New Hillary Ad Is Everything You Should Hate About Politicians NSFW

[UglyGreed]

Strong language but cuts through the BS

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. That's two minutes of my life I will never get back...

Sad to have that much hate...

[UglyGreed]

9. Well the truth hurts

pandering and tugging at heart string does not show how one would be effective POTUS. Pandering has allowed the Bigwigs who fund Hillary to run this country into the ground. Poverty up, high paying jobs down, homelessness up, CEO pay up, MIC up ......................

[leftofcool]

13. Typical sexist statement

If Bernie had talked about his mom this way, he would have been hailed as a hero. Hillary does it and she is just tugging at heart strings and pandering. Got it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. As a dispassionate observer I have to give this round to you.

[UglyGreed]

29. Sexist indeed

You have no ideal what kind of person I am and just because I call out typical pandering which really does not have anything to do with being POTUS I am a sexist. I was behind Elizabeth Warren many years ago BEFORE anyone even knew her name yet I'm a sexist. Give me a break. Perhaps you should change your name centerrightofcool since that is where Hillary stands.............

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. As a dispassionate observer ...

As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to point out changing someone's user name:

centerrightofcool

to make fun of him or does nothing to elevate the discourse on our board.

[UglyGreed]

34. Sexist lefty

according to many here should be my new name. Hillary is not left of center so I just find it odd that supporters are.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I will refrain from characterizing anybody here.

I would hasten to add that having progressive views in some are and reactionary views in other areas aren't mutually exclusive.

[senz]

86. DSB, he was commenting on the person's ideology.

Obviously not "making fun." Don't be making bogus accusations like that. I know you can do better.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Seemed to be suggesting she was a right winger.

If he thinks she is a right winger he should ask her to explain herself first, imho.

[senz]

89. "Center right" is not a rightwinger.

Many, many of us consider Hillary center right. I certainly do. In fact, her identification with the oligarchs makes her even further to the right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. Last time I took the Political Compass Test I got +7s.

That puts me to the left of Mandela and the Dalai Lama. I just believe HRC is more electable and would be a better executive. Maybe Left Of Cool falls into that category.

[senz]

94. If that's the test I'm thinking of, it was devised by libertarians

with a libertarian slant. I don't know of any well thought out, objective political/ideological tests. But don't drift too far from Mandela and the Dalai Lama; they make very good role models for the rest of us.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. Different test

Take it if you have the time:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I got more liberal since coming to DU. I started with +3s which would put in the same place as say a Mitterand or Shimon Peres.

[George II]

82. "I was behind Elizabeth Warren many years ago"

Oh? She was a republican no so many years ago.

[NCTraveler]

36. +1 nt

[left lowrider]

58. He wouldn't do this sort of thing

Bernie respects the intelligence of the American people.

[senz]

83. Bernie would never trot out his mother for political advantage.

[senz]

84. UglyGreed is NOT THE LEAST BIT SEXIST

As a woman I have come to loathe women who hide behind our gender when making scurrilous statements about men.

You don't know it, but you're putting us down when you do that.

[leftofcool]

2. A great heartfelt ad that men just can't stand to hear.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Criticizing somebody for talking about their mom...

Criticizing somebody for talking about their mom, really???


My mother was a saint.

[leftofcool]

8. So was mine. Notice the mansplaining in the rant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. The person in the video struck me as a sad and little man.

eom

[Lisa D]

19. Someone alerted on your post.

SMH

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Huh

That was an innocuous post...

[Lisa D]

27. Jury Results:

On Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:30 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

A great heartfelt ad that men just can't stand to hear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=736458

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Bigoted slander of men. Suppose someone said the same thing about women, "A great heartfelt ad that women just can't stand to hear"? It's bigotry and so alerted on.

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. The targeted poster should have said "some men" but it was an innocent oversight.

eom

[pinebox]

41. wow speaking of sexist

Let me get this straight, you accuse UglyGreed above with;

Typical sexist statement

And then you go on to say the very thing you're accusing said user of? Really?

[karynnj]

76. If you believe that, isn't it a bad ad? If one makes your assumption that all men

"just can't stand to hear it?"


