatives.
He is NOT a Ralph Nader.
He will NOT run as an independent if he does not get the nomination.

[NiceTryGuy]

109. He's Democrat Ron Paul (NT)

[Art_from_Ark]

110. No he's not

What unadulterated garbage.

[Bluenorthwest]

129. He's a co-founder of the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress, the Progressive Caucus

Caucused with progressive Democrats since the day he got to Congress. Ask his co-founders who are still in the caucus with him like Maxine Waters or Peter DeFazio about that. Do you know who they are?

[PatrickforO]

105. Bernie Sanders is more of a Democrat than the rest.

He supports New Deal type policies, not neoliberal ones that systematically strip the middle class of wealth.

[Thespian2]

116. To be clear,

anyone following politics for any length of time, knows that Senator Sanders is the best Democrat running, followed by Martin O'Malley...

[peacebird]

38. At least Bernie would try, Hillary will just say "cut it out!" To the too big to fail

Bernie will use the bully puplpit and work hard to effect change. Hillary will protect her investors.

[moobu2]

39. People will get real tired of hearing Bernie Sanders

obnoxious nasal voice droning on and on spouting his catch phrases and tune him out. I already have.

[artislife]

44. nasal voice

There is just so much wrong with this.

[Fawke Em]

45. Like they're not tired of Clinton's flat vowels and shrill laugh?

[TBF]

57. Wow. Imagine if we started in about Hillary's

looks or voice. There would sexism charges flying all over the place. Get a grip and try to focus on policy rather than personal characteristics.

What is this - preschool?

[moobu2]

86. If Hillary had a voice as obnoxious as

Bernie Sanders, I wouldn't hold it against you to mention that. Listening to Bernie Sanders actually makes me a little ill. I just can not do it for more than a word or 2 sorry. I'm glad he isn't a Democrat and will probably climb back in his hole after the election and we won't have to suffer through listening to it anymore. God, please hurry up!!

[Nothingcleverjustray]

113. At least his accent is real.

[AgingAmerican]

135. It is pathetic that you feel the need to go there

nt

[MADem]

92. "Started in?" Check those archives!!

She's been run through the gauntlet here more than once.

[kenfrequed]

62. Yeah... screw policy!

I care more about how a person sounds than what a person says.

Utterly revealing post. Thank you.

[restorefreedom]

90. yes because the superficials are what really count.

[AgingAmerican]

134. Is that they best you guys can do?

Seriously....

[840high]

141. I'm tired of Hillary cackling

and bobbing her head up and down.

[billhicks76]

72. Wrong

Obama could've used the bully pulpit and taken case to the American People like Reagan did. He was and is afraid to do so. Why is anyone's guess. I'm assuming they have something embarrassing on him.

[Jackilope]

83. I don't think so. It seems he can get GOP and Independent voters.

People are darned tired of the rigged system. There are republican friends interested in Bernie. My step daughter and friends are much more inclined toward Bernie. They truly do not like Hillary. Not that these few people and my example represent the whole population, but the GOP types do NOT like Hillary.

TPP -- is she really going to stand up against that? The bankers and Wall St. cronies donating to her campaign .... Is she really going to do any more than wag her finger and tell them to cut it out?

The best option for me and for my kids is not a corporate shill.

[katmondoo]

6. The Clinton years in the 90's were the best

for me, then came Bush, then came horrible, scary, terrifying times

[modestybl]

31. Unfortunately, laws that Bill signed have hallowed out the middle class...

He was listening to Robert Reich during his 1st term... unfortunately, he listened to Rubin and Summers in his second term.

[SoCalMusicLover]

68. It All Seemed To Go Downhill After Reich Left

He was a tell it like it is kind of guy. No room for that anymore in Washington.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

54. Sort of ditto, but it was economic fool's gold.

My portfolio grew with the dot com bubble, then pretty much died when it burst. My dot com job lasted through Bush and died with Obama, and unemployment has been the standard ever since. The couple dozen hours of contract work I've gotten in the last month or so has been the most work I've had since Bush was in office.

