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jkbRN (850 posts)

Thom Hartmann has advice for the Hillary Clinton Campaign

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Thom Hartmann has advice for the Hillary Clinton Campaign (Original post)	jkbRN	Oct 2015	OP
I think Thom is wrong on this.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#1
Bernie has always been speaking about this in regards to the American People as a whole, just	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#2
Bernie is on the National stage and cannot afford to offend by doing things how he always did.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#4
So if some women thought it was sexist, then it was sexist? That can't be right.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#6
Possibly. Very hard for men to make that decision for us.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#8
You don't get to make that decision for US, either.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#28
It was to some. No one said all thought so. You were not included in the we.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#34
You should probably take some time and watch	jkbRN	Oct 2015	#58
I stated above that I do not care what he said before to whomever else or how he always say it.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#59
you are entitled to believe things without evidence if you choose.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#60
The evidence is what we are discussing. It exists. We are not imagining things.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#61
You believe it in spite of the evidence.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#62
Once I learned, I decided that he needs to watch how he presents himself.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#66
oh, so you agree that Clinton wrongly implied that he was being sexist.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#70
No. I am sure she also did not spend hours watching videos.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#71
Okay then you think she was just mistaken in thinking he was being sexist.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#72
No. I think she felt what she felt and addressed it accordingly.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#73
You can't have it both ways.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#74
It may not have been his intention to come off that way.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#75
Lots of sexism is unintentional. But there is no reason	Vattel	Oct 2015	#76
I think he lacks a bit of self awareness of his mannerisms when he gets into a subject that interest	bravenak	Oct 2015	#77
Sigh. You refuse to answer the question.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#78
That is because you want to put a concrete definition to something powered by perception.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#80
WE make that decision and from all over the country the consensus is, Hillary made a very big	sabrina 1	Oct 2015	#89
Emily's list agrees that it looked like sexism.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#104
Does this mean using the words shouting, yelling or screaming are fine if speaking to a man	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#11
Are you posting a hearing where one woman WAS getting shouted at by Conservatives to prove a point?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#12
You didn't view the video, Paul was questioning our foreign policy using those words, he and Hillary	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#14
This is deflecting from the actual point of what we women felt at his words.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#15
I can understand not expecting anything from Republicans but why was Hillary complimentary of one?	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#20
Studied politeness and extremely good manners. I do that too. Women have to otherwise here come the	bravenak	Oct 2015	#23
I believe in politeness and good manners but if a message of tone and speaking softly from a	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#35
That was not a presidential debate. We expect more from presidential candidates.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#37
If it's better to watch your tone or speak softly with our enemies or adversaries on the world stage	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#47
I have no idea what this means or relates to. I feel like you are yelling at me.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#50
I'm not.	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#51
Ok.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#52
Not all women. I understood completely that this was about	jwirr	Oct 2015	#26
I did not say all women. But many felt the same as I. He can prevent future drama by knowing this.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#31
Yes. Thank you.	840high	Oct 2015	#64
Not "we" women. "YOU," period.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#30
Many. You do not know most women.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#33
Neither do you.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#36