I think the op's video is ridiculous and there is no sensible way to understand why he is so angry. It is true that this is not an "issues" ad, but at that this stage, many candidate's put out ads to define themselves. To tell people a bit of their own back story. (One of Kerry's very best ads was one of these put out in the primaries - where a black sailor on his swiftboat spoke of him as a caring supervisor in a very difficult mission.)

Here, Clinton, who has been very very well known since 1992, is trying to remind people of her upbringing and family BEFORE she went to college, law school, and married Bill Clinton. I would say a more effective ad might have spoken of her own upbringing - rather than the horrors of her mom's childhood. From all accounts in the past and in her book when she left the WH, she had a very normal middle class upbringing in a Chicago suburb. I suspect that maybe something like that could be ad 2 - to follow this.

If so, maybe she wants to be speaking to both those fortunate enough to have what she had AND to offer a role model (her mom) who rose above the unhappiness of her own childhood to create a supportive environment for the woman who could be President.

[leftofcool]

14. We can only hope then that bernie doesn't talk about his mom.

It would just show lack of substance.

[SidDithers]

5. At least it's not Cornel West spam...nt

Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I am sure the erudite professor loves and venerates his mom as we all do ours

DSB

[sufrommich]

7. You mad,brogressive?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. brogressive does/does not equal progressive?

eom

[sufrommich]

16. Brogressive:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brogressive

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I know...

eom

[riversedge]

65. Thanks for post.

[boston bean]

11. I made it to 2:23 and turned the damned thing off.

What the hell?

This guy considers himself a political intellectual? He's not one to criticize, he said absolutely not one damned thing of political substance.

What a angry LOSER.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Please see Post 1. You made it 23 seconds longer than I did.

Oh, the widowed mom who raised me was a saint.

She has been gone for seven years and there is not a day that goes by that I don't think of her.

[cwydro]

72. I barely lasted 2 minutes.

The guy sounded hysterical and desperate to make a ridiculous point.

[closeupready]

77. Seemed like he was trying to be Cenk, but failed miserably.

Cenk would have NEVER said even HALF of what this guy is going on about. Painful to listen to him, and try as I did, I couldn't get through the whole thing.

And yes, I'm a Bernie supporter.

[Agschmid]

48. Yup.

[RiverLover]

17. "Sleazy political pandering 101"

Yep.

[moobu2]

20. I can't believe crap like this is allowed on DU now.

[UglyGreed]

25. I can't believe

that democrats over look the obvious ties to Wall Street........... and "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

[UglyGreed]

22. My mother and father had

hard lives, I'm disabled do not collect SS and had a harder life than both, maybe I should run for POTUS? I sure could use a job to pay for my healthcare costs I bet there are many others out there suffering who should also run. Like the ones who lost their homes or pensions due to Glass Steagall repeal.......

[Dr Hobbitstein]

23. Do you post anything that's DOESN'T

Have sexist undertones?

[UglyGreed]

26. Here we go

I would vote for anybody who I feel would help those who need the help the most. I don't care what sex they are. Just because I find Hillary highly dishonest and a professorial Panderer does not make me sexist. I'm not going to back off because some may think I'm sexist because I know in my heart I'm not and couldn't care less if those on a forum think I am. The people in my life know exactly what kind of person I am and that what matters to me.

[Trajan]

40. There was nothing sexist about his comments

Hell ... There are hardly any comments AT ALL ...

This political season in DU has been THE WORST ...

I know I've read your posts over the years and have found them to be thoughtful and reasonable ..

But now? ... Based in this comment alone, I feel that I can't trust anybody who would make such a detestable accusation based on the flimsiest evidence ... So flimsy, my only conclusion is that you are willing to LIE and falsely accuse someone, all to further your political support for one candidate ...

THAT is despicable ... And after many years of enjoying your otherwise decent conversation, I have to place you on ignore ... Why would I want such a liar in my world? ....Fuck that ... Sorry, but you're gone.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

51. The video is blatantly sexist, and he posted it as criticism towards Hillary.

And it isn't the first thing he's posted lately that was sexist.

[senz]

88. Have never seen ANYTHING sexist from UglyGreed.

You're just right for Hillary. Same set of ethics.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

98. The video he posted is blatantly sexist.

He also had a thread earlier lecturing women on what is and isn't sexist.

