Why would you demean/patronize an opponent like this?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

“Look, she'd make a great vice president. We're willing to give her more credit than Obama did. We're willing to consider her for vice president. We'll give her serious consideration. We'll even interview her.”

-Jeff Weaver

It's one thing for DSB to talk trash on an anonymous internet board. It's a whole other thing to talk trash about an opponent in your own party for attribution in the press.

[HerbChestnut]

1. I have a feeling there's a lot going on behind the scenes...

...that we hear nothing about between these two campaigns. Only now are some of the tensions bubbling to the surface.

[NCTraveler]

2. "We'll even interview her" is a little condescending.

I still say this is one of the most polite primary seasons I have seen. There has been very minimal banter between the sides. O'Malley has some of the best lines in this area. When he goes at Clinton, and on rare occasion Sanders, he normally does so with excellent wit.

Still polite as could be. It's like they like each other.

[zappaman]

3. Bernie is not a Democrat.

So how is this trashing an opponent in "your own party"?

[Adrahil]

53. If he is not a Democrat....

Why is he seeking the Democratic party nomination? You can't have you cake and eat it too.

[restorefreedom]

59. i dont think i have ever seen an answer to that question. nt

[A Simple Game]

65. Never seen an answer? You should try looking a little harder, it won't take much.

I get the impression you would like Bernie to run as a third party candidate on the ballot. Then he wouldn't mess up the anointing of the inevitable one, is that right?

[restorefreedom]

67. i don't care what party he runs with

i support his policies and will vote for him.

as for the anointing, i think dws, the party elites and their minions have that covered.

[A Simple Game]

70. Sorry I should have noticed your Bernie sign in you post. n/t

[restorefreedom]

76. no worries, i did think it was an odd response though. cheers. nt

[angrychair]

86. Because he is a Democrat

You cannot be a registered Independent and run for president as a Democrat. He registered as a Democrat and went through the paperwork to be a Democratic Party candidate.

[restorefreedom]

89. well, then, its settled. nt

[leftofcool]

4. The boyz in the dirty little backroom

Trying to out sexist talk one another.

[retrowire]

7. ....

Because all of that had to do with gender?

oh my god, it's like no one understands the meaning of sexism on this fucking site.

[Android3.14]

5. Except by his votes and behavior, whereas The Tofu Queen

is anything you want her to be, at least for a little while.

Bernie walks with Democrats; Hillary walks over Democrats.

[restorefreedom]

24. this comment didn't go over well

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[JTFrog]

39. Ah yes, adding so much to the discussion of issues.

"Tofu Queen".

That's deep.

[ronnykmarshall]

123. Yup.

[Android3.14]

43. The reason for the Tofu Queen label

Clinton's ability to change her stance to match whatever group she happens to be addressing at the time is like the characteristic of tofu to taste like whatever a chef cooks with it.

By itself, tofu is a joyless, bland and totally unappetizing product. It's okay as an additive in a dish, but it has to hide its true nature in order to palatable.

[restorefreedom]

56. yes, tofu does have that "soak up whatever is around it" quality

shapeshifting is shapeshifting whatever we call it.

personally i would like to see some autheticity, if she can figure out who she actually is minus the political calculation and pandering.

[Fuddnik]

94. Don't hold your breath.

[restorefreedom]

111. no, that would be quite dangerous :) nt

[Bucky]

132. You forgot the *main* reason for calling her "the Tofu Queen"

being a childish brat

[840high]

93. Good jury.

[restorefreedom]

114. i thought so, but since i was on it

i might be a bit biased

[PatrickforO]

99. That was actually pretty funny. It goes with the concept of the weather vane or the wind sock

because Tofu takes on the flavor of whatever it's cooked with. So in the neocon pan, the Tofu takes on a decidedly hawkish flavor. In the Christian group pan, the Tofu takes on a decidedly distant stance for gay rights and abortion access.

Kind of an entertaining concept, because with all the Super PAC and Wall Street money, I don't think Clinton will be able to stay out of the neolib pan.

[restorefreedom]

113. i think she has been neolib for a long time

although trying to appear progressive

and tofu rocks!

[Pathwalker]

116. I've seen and know people who piss in soybean fields.

enjoy your tofu.