I did not say, "all we women' just we women. We. The ones who were offended. That we. Not you.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#39
Hate to tell you - neither do you.	840high	Oct 2015	#65
I know quite a few.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#67
You are mansplaining this	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#21
Not "we" women. "YOU," period.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#32
A man or woman can view anything the way they want, the same holds true for Presidential candidates.	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#53
Actually no. You can't own words. And if u cry sexism at every corner nobody is gonna wanna...	Bread and Circus	Oct 2015	#69
Mansplain again	Kalidurga	Oct 2015	#88
Maybe you don't understand,	jkbRN	Oct 2015	#54
I do understand perfectly because I reacted the same as I watched it. I laughed.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#56
The problem with your reasoning	jkbRN	Oct 2015	#3
I felt exactly what she felt and do not care who else he does it to	bravenak	Oct 2015	#5
Is there a post you can reference from the night of the debate..	frylock	Oct 2015	#13
Where did I say he was being sexist?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#16
The entire crux of this "shouting" argument is that it was sexist or mysoginistic..	frylock	Oct 2015	#19
And my point was to watch it in the future and know that men don't always notice.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#25
I'm not a man and it meant NOTHING to me.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#40
Well. Many of us others were offened. It is our right to decide what WE think.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#41
Then if you could please share the post from the night of the debate..	frylock	Oct 2015	#55
I was on suspension.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#57
This is pure distribution of talking points and hammering angle shit here.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#86
You're spot on. Many of us were here the night of the debate..	frylock	Oct 2015	#96
The real point was to undo the positive email thing	kenfrequed	Oct 2015	#98
She went negative because it's her nature.	frylock	Oct 2015	#99
It is more than that.	kenfrequed	Oct 2015	#100
As far as I can tell the outraged were so pissed it took more than a week for them to realize it.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#105
This debate with this person is not worth having	Ned_Devine	Oct 2015	#7
Amazing.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#9
Wow!	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#17
Ummm hmm. Yep. Constantly this kinda thing.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#18
No. Not consistantly.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#42
I said constantly not consistantly.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#43
My point still stands.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#45
Not really.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#49
No woman felt offended.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#24
You are not omniscient. You cannot know what other women think.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#29
Neither can you.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#44
You said 'no woman felt offended'	bravenak	Oct 2015	#46
Don't engage in this debate.	Ned_Devine	Oct 2015	#81
I know many women who came to this conclusion.	840high	Oct 2015	#68
Notice how often he blinks? I think he is winking at me through my computer screen. I can't vote	GoneFishin	Oct 2015	#10
Thom Hartmann mansplains to Hillary	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#22
OK... can I womansplain to her?	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#27
Yes. Thank you Fawke Em.	senz	Oct 2015	#84
Wow! I am not surprised you said that.	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#91
Thom Hartmann is a finer human being on every level	senz	Oct 2015	#83
Let me guess: BUY GOLD THE ECONOMY IS CRASHING	rjsquirrel	Oct 2015	#38
Meh. I'm leaving this thread.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#48
Obviously you are right, but if people are willfully blind, there is nothing you can do.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#63
Great effort, Fawke!	frylock	Oct 2015	#97
Look at the link to a video (which I provide below). He made an amateur blunder...	BlueCaliDem	Oct 2015	#102
I've also heard Bernie Sanders say	Eric J in MN	Oct 2015	#79
Thanks for this video, jkbRN. Thom's absolutely right.	senz	Oct 2015	#82
Speaking as a woman,	Blue_In_AK	Oct 2015	#85
I am a man and a Hillary supporter	anamnua	Oct 2015	#87
Sexism isn't an issue? Ok Tom.	boston bean	Oct 2015	#90
Sexism is an issue, so is fairness, equality and decent treatement of all people. When straight	Bluenorthwest	Oct 2015	#92
Is this you going back on what you said yesterday?	boston bean	Oct 2015	#93
Was Hillary LGBT when she trash talked us? Was Obama? No, but they did it anyway.	Bluenorthwest	Oct 2015	#94
Wow. I'm not your enemy but continue on.	boston bean	Oct 2015	#95
I don't trust a word out of that man's mouth.	MohRokTah	Oct 2015	#101
I could never be as enthused about	INdemo	Oct 2015	#103