[billhicks76]

74. Simpleminded

Good for upper middle class white people. Meanwhile our jails filled up with poor people. The metric your using is misleading. Clinton was inserted by Bush Sr to maintain the status quo until they could bring the administration back in 2000 to continue the plan. Clinton knew this and it's why he played ball and swept IranContra under the carpet

[mmonk]

79. How old are you? How much did the dot com bubble cover up the deregulation

that laid the foundation for the great recession in 2008?

[saturnsring]

4. there's an endless list of people who "felt" one thing or another and got it completely wrong

[MohRokTah]

5. .

[UglyGreed]

19. Thank you

glad you are so empathetic to other people's struggles. Progressive indeed

[dreamnightwind]

7. Agreed with UglyGreed

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Obviously from your user name you just don't get it. Americans want an opportunity to compete for the top! If we all work harder one lucky winner gets to be at the top! That's more better good. Those that don't win are just losers, not our concern, we're just concerned with creating opportunity.

I am so done with that, and want to live in a society where regular working people have their needs met, without a constant shadow hanging over them of economic and environmental insecurity. It can be done, it just isn't the way the multinationals want it, their profit models are driven by keeping us all chasing the elusive carrot and fightng amongst oursevelves while we do it.

[DCBob]

8. So are mine which is why I am going with the candidate most likely to beat the GOP.

[Blue_Adept]

10. And not just beat the GOP, but BEAT the GOP

I don't expect her to play nice like Obama did.

And I really think Sanders is far too idealistic for what we need now.

I think she's the one that's going to go in and clean their clocks repeatedly and actually shove their faces in it. None of this too-nice smirking and winking we get from Obama when he "owns" the GOP.

She knows how the game is played. She knows the politics. I get that the Sanders supporters don't want the politics as played, but that means you're not playing the actual game. And she knows how to play it, win it and survive it.

I want a brass knuckle fighter. She's that.

[DCBob]

13. Well said.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

15. Well said

This is exactly why I support Hillary.

[NCTraveler]

16. I think Obama went in with an attempt to give peace a chance.

He was riding a pretty big wave of support. I don't think he played very nice with them in his second term. I have always respected him, he really got me on board near the end of his first term and his second term. I do think Hillary will go in where he is at today. Fully understanding how unethical and immoral the republican party truly is.

[hifiguy]

22. There's something almost touching about your

naivete. Almost.

[Blue_Adept]

24. It's my most endearing trait!

Especially since it's anything but. People like to think I'm naive though.

[bunnies]

55. Will she be fighting from her "warm purple space"

where people from the left and right will unite to solve problems?

Or was that a different Hillary Clinton?

[Ed Suspicious]

35. That's like, your opinion, man.

[Fawke Em]

47. Y'all love polls - but you don't seem to like the ones that show Sanders

has a better chance of beating the GOP than Clinton does.

[ejbr]

76. +1 n/t

[DCBob]

93. I admit Bernie does look good in some of the match ups with the GOP.

That is good news however, I think Bernie is benefiting greatly from not being the front runner. Were he the front runner the GOP attack machine would switch form Hillary mode to Bernie mode. Then I think Bernie's numbers would go into decline.

[artislife]

49. My eyes, my eyes

[SammyWinstonJack]

143. That look on her face is a little unnerving

[SunSeeker]

63. You speak for me too, DCBob.

[treestar]

9. IMO you put way too much into the Presidency

I guess the Bush years were even worse?

[NCTraveler]

12. No. Obama was worse. I'm beginning to think that is what they truly think. nt.

[UglyGreed]

14. Tell you the truth

it started with Reagan, and it really has not gotten too much better since. With either party at the helm.

[JI7]

23. when were the good years ?