[restorefreedom]

118. still better than cow poop and e coli in meat. nt

[Pathwalker]

119. They poop in it, too.

n/t

[restorefreedom]

124. STILL less fecal material than in an animal

who had its intestines cut open spewing e coli everywhere all over the meat

i'll take the tofu thanks

[Pathwalker]

127. Enjoy your faux meat.

Fake is....fake.

[restorefreedom]

128. its not supposed to be meat

its bean curd. i don't eat "fake meat" don't like it

but thanks!

[Pathwalker]

130. Then why do so many vegan dishes treat it

like meat? I hate that,especially when they try to convince me it's meat. I can't stand the texture, either. But, it's a cornucopia planet - to each their own preference.

[restorefreedom]

131. some people become vegans for ethical reasons

but they miss the taste and texture of meat. So they try to take plant-based foods and make them more meat like. I have the good fortune of being repulsed by meat, so i like bean curd and other plant foods for what they are. not meat imitators.

although I hear that the newest generation of meat analogues are quite authentic. But I don't eat them. There's enough yummy plant food for my taste.

[Pathwalker]

135. My cardiologist ordered me to start eating beef again,

after I collapsed in cardio-rehab. Turned out I was dangerously anemic, and my hemoglobin levels had plummeted. I hadn't eaten beef in over a decade, I'm struggling to eat it, so I've begun taking iron pills, and enjoying my fish. Oh, and I love veggies too.

[restorefreedom]

136. yeesh, hope the anemia is better.

a good dietician should be able to get you ironed up without the meat if you don't want it. most drs get pathetically little (or no) training in nutrition so they go to the tried and true "eat some meat." and all the little "food charts" and pyramids and crap that they learned from were provided by....you guessed it ..big ag (also known as the usda). at least that's the way it used to be. But a lot of doctors are now realizing that the Mediterranean diet or a largely meatless diet with some fish or lean poultry is the healthiest option. It took a long time to get here though and some people are still not on board. After the other day after the study came out about processed meat being a carcinogen, The spokeswoman from the cattle beef association or something came out and said well there isnt really any scientific evidence about this. True, they only looked at 800 studies. bwahahahahaha.

good health to you though, i hope you get the iron thing straightened out.

[Chan790]

137. Jokes on them.

Virtually 100% of the non-organic soybean acreage planted and harvested in the US is used as livestock feed. If they think they're pissing on my food, they're pretty likely wrong. They're pissing on Oinker's food and Oinker's destined for their own table in the form of bacon and ham and pork chops.

[Pathwalker]

138. They do it for convenience- they're migrant workers, and

the bathroom is 20 acres away. Although one was a fox- can't speak to his agenda.

[ronnykmarshall]

121. The jury says leave it ....

I am so STUNNED!!!

[JTFrog]

28. General election season can't come any too early around here.

You won't get away with this pathetic shit for much longer.

[Android3.14]

35. If you EVER want to discuss the issues, just let me know

The only ones "getting away with this shit" are those who lack the courage to defend their primary candidate based on her record, her words, and the issues.

[JTFrog]

36. I don't discuss with you. n/t

[leftofcool]

41. +1

[Android3.14]

47. The word is "can't"

[JTFrog]

51. Stick with won't or don't.

Anything else is just you kidding yourself.

Besides...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=739085

[frylock]

50. I don't discuss.

FIFY

[JTFrog]

52. These kind of issues?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=739085

Pffffffffffff.

You guys should really try harder.

[stevenleser]

83. Jury Results to the response to this: 4-3 to hide

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[JTFrog]

104. Thank you for posting the results. n/t

[JaneyVee]

6. I can't believe Bernie campaign would let this be published.

Paints them in an awful light.

[retrowire]

8. Oh gee, I wonder what Clinton's people say behind closed doors.

I bet they get on their knees and pray that Bernie does well and he's just a swell guy and golly gee!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. That's the point....

Jeff Weaver dissed Hillary for attribution.

[retrowire]

12. forgive me but...

What?

attribution

noun at·tri·bu·tion \ˌa-trə-ˈbyü-shən\
Definition of ATTRIBUTION

1
: the act of attributing; especially : the ascribing of a work (as of literature or art) to a particular author or artist
2
: an ascribed quality, character, or right

He did it for... character? Huh?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. For attribution in the press...He knew he was being quoted...