[Lisa D]

28. I'm sure voters across the land will rise up

and denounce Hillary for talking lovingly about her mother.

[Tarc]

31. I have faith that this blatant misogyny...

...of the OP is an outlier, and not indicative of Sanders supporters overall.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. We all have to be careful because so much bias is implicit and we don't realize it.

eom

[MohRokTah]

46. You have more faith than I

I lost that sort of faith weeks ago.

[rbrnmw]

35. So now she is being attacked for loving her mother

[UglyGreed]

38. No she is being

called out as using her mother's struggles as a political tool.

[rbrnmw]

42. No it was a touching ad about her mother

and she was attacked for it.

[demwing]

66. No she is being

called out as using her mother's struggles as a political tool.

Do we have to repeat this over and over?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. As a fair and unbiased observer I am compelled to give this round to you.

eom

[UglyGreed]

96. Touching in a political ad

so hence the reason for my remark. I stand by what I wrote.

[sufrommich]

39. Have you ever heard of the meme "eating those crackers

like she owns the place"? This OP and his buddy's YouTube video could be exhibit A.

[rbrnmw]

43. No but I will look it up

[DanTex]

44. LOL. A cranky dude getting angry about Hillary talking about her mother.

Pretty much summarizes why Bernie supporters are dragging down his campaign.

[MohRokTah]

47. The mansplaining in the video was too much for me to bear. eom

[NCTraveler]

45. Hillary isn't really up 41 in Iowa. She is up, but not by 41.

It isn't time to go Gowdy yet guys. This is becoming beyond offensive and through the anger I don't think you see how far your mask has slipped.

Really good ad.

[randr]

49. Not worth the time to listen

Snarky asswipe does not have a clue what this is about.

[Historic NY]

50. Thanks....Dorothy is a lot like America.

I know from my mothers experience

[MineralMan]

52. Well, posting this is informative.

Thanks for letting us know how you feel. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

[RandySF]

53. Further proof that Sandernitas are going unhinged.

[Bluenorthwest]

60. And that's where you go full McCarthy. It's really not acceptable. You are some straight person

who makes repeated OP's aimed at LGBT persons, preaching at us about your dislike of Bernie. You are the counterpart to Stockholm Man on the Bernie side, who does that same thing preaching at us about his dislike of Hillary.

Generalizations are not good. Let me tell you why. In the real world I know and have worked for one of Hillary's biggest supporters. I do not have a good opinion of the man at all. My opinion is based on experience and first hand dealings. If I thought for a moment that he defined Hillary I'd seek to have her ejected from the Party entirely. Instead she's just not my first choice. When I say 'one of her biggest' I mean a known wealthy donor whom people have strong opinions about.

So I am capable of actually knowing and not liking people who Hillary associates with publicly and still judging Hillary for herself and not for her associate. An associate with whom she poses and whose home she attends. You however are judging all Sanders supporters from random strangers on the internet who are not associates in life and who have nothing to do with Sanders.

[starroute]

54. My problem is that the ad is "I want to be your champion" yet again

Yeah, the rant in the video was crude and tasteless. But its biggest mistake is that the guy thinks Hillary's ad was content free, an attempt to exploit her mother's sufferings as an eight year old as a reason to vote for her. But it's got a more substantive message than that -- and the message is one I despise.

Hillary says over and over, "I want to be your champion."

Here she is saying it last April in announcing her presidential run:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article18338306.html

Here she is saying it to fast food workers last June:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/clinton-to-fast-food-workers-i-want-to-be-your-champion-118708

It's even on a campaign button. And though she doesn't use the complete phrase in this ad, the word "champion" is there, and it's the underlying message.

But here's the thing. I don't want a champion. I don't want somebody who will go out and fight for me as if I were a helpless eight year old who needs a sympathetic teacher to lie about having brought too much food. I don't want someone whose idea of being a champion for the poor is to press for a $12 minimum wage that is still inadequate to support a family. I don't want somebody whose idea of being a champion is to tell the bankers, "Cut it out."

I want someone who understands that I know far better than she does what I need and how to fight for it -- if only the systemic barriers that are crushing all of us were out of the way.