Response to jkbRN (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:16 PM

bravenak (34,648 posts)

1. I think Thom is wrong on this.

It is a real issue to many women voters. If Bernie wants to be on the national stage he has to moderate his speech so as to not offend large blocks of voters. If women felt offended, then it is an issue and having a male, tell Hillary to concentrate on 'real issues' not 'fake sexism' is not his place. Men cannot tell us when we feel sexism and they do not always even notice it or notice when they are doing it, so this should have been a sign that the language he has been using 'for years' is offending democratic women voters and rather than they 'change' their thinking, he may have to change his speech.

You can send this to him or he can find this and respond.

Thom Hartmann has advice for the Hillary Clinton Campaign

1. I think Thom is wrong on this.

2. Bernie has always been speaking about this in regards to the American People as a whole, just

4. Bernie is on the National stage and cannot afford to offend by doing things how he always did.

6. So if some women thought it was sexist, then it was sexist? That can't be right.

8. Possibly. Very hard for men to make that decision for us.

28. You don't get to make that decision for US, either.

34. It was to some. No one said all thought so. You were not included in the we.

58. You should probably take some time and watch

59. I stated above that I do not care what he said before to whomever else or how he always say it.

60. you are entitled to believe things without evidence if you choose.

61. The evidence is what we are discussing. It exists. We are not imagining things.

62. You believe it in spite of the evidence.

66. Once I learned, I decided that he needs to watch how he presents himself.

70. oh, so you agree that Clinton wrongly implied that he was being sexist.

71. No. I am sure she also did not spend hours watching videos.

72. Okay then you think she was just mistaken in thinking he was being sexist.

73. No. I think she felt what she felt and addressed it accordingly.

74. You can't have it both ways.

75. It may not have been his intention to come off that way.

76. Lots of sexism is unintentional. But there is no reason

77. I think he lacks a bit of self awareness of his mannerisms when he gets into a subject that interest

78. Sigh. You refuse to answer the question.

80. That is because you want to put a concrete definition to something powered by perception.

89. WE make that decision and from all over the country the consensus is, Hillary made a very big

104. Emily's list agrees that it looked like sexism.

11. Does this mean using the words shouting, yelling or screaming are fine if speaking to a man

12. Are you posting a hearing where one woman WAS getting shouted at by Conservatives to prove a point?

14. You didn't view the video, Paul was questioning our foreign policy using those words, he and Hillary

15. This is deflecting from the actual point of what we women felt at his words.

20. I can understand not expecting anything from Republicans but why was Hillary complimentary of one?

23. Studied politeness and extremely good manners. I do that too. Women have to otherwise here come the

35. I believe in politeness and good manners but if a message of tone and speaking softly from a

37. That was not a presidential debate. We expect more from presidential candidates.

47. If it's better to watch your tone or speak softly with our enemies or adversaries on the world stage

50. I have no idea what this means or relates to. I feel like you are yelling at me.

51. I'm not.

52. Ok.

26. Not all women. I understood completely that this was about

31. I did not say all women. But many felt the same as I. He can prevent future drama by knowing this.

64. Yes. Thank you.

30. Not "we" women. "YOU," period.

33. Many. You do not know most women.

36. Neither do you.

39. I did not say, "all we women' just we women. We. The ones who were offended. That we. Not you.

65. Hate to tell you - neither do you.

67. I know quite a few.

21. You are mansplaining this

32. Not "we" women. "YOU," period.

53. A man or woman can view anything the way they want, the same holds true for Presidential candidates.

69. Actually no. You can't own words. And if u cry sexism at every corner nobody is gonna wanna...

88. Mansplain again

54. Maybe you don't understand,

56. I do understand perfectly because I reacted the same as I watched it. I laughed.

3. The problem with your reasoning

5. I felt exactly what she felt and do not care who else he does it to

13. Is there a post you can reference from the night of the debate..

16. Where did I say he was being sexist?

19. The entire crux of this "shouting" argument is that it was sexist or mysoginistic..

25. And my point was to watch it in the future and know that men don't always notice.

40. I'm not a man and it meant NOTHING to me.

41. Well. Many of us others were offened. It is our right to decide what WE think.

55. Then if you could please share the post from the night of the debate..

57. I was on suspension.

86. This is pure distribution of talking points and hammering angle shit here.

96. You're spot on. Many of us were here the night of the debate..

98. The real point was to undo the positive email thing

99. She went negative because it's her nature.

100. It is more than that.

105. As far as I can tell the outraged were so pissed it took more than a week for them to realize it.

7. This debate with this person is not worth having

9. Amazing.

17. Wow!

18. Ummm hmm. Yep. Constantly this kinda thing.

42. No. Not consistantly.

43. I said constantly not consistantly.

45. My point still stands.

49. Not really.

24. No woman felt offended.

29. You are not omniscient. You cannot know what other women think.