How Use Attribution in News Stories

Attribution simply means telling your readers where the information in your story comes from, as well as who is being quoted. Generally, attribution means using a source’s full name and job title (when relevant). Information from sources can be paraphrased or quoted directly.

Keep in mind that on-the-record attribution - meaning a source's full name and job title are given - should be used whenever possible.

http://journalism.about.com/od/writing/a/attribution.htm

[retrowire]

16. Ahhh...

So? Whats wrong with a campaign manager talking smack?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Because I hold them to higher standards than I hold myself.

And it sounds like "I will let X carry my bags."

[retrowire]

22. I won't disagree with you there

It is a demeaning comment, after all she is running for President, not VP.

But again, I see it as a competitive ribbing. I'm absolutely certain both sides do it. Whether or not it's public? Well, makes no difference to me personally.

[restorefreedom]

31. so claire mccaskill redbaiting is equally condemnable

i certainly hope you agree?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I agree...

But I rather be attacked than patronized.

[restorefreedom]

37. i am glad we agree on that. and they both suck imo

i am not happy with the campaign manager (or whoever he was) taking such a snarky tone. i believe bernie is right on ths issues and has stuck to issues and not personalities. snark is not necessary to sell the truth imo.

this did not help his campaign, even though he wasn't the one who said it.

[SusanCalvin]

106. Exactly. It was a dumb comment. Doesn't help Bernie. nt

[mcar]

11. It really does Janey

Tone deaf to say the least. Condescending, patronizing and just plain odd given the polls.

[840high]

96. Truth is ok.

[rbrnmw]

9. Damn this is so wrong

We'll even interview her?

[retrowire]

15. So you got a glimpse at how campaign managers work

It's a cut throat business on all sides. As I said above...

Do you really think Hillary's or ANY CANDIDATES campaign managers for that matter, are wishing their competitors well?

No. They are all pushing pins and needles in little voodoo dolls. Big deal.

[nc4bo]

20. LMAO

Sorry but this caught me just right...

No. They are all pushing pins and needles in little voodoo dolls. Big deal.

Ain't THAT the truth!

[retrowire]

23. Happy to make your day. :) n/t

[boston bean]

38. They can say anything they want. To say it in front of a reporter

is pure foolishness, stupid, ignorant, and harmful to his campaign.

It certainly provides an insight into the bravado of that campaign.

[Comrade Grumpy]

14. How is this dissing or demeaning or trash talking?

“Look, she'd make a great vice president. We're willing to give her more credit than Obama did. We're willing to consider her for vice president. We'll give her serious consideration. We'll even interview her.”

-Jeff Weaver

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Because:

she's currently leading by nearly 30 points:

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. Well, I suppose Hillary will get over the hurt.

Probably much sooner than many of her supporters, who are oh so wounded by the nasty Sanders campaign. In fact, they're so wounded by such talk that they take time off from calling Sanders and his supporters sexists, commies, racists, etc. long enough to whine about it.

[TheKentuckian]

63. What does pole position have to do with it? They said they would consider her and give a serious m

interview which by definition assumes Sanders wins the nomination. What would be acceptably respectful, surrender? Begging for VP consideration himself?

This is the dumbest, lamest, whining nonsense ever maybe in the history of politics.

Demeaning my ass! M

There is no there there at all, the entitled just have whine about any potential nonsense they can manufacture.

[Demeter]

77. I read it as sarcasm

Of course, tone of voice would be the real tip-off.

[workinclasszero]

19. Well seeing as how Bernie isn't a democrat

and has trashed the party numerous times in the past, I guess he's just sticking to his script.

Funny how they don't talk trash against republicans though.

[karynnj]

25. You have seen the context, which you ignore

It was a joke response by a campaign manager AFTER he refused to agree with the reporter's very negative characterization -- then giving this rather left hand compliment. Not to mention, it is NOT trash to say that you think highly enough of an opponent to consider them as VP. I wonder HRC would say if asked whether she would consider Bernie.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. To me it would be like Carly Fiorina saying she would consider Bill Gates..

To me it would be like Carly Fiorina saying she would consider Bill Gates as a regional manager...

It would be like Kobe Bryant saying if he played on the Bulls when Michael Jordan did he would be coming off the bench...


It would be like Donald Trump saying he would consider Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush as his vice president.

[karynnj]

29. YOU just demeaned Bernie Sanders!

Not to mention, this was NOT Bernie Sanders saying this it was a comment by his campaign manager. It was also clearly designed to end the line of questioning --- where the reporter was working hard to get him to bash HRC.