[UglyGreed]

29. Good years???

in my lifetime all I have seen is Unions weakened, jobs being shipped off and war after war with money spent to destroy other nations while ours falls apart. I don't when there were any good years.....

[NCTraveler]

11. And I will work my ass off to make sure a republican doesn't win.

It takes a village. I support my family and yours. It is the way it should be.

[brooklynite]

17. ...unless Bernie loses.

My wife and I can afford to live through a Republican Administration. Can your kids?

[Ed Suspicious]

37. Yeah, rich guy. It's a chance I'm willing to take. Family of 4, $30k per year. Grandchild

on the way from my 17 year old daughter. I really don't have much to lose by ending the cycle of banging my head against a wall.

Go hard or go home. Enough is enough.

But I can see why you would be invested in maintaining the status quo. You probably have a lot of discretionary income wrapped up in a status quo maintaining presidency. I guess you're just voting your own interest.

[SammyWinstonJack]

144. Can I just say...

[Ed Suspicious]

41. I don't believe you have any idea just how infuriatingly condescending this sounds.

[brooklynite]

51. Condescending? Not at all. Cold, hard, political calculation.

I learned long ago not to confuse my political dreams with reality. I'd love to have a Bernie Sanders Administration raise my taxes and implement Single Payer. But my data analysis tells me he can't win a General Election, and having a Republican in Office would be far worse than anything you can imagine Clinton doing.

That said, IF Sanders wins the nomination, I'll work like hell to get him elected. Can you promise the same about Clinton?

[ProgressiveVC]

120. you must have much different data than the professionals

who claim otherwise.

[brooklynite]

125. Care to name a "professional"?

Because Russ Feingold agrees with me.

[ProgressiveVC]

128. Award-winning Pollster Russ Feingold?

Im not familiar with his polling work. Was this when he was with Marquette University

[brooklynite]

131. I'm thinking "Award Winning" politician...

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...whose job is to win elections.

[ProgressiveVC]

136. Russ does alright in the 72 co's of WI

but didn't see that national winds blowing in 2010..

[brooklynite]

137. ...and has subsequently learned from his mistakes

...that's why I respect his judgement.

[TBF]

61. Yes, actually, my kids will be fine

we're ok for college (thanks to grandparents) and we do have additional savings. We aren't flying around in private planes and we don't live in a McMansion. But we'd get through another 8 years.

But what kind of world are we leaving them if we don't reign in the greed, redistribute some of this wealth that has been hoarded by the 1%, and stop global warming? The only candidate who is even seriously addressing these issues is Bernie.

[Proud liberal 80]

18. The Supreme Court

Is going to affect you kids' future. Who would you rather have pick the next justices (Clinton or a Republican). Chances are that the liberal justices (Ginsburg and Breyer) will retire in the next 4 years. Their replacements will be on the court for 40 years. We can't afford an Alito type replacing Ginsburg.

[FSogol]

52. Very true. Support your prefered candidate, but at the end of the day, Democrats need to be in

the WH, not the GOP.

[demwing]

122. Id rather have Bernie making that pick

If it's between Clinton and Bush, we're screwed either way, if its between Bernie and Trump, Bernie wins

why shouldn't we vote for Bernie?

[JI7]

21. how is it going to be worse with her as president ?

[Blue_Adept]

25. Because, according to the vocal tastemakers around here, she's the worst ever

Worse than Dubya.

Worse than Reagan. Worse than every Republican out there.

She'd be worse than Cruz, Trump, Carson and Rubio - if they all have a love child together with Rush Limbaugh as the surrogate.

That's how a vocal chunk of posters here feel about her.

[Nye Bevan]

26. I accept your apology (nt)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. K&R

[mmonk]

28. I become nauseated at the thought of the future.

My sons have disabilities but are able at many things. The thought they must have less than $2,000 or so in their name (in other words we must all spend all we have created for them as parents who love them) before they can possibly attain any public help, especially since they are discriminated against in the employment marketplace, makes me sick. This is added on by the detractors of social security and the rich BASTARDS that control the actions of elected "representatives" of both parties, the Third Way and the Republicans, makes me wish we hadn't have had children in such a cold world of the US and it's politics. It's a SHIT SITUATION. Call me insensitive if I don't support the Third Way and your cause in error they will solve it.

