United we win, divided we lose

[kpete]

mho, kp

[mmonk]

1. True but us bargaining chips are worth more than we are being used for

by those that tend to bargain us away.

[NurseJackie]

2. I believe there are a great many Bernie followers who would *PREFER* a Republican to win.

Based on the outright comments and innuendo, many seem to be suggesting that the only way for things to get "better" (in their view) is to allow, or force, the country to have a Republican in the White House. They seem to think that this is the only way to guarantee this "revolution" we keep hearing about. It appears that they are of the opinion that the only way to "rebuild" and "restore" the party is to completely destroy it.

Is that what they mean with the "feelthebern" hashtag? I think the reality is that they want to "bernthehousedown" with little regard for the consequences.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Riiiiight. That just makes so much fucking sense.

Someone who supports a Democratic Socialist is going to turn around and vote Teabagger.

Talk about SKEWED LOGIC!

JeeezusEffingKrist, how do you people come up with this shit? Ridiculous. Absolutely RIDICULOUS.

[NurseJackie]

7. Does this mean we should not believe those who pledge to never vote for Hillary …

… even if she's the nominee? Are these Bernie supporters lying? Or are they just being dramatic and provocative?

Double check my original message to see that there was no suggestion that a Bernie follower would literally vote for a Republican. Instead, it concludes that, by their own words, Bernie followers would prefer a Republican over Hillary based on their repeated pledges to not vote. Skewed logic, indeed!

[stupidicus]

8. indeed, the mental gymnastics some must undergo

to successfully fall on their face.

[Nitram]

34. If that's the only way you can interpret the point, cog...

...you are not seeing the big picture. Or even the small one, for that matter.

[mmonk]

4. I think we've held up the end of our bargain quite well.

We are the people that always have to give up things and dreams for unity.

[MohRokTah]

5. Sorry, lost all respect for Sanders because of his followers weeks ago. eom

[Fawke Em]

6. That's OK. I lost Hillary because of HER votes and positions years ago.

I don't blame her fans for her actions.

[kenfrequed]

9. Says one of the people that has sworn to not vote for Sanders

I will vote for Hillary if I have to. I won't like it but like most politically active progressives I have learned to be pragmatic.

Given what you have said elsewhere you seem to prefer a scorched earth technique: Hillary or whatever republican lunatic rolls out of the clown car. Sometimes I think you do more damage to your candidate than a hundred of her detractors here.

[stupidicus]

12. well, that assumes people pay attention to them

what little I've read led me to think that they, unlike most dems, have an irrational hatred of socialism, and fears that the commie Bernie will usher it in measures unseen since never.

[MohRokTah]

37. I only went that way after literally dozens of Sanders supporters said no way would they...

support Clinton. Right here, post after post, Sanders supporters declaring there was no way they would vote for Hillary.

So why the hell should I support Sanders should by some miracle he be nominated when Sanders supporters won't reciprocate?

Why is it okay for Sanders supporters to make such declarations and not okay for Hillary supporters to reciprocate when pushed over the edge?

[workinclasszero]

30. Same here

plus the mass walkout of Bernie and his supporters at the JJ dinner, told me all I'll ever need to know about that bunch.

[CanonRay]

10. K&R

[99Forever]

11. Given the choice between Republican and Republican Lite..

...I'll vote Socialist.

And I won't apologise for doing so.

[NurseJackie]

15. Who is the Socialist candidate?

[99Forever]

16. I will not advocate for 3rd party candidates here. n.t

[NurseJackie]

17. Of course not. Not in so many words. You're much to clever for that.

But the wording of your declaration makes me wonder, where exactly DO you advocate for 3rd party candidates?

[99Forever]

23. You are more than welcome to wonder.

My only answer to you is, nunya.

[stupidicus]

13. I have to respectufully disagree

there might be more of a threat of that if we were facing an unchallenged incumbent, but even then, the likely costs associated with following a dem version of Raygun's 11th Commandment would offset whatever gains silence might offer.

Gee, how many other ways must we cats be like repugs eh?

[One of the 99]

14. I'll vote for Bernie

in the primary and hope to in the election.

But if Bernie is not the nomine, I'll vote for whomever is. Any democrat would be better than a republican president with a republican congress. We were told there was no difference between Bush and Gore in 2000 and found out that wasn't the truth.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Loyalty Oaths are sooo..1950s.

[tabasco]

22. But splitting the vote is soooo 2010s

Enjoy another dipshit like George AWOL Bush and a corrupt fascist regime for another eight years. You must be too comfortable to have it affect you. It really hurts a lot of people when utopians refuse to vote for a liberal candidate with a chance to win. But you will feel so pure and fluffy, it it won't matter if people get hurt, right?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Nonsense.

If candidates want the votes of the Left they should seek them out rather than present themselves as not as bad as Republicans. If they fail to do so, they lose the votes of the left.

I'm not a "utopian". I'm a practical, pragmatic, voter in a corrupt system that refuses to perpetuate it by basing my vote on threats, polls, or endorsements and offerings of more of the same.

[Pryderi]

33. Ridiculous comparison. Bernie polls better against Republicans than Hillary n/t

[whatchamacallit]

19. The republicans win if Hillary is nominee and

they win if she's president.

[jeff47]

20. Yes, accurately quoting Clinton or stating her record is a horrific smear

[TheKentuckian]

21. Who is "we" and what is "winning"?

Winning to me is not helping to guarantee a preferred flavor of toxic corporate conservatism and who gets to order the next military intervention of choice while doing dragnet surveillance at home.

[silenttigersong]

24. Well hmmm

When given a choice of a democrat that is closer to the republican economic issues voters will vote for the Real Republican.

[Le Taz Hot]

26. But the Democrats are already deeply divided.

The whole party unity meme rings hollow now with all but the party loyalists. DWS has DEEPLY soiled the Democratic Party name, particularly with millennials, who are just now getting into politics and this whole DNC-frontloaded-for-Hillary crap has forever soured them on the Democratic Party. You guys will be feeling the loss for, at the very least, a generation.

[Le Taz Hot]

28. Then that will be their death knell

and they've no one to blame but themselves. They will, of course, blame the DFH's (Dirty Fucking Hippies) which will only hasten their demise because they refuse to hold up a mirror.

Both sides are ignoring their constituencies. Anyone willing to crack open a history book can predict the outcome here. If denied liberty long enough the people will try to overcome the oligarchy legally. When that is blocked (by BOTH parties), then its storm the Bastille time. This story doesn't end well for the .01%.

[Maedhros]

29. For my own part, Hillary is not part of "we".

She is a political opponent, representing interests at odds with mine.

[artislife]

35. It is just another get in line

don't hurt Hillary even if the objections you have may be true, kind of post.

[Pryderi]

32. Um That should work both ways. Hillary has been smearing Bernie as sexist. n/t

[MisterP]

36. this would work if Clinton's partisans hadn't *repeatedly thrown elections and endorsed Republicans*

you're on DU: you can't just say that "if the Republicans win we'll invade Iraq, Libya, and Syria and pass hideous things like the TPP"