Note that the Sanders campaign has the right to consider that they could win the nomination -- they should not have to concede it. By the way, if this were October 2007, you would be furious if Axelrod suggested they could consider HRC as VP.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I can talk smack...I am an anonymous internet poster, only responsible for my own words.

By the way, if this were October 2007, you would be furious if Axelrod suggested they could consider HRC as VP.

David Axelrod would never have demeaned Hillary Clinton for attribution in the first place. I just finished "Believer" and he spoke very highly of her...He wouldn't have dismissed her with a "you can carry my bags" like comment.


That's the point...


It reminds me of when Chuck Wepner bought his wife a negligee before his fight with Muhammad Ali and said" you will be sleeping with the champ tonight" and she said "Will I be sleeping with Muhammad Ali ? "

[karynnj]

33. IT DOES NOT DEMEAN ANYONE to say you would consider them as a VP

You think so ONLY because you believe HRC will be the Presidential nominee. However, in that instance, Sanders would not be looking for VPs. Therefore the assumption behind the comment is that he is speaking of if Bernie gets the nomination.

In that case, getting the VP is a possibility.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. It's preposterous

“Look, she'd make a great vice president. We're willing to give her more credit than Obama did. We're willing to consider her for vice president. We'll give her serious consideration. We'll even interview her.”

-Jeff Weaver

If you don't believe that is an incredibly patronizing statement there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Hillary Clinton is not running to be anybody's number two.

[karynnj]

134. Nor was she in 2008, but she would have taken the VP slot -- and took SoS nt

I've seen Hillary people post that Biden could be her VP.

[leftofcool]

44. Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Demeaning Hillary was their whole point. But, that is okay because bernie will never get near the Oval Office.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Thank you...

Tell Mr. Weaver he's not worthy to carry Hillary Clinton's bags.

[passiveporcupine]

115. Don't worry

He wouldn't even want to carry her baggage.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. He does look too enervated to

[passiveporcupine]

125. Are you kidding?

She has so much baggage it would take Goliath to carry it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

126. That's because her baggage is full of all the scalps her and her husband have collected.

[Vattel]

112. You can't possibly mean this. You want a Sanders campaign manager to not consider

the possibility that Sanders might win? This may be the silliest complaint I have ever seen. I wouldn't want Sanders to consider Clinton for VP, but you shouldn't have any objection to that should Bernie win the nomination.

[snagglepuss]

27. Bwahaha. Instead of clutching at pearls become acquainted with

persiflage.

Hint: it's antonym is seriousness

[Demeter]

78. Or clutching at straws

[MohRokTah]

32. And Sanders supporters wonder why I've gone total snarkfest on the guy. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I rather be called an asshole than be condescended to.

Patronizing somebody is the ultimate form of disrespect.

[MohRokTah]

46. If you took everybody around Sanders away,...

I think he'd probably be a pretty decent enough guy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. I saw him on CNN... He seemed to eschew the negative stuff...

His handlers are trying to lead him astray.

[Rose Siding]

64. Yeah but if he can't handle them...

how can he handle the country? It will be interesting to see if he caves to his entrenched establishment campaign handlers after all the talk about doing things differently.

[leftofcool]

45. +1

[JoePhilly]

48. A guy who will be looking for a job soon said what???

[frylock]

49. "I'm a progressive that gets things done."

Y'all can dish it.

[SecularMotion]

55. Bernie should can Weaver for that remark before he does further damage.

It would be a good excuse to get rid of him and show good leadership on Bernie's part. The guy is obviously incompetent as campaign manager. Just look at Bernie's poll numbers.

[Duppers]

72. It was a joking response to a lame remark by the interviewer.

See the post above.

[SecularMotion]

81. That's not an excuse

Whether he was joking or remarked with the knowledge it would be published, it displays poor judgment on Weaver's part.

[SusanCalvin]

107. Really. Has he ever heard of being quoted out of context? nt

[awoke_in_2003]

57. Secretary of State

does a hell of a lot more than a VP. VPs are there "just in case"

[TheKentuckian]

60. Due consideration for Vice President is demeaning how exactly?

Talking about thin skinned!