[Art_from_Ark]

147. Yes yes yes!

You just hit a grand slam with that post!

[Ed Suspicious]

33. You play to win, they play to not lose. I'm with you.

[Uncle Joe]

36. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.

[AzDar]

40. But... she's a wooomaaaan! It's her tuuuuurn! Sanders is sexxxxist!! ( I'll stop now)

Go, Bernie, GO!

[Fawke Em]

42. I have a 16 year old son.

I, frankly, worry that Clinton will beat the war drums so hard we might have to re-instate the draft or TPTB will make it so hard for him to earn a living that his only option is the military (which we see in A LOT in minority communities).

I don't want him to be fodder for her itchy trigger finger.

[Fawke Em]

107. I noticed no PoC commented on this one, either, even though it's a HUGE

issue in the PoC community.

Whatever.

[SharpProgress]

46. I thought this was a Republican troll thread...

The apocalyptic anti-hillary crowd is growing very tiresome on me. It's irrational. It reminds of the far right's paranoia about "Obama the Muslim communist dictator".

These visceral attacks make the entire Bernie crowd sound just as insane. You've wound yourself up so tightly that you real think Hillary is a Republican? It's a laughable and offensive (and probably sexist) point of view.

The sky isn't falling. Hillary will make a perfectly fine president. No one is coming for your guns. Obama is not trying to control your Thoughts.

You can take* the tinfoil hat off.

(I'll be voting for Bernie in the primary most likely. But I'm simply sick of the demonization of HRC. It's completely absurd).

[Fawke Em]

50. Uh... wrong meme.

Liberals don't think Hillary will come for their guns or control their thoughts. We just expect her to maintain the status quo which isn't helping the 99 percent and hasn't for 30+ years.

No, she's not as bad as Republicans on social issues, but on economic policy and foreign policy, I can't really tell her apart from the GOP.

[SharpProgress]

96. You completely missed the point....

I know liberal are not coming for your guns. This isn't even about guns. It was being ironic.

Since you missed the point: arguments about how Hillary will ruin the country make as much sense as arguments that the guvn'mint is come for me, so I need guns to protect my family!

[Maedhros]

70. Ah, another poster for the ignore list.

/bye.

[dorkzilla]

75. and in only 10 comments!

They don’t waste a lot of time do they?

[Maedhros]

91. Anyone who tells the "I was going to vote for Bernie BUT..." lie

goes to the trash heap.

[SharpProgress]

98. Who said "was going to"...

I said I mostly likely will.

I don't even like Hillary all that much. But as I've said, this apocalyptic view of her is akin to thinking th earth is about to end on the passing of the next big comet.

[Dem2]

108. It's A or B

Pick a side, you're not allowed to like Democrat(s).

[SharpProgress]

97. I don't like what said so....

I'm taking my ball and going home!

If criticizism and discourse* are worthy of being ignored, why even post here? So you can live deeper in the echo chamber?

We complain that conservatives don't listen to reason, and in the face of an argument, liberals are proving that they can be just as pig headed. It's disheartening.

[deathrind]

48. Should Sanders or Clinton

Get elected niether will be able to get anything done if the current make up of congress remains as it is.

President Obama could have done much much more had his supporters not vanished right after he took the oath for office.

[intersectionality]

142. "Right after" now means 2 years?

Nt

[Renew Deal]

53. Are you saying Hillary's supporters don't care about their kids?

I'm not buying the momma bear BS.

[mmonk]

60. Yes. As far as disabled go.

You have the floor in disproving my thesis she is Third Way or linked to Pete Petersen.