I might even add that the very idea of a champion is sexist. The champion is the warrior who rescues a princess who's far too delicate and intimidated to rescue herself. And having a woman put herself in the champion role and assume that every other woman needs rescuing is no less sexist than having a man do it.

[left lowrider]

59. ^^^exactly^^

good post. There is a real cultural divide between HC and BS supporters and it isn't gender or race based. . . we have entirely different criteria for the decision.

[hedda_foil]

92. Exactly. We are operating from very different criteria for choosing a president.

I happen to believe that our criteria are more rigorously defined in terms of the real challenges of our times. These problems must be addressed head on, NOW if our country and our world are to survive the hyper-capitalism that is currently devouring the world's seed stock like swarms of biblical locusts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Women can be champions

I might even add that the very idea of a champion is sexist. The champion is the warrior who rescues a princess who's far too delicate and intimidated to rescue herself. And having a woman put herself in the champion role and assume that every other woman needs rescuing is no less sexist than having a man do it.

[Cali_Democrat]

55. What is so bad about this ad?

[whatchamacallit]

56. The ad sucks, but critic dude sucks worse n/t

[bigtree]

57. an introductory ad?

...talking about her mom?

I remember many moments Hillary shared in public with her mom when she was alive. I think she has an outstanding story. Truly a courageous lady who overcame many odds and obstacles. Hillary is right to view that experience with her mom as an important part of her own legacy. Good for her!

[AZ Progressive]

61. Sanderites refuse to believe that Hillary is a human being

[taught_me_patience]

62. Clinton derangement syndrome

He sounds like a lunatic for ranting and raving about: 1) an ad 2) an ad about Clinton's mom.

[demwing]

67. Bullshit Advancement Disorder

when any criticism of Clinton is deemed a "derangement" in an effort to dismiss the criticism without addressing any issue.

[taught_me_patience]

78. If you don't think this is deranged, then what is?

The guy is ranting, raving, swearing for five minutes over an ad about someone's mom.

Bernie supporters defending this guy are not doing your candidate any favors.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. Will you have your saccharine plain or with platitutes?

[closeupready]

64. I think he's overthinking this. Personally, I was touched by this ad.

She tells us some deeply personal things that relate to family issues which, if I were her, I would never discuss publicly - yes, she wants to be president, and the ad won't make me want to vote for her, but I like the ad.

I do agree with him that I find her untrustworthy.

[kelliekat44]

68. Typical Hillary hate rant. Move on. She can't even speak about her mom. I guess

it would much better to scream!!

[closeupready]

70. Yeah, you sure got that right.

Cheers.

[m-lekktor]

79. In the context of a political campaign i find it very emotionally manipulative.

That shit doesn't work on me.

[closeupready]

69. I'm sorry, I've watched the ad now 3 times, and it brings tears to my eyes every time.

I really like this ad. Sorry.

[Zorra]

73. Mothers who lost daughters, daughters who lost mothers. In Iraq.

They are women, too. They are girls, too.

The pain of losing a child is soul crushing. And the pain a child feels at losing a parent at a young age is heartbreaking as well. I know.

Leaves me little choice but to agree with the commentator on the video about his take on sincerity.

[senz]

85. Oh but those aren't "real women," they don't count.

It's an ugly game, and I'm sick of it.

[NCTraveler]

75. Seems your greed in promoting an agenda at all costs got a little ugly with this one. nt.

[valerief]

80. It's a whole bad ad just to say she's a friend of Dorothy.

What progressive isn't?

[George II]

81. You should have pointed out that this is NOT the ad, but snippets of it with biased commentary.

[workinclasszero]

91. Bernie fans are the reason his campaign is going down in flames

Like the arrogant asshole commenting on this campaign ad, your ridiculous smugness and looking down your noses at anyone who supports another candidate is driving so many people away from whatever the hell ever Bernie is selling!

Keep it up you arrogant.....people.

This is what happens when your message is a fail. What will you all do when Bernie concedes to Hillary, then endorses her for President?

What a fun day that is going to be on this board and its coming fast and hard Bernie fans!

[brooklynite]

93. ...and by "new", you mean " 2 1/2 months old"?

[senz]

97. Thanks for a very good OP, UglyGreed

and don't let unthinking people get you down.