[jalan48]

62. I was wondering the same thing. Odd that it would be considered a put down unless,

you had already been ordained as the candidate for President.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. It would be like Zora Folley circa 1967 offering Muhammad Ali a job as a sparring partner...

It would be like Shaquille O'Neal saying if he played on the Lakers when Wilt was there Wilt would be coming off the bench.

It would be like Tony Romo saying if he played on the Cowboys when Troy Aikman was there Troy would be warming the pine.

It would be like Barry Bonds saying if he played on the Giants when Willie Mays was there Willie would be batting 8th...

That Weaver clown isn't fit to carry Hillary's bags and Team Clinton is going to rip him a new, errrrr, face for his insolence...

It's going to be a whuppin of Biblical proportions.

[jalan48]

68. LOL-I don't remember Ali being married to a famous fighter before he decided to start boxing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Hillary is a natural...She would have gone far if she married a high school custodian.

eom

[jalan48]

75. Right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. Thank you for agreeing with me./nt

[jalan48]

90. Anytime-it's all good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. Trying to do three things at one.

Post, watch the GOPU debate, and watch a basketball game.

[jalan48]

110. I can't watch the Republicans-World Series here.

[stupidicus]

74. no it's not, that's just your bs about BS

HC hasn't proven herself superior in any way, other than in locking up the thirdway voters -- which is really no talent at all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. Yes it is.

Zora Folley acquitted himself better in his 1967 Fight with Muhammad Ali than Bernie Sanders acquitted himself in his debate with Hillary Clinton...

If you were looking to Ali parallels you would have to look to his fights with Brian London, Richard Dunn, and Cleveland Williams.

That's how close the debates were to any dispassionate observer.

[stupidicus]

88. it remains meaningless garbage

and your passionate, thirdway-loving-based opinion regarding the outcome of the debate is equally meaningless in supporting your asinine non-argument.

HC has not shown herself to be a superior candidate in ONE debate along with consideration of their respective public records, and the latter, coupled to his moving her leftward, weighs heavily against your largely vacuous assertions to the contrary.

I agree with you -- HC isn't worthy of the VP slot in BHO's or Bernie's admin.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Well

it remains meaningless garbage and your passionate, thirdway-loving-based opinion regarding the outcome of the debate is equally meaningless in supporting your asinine non-argument.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but brickbats from anonymous internet posters will never harm me...

Bernie Sanders has as much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary Clinton as you would have of entering the Octagon with Paul Reubens and emerging victorious, lol

[stupidicus]

98. who asserted that they would?

and endlessly repeating yourself only validates the weakness of your non-argument.

YOur top post wasn't about Bernie's chances, it was about whether or not what his spokepeople said was objectively intended as insult of the character attacking kind. You subjectively made all that dependent on Bernie not knowing his place and acting accordingly.

If he was black or female that would almost be racist or sexist, wouldn't it?

of course it would

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. What...

If any candidate's team was choosing their running mates when they are trailing in national polls by thirty or something percent, trailing in the first caucus state by twenty percent, and trailing almost everywhere else , I would hold that candidate's team out for opprobrium and censure, regardless of his or her race, gender, or orientation.

[stupidicus]

105. sure you would

if everything was reversed you'd be praising HC for her generosity, etc.

The only sin BS is guilty of here is thinking he can win, and that's apparently just more insolence than you can tolerate.

That dear readers, is what this top post is really all about.

and my "last word"

[TheKentuckian]

133. It is exactly like none of that. That line of thinking is the perfect blend of entitlement and

delusion.

We are talking a candidate who has never won a seriously contested race. Ali my ass, that is actually insulting.

[passiveporcupine]

117. the histrionics are killing me

killing me softly with laughter.

[stupidicus]

71. what, you mean he didn't have a superpac do it?

assuming for the sake of argument your nonsense is valid.

Oh I see, her highness is too good for the VP slot, unlike that dummy Biden.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. If you think my post is nonsensical there in nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

I don't know what Obama has to do with this topic...The only way the septuagenarian senator becomes the nominee is if Hillary has a heart attack, lol

[stupidicus]

82. thanks for conceding the validity of my observations and accompanying remarks

obviously the "insult" angle is indefensible outside the confines of a dittofest for thirdwayers.

I made no mention of BHO, just his VP that you apparently think shoulda been insulted by the mere offer of consideration for the office.