[Renew Deal]

65. Lets be clear. You're saying that Hillary supporters with disabled kids don't care about their kids?

[mmonk]

66. No.

I'm talking policy.

[Renew Deal]

69. That's why I asked the question.

I didn't want to assume you said something different. I don't understand what you're saying about the disabled.

[mmonk]

71. Read my post 28 for a better understanding.

[Android3.14]

56. One of the reasons the HRC supporters will not engage in true debate

Is because they recognize that an even cursory look at her record shows how misguided is their support. I was discussing her Iraq war vote on another thread, and this poor misguided fool said her vote was justified because her constituents wanted to go to war.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

103. We wouldn't need Congresscritters if their only job was to vote however their constituents want on

any given issue. We could just poll the constituents directly on each topic and automatically cast the vote based on the polling. We (supposedly) have Congresscritters to do what is RIGHT for their constituents, even if sometimes the constituents would prefer something more bigoted or hateful or destructive. Sadly, what we see is all too often the reverse, where the Congresscritters are even more bigoted, hateful, and destructive even than their own constituents.

[artislife]

58. The future I fear

For your kids has a lot more fear for the environment. Bernie gets it.

[fadedrose]

59. No argument from me, Friend....nt

[sabrina 1]

64. You're not the only one who feels that way.

[Dont call me Shirley]

67. Carrying on the Reagan revolution...

[JoePhilly]

73. I have kids ... and I think Hillary is the best choice.

GASP!!!!!!!

[SoapBox]

77. Trust.

I trust her to...

Support Banksters

Support Billionaires

Support The War Machine

And flip-flop.

I have great trust that she will do all of the above and more.

[cab67]

78. I just don't get it.

Hillary Clinton substantially more to the right than I am, and I will be caucusing for Bernie Sanders. I suspect the same is true for most people on this thread.

That being said - the idea that Hillary Clinton wouldn't be much better than a Republican is laughable. She's no Sanders or Kucinich, but she's nowhere near to being a Cruz or Bush.

Do I want the Democratic Party to reflect solid Democratic ideals? Absolutely. But however difficult it's been to get that done under President Obama, there's been progress. It will be a lot easier to move things in the correct direction under a Democratic president - any Democratic president - than if it's a Republican in the White House.

That, and the thought of a Republican nominating more Supreme Court justices and Federal judges scares the shit out of me.

So I would hope that most people on this thread will do what I plan to do and vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election, no matter who he or she is. Even if you view Hillary Clinton as the lesser of two evils, the gap between the two evils is enormous.

[MADem]

80. You might want to prepare for some disappointment in your future. nt

[subject]

81. Berny knows he can't win.

When the time is right he will step down and fall in line with Hillary and endorse her like he said he would. He won't hand the Republicans anything.

[emulatorloo]

82. Weird thing to say about a person who has done a lot of good work for kids.

And a lot behalf of children and families.

Lots of reasons to prefer Bernie over HRC.

however IMHO This is a strategic non-starter if you have any interest in influencing undecideds or soft HRC voters to vote for Bernie.

JMHO as I say, based on knocking doors on political campaigns and other areas where I've tried to convince someone to my point of view.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

102. Give with one hand, take away with the other.

Clinton has supported and pushed for many policies that leave women and children dead or driven into poverty around the world. I don't think her well-publicized 'good works for children and families' actually even balances out the damage she's helped create through her economic and military policy choices.

[Evergreen Emerald]

84. Bernie has been in the Senate for decades. What has he done?

Nothing. He is not the alternative. He is the status quo.

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. No he hasn't. He was elected as a SENATOR in 2007. n/t

[moobu2]

87. Play the kid card....nice.

[frazzled]

89. You beat me to that exact line

I think this kind of fear mongering--our children will be out on the streets or maybe even die!--is unworthy of progressive thinking Democrats. And it's not the only thread of this genre I've seen today (Hillary will start Word War III!).

Anger, fear-baiting, hyperbole, and finger wagging never win elections. And they underestimate the intelligence of "the people." I am getting so turned off.

[Skidmore]

88. I have children and grandchildren.

And I don't feel the bern. I do believe that there is a good chance we will get burned with Sanders as a candidate. I believe that we will still progress as a nation with Hillary as President and I support her.

We have never had a lot of income and what we have is ever so much more than the poverty we grew up in. Our children have gone on to get educations and do better than we could ever hope for. I think my grandchildren, who are being raised as responsible, caring people, will be successfull adults. Life sometimes deals you a bad hand, and mine was a bout with cancer some years back at the same time I lost my job. It comes and goes. Now I can get the health insurance I need to maintain when before I was not eligible because I had a pre-existing condition.

I don't think that Hillary in the office will create a dystopian future for anyone. I'm more concerned about the make-up of the Congress where the laws are written. We all saw what happened when people sat on their votes last time, and this time I don't see any real concern for filling offices other than the presidency. That attitude is short-sighted. Apparently, people are looking for a king or prophet. I'm looking for a leader and a Congress with which that person can work. There was a time when that used to be the norm. There was a time when people didn't sit around and whine and wring their hands but showed up to vote.

[peace13]

119. If you think Clinton gives one thought about your children and grandchildren...

....you are kidding yourself. She thinks about the 1 percent and her children and grandchildren. You have only to look at her history, listen to the way she speaks on the trail and watch to know this. I wish it weren't so!

[Skidmore]

121. Whatever.

[peace13]

124. I understand.

I feel exactly the same way!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. "O K"

[cui bono]

95. You are correct!

[stevenleser]

101. Nope. No Democratic President will be able to do much this time around.

Republicans will control the House through January 2023 and will stop anything remotely transformative.

[99th_Monkey]

114. Why cede our future to Republicans?

I'm aware how GOP dirty-tricksters have rigged the electoral system by massively gerrymandering
congressional districts, and how all those GWB judicial appointees are in cahoots, but actually ..

thanks to Bernie, the public is finally waking up from their sleep-walking, apathy and inattention to
WTF is really going on.. He's turning on the lights, and getting increasingly attacked for doing so.

Bernie's "Political Revolution" is underway, and doing better than anyone could have imagined 6
short months ago; so let's not give away the store just yet .. this is still VERY much in-play and
a LOT can happen in the months ahead.

All the corrupt dirty-trick rigging can be UN-done when there's a massive awakening to how we're
getting screwed by the Oligarchs. Bernie is calling them out, and the public is listening very
attentively to what he has to say.

GO BERNIE!!! GO DEMOCRACY!!

[jeff47]

115. Because then you can pretend to dislike the status quo while maintaining it. (nt)

[99th_Monkey]

118. That certainly appears to be the case.

I'm supposed go support the "lesser of evil" candidate, so I only get 1/2-screwed, instead of
100% screwed. But every time 3rdWay nonsense gives away 1/2 the store, over and over,
again and again, well .. it isn't long before we're 99.99999% screwed anyway.

[ccinamon]

139. +1!!!

So very true and well stated....thank you!

[eridani]

111. If the economy crashes, she might very well channel her inner FDR

Or better yet, Eleanor. Even FDR didn't run on the New Deal--he ran on a balanced budget platform. No question that Sanders would do the right thing right away, but Clinton is still a better option than Repukes--it will at least be easier to fight her administration.

[MisterP]

133. no, like with Obama she'll be able to pass things that would have millions in the streets

had McCain passed them, but with a Dem they get a full 8 years' blank check

[eridani]

145. More people are wising up to that, no? n/t

[MisterP]

148. elections are a reset button

but of course if Clinton won't get such a big benefit of the doubt, she won't get the votes, either

of course the Dems will have gotten their cool bil and now can blame the voters for not accepting their glorious, perfect candidate

[brooklynite]

112. "Children’s Defense Fund Honors Hillary Rodham Clinton at 40th Anniversary Celebration"

Washington, DC -The Children’s Defense Fund (CDF) celebrated forty years of changing the odds for children and honored Former Secretary of State and CDF alumna Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday, September 30, 2013. Secretary Clinton was recognized for her dedication and contributions to child advocacy.