Only in the minds of the thirdwayer does BS have a duty to act like he's toast already, which is exactly what your nonsense untenably rests upon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Bernie Sanders has as much chance of wresting the nomination...

Bernie Sanders has as much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary Clinton as I have of wresting the Mr. Olympia title from Phil Heath, lol

[stupidicus]

92. all of which is beside the point

and meaningless garbage other than serving as means of burying the guilt you just conceded of basing your bs a HC victory assumption.

And of course that reeks of entitlement you likely have denounced in all of its forms applied to other causes.

Gee, why not do a top post ordering Bernie to just "bow down" to your female messiah, no?

oh that's right, that's pretty much all you've accomplished here

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. Hmmmmm

Gee, why not do a top post ordering Bernie to just "bow down" to your female messiah, no?

Me thinks I struck a nerve, usually it takes me more posts.

[stupidicus]

102. thanks for another dodge and tacit concession

that your tp content is indefensible garbage

and of course you're not gonna accept such a challenge, and will continue dodging your rather deplorable pov regarding Bernie's uppityness, albeit through spokespeople.

how many times can you repost the "struck a nerve" stuff, as many times as you reposted the meaningless garbage aboout Ali?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. Hmmm

Gee, why not do a top post ordering Bernie to just "bow down" to your female messiah, no?

-stupidicus

My messiah???


Please elaborate. I am trying to get a measure of my interlocutor. Thank you in advance.

[Hulk]

84. It was Jeff Weaver....

You ever let something stupid slip out of your mouth? This wasn't Bernie Sanders saying such a stupid comment.

Jesus, is this all it takes to swing a vote with folks. Weak!

[Billsmile]

87. Think Weaver's Comments Might Be Traceable back to.....

This interview. Pretty sure she asks Bernie if he'd be willing to be her VP. I could be wrong.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/12/1392776/-BERNIE-ROLLS-HIS-EYES-at-Andrea-Mitchell-and-her-constant-Clinton-questions

[Hiraeth]

97. good lord. another thread about this. you all sure this isn't your first election?

honestly.

[SusanCalvin]

108. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I don't care if it was a joke, I don't care what the context was. STUPID.

[Bobbie Jo]

109. Ameteur hour. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

120. Is he a member of DU?

Sounds like it.

[stevenleser]

129. Vice President is a weaker job than Secretary of State with few defined duties.

You preside over the senate when you want to. BFD. You cast a tie breaking vote whenever it's 50-50, assuming you are presiding over the senate at the time. How often does a 50-50 vote happen? Not often. Biden hasn't gotten to do it yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

If the President is incapacitated or dies in office you take over. Other than that?

Compared with Secretary of State that runs foreign policy for the US? No comparison at all.

[Nonhlanhla]

139. It is condescending

I've made the same point in two other threads. Whether they said it jokingly does not really matter: it comes over as condescending and yes, sexist. Many women have had multiple experiences of being considered good, but only good enough for second place. I remember when I was in high school and participating in multiple school clubs, the chairperson was always a boy and the secretary was always a girl. No exceptions. I'm sure that has changed now, but that was my experience, and am only middle aged, so it's not exactly ancient history. Out in the real world I've seen the same type of thing. For example: I am active in a liberal Protestant church which ordains women, but the head pastor jobs in the big churches are almost always filled by men, despite the fact that about half of our clergy are female. Women get the smaller churches or assistant pastor positions. I'm fairly sure that outside of my own experiential world, many women have felt the sting of being told we are good, but only for the second place, since the first place belongs per definition to a man. It's as if people are uncomfortable with how far women have come in the last century, and feel that some kind of weird balance is restored if we can say, sure, put women in high positions, just not in the top spot.

So when I read this, it just rubbed me the wrong way. I am neither a Hillary supporter nor a Bernie supporter at this time, so I think my opinion is perhaps not biased toward any candidate. I like them both for different reasons. But Bernie's campaign saying in this offhand manner that they might consider the Democratic front runner for the second-in-command job, simply brought up a world of hurt and anger in me.

And yes, vice president is a huge honor - but that is beside the point. Hillary is not running for the second spot.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. Thank you for sharing your experience with us...

As someone who was raised by a widowed mom who didn't eat until I did I empathize with you. To me the remarks screamed privilege.

[mhatrw]

141. The quote was tongue in cheek.

You do realize that Sanders is currently a huge underdog by all accounts?