“CDF is pleased to recognize Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has been a tireless voice for children. She’s brilliant. She cares deeply about children. She perseveres. She’s an incredibly hard worker, and she stays with it. She’s done extraordinarily well in everything she’s ever done. and I’m just so proud of her,” said Marian Wright Edelman, President of the Children’s Defense Fund.

http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-the-news/press-releases/2013/honoring-hillary-clinton.html

The problem with yelling "She's really a Republican" is that you're going to keep stumbling over obstacles.

[JTFrog]

117. Yea, cuz people supporting Hillary obviously don't give a shit about their kids.

How utterly insulting and stupid.

Unrec.

[swilton]

123. You are so right

With another Clinton presidency we won't just be putting nails in the coffins of democracy, planet earth and the middle class, we'll be attending their future.

[Faux pas]

126. Kicketty Kickin'

[Enthusiast]

127. Kicked and recommended!

[lark]

130. If a Repug gets elected

the results will be 10x worse than if HRC is elected. If she's the general election candidate, will you vote for her or let the R's win? I will definitely vote for Bernie in the primary, but I will vote for the Dem candidate, regardless. She isn't perfect, but she's better by miles than any of the krazy klowns running for the Repug nomination.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

132. Why is it EVERY time someone starts a sentence with

"I'm sorry, but" what follows is ignorance.

[Zorra]

138. K&R for future generations. nt

[Gamecock Lefty]

140. I Won't Beat Around the Bush, Either . . .

A worse life than your Mother? Really?

Boo hoo, UglyGreed. If Hillary is our nominee then stay home from voting.

[ladyVet]

146. Agreed.

I'm so tired of the business as usual attitude that frankly, if given the choice between a slow slide to the right under Hillary, or a quick jump off a cliff under one of the R Clowns, I'd take the latter. Maybe then people will wake up and stop settling for the lesser of two evils. Maybe when this country has hit the bottom, people will fight for real change.

People always say, now isn't the time. We're on a tipping point. We'll worry about poverty, or gay rights, or women's rights later.

Except, there is no later. We manage to squeeze in a little equality, but the bigger picture continues to go right. Nothing we've gained is safe, even the Democrats seem to be pushing to be Republicans. Liberals get lip service, until we vote, and then we're shoved out the door. "Thanks so much for coming. See you in four years!"

And I hate feeling like this. Hate it. So, sorry folks who think Hillary works for you. You get what you pay for, and you can't pay enough to own her. She already serves her master.

Bernie isn't perfect. No one is. But he's what we need to turn the tide. Him and enough like-minded folks in Congress. We can get that, if we just vote for it.

[onenote]

149. Not sure how old you are or your parents are

But my life is not worse than the life my parents had.

As children, my parents suffered through the Great Depression. As young adults they lived through a World War in which over 400,000 of their fellow citizens, many of them around the same age. As parents, they watched over 36,000 more died in Korea and another 58,000 die in Vietnam, again many their age or, later, the age of their children. They lived in a country in which discrimination was rampant, based on religion, race, gender, sexual orientation.

I have lived through recessions, but nothing close to the Great Depression. I have lived through wars, particularly the Vietnam war, but nothing compared to WWII. My life expectancy is much higher than my parents' was thanks to medical breakthroughs occurring in my lifetime. In my lifetime, infant mortality rates have dropped dramatically. In my lifetime, discrimination has not been eradicated, and there is more work to do, but it would be absurd to suggest that gays, women or African-Americans of my parents' generation had a better life than they have today.

I too worry about the next generation, but I still see the arc of progress around me, even if it doesn't move as fast as I would like and even though for every couple of steps forward there is an occasional step backwards.